Python ... sorry Predator20 .... I am just learning how to use this site. would like to set up a page like yours ! beats Facebook !!! I do have a page (I thought) "Canecorso" .... any help would be awsome !
Thanks
It looks pretty nice! I've always loved the "reverse" two-tone SIGs (like the one in 2 Fast 2 Furious). That being said, if it says "Made in West Germany", that means it was made before 1989. Are you OK buying such an old gun that you can't inspect up-close? I'm kinda paranoid about buying guns that I can't inspect first, but if you're OK with it, then go for it. It's definitely a good-looking piece, and I think no gun collection without a SIG is ever complete (though I have an obvious bias).
Also, CCR does a great job on finishes (my 226 had its slide re-finished by them). If they did any work on the gun, it's probably in good shape, but personally, I would rather try it before I buy it. -MT2008 13:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
The checkered style gives a better grip, but you can't use the newer trigger bar springs with them (only the old ones, which have a tendency to break after extended usage). My recommendation is that when you get the gun, ditch the "pebble" grips and put on a set of Hogues (provided your hand is big enough). That's what I've got on my 226 right now. -MT2008 00:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I like the two-tone one better. I think you made the right choice. And yeah, don't get the finger groove Hogues, those are too big. The regular Hogues are also pretty thick, but they do improve the grip. In my opinion, they're superior to the factory grips. -MT2008 22:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
RE:
Blocked him. Thanks. -MT2008 23:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I would need to see either the receivers or the sight to be sure. If they're real guns, they're most likely to be Norinco Type 56s. But if they're replicas, probably Hudson model gun AK-47s. Also, hope you enjoy the SIG; post pics when you get it! -MT2008 01:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Looked at 'em closely. They have milled receivers, so my guess is that they're the Hudson AK-47 replicas. When there's multiple types of a certain weapon in a scene, you're usually looking at replicas of some sort. Like, if there's a cache of M16s, there's usually going to be some MGC replicas. Same with the AKs. -MT2008 02:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
They are NOT Hudsons. I have Hudsons. I will post a pic of a Hudson soon. Those are .22 LR clones (not the new ones, but the old ones from the 1980s). Not Armscorp but I think some other company, perhaps Armi-Jager. The handguards are indicative of the strange .22LR clones of the AK from decades ago. MoviePropMaster2008 01:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Corrected that problem. Also, hope you get the SIG soon. At least you live in a state that has sane handgun laws. NC's are just...well, retarded. Oh, and happy 4th! -MT2008 23:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Got 'em. In the future, though, can you also put the delete tag on them? I'm kinda busy this week (on the road a lot) and don't know how often I can be on the site. If you put the delete tag on, then at least another admin can get them if I'm not around.
Can't wait to see the SIG. Hope it serves you well. -MT2008 20:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Just put [[Category:Delete]] on the picture (hit "Edit" and type it in). You can still point me to it, but this way, if I'm not around, someone else might see it. This is the page listing all the stuff with the Delete tag: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Delete -MT2008 21:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Featured Article
Sure, feel free to edit the photos. bunni 02:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Pinko
Well the guy is definitely British, or some kind of influence in his language. I know they are the only countries that calls us Americans "Yanky", but the way he writes is definite up there and only UK uses the worse arse Excalibur01 16:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for heads up. I'll check my other uploads. --Ben41 00:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Re: Hunter
I've actually been considering making it a featured article; should I do it by season or the show as a whole? I'd go by season but I don't know if that'd be wise since not many people have heard of it. Then again, it may be a nice way to introduce people to the show and show off some of the various firearms used. What would you recommend? - Speakeasy804 15:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
New anonymous member
I checked ALL of the other edits and everything else seems okay. it seems like he's learning the system and how to edit on IMFDB. That one you caught is a pretty big screwup, but so far none of the other edits are vandalism. I will try to keep an eye on him, but he must just be another noob who is unsure how to do the pages correctly. MoviePropMaster2008 02:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
RE:
Thanks for that info. I'm suddenly not sure whether I should do anything, though. As far as I'm concerned, if the people who wanted me to take down the original image want to get angry at this other guy, that's his problem. -MT2008 23:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Admin
Hey, Brian, I have a question: Do you want an Administrator position? I think you're actually overdue for the promotion, and we need good people like you on the Admin team. If you want, I can email Bunni to ask him to give you the new status. -MT2008 01:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Good idea! I also asked Ben41 if he wanted it. -MT2008 01:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the vote of confidence
