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=The Joker's Knives=
==Microtech Combat Troodon==
When the Joker threatens Gambol he uses a Microtech Combat Troodon out-the-front automatic knife with black plain drop point blade. In the scene when the dead Batman-impostor is brought down, originally a knife holds the joker card to the body. When it has been pulled out of the body it is a black single bladed Troodon with a serrated blade. Also one of the knifes the blue-gloved police officer finds when they're emptying his pockets when he's brought to the MCU holding cells awaiting interrogation.
[[Image:Michrotech Combat Troodon 143-10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Michrotech Combat Troodon 143-10 S/E Black Plain Edge.]]
[[Image:Tdk 0651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Joker threatens Gambol with a Microtech Combat Troodon out-the-front automatic knife.]]
[[Image:Tdk 0662.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Sticks the blade in my mouth...Let's put a smile on that face!" Joker prepares to kill Gambol.]]
[[Image:Michrotech Troodon 120-23-TACT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Michrotech Troodon 120-23-TACT S/E Serrated DLC Tactical.]]
[[Image:JokerCard0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here is the alternative take where a knife has held the joker card to the body.]]
[[Image:Batman Large knife dark knight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. First knife on the counter looks like the Microtech Troodon out-the-front automatic knife.]]
==Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600==
The Joker's main knife is a Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 out-the-front automatic knife. Originally the knife was used to hold a Joker card in place on the body of an Batman impostor found hanging outside the mayor's office.  This was replaced in the final cut with a safety pin.
[[Image:Smith&WessonExtractor1600.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 out-the-front automatic knife.]]
[[Image:Untitled7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Original footage from the scene with the Batman-impostor. The Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 is holding the joker card in place.]]
[[Image:Tdk 1122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Joker telling Rachel one of his scar-stories as he holds a knife to her face.]]
[[Image:Tdk 1794.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Could you please just give me a minute?" Gordon apprehending the Joker who's got the knife in his hand.]]
[[Image:Tdk 1800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joker after Gordon's yanked him to the ground. Knife besides him.]]
[[Image:Tdk 2286.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Why don't we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Hmm? And then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is." Joker says to the Chechen before his men take him away.]]
==AKC Concord 077==
When the Joker has been caught and brought to the MCU holding cells we see a blue-gloved police officer emptying his pockets and putting several items on a counter. One of the items that the officer finds in his coat appears to be the AKC Concord 077 out-the-front automatic knife.
[[Image:AKC Concord 077.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKC Concord 078 out-the-front automatic knife.]]
[[Image:Batman Large knife dark knight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. Second knife on the counter looks like an AKC Concord 078 out-the-front automatic knife.]]
==Michrotech Makora==
Another knife that the officer brings out is the Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife.
[[Image:Microtech Makora.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife. This one, the Microtech Troodon and one Microtech H.A.L.O is said to be used in the film according to a spokesperson at Microtech. Only the first two can be clearly seen.]]
[[Image:Batman Large knife dark knight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. The tird knife, the extended one, looks like an Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife.]]
[[Image:KnivesAndLint.png|thumb|none|600px|Here is another look at the knifes.]]
==Lancashire Vegetable Peeler==
The last item the police officer picks up is a Lancashire vegetable peeler with light orange colored twine.
[[Image:Lancashire Vegetable Peeler.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lancashire peeler with light orange twine.]]                                     
[[Image:Tdk 1820.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The surprised officer pulls out an old fashioned potato peeler out of the Jokers clothes.]]
==Rapala Fillet Knife==
On posters and on promotional photos of the Joker you can see him use a long fillet knife. This is most likely a Rapala fillet knife.
[[Image:535342_raw.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Rapala Fillet Knife.]]
[[Image:Promos022.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Joker with his knife in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:Jokerposter.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A poster featuring the Joker with a knife and a joker playing-card in his hands.]]
=Discussion=
Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. [[Special:Contributions/118.136.36.2|118.136.36.2]] 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. [[Special:Contributions/118.136.36.2|118.136.36.2]] 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


