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:I concur with you. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 12:22, 5 November 2017 (EST)
:I concur with you. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 12:22, 5 November 2017 (EST)
:: Eh, I've gotten used to these pages like this.. we've always had those scant few exceptions to how we normally do things here and there. There's also a sense of redundancy being eliminated here; The pages, if split, will have most of the same firearms listed on each of them. All-told it just seems to boil down to either keeping it for the sake of it or splitting for the sake of it. Personally, I don't see the harm in keeping it. That said, I'm not really against splitting up should it come to that - that is indeed long been the norm after all. Eh, I guess while I'd prefer to not change it, I'm good either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:37, 5 November 2017 (EST)
:: Eh, I've gotten used to these pages like this.. we've always had those scant few exceptions to how we normally do things here and there. There's also a sense of redundancy being eliminated here; The pages, if split, will have most of the same firearms listed on each of them. Remember it was one page for the entire saga before, I think the trilogy splits were a good compromise keeping keeping it both separating pieces of media while keeping some listings/info condensed. All-told it just seems to boil down to either keeping it for the sake of it or splitting for the sake of it. Personally, I don't see the harm in keeping it. That said, I'm not really against splitting up should it come to that - that is indeed long been the norm after all. Eh, I guess while I'd prefer to not change it, I'm good either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:37, 5 November 2017 (EST)
I'm not sure I understand why the different trilogies are all grouped as one page for multiple movies. I think we used to do this back in the early days of IMFDB, but it is a convention that has long since abandoned. Is there any reason we can't split all of those pages into separate movies? -MT2008 (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2016 (EST)
I concur with you. --Jcordell (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2017 (EST)
Eh, I've gotten used to these pages like this.. we've always had those scant few exceptions to how we normally do things here and there. There's also a sense of redundancy being eliminated here; The pages, if split, will have most of the same firearms listed on each of them. Remember it was one page for the entire saga before, I think the trilogy splits were a good compromise keeping keeping it both separating pieces of media while keeping some listings/info condensed. All-told it just seems to boil down to either keeping it for the sake of it or splitting for the sake of it. Personally, I don't see the harm in keeping it. That said, I'm not really against splitting up should it come to that - that is indeed long been the norm after all. Eh, I guess while I'd prefer to not change it, I'm good either way. StanTheMan (talk) 13:37, 5 November 2017 (EST)
Which movie was this? It was NOT the first one (A new hope) (1977) because I've handled those original Prop guns and they were just cheap metal tubes and NOT built on a Sterling SMG. The Stormtrooper ones yes, but the Rebels on the blockade runner had very simple crappy prop pistols made out of machined aluminum. MoviePropMaster2008 00:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
This is true, you can see during the blockade runner sequence the trigger guards on the dh-17s are really thick indicating something that was molded or thrown together cheaply.--Variableorange 05:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Star Wars guns
Star wars fans and costumers have been for years trying to find out what all the guns in the star wars saga were made of: Parts of Star Wars ([1]) is a fan-created list of most of the guns - from the main props to blink-and-you'll-miss-them ones wielded by extras.
--Variableorange 05:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Page Re-Organization Recommendation
Is there any particular reason we have all the films in this franchise all on one page? I believe it would make more sense to split them into several pages covering the individual films and have a category to serve as a central hub for them. Orca1 9904 15:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Some Star Wars films have only one real-based guns (the first episode, for example) and is a waste to make so all of them are grouped in one page. - Kenny99 16:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
That's exactly what I did, group them all in one page. Excalibur01 01:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I think this makes it look much less professional, however. --Jovantheun1337 19:17, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
Clone Blasters
Should the clone blasters really be on this page, since there was never actually a physical prop for any of them used in the films? The Wierd It 19:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Most viewers would not realize that, so it's probably best if there is a section for it, if only to point out that, unlike the rest of the gun on the page, that one doesn't actually exist.--PistolJunkie 21:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Droid blaster
Does anyone have any objection to the E-5 blaster used by the battle droids in the prequels being added?
The screen used practical props were made from castings of a an E-11 blaster replica, which itself was based on a Sterling. Granted, no guns were directly used to make this prop, but at least it is a physical prop unlike the clone rifles which are on this page.