Thanks for putting in the good word. Guess we're going to have to learn something new. Should be fun. --Jcordell 02:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
BTW - a belated Congratulations on your promotion to Mod
Now you will have to fight the trolls/idiots/fanboys even MORE! hahahahaha(evil laugh). Congratulations!!!! MPM
Delete section
I found a bunch of pages and screenshots not deleted by anyone here: [1]. Unfortunately, I rarely see admins go there. - Kenny99 15:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Stan's wacko watch
Hey man, remember me? Maybe not. Interesting how massive one's talk page gets when they become an Admin.. Congrats on that BTW. That said, I figure I'll let you know about this (if you don;t already), and I suppose you can pass it on to MT2008 and the others. Anyway, I think there's a problem with 76.121.27.16 - He's been warned several times before to stop uploading/posting redundant gun images on pages (I just remembered MT was one of the ones who's warned him), yet he's kept on doing it. He's done a handful just earlier today that I've reverted back. I hate tattling on another guy but I have have a feeling I'm not the only one he's annoyed with this crap. The guy does seem to add to the site and all, but I just don't like him continuing to do this stuff, it's kind of irritating. So, well, there ya go. Again, I just remembered MT told about this a few months back, but it seems he didn't care to listen, so, I don't know. StanTheMan 00:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, good. Thanks, man. StanTheMan 03:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I found a vandal 75.31.96.25 - He just made one comment, but it's a rather tasteless one and should probably be hit on the head with the banhammer anyway. Another good anonymous guy edited it out already, but, thought I'd let you know. StanTheMan 16:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Another one 71.91.170.82 - he's removed content from pages, which I've reversed. I warned him on his talk page but you should probably keep an eye on him. Or just ban him, your choice I guess. StanTheMan 18:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- Got another dude who's apparently flipped his shit lately. However, the dude's made shitty comments elsewhere and I've also had to revert sections he's deleted before, too. - 173.62.63.157. StanTheMan 04:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
- Ah. Well, I guess it's nevermind then, Pred. Maybe you'll get the pleasure of the next one, heh. StanTheMan 00:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- I know you got this one already (74.63.112.138), but damn if this comment didn't give me a chuckle (can i request i be a mod? cause you know im awesome so yea. just tell me when thats done k? k...peace bro) Bah. StanTheMan 18:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, you have a real fun job, now! ;D StanTheMan 18:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Stevens 520/620 Shotgun
The Stevens 520/620 is a John Browning design. The 520 went on the market in 1904 and was discontinued in 1932. The 620 was a more streamlined version. The abrupt angle at the rear of the reciever on the Model 520 was eliminated with the 620.Other than that the 520/620 are mechanically identical. The 520/620 was manufactured in 12, 16 and 20 gauge. The 620 was discontinued in 1955. Both models were avilable in riot configuration and sport/field configuration. I saw you post on Nyles discussion page. Also I think a 520/620 page is a great idea. --Jcordell 02:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Stevens 520
As I understand it (and I'm a little fuzzy on the details myself as there's not all that much info available), the 520 was the original model with the stepped receiver, and the 520-30 was the later model with the flat receiver (pictured). Very cool shotguns, actually - they were designed by John Moses Browning and were actually the first side-ejecting hammerless guns on the market. They were made 1904-1932 and then another production run in the 40s for the US Army in trench gun configuration. - Nyles
Russian Spammer
Hahaha. Good job on the ban hammer! You seemed unsure whether or not that Spammer you blocked was really a spammer. I speak Russian and can read it only so so. But that entire blurb was a nonsensical paragraph about how to buy cars. It was definitely SPAM. Funny since our Russian user Kloga has argued that he has 'never seen any Cyrillic Spam on IMFDB' LOL! MoviePropMaster2008 15:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Front Page
I added Stargate SG-1 yesterday and was wondering: What articles qualify for the random featuring? Obviously games are out of the question. And they have to have a certain standard. But: Is a certain length (amount of firearms), or completion of details like cross linking (actor pages etc.) necessary, too? I did not find anything about this in the rules. --Milkovich 08:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Also: There seems to be something odd going on with the featured article frame. From time to time the place appears blank. --Milkovich 17:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Re: Blank feature article
If I remember correctly, it´s on the FeaturedArticle and the Main page. The thing is that the frame is empty. So I can not tell whether it is a specific movie or just a single line of coding that is messing it up.