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:Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Well, our info is better, yes. And we have MoviePropMaster2008, our ultimate weapon. But I still think it'd be cool if we had some Blu Ray screenshots. I am looking at Blu Ray players myself, though I'm probably not going to be buying one immediately since my checking account is still hurting from my last gun purchase.
:::BTW, this page already has 20,000 views, due to this movie's popularity, so let's make it extra special. Gotta give people what they want. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
=Page=
Well, it's not Bluray but I still think the images look great. pngs were wierd to use instead of jpgs for the first time but the long load time is worth it for such nice pictures on this page. I hope this is good enough as making it "extra special".
Sorry the page took so long btw, I had a lot to do this week. :P - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Unbelievable! Someone removed some of my screencaps like the flashpaper Glock firing. Since it was an anonymous user, I protected the page, but I won't keep it that way forever. Just until this person decides to stop removing my pictures. (some of those images are harder to get then they appears, especially the Glock flashpaper, since frame by frame wouldn't catch it. I had to rapid-tap pause, which took about 10 mins to achieve). :(  Sorry to inconveniance people. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Yeah, doing screencaps isn't as easy as some would think. It's is hard as hell for some guns that show up for a split second and never seen again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
can anyone id the jokers knifes
I would be interested in that. I was trying to Id some of them but I can't really tell, a couple of the ones being set on the table look like kitchen knives.
:Like I did with [[The Punisher (2004)]], I could add all his knives to this discussion section. But I have too much to do right now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
== Anybody know how they got the WZ.83 Nabój 40 x 47 mm to shoot a grapple gook.  ==
It looked like a practical effect.
*Must be some kind of special effects. The Pallad D shoots only two kind of ammunition fragmentation and smoke grenades. And the 40x47 mm ammo is only produced in Poland. [[Special:Contributions/87.207.56.12|87.207.56.12]] 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Possibly a CO2 copy.-protoAuthor
*I saw one put the grappling hook into the barrel and fire it. Maybe a grenade launcher modified for the movie. - [[User:Crysis|Crysis]] 16:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:the could just used blank round to propel the grappling hook
== M16A2 ==
The M16A2 section on the page has a picture with the weapon mounted with a red dot, and the caption stating "Mounted with an Eotech". Either it's mounted with a very deformed EOTech on backwards, or it's something else. Looks most like a Trijicon Reflex (Either RX01 or RX06) attached with an RX10 gooseneck handle mount.  Difficult to be more presise, though, with that picture. Are there any better shots of rifles equipped with this sight in the movie?
== Dent's Smith & Wesson Model 64 ==
During the scene where Harvey was pointing the gun to his own head and pulls the hammer back, we see the trigger appears to be pulled back already. Is there something wrong with the trigger? You see in in the screen cap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
== M1 garands==
If they are firing live rounds into the air it i'm pretty sure would be much louder than a blank and I would assume the police officers would notice the difference between.
except they would know they are firing a specific amount of shots, and after those shots they would have live rounds, obviously
Isn't the BFA only relevant to whether the blank round cycles the action or not?  Is it possible that they could be firing blanks and then manually ejecting the round?
Gordon during the scene does seem put off by the sounds of the guns, although it could also be from the police officers shooting at the rigged window that Batman was standing in
==Blu Ray screen caps==
I would like to redo these caps with the Blu ray versions.  Anyone else already working on it?  [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]  11 Oct 2009
:I don't think anyone is. Are you going to recap the whole thing? If you are, just save over the existing caps. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I would like to redo it.  Is the reason why the page takes so long to load is because of the PNG's? [[User: Ben41|Ben41]]  11 Oct 2009
:::I didn't notice the PNG deal, i think that may have been done to get better quality pics. This is quoting MPM2008 ''"IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality."'' This existing pics are 640x480 - 290kb, yours are 1,230x720 - 88kb. While no one likes their caps being replaced, if the ones replacing it are larger and sharper that is the way it goes. Plus the file sizes being down from 290kb to 88kb, will help it a lot. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the PNG shots slow this page down.  I can't remember why GM45 chose to use that format (he typically uses JPEG), but not long after this page, we started encouraging members not to use PNG format.  If anyone wishes to replace the screencaps, feel free. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
== Smith & Wesson M76 ==
If you watched the Oscars this year, they did a bit on the sound in the Dark Knight (to use as an example) and it actually showed the sound editors firing a Micro Uzi at full auto, and that's the sound they used for the M76, not a minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
==Batman in other media==
If the live action Batman movies get a gun page, why not "Batman the Animated Series", the TV movie "Mask of the Phantasm" or the current show on Cartoon Network "Batman: The Brave and the Bold"???
:'''"No Cartoons. Anime is a work of art where the Japanese took time and effort to draw, sometimes in great detail, images of firearms despite from a country that prohibits civilian ownership of arms. Only take screencaps from sources that you know for a fact is an image of a gun. We do not accept caricatures of what is supposed to be a gun. Nor do we accept images from cartoons like the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park unless you have an image for us and anyone can ID right away as a specific gun. If you give us an image of 2 rectangles with a poorly drawn trigger and tell us it's a 1911, then it will be promptly deleted. The same rules to quality images for movies, TV, and games also apply here. Do not post low resolution of anything here or they will be deleted and replaced."''' From the rules. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Would Batman: Gotham Knight work? It's anime influenced animation just like "Animatrix".
:I have no idea. Best idea would be to ask one of the admins around here. I just quoted the above from the rules as I remember someone asking about cartoons. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 08:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::If the rules say so, then how come [[The Iron Giant]] gets to stay on this website? It's a cartoon, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
