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==Explosives== | |||
Many reports have said the movie messed up by putting Dynamite in a film taking place in 1862 since Dynamite was invented in 1867 but upon closer inspection, they are more likely black powder charges wrapped in paper and not Dynamite. | |||
[[Image:GBUExplosives.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tuco fastens a blackpowder charge to the bridge.]] | |||
== Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock. == | == Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock. == | ||
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[[Image:GBUColtArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Bounty Hunter approaches Tuco with the Colt Army, fitted with a stock.]] | [[Image:GBUColtArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Bounty Hunter approaches Tuco with the Colt Army, fitted with a stock.]] | ||
I think you're right. His left hand hand is holding his right wrist. You can see his thumb. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC) | I think you're right. His left hand hand is holding his right wrist. You can see his thumb. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Its been almost 6 months. Will someone plz change the article? | |||
[[Special:Contributions/83.253.32.171|83.253.32.171]] 19:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC) | |||
There a South Korean remake called the The Good, the Bad, the Weird. from what I have seen is fallow the original plot but is based in Manchuria china during the 1930 when Japan starts invade china. | There a South Korean remake called the The Good, the Bad, the Weird. from what I have seen is fallow the original plot but is based in Manchuria china during the 1930 when Japan starts invade china. | ||
The Good is a bounty hunter and uses a Winchester Model 1873 carbine, double-barreled side-by-side shotgun, and a unknown revolver | |||
The Bad a well dressed a bandit/hitman uses a Webley revolver | |||
The Weird is a thief that carry's two Walther P38 | |||
== Colt M1917 == | |||
Looking at the supposed Colt M1917, I don't think it is. If you look close, it doesn't appear to have a trigger guard, and the lanyard ring and grip look wrong to me. I think it might actually be an Italian Bodeo 1889. That said the picture isn't clear enough for me to judge - anyone else care to weigh in? - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | |||
:Actually, it's got to be a Bodeo. You can see the locking spring for the folding trigger. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | |||
== Gun shop Storekeepers speech == | |||
When Tuco demands to see "better" quality revolvers the storekeeper takes him over to a display case, does anyone have the exact lines spoken as the storekeeper removes the pistols and places them on top of the case?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
Storekeeper - "Here, Remington, Colt, a Root, Smith-Wesson, Colt - navy, Joslyn, another Remington, and this one..." | |||
Tuco - "That's enough." | |||
:From the DVD. [[User:Dannysaysnoo|Dannysaysnoo]] 19:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Percussion Revolver == | |||
I assume that a "cartridge revolver" is a revolver that person who isn't a gun expert (like me) would call "normal" - i.e. loaded with bullets. But what exactly is a "percussion revolver"? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 20:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== percussion revolvers == | |||
Percussion revolvers were the forerunners of cartridge revolvers. The action is the same but the difference is the method of loading. Percussion revolvers were loaded by pouring loose powder into each of the six chambers of the cylinder, a round ball was then placed in the chamber and pressed into place against the powder charge using the loading lever which is located along the bottom of the barrel. This of course was done in turn for each chamber. A "percussion cap" was then placed on each "nipple" located at the rear of the cylinder. When struck by the hammer, the percussion cap produced a spark which traveled through the nipple into the loaded chamber thus igniting the powder charge. | |||
::Wow, that sounds.. old :P. Thanks for the info! [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 15:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::Old, but quite a bit of fun to shoot. :) It also doesn't seem as complicated to do as to read. [[User:Blokhed|Blokhed]] 26 December 2010 | |||
== Angel Eye's Remington == | |||
Doesn't Angel Eye's use his Remington 1858 to kill the man and his son in the beginning?--[[User:A Shootist|A Shootist]] | |||
Yeah, i noticed that as well. I don't think he fires it again after that, though. | |||
== Movie takes place 1862 == | |||
Entry made at the IMDB: | |||
"Though no specific year or date is stated in the movie, at least part of it takes place during the New Mexico Campaign of 1862. This is confirmed when both the hotel-keeper and Tuco mentions the retreating Confederate General Sibley (the historical Henry H. Sibley) and the advancing Union Colonel Canby (another historical person, Edward Canby). This is consistent with the campaign that took place between Feb-April 1862 in New Mexico and what was then Confederate Arizona." | |||
So those Springfield 1863 rifles are anachronistic. :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 10:29, 11 December 2011 (CST) | |||