btw.: Can only admins redirect pages or change the title of one? Driven To Kill should - according to IMDB - be Driven to Kill. No capital T. --Milkovich 17:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks
Okay. thanks for the head up. --Jcordell 23:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
TOC format
What works for me is putting "Film Title" first, putting the poster info right underneath, and then the TOC br clear=all. --Ben41 20:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Combining Grindhouse
Since the two films were released overseas and on video as separate films, I think it would be best to keep them as separate pages and put a link to the Grindhouse page. --Ben41 21:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
They're already on the page. I done that as one of my first deeds here. :) --Kloga 21:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
And how many pictures of Hobo should be scrapped? :( --Kloga 21:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
About Hobo - OK, i'll delete something. :) --Kloga 21:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Wait, wait, wait! 6 pictures of ALL the trailer is the maximum, or you mean just the Hobo's Shotgun pictures? If the first variety - it's terrible. --Kloga 22:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Done. Even 5, not six. :) By the way, I'll found that video of Werewolf Women of the SS is officail - it from Rob Zombie's channel. Can i restore the pictures from this trailer. I was trying to write about it to Ben41, but he's ignoring me. :( --Kloga 22:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Beretta 92FS
It was you who identified it in Grindhouse? Just wanted to know how did you do that (if it's you, of course). :) --Kloga 13:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. It's exciting to know such details. I do know, that many guns have their own features, but sometimes it's hard to tell what is that features and it's hard to know all, like that one with the exposed barrell in 92FS.
Also wanted to ask - is it a kind of ethics or something for this site to credit, who recognised the gun (if it's not the permanent writer of an article), like in the Miami Vixe series first season article? --Kloga 21:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Re:Total Recall/Goncz
(From above section) Have you checked out the deal with the Total Recall page? I posted a bit extra myself in the Talk page, but, oh man, I really hope it ain't that serious.
I agree, I feel we have an obligation to note the Claridge info as a resource for background on the gun itself. But, I guess that may not remain so. Well, lets just say it got be a bit perturbed. I remember what one banned member (movieman1993 or something) said that 'we wouldn't get legal problems you fools!' or something to that effect. Bah, wish he was here just so we could prove him wrong. Oh well, I guess we'll see what MPM and Bunni do. StanTheMan 18:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I think it's odd and we really don't know if the poster is really Goncz. But I' sure we'll get it worked out. --Jcordell 18:47, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
RE: Actor Page
Well, I had to take off almost right after I set up the page. But, I probably would have forgotten to search so I appreciate the help, and I'll keep that in mind next time. Thanks, man. StanTheMan 02:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Lame page makers
How much you wanna bet that all these noob IMFDB members who make pages for kids movies, either Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network, are all around the age of a 7th grader? I recently deleted a project which wasn't even a movie, it was a video taken by a 7th grade class as part of a school project. I was stunned that the page maker took the project as being one of serious merit (and their spelling and grammar sucked) so I assumed the originator was a kid. MoviePropMaster2008 17:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Boxcar Bertha
I'm fairly certain it's a Remington Model 10. Look at the reciever and the end of the barrel. --Jcordell 12:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Snagging can be overcome with practice, but why when there are so many great hammerless and concealed hammer models now days. If you plan on shooting your concealment piece frequently I would suggest one of the S&W J frames. Personally I like the 649 or 49 and there are still many lightly used S&W J frames out there that will cost you a anywhere from a couple hundred to several hundred dollars less than a new one. The 38/638 is a good gun, but the alloy frame isn't as sturdy as the all steel if you're looking at a lot of shooting. Also if you can find one of the Ruger SP101 with the 2.25" barrel with the DA hammer you have a good little revolver there. However alot of folks prefer the trigger action on the S&W revolver. I prefer Smith & Wesson, but I appreciate Ruger and aknowledge that the company makes a very solid and strong revolver.Just remember that the Ruger is heavier, but will also withstand alot of heavy usage. Look at your requirements.