As I said, I don't know. Your best bet is to ask an Admin that '''does know''' the answer. [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] 07:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
--- I believe this rule applies to the kinds of cartoons or animations where any weapons used in them are drawn in very poor detail and cannot be positively identified. But for other cartoons and other anime/animation films/TV shows where firearms are drawn in great detail to where they can be positively identified and are already on this site, they are an exception. Animation films such as [[The Iron Giant]] and [[Atlantis: The Lost Empire]] and animes such as [[Black Lagoon]], [[Batman: Gotham Knight]], [[The Animatrix]] and [[Hellsing]] are allowed here on the site because (I am only assuming) the weapons identified in those works can be positively identified to real-world firearms, and they are not some piss-poor drawings of supposed real-world firearms like in other cartoons or animations on TV or in movies. But as [[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]] pointed out, you'll have to ask one of the administrators. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 11:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
: (6 year bump) Batman TAS actually does weapons fairly well. Better than the Iron Giant, even. There's a few oddballs such as generic M1911s and M16s, but otherwise it has plenty of well detailed firearms, too. Really, any work of animation can be considered art, not just anime. If a bar is going to be set, it may as well be The Iron Giant. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 19:33, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::It's pretty much case by case at this point. But as a huge fan of the DCAU, I don't think it qualifies. Too many generic looking Thompson lookalikes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:59, 1 January 2017 (EST)
==Eminem==
When the Batman imposter killed by the Joker is slammed against the mayors window and they've lowered him down, there's a Joker card from a deck of cards on his chest with the words "Will the real Batman please stand up" on it. GREAT! Very nicely done.
...and Eminem rip that off of "To Tell the Truth" game show.
==Penthouse Window==
When the Joker and his mooks crash the fundraiser and the Joker takes Rachel hostage he backs up to a window and points his revolver behind him and shoots and the window right behind him smashes even though his gun is pointed nowhere near the window... and would a high up penthouse window shatter completely from a single gunshot?--[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 23:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
glass that high up in the sky and windows that low to a walking floor has to be tempered glass, which combined with the pressure at that elavation it would most likely cause the glass to shatter like that...but im not mythbusters.
Plus it is also movie glass, which is much more easy to break. In real life, we'd see bullet holes and it would take more than one shot to shatter glass like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
==Fingerprint==
The shattered bullet in the wall that Batman finds and uses his CSI: Miami computer to regenerate has a fingerprint from when the shooter pushed it into the magazine (or "clip" as Alfred puts it), yet this full thumbprint would be on the casing, not on the bullet itself...Just thought I'd post it here as it's a goof. --[[User:T.H.M.Christensen|T.H.M.Christensen]] 19:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Well it's possible for someone to push a bullet down a magazine and then press down the bullet end with his thumb. I've loaded bullets before and sometimes my thumb would touch the end of the bullet, but the unlikeliness of the CSI scan is that when a bullet is fired, the heat alone would have distorted the prints and the impact on the wall and shatter itself would have also messed up the print. And testing a identical size bullet and fired from a different type of gun into maybe not the same kind of wall material would most likely yielded a different kind of impact and would shatter the bullet into a completely different spread in the wall. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
About your little "clip" quip, (no pun intended,) correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the clip technically the part of the magazine that holds the bullets, making Alfred's statement technically right, although probably unintendedly? [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 18:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nope. Clips are the things used to load magazines (Like the stripper clips of Mauser pistols, or the Bloc clips of an M1 Garand), and in that kind of magazine, no clip is used.
*The Joker may've loaded the rounds with one hand wrapped around the magazine, using the thumb of that hand to push them in, with the bullets pointed away from his palm.  The thumb would touch the bullet right where the print appears, in that case.  The entire rest is Hollywood BS, of course. -[[User:Arrkhal|Arrkhal]] 17:12, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
Let's just ignore the fact that he somehow got the Joker's finger print off a bullet the Joker never even touched... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:18, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
==Courtroom Glock==
Just added a few shots from the Propstore of London. Great clear images of the modified Glock. They have it for sale at nearly $3000! Whew.--[[User:James3|James3]] 03:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
==Locked Article==
Is this thing going to be unlocked soon?  I kinda want to point out that the Joker had his finger holding back the hammer the entire time (it may have even been under the hammer, in some shots), in the scene where he gives Dent a gun.  What a hypocrite! -[[User:Arrkhal|Arrkhal]] 17:12, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
== Skorpion Grip ==
On one of the pictures of the Skorpion, the caption notes that the thug is an amateur because he's holding the gun by the magazine. While I know that that's usually the case, where the hell else to you hold a Skorpion? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:53, 27 December 2011 (CST)
==.28 caliber==
I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as .28. Correct me if I'm wrong please--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 14:55, 26 February 2012 (CST)
:.28 is equivalent to 7mm so I guess 7x20mm nambu would qualify but that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. More likely they just made it up though.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:02, 26 February 2012 (CST)
::Given that to my knowledge no Chinese company makes a .28 caliber carbon fibre Glock clone, this is all academic for that exact reason. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)
== Unknown Shotgun? ==
When Batman is seen punching the thug, preaviously seen with a Mossberg 590 Cruiser, a diffrent gun appears. It seems to have the magazinecap of a Mossberg 590 but it lacks the mountingbar between the foregrip and the endcap wich is standard on such a gun. It looks kinda exactly like a Mossberg 590 Mariner Cruiser, a blued one? Any help?