==The story of Tuco's holster== | |||
As I have problems placing on websites for information, here's an interview with Eli Wallach about how Tuco was supposed to wear his revolver- | |||
WALLACH: One of the things he [Sergio Leone] said to me - he said, I want every shot to be done like Vermeer. I want the light to come in from the side windows. And he said to me, I don't want you to have your gun in a holster. I said, where will I put it? He said, with a lanyard around your neck. I said, oh, and then it dangles between my knees, right? | |||
GROSS: (Laughing). | |||
WALLACH: He said, yeah. He said, when you want it, you twist your shoulders. And I cut, and the gun is in your hand. I said, show me. He put it around his neck. He twisted his shoulder. He missed the gun. It hit him in the groin. He said, keep it in your pocket. So that's - that's... | |||
GROSS: (Laughing) It's interesting that you became a kind of action hero when you were - what? - probably in your 50s already.(from 'Fresh Air' Remembers Actor Eli Wallach)[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 15:34, 19 January 2015 (EST) | |||
== A short musket (unidentified) == | |||
The kneeling solder on the far left is seen with a short musket. I'm no expert on muskets but it is not a full length one. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 12:57, 12 November 2015 (EST) | |||
[[File:GoodBadUglyShortMusket.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]] | |||
That is a repro of the Remington "Zouave". The originals, oddly enough, weren't ever issued,but it was one of the first Civil War long arms to be repro'do. | |||
== Spanish 10 inch mortar == | |||
Some info here: [http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2085-373/ link]. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 05:31, 6 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== The big siege cannon (dahlgren or Rodman) == | |||
Compare the movie version of the big Siege Cannon: | |||
[[Image:GBUDahlgren.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]] | |||
..with a contemporary genuine American Civil War heavy cannon [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Rodman_gun_va.jpg (Rodman 15 inch in this case]) | |||
Note how the movie version's caliber is extremly small in comparison. Is the movie gun a mockup? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 11:52, 14 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Krupp field gun == | |||
I'm 99% sure that the previously named "mountain howitzer" is in fact a Krupp field gun variant. Probably 75mm. The similarities between the movie cannon and [https://360carmuseum.com/en/museum/50/exhibit/2645 this 1878 Krupp field] piece are striking. Not identical, but still close enough to make me hazard a guess its a Krupp variant. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 05:50, 31 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:59, 11 July 2023
Explosives
Many reports have said the movie messed up by putting Dynamite in a film taking place in 1862 since Dynamite was invented in 1867 but upon closer inspection, they are more likely black powder charges wrapped in paper and not Dynamite.
Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock.
I just watched the Good, bad ugly movie. I do not believe the bounty hunter is using the "Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber fitted with stock" as shown in the photo. In the photo the bounty hounters left hand is supporting his right hands wrist which makes it look like a revolver with a stock. In the next scene you can see the same bounty hounter spin his revolver before holstering it. You can check it out yourself. I recommend the entry to be removed. 83.253.37.85 19:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I think you're right. His left hand hand is holding his right wrist. You can see his thumb. --Predator20 19:34, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- Its been almost 6 months. Will someone plz change the article?
83.253.32.171 19:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
There a South Korean remake called the The Good, the Bad, the Weird. from what I have seen is fallow the original plot but is based in Manchuria china during the 1930 when Japan starts invade china.
The Good is a bounty hunter and uses a Winchester Model 1873 carbine, double-barreled side-by-side shotgun, and a unknown revolver
The Bad a well dressed a bandit/hitman uses a Webley revolver
The Weird is a thief that carry's two Walther P38
Colt M1917
Looking at the supposed Colt M1917, I don't think it is. If you look close, it doesn't appear to have a trigger guard, and the lanyard ring and grip look wrong to me. I think it might actually be an Italian Bodeo 1889. That said the picture isn't clear enough for me to judge - anyone else care to weigh in? - Nyles
- Actually, it's got to be a Bodeo. You can see the locking spring for the folding trigger. - Nyles
Gun shop Storekeepers speech
When Tuco demands to see "better" quality revolvers the storekeeper takes him over to a display case, does anyone have the exact lines spoken as the storekeeper removes the pistols and places them on top of the case?--The Mercenary 18:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Storekeeper - "Here, Remington, Colt, a Root, Smith-Wesson, Colt - navy, Joslyn, another Remington, and this one..." Tuco - "That's enough."