Now be careful with Colts. Like I said in that other posting the old Colt revolver action (Pre-Mk III/IV/V/King Cobra/Anaconda) is tricky and there aren't that many gunsmiths left anymore who know how to work on the action. I would recommend a Colt for collecting, but a Smith or Ruger for real world. Be careful of Taurus. The company has come a long way, but I still have doubts about the quality control. And that's not good for a revolver being used for the real world. Life or death in other words. --Jcordell 23:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about adding this to your main page. I was working on it and I was also talking to my kids and dealing with the family pets (no not the kids). Guess I got distracted. Anyway glad to help. Also in all fairness to Taurus I am thinking of buying a Judge just as a "neat" revolver. Oh and that reminds me of something else. Somebody asked me about Charter Arms a few days ago. I would put that company in the same category as Taurus. It's come a long ways, but I'm still not sure about the consistency of it's Quality Control.Anyway talk to you later.--Jcordell 12:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I think the mid size snubbies are great revolvers.I own a Colt Mk III Lawman with a 2" barrel. It'a a real Bulldog. They also look cool as hell. But they aren't really designed to be concealed. I know there are people who make them work, but I think they're more belt or shoulder holster revolvers. I suppose if you wear a sports coat all the time it would work, but that's not me. My dad carried a Model 19 snubbie for a few years back in the 70's and he described it as heavy after a few hours and dense. He said that he was always worried about it printing. --Jcordell 17:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Glad to help. The 642 is a good revolver. You might want to get Snap Caps so you can practice your dry firing without worrying about breaking your firing pin.I like them even with frame mounted firing pin designs like Ruger. Also you can practice loading. I use tem in all my firearms. Handguns, rifles and shotguns. I tell all our new officers to do dry-firing at least a couple times a week. It's helped me over the years. --Jcordell 18:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Pred's revolvers
Congrats on your CCP, Pred, and sounds like a good choice going with the 442(?) Smith. Sounds good man, hope you enjoy it. StanTheMan 01:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
An added feature! Well, not really. But hey, if it works. Sounds like you didn't pay too many pretty pennies for it at least. Speaking of Smiths, tell me, what's your experience with that 'bling-bling' 586 you got? Have you fired it recently? StanTheMan 02:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Cool, glad to know a bit. It is a full-size revolver so I'd expect it to have some weight, especially since it's bigger than K-frame. Anyway, thanks for the bit of knowledge, man. StanTheMan 03:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
banning user 125.233.23.5
His nowiki command was not necessarily vandalism. I've seen that mistake with noobs who know nothing of Wiki command structures. I wouldn't do a permanent ban, unless he has done something else wrong. mpm
Temporarily ban him again
But clearly tell why you are banning again. If he does it a fourth time, then permanently ban him. We can't have guys doing obviously stupid things and ignoring the mods. It MAY make IMFDB more 'nazi like' like some disaffected ex-members have accused us of, but seriously, the mods (and quality good members) waste so much time correcting inane and just dumb changes made by noobs. MoviePropMaster2008 01:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Bah, why do people even do that? It should be obvious what the end result will be. Well I don't know. People who act like that have always just irked the living hell out of me. I mean.. that's just irritating. And I'm not one of the poor souls.. err wonderful guys who handle those things. StanTheMan 01:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
RE: uploading images
I only edit it again so it appears in the screenshot category. Does it still appear in the category if you put the category part in the summary section? - Kenny99 00:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I think I will have to withdraw the Stevens 67
I just checked the fine print on the side of the gun. It's a Savage/Springfield Model 67, not a Savage/Stevens Model 67. I 'think' the Model 67 is virtually identical save for a few differences (the ribs in the forearm is a wee bit wider). What do you think? Keep it or trash it? The problem is that Stevens also has a Model 77 which looks the same. Arghhh. These gun manufacturers and their third party branding of the same damned gun just drives me nuts! :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
Wacko watch part deux
1morey -
I'm afraid the guy's uploaded a shitload of redundant and jacked images (one of them has the copyright posted on the image itself), and his Call of juarez page is.. well, look for yourself. I try to not be that judgmental but, sheesh.. :( I'd fix the page but I don't wanna encroach on admin-type stuff. Besides it's a clear showing of how NOT to do a page.. ahem sorry. I just can't stand pages done that horribly. Saddest thing is that it seems the game pages are the ones most like that.. bah. StanTheMan 23:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- That's cool. I know he's a new guy so I tried to keep that in mind, still that wasn't too pleasant to see. The page looks much better now so thanks on that. I'm gonna add the proper gun images and links, and do a bit of formatting. I'd like to get your ok to move the non-firearm weapons (Bible, Tomahawk, etc) to the talk page. StanTheMan 02:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
95.116.165.233 All for you, unless someone else gets him, of course. And remember - PENIS! :P StanTheMan 16:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
School Rumble
has anyone added a page on school Rumble, i was adding a page about Sora no woto, i forgot that it's already on here. so just before i try. is there anything about that anime on this website
School Rumble
has anyone added a page on school Rumble, i was adding a page about Sora no woto, i forgot that it's already on here. so just before i try. is there anything about that anime on this website
school rumble
i have tried its japanese name Sukūru Ramburu still noting has come up, so im wandering if i could make a page
im new to editing these pages its just the pics i have trouble with
my page is still unfinished, when you look at it you can see what the problem is, sorry im still new to making pages like this. just need to know how to get those images right with the text
school rumble
its just the cover of the anime that im stuck with now, sorry i must be bothering you now
i guess its fine.