[[Image:Thedarkknight42a1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
== Unknown Handgun? ==
One of the Chechens men is seen with an unknown handgun. Could possebly be a Stechkin APS?
[[Image:Thedarkknight16a1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Talking about the man furthest to the right.]]
[[Image:Thedarkknight17a1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The man furthest to the right.]]
[[Image:Thedarkknight19a1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Thedarkknight20a1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
==Lasers==
I've got an issue with the caption on this image:
[[Image:TDK 708.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like in most films, the rifles are shown to have lasers which reveal to the target they are under a sniper scope. In reality, lasers are very tactically unsound.]]
While it's true that for a military sniper, who's relying on concealment, a visible laser like this is unsound, I'm not sure that applies to a SWAT sniper who has as much to gain from intimidating the target into surrendering as he does by shooting them, and indeed is operating under conditions where taking the target alive is the preferred option.
Anyone got any thoughts, or is this just me being a mall ninja again? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:31, 28 July 2012 (CDT)
As both yourself and the caption point out, the SWAT snipers were trying to intimidate rather that shoot. In this case I believe the use of lasers are warranted. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 17:10, 28 July 2012 (CDT)
:I agree. I have spent the past four years as a volunteer with my local PD and when we have had SWAT come talk to us, they say that the primary mission objective for every callout is to make sure everyone can come home alive. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] ([[User talk:L.J. Gibbs|talk]]) 11:59, 13 December 2014 (EST)
== RPG back blast ==
Please add the note about RPG (Norinco Type 69). Even though the provision is made by the director for Joker to fire his RPG safely (directing the backblast through the other opening), the actual firing of the weapon is performed with people standing in the backblast zone and with the rear opening partly pointed at the inside of the truck. In the end, the scenario is plausible enough: if Joker moved a step backwards, directed his RPG rear end at the door and engaged a target he saw through the other door, the back blast wouldn't harm him or his henchmen.
== " Glock 17 (Converted to full-auto)" - Empty gun? ==
When the Joker loads his gun in the cab (at the beginning of the movie) and racks the slide it sticks...Doesn't that mean he inserted an empty magazine? Dudester32 12:03, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
That it does, Dudester32. When the slide "sticks," as you say, that means that there is no round to chamber. So Heath Ledger racked the slide of an empty gun, then released it, as if he were loading it. --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 2:29, 6 June 2013 MST
You can still lock the slide of a pistol even though there are rounds in the magazine. He could've done this to check the action and then release the slide to send a round into the chamber.--[[User:MarineCorps1|SeoulMan123]] ([[User talk:MarineCorps1|talk]]) 05:03, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
:Well true, but does he actually do it on screen? I haven't handled a Glock so I wouldn't know how to lock the slide. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 13:28, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
::Simple. Press the slide stop release up while racking the slide, just like on a 1911 or a Hi-Power. --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 15:20, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
== Glock 17 (Converted to full-auto) Screen Accurate Replica ==
Found these pictures below on this [[http://www.yourprops.com/Joker-Glock-17-with-33-replica-prop-weapons-The-Dark-Knight-2008-YP66533.html]] website and thought I should post them. They are accurate give an accurate depiction of one of the Glock 17s used, specially the second and third pictures show a slight modification on the back of the slide that match the weapon in the movie. --[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] ([[User talk:Thejoker|talk]]) 12:31, 10 October 2013 (EDT)
[[Image:The-Dark-Knight-Joker-Glock-17-with-33-rounds-mag-Accurate-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:The-Dark-Knight-Joker-Glock-17-with-33-rounds-mag-Accurate-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On this profile photo you can see the modification to the back of the slide.]]
[[Image:The-Dark-Knight-Joker-Glock-17-with-33-rounds-mag-Accurate-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can defiantly see the modification to the back of the slide.]]
[[Image:The-Dark-Knight-Joker-Glock-17-with-33-rounds-mag-Accurate-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reference photo from the movie with the details circled.]]
[[Image:The-Dark-Knight-Joker-Glock-17-with-33-rounds-mag-Accurate-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reference photo from the movie with the details circled.]]
==Edit request==
Have to ask someone since it's locked to admins only (Not that I didn't see why, yech), but unless there's a good deal of edits made, shouldn't the page have a 'spoiler' tag? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:59, 12 November 2013 (EST)
== The Pallad D fires twice without reload ==
Figured I'd enter a possible entry into the article here since the main article is locked.
The robber (in the beginning) fires the Pallad D to break the window..But he never reloads it with a propellant charge. He just presses the hook down the barrel and fires again. Perhaps it's worth mentioning in the article. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 14:08, 12 February 2014 (EST)
: I don't recall the scene right this minute but is it all done in a continuous shot? If not, then we simply didn't ''see'' him reload another charge. Not the same thing there. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:04, 12 February 2014 (EST)
::I found the scene on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OYBEquZ_j0 Youtube].  [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 09:36, 13 February 2014 (EST)
:::It certainly looks continuous. You see the weapon in the guy's hands as he breaks the window, and then he picks up the grappling hook. There's a quick cut to him inserting the grappling hook in the muzzle. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:48, 13 February 2014 (EST)
== Sawn Off 870 ==
Is it just me or would the banker have been better served with a standard 870 with an extended magazine? --[[User:Maxman|Maxman]] ([[User talk:Maxman|talk]]) 15:31, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
:For sure, however I'd assume that the Sawn off would have been chosen by the manager of a mob bank so it could fit under a desk easily, and be able to be pulled out quickly and without hitting or getting it stuck on the underside of the desk. So it's a good choice for the movie. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 21:23, 03 October 2015 (GMT)