Also, just as an unrelated bonus, here is a (hires) photo from a convention showing replicas of various Star Wars guns, where among others you can see the Episode VI Rebel rifles made from M-16 parts, and the Episode IV DH-17s notable by their thick trigger guards and generally cruder appearance. --commando552 00:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
I've seen closeups of the props like the Star Destroyer, Millenium Falcon and Death Star surface; since they were decorated with random pieces of warship, aircraft, truck and tank models, they're covered in recognisable components and some of the weapons could probably be ID'd pretty easily. Also, I've seen a writeup on the R/C version of the Jawa Sandcrawler showing it with the track guards removed; underneath is the running gear of a Tamiya 1/16 scale R/C Sherman. Evil Tim 23:20, 4 July 2011 (CDT)
Naming
Isn't it IMFDb police to list these by their REAL names, not their in-universe fictional names? I remember the mods making that point during one of the Goldeneye dust-ups. --Funkychinaman 18:15, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
You can see that the real firearm is put in parenthesis after the fictional name. Since these are modified versions, this is what it should be. --Ben41 19:24, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
Imperial officers and the DH-17 Blaster
Is there any screenshot that proves that the Imperials actually used or had the DH-17 blaster? As far as I can recall, they used E-11s most of the time.--Greed-sama (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2013 (EDT)
I know that the Imperial Navy troopers on the Death Star carry DH-17s. The guys that have the big bowl type open faced helmets. --commando552 (talk) 04:44, 17 April 2013 (EDT)
BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol reflex-sight!
Hey all! Is it just me or is the "BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol", as seen in "A New Hope", using the same type reflex sight that is shown in the 1978 movie "The Wild Geese"? If so, what is the name of that reflex sight? Dudester32 (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
It is the same sight, it is called a Singlepoint OEG (Occluded Eye Gunsight). There were versions for rifles with a truncated cone at the end (the one pictured here) that produced a narrow dot, or versions for shotguns which had a dome that produced a wide dot. I think they were also both available in red or green, with red dots having a transparent dome/cone, and green ones having a translucent one. You could not actually look through them, you placed the scope over one eye keeping both eyes open and the dot was superimposed over the image from the uncovered eye. --commando552 (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
Well in that case I will add the info to the article :). Thanks man! Dudester32 (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
Jango Fetts guns
Does anyone know if the guns Jango Fett uses are copy from any real guns? It could look like a chrome .22 without grip plates but the trigger looks kinda strange so I don't know.
It always reminds me of an AutoMag without the ribbing on the barrel. Don't know why. --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2015 (EST)
Star Wars: Dark Forces II
Unlike the majority of games, Dark Forces II had Live Action cutscenes, I believe the only Star Wars game to have them (Not counting Stock Footage used in the Battlefront games or others that ust used Stock film footage). Three firearms appear, whether mocked up or not, I dunno. The cutscenes were never of high visual quality, so they may be a bit blurry. I figured all Star Wars, including games, go here.
First up is a familiar weapon: The DH-17 Blaster Pistol that appears in the game's second cutscene. It is only seen in this scene and is never seen again in cutscenes or even in-game.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe DH-17 is first held up to Kyle Katarn's (Jason Court) head by a thug in the second cutscene. Note distinctive barrel. THe rest is fa to obscured by the blurriness and blackness to be further detailed here.Error creating thumbnail: File missingKyle turns the tables by beating the first thug and wrestling the gun away to aim at a second thug. The Singlepoint scope is there, sorta. It just appears to be a cast of sorts seeing the back end is filled in. Looking carefully you see an ammo pack on the side. Possibly ESB based then.Error creating thumbnail: File missingCutscene fades after this moment where Kyle taunts the thug. Sight front is just black. Entire gun could just be a rubber prop, or maybe just the scope. Maybe LucasArts got some real props, but maybe not the scope? Despite clear use in this cutscene the gun is never seen again. When the level begins Kyle's weapon changes to his more unique Bryar pistol.