Thanks for the help :)
im still stumped on what gun Oji kurasuma has i dunno what it is. but i guess someone who does know will change it.
my dad took my laptop off me yesterday so, sorry if i was unresponsive. i was going to make the changes. but thanks anyway, you've been a real help :)
RE: gun discussions
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner...I have no problem with allowing some discussions of guns, as long as they don't deviate too much from the scope of the site. I mostly just hate people using the talk pages for the kind of discussions we saw on the Beretta 92 page, because I think that kind of stuff makes us look bad. Also, some of those topics on the 1911 page look to me like they were started by an anonymous user who seems to be a bit of a poser (I remember he started a topic on the M16 page where he said he liked M16A1s better than A2s because you can "spray" with an M16A1, LOL). -MT2008 12:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Photos
Thanks for watching my back. Actually it's pretty easy to revert those pics, but I'll start protecting them, but there are almost 700 custom pics I've uploaded ;) yeow. We can do them when we get to them. What is this guy thinking? A high resolution shot of a gun that's already IN motion picture armorer inventory? That makes it a little more site relevant than some snapshot of some dude's private property gun in his back yard. :) MoviePropMaster2008
Raw Deal
Well, I usually put 'screen used' on the caption if it is indeed a screen used gun. That's a build up. As you can see, the choke is slightly different. That was taken from a Browning Field shotgun and 'crammed' onto the Mossberg LOL! Also the original movie Mossberg was a different finish than mine. And also the original gun was lost or destroyed sometime in 1990 on another movie set so it is no longer (from what an armorer friend told me) but that was yet another off hand comment, second hand, so I can't verify it. Either way, that gun was just like the Hollowpoint Type 84S or the Dawn of the Dead Remington 870. Built up by MoviePropMaster2008 for imfdb using the parts (which I have) :) MoviePropMaster2008
Mac-uzi?
Are you kidding? For one, that gun is hella gay. Two, those parts were made back in the 1970s from scratch when armorers had trouble getting Uzis (the early 70s the Uzi was hot, Presidential security, the Raid on Entebbe, the gun was all in the news). Why would I have 35 year old fake gun parts that aren't even correct and were custom made in a metal fabrication shop to fit a MAC-10? :D So I guess the answer is HELL NO. No gay fake franken guns here! LOL!!!!!! MoviePropMaster2008
J.C. Higgins Model 20
I added alittle more about the history of the shotgun. Manufactured by High Standard under contract for Sears etc. Basically it's a no-frills version of the High Standard Flite King Shotgun Series. But it is a seperate model and should have it's own page. --Jcordell 17:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
This is a memory I've brought up before, but I remember going into a K-Mart probably thirty-five years ago with my dad and walking out (dad & I) with a Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .357 magnum. What's amazing is here in my town there is a drugstore (yes an old fashioned drugstore with an honest to go lunch counter) that sells both handguns and long-guns as well as ammo, fishing equipment and so on. A few years ago I purchased a Ruger Blackhawk from them just to help support a local business. Going into that store is like walking through a time-warp. There are still a few left I guess. --Jcordell 18:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Redirect
Okay. thanks. I'll do that. --Jcordell 03:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
RE:
Definitely a spammer. Nuked. -MT2008 14:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Armstrong images
Hello and sorry for the no neccessary images, you can delete them. I will respect next time. --comateman 22:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
RE: Auction
Yeah, I remember that auction. Obviously, the info in the PDF is not going to be 100% (as evidenced by the example you cited). Inaccuracies are likely to be a result of the fact that whoever wrote that document wasn't knowledgeable about firearms. But it could still help us. -MT2008 05:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
It's definitely possible the barrels were swapped out for a later movie, though I can't imagine which one. Also, as far as the Glock in Eraser being a G21, it's possible, but it's also a bit strange to me because the opening credits scene shows a Glock 17 being loaded (the mags aren't long enough to be G21 mags). Though of course, the opening credits gun wasn't necessarily the gun used by Arnie in the rest of the movie. -MT2008 16:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Zombie Killer 1995
Thanks for deleting the friends page but I have redone the page thanks any way
Zombie killer 1995
Ok thanks I'll remember that
zombie killer 1995
sorry sorry I'm new to this thing my bad if I reset the picture size to say 450px would that be ok?