Latest revision as of 20:22, 28 July 2023

The Joker's Knives

Microtech Combat Troodon

When the Joker threatens Gambol he uses a Microtech Combat Troodon out-the-front automatic knife with black plain drop point blade. In the scene when the dead Batman-impostor is brought down, originally a knife holds the joker card to the body. When it has been pulled out of the body it is a black single bladed Troodon with a serrated blade. Also one of the knifes the blue-gloved police officer finds when they're emptying his pockets when he's brought to the MCU holding cells awaiting interrogation.

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Michrotech Combat Troodon 143-10 S/E Black Plain Edge.
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The Joker threatens Gambol with a Microtech Combat Troodon out-the-front automatic knife.
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"Sticks the blade in my mouth...Let's put a smile on that face!" Joker prepares to kill Gambol.
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Michrotech Troodon 120-23-TACT S/E Serrated DLC Tactical.
Here is the alternative take where a knife has held the joker card to the body.
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Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. First knife on the counter looks like the Microtech Troodon out-the-front automatic knife.

Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600

The Joker's main knife is a Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 out-the-front automatic knife. Originally the knife was used to hold a Joker card in place on the body of an Batman impostor found hanging outside the mayor's office. This was replaced in the final cut with a safety pin.

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Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 out-the-front automatic knife.
Original footage from the scene with the Batman-impostor. The Smith & Wesson Extractor 1600 is holding the joker card in place.
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The Joker telling Rachel one of his scar-stories as he holds a knife to her face.
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"Could you please just give me a minute?" Gordon apprehending the Joker who's got the knife in his hand.
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Joker after Gordon's yanked him to the ground. Knife besides him.
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"Why don't we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Hmm? And then we'll see how loyal a hungry dog really is." Joker says to the Chechen before his men take him away.

AKC Concord 077

When the Joker has been caught and brought to the MCU holding cells we see a blue-gloved police officer emptying his pockets and putting several items on a counter. One of the items that the officer finds in his coat appears to be the AKC Concord 077 out-the-front automatic knife.

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AKC Concord 078 out-the-front automatic knife.
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Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. Second knife on the counter looks like an AKC Concord 078 out-the-front automatic knife.

Michrotech Makora

Another knife that the officer brings out is the Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife.

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Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife. This one, the Microtech Troodon and one Microtech H.A.L.O is said to be used in the film according to a spokesperson at Microtech. Only the first two can be clearly seen.
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Police Officer holding a kitchen knife of unknown model. The tird knife, the extended one, looks like an Microtech Makora out-the-front automatic knife.
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Here is another look at the knifes.

Lancashire Vegetable Peeler

The last item the police officer picks up is a Lancashire vegetable peeler with light orange colored twine.

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Lancashire peeler with light orange twine.
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The surprised officer pulls out an old fashioned potato peeler out of the Jokers clothes.

Rapala Fillet Knife

On posters and on promotional photos of the Joker you can see him use a long fillet knife. This is most likely a Rapala fillet knife.

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A Rapala Fillet Knife.
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The Joker with his knife in a promotional photo.
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A poster featuring the Joker with a knife and a joker playing-card in his hands.


Discussion

Do you have any information about the gun used by Harvey Dent when he shot Maroni's men? Thank you. BTW great potential website, I love it. 118.136.36.2 01:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Can I screen this when it comes out? I try to cover new releases plus I did the first one. - Gunmaster45
Yeah, sure, I don't see why not. I just have one request - do you by chance have a computer that can play Blu Ray? I keep looking at Legion's Fate's blog with all of his super-high quality Blu Ray screenshots, and I'm starting to get jealous. I think IMFDB needs the same quality images he has. I've seen some images from the Blu Ray version of this movie and they're soooooooo pretty. -MT2008 04:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll see if I can break for a Blu-ray for my computer. I doubt it will be cheap though. And don't worry about that guy, we're better :).
Guner313, are you screencapping this or are you just adding some shots? - Gunmaster45
Well, our info is better, yes. And we have MoviePropMaster2008, our ultimate weapon. But I still think it'd be cool if we had some Blu Ray screenshots. I am looking at Blu Ray players myself, though I'm probably not going to be buying one immediately since my checking account is still hurting from my last gun purchase.
BTW, this page already has 20,000 views, due to this movie's popularity, so let's make it extra special. Gotta give people what they want. -MT2008 23:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Page

Well, it's not Bluray but I still think the images look great. pngs were wierd to use instead of jpgs for the first time but the long load time is worth it for such nice pictures on this page. I hope this is good enough as making it "extra special".