The second weapon also comes from the second cutscene. It's carried by the three-eyed Gran thug. Meant to stand in for the E-11 apparently, as the Gran switches to one when gameplay begins, and this gun is never seen again.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingGran thug holds it on Katarn in a bar booth. Some sort of scope or rail on top. Interestingly, the actor holds the gun just as the Grans in the game do. Still a bit odd looking though. The gloves look a bit goofy and his finger seems to be too fat to even fit through the trigger guard.Error creating thumbnail: File missingGran thug sits down at bar stool in front of Kyle, lowering weapon on Kyle. The Gran is soon disarmed when Kyle flips the thug behind him over his shoulder and onto the table. Here we can see a magazine coming from the side of it. The weapon seems to be a poor mockup of the E-11. Makes sense I suppose as the Gran switches to an (even poorer digital version) E-11 in game.
And finally, Katarn's famous Bryar Blaster Pistol. It appears in several cutscenes throughout the game, and seems to be closely modeled after what appeared in the first Dark Forces. Interestingly, the in-game model differs substantially, as well as the models for it in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingAfter the previous cutscene, Kyle ditches his DH-17 for his normal Bryar (Trivia: For the novel Rebel Agent, based on the game, most of the art does depict Katarn using his Bryar. However, in the original paintings he is actually armed with a DH-17 and the Bryar must've been digitally added later. A guess is that the artist saw the cutscene with Kyle stealing the DH-17 and assumed that it became his primary weapon). The third cutscene is the first time he draws it. He fires it several times, faking recoil. He blows a droid's arm off with it, but the rest of the droid escapes.
Have a few more that show off a magazine, a hammer, and some other interesting spots. Image upload suddenly died. --Clonehunter (talk) 00:00, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
Blanks
It seems odd that Lucas would bother having the guns in A New Hope actually fire blanks if he's just going to rotoscope in a beam in post. Not only would he be able to save money on having an armorer on set and safety considerations, he could've avoided dealing with flying brass and smoke. Although having the actors react to recoil was a nice touch, it's a stark contrast to how he filmed with prequels, with minimal sets and everything on greenscreen. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:33, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
From what I understand, this was done to not only have the actors react to the weapons being fired, but to also have the animators who were going to add the lasers later on have a reference point of where the bolts should go.--Ben41 (talk) 20:17, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
And then, twenty years later, he stopped giving his actors sets to react to. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)
Missing Guns?
I think there are a few missing guns on this page, mainly from the bounty hunters in Empire. I believe Dengar has a modified MG42 and Bossk has a Schermully launcher, or am I just remembering these from production images and they never actually made it into the final cut of the film? --commando552 (talk) 06:52, 21 June 2014 (EDT)
I believe Dengar is seen with an MG34 in promo shots, while in the actual film he has an MG42. Dengar's Promo 34 is seen in the hands of the droid bounty hunter 4LOM (Or maybe it's the other way around). There's a large number of other guns strewn throughout the films. This page could really use some reorganizing. --Clonehunter (talk) 17:42, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
For that matter, isn't Greedo's gun missing?--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2015 (EST)
Luke's landspeeder gun is a Moroccan flintlock. Denix used to sell one almost exactly like it.Mzmadmike (talk) 22:20, 29 February 2016 (EST)
"Relby K23" blaster
I just uploaded two screencaps of a weapon (The "Relby K23 blaster") that I noticed missing from the article. I'm afraid I was a bit hasty uploading the caps as I learned (too late) that this weapon is not based on an actual firearm but was taken from a "nemrod" speargun. Since I can't delete the photos I figure I'd post them here just in case.
Cool, good to have everything possible I'd say. This might qualify to be on the page with the 'If it could be mistaken as a real firearm-mockup, etc' point, but if not, can definitely still go here on the discussion page I'm sure. That said, a minor technical note - 'none' should be set as the justification for all image thumbnails on talk pages. I went ahead and adjusted them accordingly here, just keep that in mind next time. StanTheMan (talk) 14:48, 19 February 2015 (EST)
Oh...Did not realise that. I just put the two screencaps beside each other just to go easy on the eyes :). But, lesson learned! Dudester32 (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2015 (EST)
Well that might be fine at the resolution you're using, but they appeared diagonally for me because I only have a 1280 res on this system, and that's the point - Keep in mind we're dealing with various screen-size/resolution configurations here, so what looks fine to you may look odd to another. Keeping no alignment bypasses that potential issue entirely. It's no big deal, though, just a heads up. ;) StanTheMan (talk) 18:49, 19 February 2015 (EST)
Finn's blaster
Is it just me, or does it look like Finn's blaster in the below promo image is based to some degree of a G36?
