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[[Image:Drno-poster.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DVD cover for ''Dr. No'' (1962)]] | |||
As Bond screws the suppressor into the FN, what has happened to his tie? This always seemed to be a glaring continuity error to me. | As Bond screws the suppressor into the FN, what has happened to his tie? This always seemed to be a glaring continuity error to me. | ||
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*In a two part interview in ''Starlog'' magazine, Maurice Binder said he bought .38 barrel (no mention made of the length) that he used for the gun barrel sequence (originally with stuntman and Bond double Bob Simmons). He filmed the sequence through a pinhole so both the rifling and Bob were in full focus.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 19:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC) | *In a two part interview in ''Starlog'' magazine, Maurice Binder said he bought .38 barrel (no mention made of the length) that he used for the gun barrel sequence (originally with stuntman and Bond double Bob Simmons). He filmed the sequence through a pinhole so both the rifling and Bob were in full focus.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 19:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
The barrel in the opening sequence has right hand twist rifling. S&W barrels generally have left hand twist.--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 17:34, 25 December 2013 (EST) | |||
Actually, it's Colts that have left hand twist;S&Ws have right hand twist.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:32, 23 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
The photo of Maurice Binder with what is claimed to be the actual revolver shows him holding a [[Smith & Wesson Model 27]] with a 3.5" barrel. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 11:07, 2 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:S&WRev.jpg|thumb|none|300px|S&W Model 27-2 with 3.5" barrel - .357 Magnum]] | |||
[[Image:Dr_No_Maurice_Binder.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Note the adjustable sights, ejector rod shroud and tapered barrel, indicative of a .357 N Frame.]] | |||
==middle gun== | ==middle gun== | ||
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Actually, in the film, in motion, it does clearly show the distinctive barrel of the P38. It just doesn't show right in the picture. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC) | Actually, in the film, in motion, it does clearly show the distinctive barrel of the P38. It just doesn't show right in the picture. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC) | ||
It is way too small to be a P38; I think it may actually be a Webley .32 auto.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:35, 23 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
This is very old, but the first picture is almost clearly a [[Webley & Scott Mk I]] due to the flat slide and vertical ring hammer. | |||
[[Image:20044530.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley & Scott Metropolitan Police Pistol in .32 ACP]] | |||
-[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 00:21, 2 December 2017 (EST) | |||
== Backwards magazine, Bren gun == | == Backwards magazine, Bren gun == | ||
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I agree with the pic-comment that the magazine looks backwards. Also note that when the soldier fires the weapon the flash looks more like a gas-flame: hinting its a prop-weapon. My 2 cents worth. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 12:51, 30 July 2012 (CDT) | I agree with the pic-comment that the magazine looks backwards. Also note that when the soldier fires the weapon the flash looks more like a gas-flame: hinting its a prop-weapon. My 2 cents worth. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 12:51, 30 July 2012 (CDT) | ||
:The muzzle looks odd, too, like something's been placed inside the flared part. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:54, 30 July 2012 (CDT) | :The muzzle looks odd, too, like something's been placed inside the flared part. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:54, 30 July 2012 (CDT) | ||
The other day I came across a still of the Bren taken from the side. There is an obvious thin gas pipe running along the barrel;you can also see it on high resolution in the first photo of the Bren. Frankly, I think the only | |||
fully functional firearms on set were Quarrel's Colt PPS and the blank adapted 1911 used by the Blind Mice leader,Dent, and Bond in the swamp | |||
standing in for the Walther PP. | |||
== Sten guns probably rubber props == | == Sten guns probably rubber props == | ||
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:I'm not sure the one pictured above is a rubber prop. Firstly there is a lot of detail on that gun for a rubber stunt gun, particularly on the lower receiver. Also there are some parts that appear metal such as the end cap, sights and muzzle nut, along with all of the edges on the gun (granted this could be done with silver paint, but it would flake off of rubber and wouldn't look this consistent). Lastly, maybe it is just me but I can see the groove in the receiver for the bolt handle in the above photo. You can also see the slot for locking the bolt in the rear position, it is just ahead of the front of the trigger guard. It is not as obvious as it should be though (as the bolt handle is not visible at the rear it isn't cocked, meaning that the slot should be empty and black with a silver spring as in the gun image), and due to the fact that there is no visible bolt handle I think it may be a deactivated gun with the receiver filled with a plain metal cylinder or something like that (this would also explain why the "bolt" visible through the ejection port is plain and lacks an ejector. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:52, 21 May 2013 (EDT) | :I'm not sure the one pictured above is a rubber prop. Firstly there is a lot of detail on that gun for a rubber stunt gun, particularly on the lower receiver. Also there are some parts that appear metal such as the end cap, sights and muzzle nut, along with all of the edges on the gun (granted this could be done with silver paint, but it would flake off of rubber and wouldn't look this consistent). Lastly, maybe it is just me but I can see the groove in the receiver for the bolt handle in the above photo. You can also see the slot for locking the bolt in the rear position, it is just ahead of the front of the trigger guard. It is not as obvious as it should be though (as the bolt handle is not visible at the rear it isn't cocked, meaning that the slot should be empty and black with a silver spring as in the gun image), and due to the fact that there is no visible bolt handle I think it may be a deactivated gun with the receiver filled with a plain metal cylinder or something like that (this would also explain why the "bolt" visible through the ejection port is plain and lacks an ejector. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:52, 21 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
::After re-reviewing the movieI agree. Its probably a deactivated metal weapon in at least one of the scenes. In another scene (dont have photo yet) I can see a bolt-handle, but the gun still looks unusuable. I'll go over the pics and try and figure out which ones are deactivated or not. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 05:55, 22 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
Why was this removed? We usually just add a note or sub-entry for replicas and rubber props. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2016 (EST) | |||
==Poster pistol== | |||
[[File:DrNopistol.jpg |300px|thumb|none|Dr. No poster artwork]] | |||
Is the pistol used in the poster based on an actual weapon?[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 07:22, 30 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Drnogoldfinger.jpg |300px|thumb|none|Same artwork reused for ‘’Goldfinger’’’]] | |||
:Dont know..My first guess was a Luger, but on second look it doesnt look like it. Nor is it a [[Lahti L-35]] which would have been my second guess. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 15:00, 30 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::To me it looks more like a Ruger Standard, however it is hard to tell as the picture isn't great quality and due to the way it has been cropped to make the poster, I think some of the parts of the gun have actually been chopped off. There were also a few air pistols in the 60s that looked a bit like this, so think it might also be one of them. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:45, 30 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
*Thank you very much for your help on this everyone. With that little protrusion on the back I thought it might be the Husqvarna M40 version of the Lahti L-35. The Ruger Standard looks well too, however the artwork doesn't seem to have an ejector port.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 17:46, 31 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
While I'd go with the Ruger as the main model for the drawing the artist obviously followed instructions and jazzed it up. He or she probably worked form a photo,not a real gun.They may have used a photo of Fleming's own Ruger MKI Target,which he bought in 1962 and posed for photos a la Bond--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:45, 23 May 2014 (EDT) --[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:41, 23 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Husqvarna M40.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Husqvarna M40]] | |||
[[File:Rugerstandard.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Ruger Standard]] | |||
*Thank you for that! Artist Mitchell Hooks said he got the idea of the Bond pose from the photos of Fleming with the pistol on the paperback books. Here's some info on Fleming's actual [[Ruger Mk I / Mk II / Mk III Pistol |Ruger Mk I]] | |||
http://www.icollector.com/James-Bond-Creator-Ian-Fleming-s-Ruger-MKI-Pistol_i15298228 | |||
[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 20:06, 24 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]] | |||
I should have linked to that auction as I just found it myself a few weeks ago. I've seen at least two photos of Fleming posing with the Ruger,but the only guns I saw in photos of him on the old U.S. Signet Bond paperbacks, which I read new (I'm an old coot..)were with his Colt Official Police and a S&W Centennial on the back of the OHMSS paperback. Maybe the British editions had him with the Ruger...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 20:27, 24 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Fleming&ruger.jpg]] | |||
I've never seen where the Ruger photos appeared (I'm ancient as well).[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 05:23, 25 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== "That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six" == | |||
I saw the movie on first release. That line made me think the movie prop pistol was supposed to represent the Smith&Wesson Model 52 .38Spl target automatic introduced in 1961 (it was in most of the gun rags of the day). It had a five round magazine + 1 round in the chamber for a maximum load of six. .38 Spl target ammo would be easy to suppress. --[[User:Carl N. Brown|Carl N. Brown]] ([[User talk:Carl N. Brown|talk]]) 08:12, 1 December 2017 (EST) | |||
:Isn't it just a line from the original novel where S&W 6-shot revolver was mentioned? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:20, 1 December 2017 (EST) | |||
:^^Precisely that. They wanted to keep some lines from the novels in, but unfortunately they didn't follow up with actually showing a revolver. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 00:17, 2 December 2017 (EST) | |||
== "The Americans swear by them" == | |||
It seems to me he was talking about the suppressor, not the Walther PPK. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 14:10, 2 December 2018 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:10, 2 December 2018
As Bond screws the suppressor into the FN, what has happened to his tie? This always seemed to be a glaring continuity error to me.