Sorry the page took so long btw, I had a lot to do this week. :P - Gunmaster45

Unbelievable! Someone removed some of my screencaps like the flashpaper Glock firing. Since it was an anonymous user, I protected the page, but I won't keep it that way forever. Just until this person decides to stop removing my pictures. (some of those images are harder to get then they appears, especially the Glock flashpaper, since frame by frame wouldn't catch it. I had to rapid-tap pause, which took about 10 mins to achieve). :( Sorry to inconveniance people. - Gunmaster45
Yeah, doing screencaps isn't as easy as some would think. It's is hard as hell for some guns that show up for a split second and never seen again. Excalibur01 08:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

can anyone id the jokers knifes


I would be interested in that. I was trying to Id some of them but I can't really tell, a couple of the ones being set on the table look like kitchen knives.

Like I did with The Punisher (2004), I could add all his knives to this discussion section. But I have too much to do right now. - Gunmaster45


Anybody know how they got the WZ.83 Nabój 40 x 47 mm to shoot a grapple gook.

It looked like a practical effect.

  • Must be some kind of special effects. The Pallad D shoots only two kind of ammunition fragmentation and smoke grenades. And the 40x47 mm ammo is only produced in Poland. 87.207.56.12 15:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Possibly a CO2 copy.-protoAuthor

  • I saw one put the grappling hook into the barrel and fire it. Maybe a grenade launcher modified for the movie. - Crysis 16:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
the could just used blank round to propel the grappling hook

M16A2

The M16A2 section on the page has a picture with the weapon mounted with a red dot, and the caption stating "Mounted with an Eotech". Either it's mounted with a very deformed EOTech on backwards, or it's something else. Looks most like a Trijicon Reflex (Either RX01 or RX06) attached with an RX10 gooseneck handle mount. Difficult to be more presise, though, with that picture. Are there any better shots of rifles equipped with this sight in the movie?

Dent's Smith & Wesson Model 64

During the scene where Harvey was pointing the gun to his own head and pulls the hammer back, we see the trigger appears to be pulled back already. Is there something wrong with the trigger? You see in in the screen cap. Excalibur01 03:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

M1 garands

If they are firing live rounds into the air it i'm pretty sure would be much louder than a blank and I would assume the police officers would notice the difference between.

except they would know they are firing a specific amount of shots, and after those shots they would have live rounds, obviously

Isn't the BFA only relevant to whether the blank round cycles the action or not? Is it possible that they could be firing blanks and then manually ejecting the round?

Gordon during the scene does seem put off by the sounds of the guns, although it could also be from the police officers shooting at the rigged window that Batman was standing in

Blu Ray screen caps

I would like to redo these caps with the Blu ray versions. Anyone else already working on it? Ben41 11 Oct 2009

I don't think anyone is. Are you going to recap the whole thing? If you are, just save over the existing caps. -Predator20 22:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I would like to redo it. Is the reason why the page takes so long to load is because of the PNG's? Ben41 11 Oct 2009
I didn't notice the PNG deal, i think that may have been done to get better quality pics. This is quoting MPM2008 "IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality." This existing pics are 640x480 - 290kb, yours are 1,230x720 - 88kb. While no one likes their caps being replaced, if the ones replacing it are larger and sharper that is the way it goes. Plus the file sizes being down from 290kb to 88kb, will help it a lot. -Predator20 21:52, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the PNG shots slow this page down. I can't remember why GM45 chose to use that format (he typically uses JPEG), but not long after this page, we started encouraging members not to use PNG format. If anyone wishes to replace the screencaps, feel free. -MT2008 00:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Smith & Wesson M76

If you watched the Oscars this year, they did a bit on the sound in the Dark Knight (to use as an example) and it actually showed the sound editors firing a Micro Uzi at full auto, and that's the sound they used for the M76, not a minigun. --Funkychinaman 06:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Batman in other media

If the live action Batman movies get a gun page, why not "Batman the Animated Series", the TV movie "Mask of the Phantasm" or the current show on Cartoon Network "Batman: The Brave and the Bold"???

"No Cartoons. Anime is a work of art where the Japanese took time and effort to draw, sometimes in great detail, images of firearms despite from a country that prohibits civilian ownership of arms. Only take screencaps from sources that you know for a fact is an image of a gun. We do not accept caricatures of what is supposed to be a gun. Nor do we accept images from cartoons like the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park unless you have an image for us and anyone can ID right away as a specific gun. If you give us an image of 2 rectangles with a poorly drawn trigger and tell us it's a 1911, then it will be promptly deleted. The same rules to quality images for movies, TV, and games also apply here. Do not post low resolution of anything here or they will be deleted and replaced." From the rules. Hoot471 15:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Would Batman: Gotham Knight work? It's anime influenced animation just like "Animatrix".