The parts that make me think this ar ethe shape of the magazine well and that diagonal line at the back of the handgaurd. It also looks like this might be a mirrored image as it has what looks like the ejection port (complete with sci-fi blue glow) and brass deflector on the left side. The sight on top also looks like it is based on the old Singlepoint OEG sights that were on the rebel blasters of the original trilogy, plus it has that shiny barrel which makes me think it might be intended to be a progression of the DH-17. --commando552 (talk) 13:36, 24 July 2015 (EDT)
Here's some images from the new merchandise. I think it's pretty safe to say it's based on a G36 variant. You can even see the selector switch.
Not sure why the blaster is yellow sometimes.--Quarax (talk) 14:53, 6 September 2015 (EDT)
KPOS Glock carbines in "The Force Awakens"
Apparently, in addition to slightly modified E-11 blasters, the Stormtroopers in "The Force Awakens" also get Mako KPOS Glock carbines painted white. I've seen them on 1:6 TFA Stormtrooper toys, but I can't recall if there are any movie photos to confirm it. Anyone? --Seriously Mike (talk) 10:33, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
These stormtrooper can be seen with some sort of sidearm in a holster or bracket moulded into their right thigh. They haven't been seen well in any of the trailers yet, but they can be seen in some promo images like this. Looks a little small to me but it could be a modded KPOS.--commando552 (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
A new shot of the "Nerf" version you can buy pretty much confirms it is a Glock in a customised KPOS.
Wow, great resource, thanks! Captain Phasma's blaster has two stocks on it? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:06, 19 November 2015 (EST)
No prob! I think that's actually the frontal grip --SeanWolf (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)
I thought so too, but then I realized it's the original folding stock on the Sterling. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
Finally, someone else notices that! I think that only the "grip" can fold out, and the rest of the "folding stock" is actually fused with the body. If that's the case, I wish they would have left the useless part of the stock off and gone with a more practical grip design. But maybe then it wouldn't look enough like the E-11.
Also, in this image, the cap on the end of the F-11D is upside down for some reason.--Quarax (talk) 20:29, 19 November 2015 (EST)
I was checking out a few of the guns to see if I recognize any real-world weaponry in them, which is proving to be a challenge, and this one here I think was built around a shotgun and, judging by the slide/pump area (dunno the actual name, sorry), I'm thinking a Neostead.
Looks like just a fabricated prop to me. Mr. Wolf (talk) 05:05, 20 November 2015 (EST)
Looking at the "pump", maybe built off of some sort of water gun? --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:45, 20 November 2015 (EST)
I think that like a lot of these guns there are real parts used, such as the stock which is either from a Tantal or East German AK. --commando552 (talk) 05:46, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Looks like this along with one or two other weapons are actually based off of the Bergmann Model 1896. The grip shape, trigger area and magazine housing are all very distinctive. --commando552 (talk) 11:38, 11 January 2016 (EST)
The second pistol-with-a-brick-for-a-muzzle looks like an M1911 with an extended beavertail lives in it. Evil Tim (talk) 09:40, 20 November 2015 (EST)
Was looking at it while half-asleep before, it's a Desert Eagle:
Error creating thumbnail: File missing"Trandoshan Tripler on a Shorosuub blaster:" note the Desert Eagle's long beavertail, slide release and textured grip.