RE: The Way of The Gun
Comin' right up! :) And thanks. I was a bit hesitant at first about uploading my screencaps... --Warejaws 21:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah ok, and once again: thanks! And yes, this is gonna look awesome as a Featured Article... ;) I'll just finish it up and maybe add a couple of them situational shots. --Warejaws 21:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
RE: M1911A1 disclaimer
Sure, I think that would a good disclaimer to add. I also wonder if we should add the info about how most firing 1911s in movies are 9mm derivatives (like the Mark IV Series 70 or Star Model B). But this has been a big problem. -MT2008 04:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
The Mark IV Series 70 in 9mm while it was available they aren't all that common, I very rarely see them come up for sale. (maybe the armories bought them all).
You'd have to ask one of our armorers about this, but I would guess that could very well be true! Also, because movie guns always get sent out on lots of shows, it's possible for them to be disproportionately represented in Hollywood compared to real life (I've seen too many movies and TV shows that have had bad guys using the SIG P220 and P226 Sport models, which are pretty rare and hard to find.)
And yes, it's possible to re-chamber a .45-caliber 1911 to fire 9mm blanks. It's also not uncommon for gunsmiths to re-chamber weapons to fire more commonly available cartridges (i.e. re-chambering Japanese Arisaka rifles to shoot .30-.06 blanks). I have no idea how common this is with 1911s, though. The impression I've usually been under is that .45 ACP 1911s were used mostly for non-firing, the 9mm Star Model B or Mark IV Series 70 were used in firing. I dunno when gunsmiths in the industry started figuring out how to make 1911s function more reliably with .45 ACP blanks, but I'm guessing it wasn't until some time in the 1980s or 1990s, which would explain why 9mm pistols were still more common than other calibers up until recently. -MT2008 05:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
In early gangster films you see Colt 1911's that were not converted to blanks but were still live fire weapons. The 1911's and 1911a1 are a delayed blow back weapon and were more difficult to convert than the straight blow back pistol like the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. Also the .45 ACP blanks were made from a cut down .30-06 cartridge and were mainly used in the Colt Thompson Submachine Guns but the 1911 had some issues due to the hard rifle primers. So you will see most 1911 and 1911A1's used in film prior to 1950 firing one shot since they were not converted to blanks or a mock up 1911 that has a small revolver inside an aluminum shroud to stand in for a 1911 when firing multiple rounds. About 1950 the Star Model B was brought in to the US for sale and several studios and armories purchased these since 9mm blanks worked and a conversion on a delayed blow back weapon was developed. From 1950 through the mid 80's the Star Model B, Colt 9mm and Colt .38 Supers with a 9mm barrel were used. About 1985 a new .45 blank cartridge was developed that used a large pistol primer allowing the armories to activate there 1911's to fire reliably. The Stembridge had both Colt 1911 and GI 1911A1 in there inventory also had Colt 9mm Series 70. They did try to convert 45's to 9mm but had problems due to the larger breach face in the 45 slide compared to the 9mm slide. The rentals of 9mm 1911 pistol have slowed down when the .45 came on line but they still go out on shows when a Propmaster wants to limit the amount of different blanks on set. Hope this helps some it will be hard to decipher pistol types unless you study the photos closely. --phoenixent 23:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The machine pistol used on Public Enemies was originally a 38 Super converted to 9mm. It's a funny thing with those machine pistols that the original ones built for Dillinger in the 30's were 38 super. I have seen Barstow barrels in 9mm plugged and modified for blanks in Stembridge parts bin so that gives some credence to converting 38 Supers to 9mm blank. Also Stembridge had great connections at Colt and they would build custom pistol in 9mm for Stembridge. The pistols used in Cobra were 38 Super National Match made in 9mm by Colt for Stembridge.--phoenixent 04:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
That photo from Cobra is nice as it shows the ejection port. Colt made that pistol in 45 ACP and 38 Super only but they did build it special order in 9mm for Stembridge according to Syd Stembridge. The firearms companies do a lot of special builds if the time allows for it. Ellis Mercantile had new S&W Highway Patrolman revolvers built by Smith & Wesson for A Perfect World. They sent S&W an original from inventory and then S&W built them almost exactly like the sample. --phoenixent 17:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