I have no idea. Best idea would be to ask one of the admins around here. I just quoted the above from the rules as I remember someone asking about cartoons. Hoot471 08:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
If the rules say so, then how come The Iron Giant gets to stay on this website? It's a cartoon, too. - Kenny99 02:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

As I said, I don't know. Your best bet is to ask an Admin that does know the answer. Hoot471 07:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

--- I believe this rule applies to the kinds of cartoons or animations where any weapons used in them are drawn in very poor detail and cannot be positively identified. But for other cartoons and other anime/animation films/TV shows where firearms are drawn in great detail to where they can be positively identified and are already on this site, they are an exception. Animation films such as The Iron Giant and Atlantis: The Lost Empire and animes such as Black Lagoon, Batman: Gotham Knight, The Animatrix and Hellsing are allowed here on the site because (I am only assuming) the weapons identified in those works can be positively identified to real-world firearms, and they are not some piss-poor drawings of supposed real-world firearms like in other cartoons or animations on TV or in movies. But as Hoot471 pointed out, you'll have to ask one of the administrators. --ThatoneguyJosh 11:30, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

(6 year bump) Batman TAS actually does weapons fairly well. Better than the Iron Giant, even. There's a few oddballs such as generic M1911s and M16s, but otherwise it has plenty of well detailed firearms, too. Really, any work of animation can be considered art, not just anime. If a bar is going to be set, it may as well be The Iron Giant. --Clonehunter (talk) 19:33, 1 January 2017 (EST)
It's pretty much case by case at this point. But as a huge fan of the DCAU, I don't think it qualifies. Too many generic looking Thompson lookalikes. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:59, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Eminem

When the Batman imposter killed by the Joker is slammed against the mayors window and they've lowered him down, there's a Joker card from a deck of cards on his chest with the words "Will the real Batman please stand up" on it. GREAT! Very nicely done.

...and Eminem rip that off of "To Tell the Truth" game show.

Penthouse Window

When the Joker and his mooks crash the fundraiser and the Joker takes Rachel hostage he backs up to a window and points his revolver behind him and shoots and the window right behind him smashes even though his gun is pointed nowhere near the window... and would a high up penthouse window shatter completely from a single gunshot?--T.H.M.Christensen 23:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

glass that high up in the sky and windows that low to a walking floor has to be tempered glass, which combined with the pressure at that elavation it would most likely cause the glass to shatter like that...but im not mythbusters.

Plus it is also movie glass, which is much more easy to break. In real life, we'd see bullet holes and it would take more than one shot to shatter glass like that. Excalibur01 03:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Fingerprint

The shattered bullet in the wall that Batman finds and uses his CSI: Miami computer to regenerate has a fingerprint from when the shooter pushed it into the magazine (or "clip" as Alfred puts it), yet this full thumbprint would be on the casing, not on the bullet itself...Just thought I'd post it here as it's a goof. --T.H.M.Christensen 19:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Well it's possible for someone to push a bullet down a magazine and then press down the bullet end with his thumb. I've loaded bullets before and sometimes my thumb would touch the end of the bullet, but the unlikeliness of the CSI scan is that when a bullet is fired, the heat alone would have distorted the prints and the impact on the wall and shatter itself would have also messed up the print. And testing a identical size bullet and fired from a different type of gun into maybe not the same kind of wall material would most likely yielded a different kind of impact and would shatter the bullet into a completely different spread in the wall. Excalibur01 22:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

About your little "clip" quip, (no pun intended,) correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the clip technically the part of the magazine that holds the bullets, making Alfred's statement technically right, although probably unintendedly? That's One Angry Duck 18:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Clips are the things used to load magazines (Like the stripper clips of Mauser pistols, or the Bloc clips of an M1 Garand), and in that kind of magazine, no clip is used.
  • The Joker may've loaded the rounds with one hand wrapped around the magazine, using the thumb of that hand to push them in, with the bullets pointed away from his palm. The thumb would touch the bullet right where the print appears, in that case. The entire rest is Hollywood BS, of course. -Arrkhal 17:12, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Let's just ignore the fact that he somehow got the Joker's finger print off a bullet the Joker never even touched... Spartan198 (talk) 07:18, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

Courtroom Glock

Just added a few shots from the Propstore of London. Great clear images of the modified Glock. They have it for sale at nearly $3000! Whew.--James3 03:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Locked Article

Is this thing going to be unlocked soon? I kinda want to point out that the Joker had his finger holding back the hammer the entire time (it may have even been under the hammer, in some shots), in the scene where he gives Dent a gun. What a hypocrite! -Arrkhal 17:12, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

Skorpion Grip

On one of the pictures of the Skorpion, the caption notes that the thug is an amateur because he's holding the gun by the magazine. While I know that that's usually the case, where the hell else to you hold a Skorpion? Alex T Snow 03:53, 27 December 2011 (CST)

.28 caliber

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as .28. Correct me if I'm wrong please--Yo dawg 111 14:55, 26 February 2012 (CST)

.28 is equivalent to 7mm so I guess 7x20mm nambu would qualify but that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. More likely they just made it up though. --commando552 16:02, 26 February 2012 (CST)
Given that to my knowledge no Chinese company makes a .28 caliber carbon fibre Glock clone, this is all academic for that exact reason. The Wierd It 16:27, 26 February 2012 (CST)

Unknown Shotgun?