A few other things we get from these images. Firstly, we can see the double stack step on Poe's blaster confirming that it is based on a P226. There are also a couple of blasters which are based more on the original Sterling than the stormtrooper rifles which look a lot like the original DH-17 rebel blasters (one of which appears to be battle damaged and has a stock, different sights and a few other slight differences). There is another version of the G36 blaster fitted with a stock, and from stuff I have seen my guess is that these are the standard Resistance blaster rifle. Lastly, I think there is actually an M1911 in one of these guns, just not that one. If you look at the one with the bone handle and long square barrel, the only exposed parts of the base gun are the trigger, trigger guard and magazine release, and the me these look like they are from a 1911 variant with a "3 hole" trigger:Error creating thumbnail: File missingHuttsplitter blaster --commando552 (talk) 05:35, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Beavertail's visible right of the circular thing, too, it's one of the upturned ones. Evil Tim (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Pretty sure I saw a Barrett M82 in the bar/cantina/merc hideout. The really huge dude with a girl on his lap has it.--Mandolin (talk) 23:46, 22 December 2015 (EST)
Mean this gun? --SeanWolf (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2015 (EST)
Yes.--Mandolin (talk) 10:40, 23 December 2015 (EST)
...And they even gave the guy a name and backstory apparently. Well, that's Star Wars for you.--Mandolin (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2015 (EST)
From what I caught, the rifle Grummgar is holding, it's a 'hunting rifle with a remote trigger interface and a sniper barrel flash suppressor' --SeanWolf (talk) 00:28, 14 January 2016 (EST)
Some of the Guavian Death Gang enforcers are wielding pistols and rifles made off a Kalashnikov AK-101/102/105. Most of the changes add a bulkier dust-cover, some cosmetics to obscure the receiver, and the removal of the barrel and gas tube. The foregrips and trunion block rear sight are unmistakable, however. The Visual Dictionary entry refers them as "sawed-off" percussive cannons.
Is it worth a new page for the Battlefront game? The in game weapons are incredibly accurate to the movie props, such as the Rebel's StG-44 based blaster.
I'd be up for this as the weapons are based 1:1 on the movie props --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 18:46, 24 December 2015 (GMT)
Sten SMG(s) in Ep 7
The character at the bottom right carries what appears to be a Sten SMG with a second Sten mounted on top of it. I'm not versed in Episode 7 lore so I dont know what (Star Wars) name this weapon has. I also cannot identify the Sten variant. Dudester32 (talk) 12:50, 16 April 2016 (EDT)
Saw that too. Unfortunately, like most of the background weapons in The Force Awakens, it doesn't have a name. We'd have to call it something like "Double Sten Blaster".--Quarax (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2016 (EDT)
I suppose we could play it cool and wait until they release one of those authorized encyclopedia books on Episode VII. Dudester32 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2016 (EDT)
The Visual Dictionary was released, but it didn't have anything on that gun.--Quarax (talk) 17:48, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
Rouge One Celebration Reel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUb_zpdyDpU
The Celebration Reel for Rogue One got released and it does show some new weapons (I didn't get around to screencapping them yet) and, I could be mistaken, but it looks like the DL-44 is back but with a removable magazine/clip now. --SeanWolf (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
If you're talking about the blaster that Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) is using, that's some AR-15-based blaster. You can see it in some of the images released a while ago.--Quarax (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
No, this one.--SeanWolf (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Here's a picture that shows it's an AR-15:
The top is completely smooth for some reason.--Quarax (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
The little furry guy that Warwick Davis plays also uses a door mounted blaster that appears to be an only slightly modified M60. --commando552 (talk) 04:33, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
There's also a Luger, an MG 34, and lots of Sterling parts. I'll probably try to update the page after the second trailer comes out.--Quarax (talk) 05:16, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
The second trailer is not being released (at least not any time soon). They said it was just for the people in the room. There was nothing substantively new in terms of guns though from what I can remember. Just to correct something I said earlier, the guy with the M60 isn't Warwich Davis. I though it was because he is wearing a similar harness. During the creature panel (which Warwick was moderating) they brought out this character, who they called the "Space Monkey", and he was significantly taller than Warwick. They actually said the name of the actor that was inside, was something like Nick Killinger but I cant remember. "Space Monkey" is not his actual name, that is just what they called him in the creature shop and none of them could remember what his real name actually was, although some leaks from a book a while ago called him Bistan I believe. --commando552 (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
Well, that sucks. Might as well update now then.--Quarax (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
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