This is really great information! Thanks so much, Steve! Hey Predator, should we add this summary (or something like it) to the page? -MT2008 01:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good! Only thing is, don't use any personal pronouns ("you"). I gotta run, but I'll discuss further in a bit. -MT2008 03:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I had a 38 Super National Match with Elison rear sight in 1981 that came back from Mexico. The pistol came from a batch of guns imported by Odin International. As for the Cobra pistols Colt built them special in 9mm for Stembridge. That would be easy for Colt to do as the just run a couple of unfinished National Match slides though the 9mm machine operations for the firing pin hole, Extractor Hole, Ejector Slot and Breach Face. It is a lot easier for the manufacturer to do those for us than trying to do it in house. We also have Glocks that are marked Glock 23 but are in 9mm blank again it another special build by Glock for one of the armories. You are correct on Clint's revolver in A Perfect World as a Model 19. But they ordered the Model 28's for the show I am not sure who used them in the show just knew they were ordered and they went out on the show.--phoenixent 17:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
On the Glock 23 in 9mm some scripts call specifically for the Glock 23 since that is what the FBI use at this time. But to make things easier for the armorer or propmaster we had them made in 9mm instead of 40 cal. There are 40 cal Glocks in other armories as I have used them on some films but it would have been easier if it was 9mm as we had other 9mm pistols on the show. No problem on using what I told you about 45 blanks and I can get more info to fill it out for you. I will be talking to the guys about a new category for IMFDB on studios and armories of the past that should include a page on motion picture blanks. It depends on what the conversion was on the revolver. I have seen several from back in the early days with the cylinder bored or shaved for 5 in 1 blanks. Also we have some revolvers the have the barrels plugged and ported in different directions for close up use. It's very rare now a days for a revolver to be modified due to caliber as we have access to almost all calibers of brass. But we do still modify the barrels for the close in shots but usually on a spare barrel. The industry looks at it's guns as just props to assist in make a film so we due think that would make collectors cry like the 1st gen Colt Single Action with the bent barrel in the movie Unforgiven. The gunsmith was told to use one of the single actions on the rack so he did what was told. --phoenixent 17:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Zombie Killer 1995
Hi could you tell me how to delete pages thanks.
Zombie Killer 1995
Ok thanks the the info.
Zombie Killer 1995
Hi just one question is it possible to put a block on a page so that only the creator of that page can edit it. or some way to that people can only edit with creators permission?.
Zombie Killer 1995
Hi, I looked on one of my pages I created Doghouse also with Phoenix Nights and it says that the page is incomplete but it is there is only one gun used in it so should I just get rid of the ?.
J.C. Higgins Shotguns
How about we rename the page "J.C. Higgins Shotgun Series"? I think that would work. --Jcordell 01:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Sure thing. That would simplify things. I finally discovered the identity of the Model 21 because I bought the 1965 edition of Gun Digest at a used bookstore today. Mainly because I thought it might help with identifying older more obscure firearms (which it did) plus I like reading old gun articles from the past forty-seventy years. You'd be suprised how much info they have in them - even in 2010. Plus the old writers weren't so focused on everything being high tech and uber tactical. --Jcordell 01:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
The 65 edition I picked up has several interesting articles. One is about the brand new 41 magnum. Another is about the endof the M14 and looks at the possible replacements to include the AR-15 and finally an article about the changes introduced by Winchester to the Model 70. The crazy thing is the writer approved of the changes! Boy if he been able to see into the future and the big stink that people would make about Pre-64 vs. Post 64 Model 70's. --Jcordell 01:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Zombie Killer 1995
Hi just needed to ask recently I have seen annoying advertisements on the right and left side of this website trying to sell things is it possible for them to be disabled.
Thank you for listening to me hope to hear from you soon.