When Batman is seen punching the thug, preaviously seen with a Mossberg 590 Cruiser, a diffrent gun appears. It seems to have the magazinecap of a Mossberg 590 but it lacks the mountingbar between the foregrip and the endcap wich is standard on such a gun. It looks kinda exactly like a Mossberg 590 Mariner Cruiser, a blued one? Any help?

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Unknown Handgun?

One of the Chechens men is seen with an unknown handgun. Could possebly be a Stechkin APS?

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Talking about the man furthest to the right.
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The man furthest to the right.
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Lasers

I've got an issue with the caption on this image:

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Like in most films, the rifles are shown to have lasers which reveal to the target they are under a sniper scope. In reality, lasers are very tactically unsound.

While it's true that for a military sniper, who's relying on concealment, a visible laser like this is unsound, I'm not sure that applies to a SWAT sniper who has as much to gain from intimidating the target into surrendering as he does by shooting them, and indeed is operating under conditions where taking the target alive is the preferred option.

Anyone got any thoughts, or is this just me being a mall ninja again? The Wierd It 16:31, 28 July 2012 (CDT)

As both yourself and the caption point out, the SWAT snipers were trying to intimidate rather that shoot. In this case I believe the use of lasers are warranted. --Taurus96 17:10, 28 July 2012 (CDT)

I agree. I have spent the past four years as a volunteer with my local PD and when we have had SWAT come talk to us, they say that the primary mission objective for every callout is to make sure everyone can come home alive. --L.J. Gibbs (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2014 (EST)

RPG back blast

Please add the note about RPG (Norinco Type 69). Even though the provision is made by the director for Joker to fire his RPG safely (directing the backblast through the other opening), the actual firing of the weapon is performed with people standing in the backblast zone and with the rear opening partly pointed at the inside of the truck. In the end, the scenario is plausible enough: if Joker moved a step backwards, directed his RPG rear end at the door and engaged a target he saw through the other door, the back blast wouldn't harm him or his henchmen.

" Glock 17 (Converted to full-auto)" - Empty gun?

When the Joker loads his gun in the cab (at the beginning of the movie) and racks the slide it sticks...Doesn't that mean he inserted an empty magazine? Dudester32 12:03, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

That it does, Dudester32. When the slide "sticks," as you say, that means that there is no round to chamber. So Heath Ledger racked the slide of an empty gun, then released it, as if he were loading it. --Mormonpowerranger521 2:29, 6 June 2013 MST

You can still lock the slide of a pistol even though there are rounds in the magazine. He could've done this to check the action and then release the slide to send a round into the chamber.--SeoulMan123 (talk) 05:03, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

Well true, but does he actually do it on screen? I haven't handled a Glock so I wouldn't know how to lock the slide. Dudester32 (talk) 13:28, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
Simple. Press the slide stop release up while racking the slide, just like on a 1911 or a Hi-Power. --Maxman (talk) 15:20, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Glock 17 (Converted to full-auto) Screen Accurate Replica

Found these pictures below on this [[1]] website and thought I should post them. They are accurate give an accurate depiction of one of the Glock 17s used, specially the second and third pictures show a slight modification on the back of the slide that match the weapon in the movie. --Thejoker (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2013 (EDT)

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On this profile photo you can see the modification to the back of the slide.
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Here you can defiantly see the modification to the back of the slide.
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Reference photo from the movie with the details circled.
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Reference photo from the movie with the details circled.


Edit request

Have to ask someone since it's locked to admins only (Not that I didn't see why, yech), but unless there's a good deal of edits made, shouldn't the page have a 'spoiler' tag? StanTheMan (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2013 (EST)

The Pallad D fires twice without reload

Figured I'd enter a possible entry into the article here since the main article is locked. The robber (in the beginning) fires the Pallad D to break the window..But he never reloads it with a propellant charge. He just presses the hook down the barrel and fires again. Perhaps it's worth mentioning in the article. Dudester32 (talk) 14:08, 12 February 2014 (EST)

I don't recall the scene right this minute but is it all done in a continuous shot? If not, then we simply didn't see him reload another charge. Not the same thing there. StanTheMan (talk) 16:04, 12 February 2014 (EST)
I found the scene on Youtube. Dudester32 (talk) 09:36, 13 February 2014 (EST)
It certainly looks continuous. You see the weapon in the guy's hands as he breaks the window, and then he picks up the grappling hook. There's a quick cut to him inserting the grappling hook in the muzzle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:48, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Sawn Off 870

Is it just me or would the banker have been better served with a standard 870 with an extended magazine? --Maxman (talk) 15:31, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

For sure, however I'd assume that the Sawn off would have been chosen by the manager of a mob bank so it could fit under a desk easily, and be able to be pulled out quickly and without hitting or getting it stuck on the underside of the desk. So it's a good choice for the movie. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 21:23, 03 October 2015 (GMT)
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