Can someone identify what revolver is it?
I mean the one used to film Gunbarrell sequence.
- In a two part interview in Starlog magazine, Maurice Binder said he bought .38 barrel (no mention made of the length) that he used for the gun barrel sequence (originally with stuntman and Bond double Bob Simmons). He filmed the sequence through a pinhole so both the rifling and Bob were in full focus.Foofbun 19:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The barrel in the opening sequence has right hand twist rifling. S&W barrels generally have left hand twist.--Sg688 (talk) 17:34, 25 December 2013 (EST)
Actually, it's Colts that have left hand twist;S&Ws have right hand twist.--Tecolote (talk) 00:32, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
The photo of Maurice Binder with what is claimed to be the actual revolver shows him holding a Smith & Wesson Model 27 with a 3.5" barrel. --Maxman (talk) 11:07, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
middle gun
I'm pretty sure the middle guy in the picture of the "three blind mice" is holding a Savage .32acp semi-auto. Which I knew what model, but that thing looks way too small to be a p-38.
Actually, in the film, in motion, it does clearly show the distinctive barrel of the P38. It just doesn't show right in the picture. --Jackbel 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
It is way too small to be a P38; I think it may actually be a Webley .32 auto.--Tecolote (talk) 00:35, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
This is very old, but the first picture is almost clearly a Webley & Scott Mk I due to the flat slide and vertical ring hammer.
-SeptemberJack (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2017 (EST)
Backwards magazine, Bren gun
I agree with the pic-comment that the magazine looks backwards. Also note that when the soldier fires the weapon the flash looks more like a gas-flame: hinting its a prop-weapon. My 2 cents worth. Dudster32 12:51, 30 July 2012 (CDT)
- The muzzle looks odd, too, like something's been placed inside the flared part. Evil Tim 12:54, 30 July 2012 (CDT)
The other day I came across a still of the Bren taken from the side. There is an obvious thin gas pipe running along the barrel;you can also see it on high resolution in the first photo of the Bren. Frankly, I think the only fully functional firearms on set were Quarrel's Colt PPS and the blank adapted 1911 used by the Blind Mice leader,Dent, and Bond in the swamp standing in for the Walther PP.