- From the DVD. Dannysaysnoo 19:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Percussion Revolver
I assume that a "cartridge revolver" is a revolver that person who isn't a gun expert (like me) would call "normal" - i.e. loaded with bullets. But what exactly is a "percussion revolver"? Sentient6 20:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
percussion revolvers
Percussion revolvers were the forerunners of cartridge revolvers. The action is the same but the difference is the method of loading. Percussion revolvers were loaded by pouring loose powder into each of the six chambers of the cylinder, a round ball was then placed in the chamber and pressed into place against the powder charge using the loading lever which is located along the bottom of the barrel. This of course was done in turn for each chamber. A "percussion cap" was then placed on each "nipple" located at the rear of the cylinder. When struck by the hammer, the percussion cap produced a spark which traveled through the nipple into the loaded chamber thus igniting the powder charge.
- Wow, that sounds.. old :P. Thanks for the info! Sentient6 15:45, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- Old, but quite a bit of fun to shoot. :) It also doesn't seem as complicated to do as to read. Blokhed 26 December 2010
Angel Eye's Remington
Doesn't Angel Eye's use his Remington 1858 to kill the man and his son in the beginning?--A Shootist
Yeah, i noticed that as well. I don't think he fires it again after that, though.
Movie takes place 1862
Entry made at the IMDB: "Though no specific year or date is stated in the movie, at least part of it takes place during the New Mexico Campaign of 1862. This is confirmed when both the hotel-keeper and Tuco mentions the retreating Confederate General Sibley (the historical Henry H. Sibley) and the advancing Union Colonel Canby (another historical person, Edward Canby). This is consistent with the campaign that took place between Feb-April 1862 in New Mexico and what was then Confederate Arizona."
So those Springfield 1863 rifles are anachronistic. :) Dudster32 10:29, 11 December 2011 (CST)
The story of Tuco's holster
As I have problems placing on websites for information, here's an interview with Eli Wallach about how Tuco was supposed to wear his revolver-
WALLACH: One of the things he [Sergio Leone] said to me - he said, I want every shot to be done like Vermeer. I want the light to come in from the side windows. And he said to me, I don't want you to have your gun in a holster. I said, where will I put it? He said, with a lanyard around your neck. I said, oh, and then it dangles between my knees, right?
GROSS: (Laughing).
WALLACH: He said, yeah. He said, when you want it, you twist your shoulders. And I cut, and the gun is in your hand. I said, show me. He put it around his neck. He twisted his shoulder. He missed the gun. It hit him in the groin. He said, keep it in your pocket. So that's - that's...
GROSS: (Laughing) It's interesting that you became a kind of action hero when you were - what? - probably in your 50s already.(from 'Fresh Air' Remembers Actor Eli Wallach)Foofbun (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2015 (EST)
A short musket (unidentified)
The kneeling solder on the far left is seen with a short musket. I'm no expert on muskets but it is not a full length one. Dudester32 (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2015 (EST)
That is a repro of the Remington "Zouave". The originals, oddly enough, weren't ever issued,but it was one of the first Civil War long arms to be repro'do.
Spanish 10 inch mortar
Some info here: link. Dudester32 (talk) 05:31, 6 December 2015 (EST)
The big siege cannon (dahlgren or Rodman)
Compare the movie version of the big Siege Cannon:
..with a contemporary genuine American Civil War heavy cannon (Rodman 15 inch in this case) Note how the movie version's caliber is extremly small in comparison. Is the movie gun a mockup? Dudester32 (talk) 11:52, 14 December 2015 (EST)
Krupp field gun
I'm 99% sure that the previously named "mountain howitzer" is in fact a Krupp field gun variant. Probably 75mm. The similarities between the movie cannon and this 1878 Krupp field piece are striking. Not identical, but still close enough to make me hazard a guess its a Krupp variant. Dudester32 (talk) 05:50, 31 January 2016 (EST)