Sten guns probably rubber props
I've reviewed the movie again and I do believe that at least a few of the Sten guns are rubber props: There are no charging handles. In fact the bolt & handle doesnt even have a way of travelling back and forward as the gun is solid all the way around. I dont have any new pics to show it in more detail yet, but I'm 99% sure of the above. Dudester32 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2013 (EDT)
Here is a better quality photo of a prop Sten. Dudester32 (talk) 13:03, 20 May 2013 (EDT)
Well done, Dud. No doubt they also used one when the crew of the Dragon Tank hits Bond on the head when they capture him and Honey.Foofbun (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
- I'm not sure the one pictured above is a rubber prop. Firstly there is a lot of detail on that gun for a rubber stunt gun, particularly on the lower receiver. Also there are some parts that appear metal such as the end cap, sights and muzzle nut, along with all of the edges on the gun (granted this could be done with silver paint, but it would flake off of rubber and wouldn't look this consistent). Lastly, maybe it is just me but I can see the groove in the receiver for the bolt handle in the above photo. You can also see the slot for locking the bolt in the rear position, it is just ahead of the front of the trigger guard. It is not as obvious as it should be though (as the bolt handle is not visible at the rear it isn't cocked, meaning that the slot should be empty and black with a silver spring as in the gun image), and due to the fact that there is no visible bolt handle I think it may be a deactivated gun with the receiver filled with a plain metal cylinder or something like that (this would also explain why the "bolt" visible through the ejection port is plain and lacks an ejector. --commando552 (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2013 (EDT)
- After re-reviewing the movieI agree. Its probably a deactivated metal weapon in at least one of the scenes. In another scene (dont have photo yet) I can see a bolt-handle, but the gun still looks unusuable. I'll go over the pics and try and figure out which ones are deactivated or not. Dudester32 (talk) 05:55, 22 May 2013 (EDT)
Why was this removed? We usually just add a note or sub-entry for replicas and rubber props. --Maxman (talk) 12:42, 4 December 2016 (EST)
Poster pistol
Is the pistol used in the poster based on an actual weapon?Foofbun (talk) 07:22, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
- Dont know..My first guess was a Luger, but on second look it doesnt look like it. Nor is it a Lahti L-35 which would have been my second guess. Dudester32 (talk) 15:00, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
- To me it looks more like a Ruger Standard, however it is hard to tell as the picture isn't great quality and due to the way it has been cropped to make the poster, I think some of the parts of the gun have actually been chopped off. There were also a few air pistols in the 60s that looked a bit like this, so think it might also be one of them. --commando552 (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
- Thank you very much for your help on this everyone. With that little protrusion on the back I thought it might be the Husqvarna M40 version of the Lahti L-35. The Ruger Standard looks well too, however the artwork doesn't seem to have an ejector port.Foofbun (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2013 (EDT)
While I'd go with the Ruger as the main model for the drawing the artist obviously followed instructions and jazzed it up. He or she probably worked form a photo,not a real gun.They may have used a photo of Fleming's own Ruger MKI Target,which he bought in 1962 and posed for photos a la Bond--Tecolote (talk) 00:45, 23 May 2014 (EDT) --Tecolote (talk) 00:41, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thank you for that! Artist Mitchell Hooks said he got the idea of the Bond pose from the photos of Fleming with the pistol on the paperback books. Here's some info on Fleming's actual Ruger Mk I
http://www.icollector.com/James-Bond-Creator-Ian-Fleming-s-Ruger-MKI-Pistol_i15298228 Foofbun (talk) 20:06, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
I should have linked to that auction as I just found it myself a few weeks ago. I've seen at least two photos of Fleming posing with the Ruger,but the only guns I saw in photos of him on the old U.S. Signet Bond paperbacks, which I read new (I'm an old coot..)were with his Colt Official Police and a S&W Centennial on the back of the OHMSS paperback. Maybe the British editions had him with the Ruger...--Tecolote (talk) 20:27, 24 May 2014 (EDT)
I've never seen where the Ruger photos appeared (I'm ancient as well).Foofbun (talk) 05:23, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
"That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six"
I saw the movie on first release. That line made me think the movie prop pistol was supposed to represent the Smith&Wesson Model 52 .38Spl target automatic introduced in 1961 (it was in most of the gun rags of the day). It had a five round magazine + 1 round in the chamber for a maximum load of six. .38 Spl target ammo would be easy to suppress. --Carl N. Brown (talk) 08:12, 1 December 2017 (EST)
- Isn't it just a line from the original novel where S&W 6-shot revolver was mentioned? Greg-Z (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2017 (EST)
- ^^Precisely that. They wanted to keep some lines from the novels in, but unfortunately they didn't follow up with actually showing a revolver. -SeptemberJack (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2017 (EST)
"The Americans swear by them"
It seems to me he was talking about the suppressor, not the Walther PPK. --Maxman (talk) 14:10, 2 December 2018 (EST)