RE: From Dusk Till Dawn
This is becoming a habit ;) How do you like the new shots? I'm gonna update the whole page with some better caps of all the shotguns too... And damn, couldn't have imagined that Tarantino's 1911 was a china-copy. I could have sworn it was a Springfield. Oh, well... --Warejaws 00:08, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Hmm, funny coincidence with Tarantino and the 1911. One can't help but wonder if it's a conscious choice... Anyways, back here in Finland, it's like UK or New York for us "gun-nuts". Not a lot of people do ,for example, gun-related sports (well, other than hunting I guess) in here, especially young people. It's a tough nut getting a firearm. And if you are into guns/or have a gun (other than basic hunting rifles/shotguns) people thinks you're nuts :D (I had a point here somewhere, I think...) Anyways, when there's not a lot of people into guns, there ain't a lot of guns either. So if you wanna have a 1911 -type pistol, Norinco is the most easily acquirable, and more importantly, cheap. And I've heard a lot of people bad-mouthing the piece. As for myself, I don't like to judge anything if I haven't tried it myself. (<-applies for guns, not people :P) --Warejaws 00:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, we don't got a lot to choose from. I mean when you walk into a gun store in Finland... hmm, I don't think we even have other than a few gun shops in the whole country! Well, when you walk into a gun shop, or a hunting store, you got dozens of shotguns (O/U, pump-action, you name it), hunting rifles (Lot's of Finnish Sakos and Tikkas, then lots of others), and your .22s. I mean every place you go you have dozens of .22s, some basic every-guy-knows-them-guns (92FS, P226, etc.), and only a few others. I mean of course they can get them, but they're more... "special". If you ask for e.g. a Springfield 1911 TRP, they're gonna have to import it from somewhere. I've heard some people get the Norinco, and use it as a basis for something they wanna build. In here Norinco's are about 400€, give or take. Less if they're used. --Warejaws 01:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
P226 pic
Thanks for pointing that out about the pic. I've notified the user. --Ben41 13:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
RE: PNGs
Shit I forgot. Been away too long. Thanks for the reminder. --ManiacallyChallenged
RE:
Huh? That's odd...it looks centered to me. -MT2008 16:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little confused. Here's what the alphabet list at the top looks like for me:
Is that what you're referring to? Also, I haven't emailed/Gchated Chris yet, should I? -MT2008 17:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I usually see the ads, but sometimes, they don't load properly and then I don't. -MT2008 17:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Done, good suggestion. Ads are gone, although the menu is still on the left. -MT2008 17:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, delete request
Hi.I heard you were an admin. I did a little upgradin' on the Ninja Assassin page. I upgraded some pictures, and I took out some of the crappier ones. Could you possibly delete these, please?--Warejaws 19:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. Thanks. --Warejaws 20:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
RE: AK
First of all, I just viewed the auction, and it says someone bought it. Are you that someone? If not, this discussion is (sadly) moot.
Second, yes, $1K for a PT Legend is a really good deal. I paid about $950 for mine (in 2004), but mine is a stamped receiver, not milled. Milled receiver AKs are always more expensive. However, I'm personally a lot more partial to stamped; they're lighter and feel a lot less...antique, I guess.
As far as other brands: Norincos are pretty good, but their fit and finish isn't as good as PTs. In the 1980s, they were considered the bargain-price "no frills" AKs (they often sold for $300, which is crazy considering what they cost today). They're also built to almost the same specs as the PLA-issue Type 56 rifles, so if you want something identical to what Hamas militants or Iranian Revolutionary Guards carry, the Norincos are cheaper and closer to mil-spec.
Hungarians are my second-favorite after the PTs. I've handled an SA85M and it was quite possibly the most beautiful AK I've ever seen. Unfortunately, the FFL wanted $2,500 for it, and from what I've seen, it's hard to find one for under $2K because only about 7,000 were imported to this country before Bush, Sr. banned them in 1989. Right now, there are some manufacturers who are building SA85Ms by taking Hungarian parts kits and putting them on American-made receivers; I haven't seen one firsthand, but I would be suspicious of anything made in this country. American companies are never going to be as good at making AKs as their counterparts in Eastern Europe or East Asia, IMO.
Sorry, I phrased that poorly. My gun isn't a Legend (Legends are milled receivers only). Mine says "AK47S" on the side of the receiver, and it was imported by Golden State Arms, which was one of Poly Tech's front companies in California. -MT2008 02:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Re: I'm Gonna Git You Sucka
This time I mentioned that it's a Type 56-1 with an AKM-style muzzle break. Hopefully, that'll clear things up. Also, at some point, I gotta talk to Ben about his IDs - he gets stuff wrong all the time (usually minor things, though, like specific Glock variants/generations). -MT2008 17:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Archer page
I agree that the weapons are drawn well enough to be identified. I wouldn't have any trouble with it, but it may be better to run it by the other mods and then probably a disclaimer should be put at the top of its page to explain why this page is okay. --Ben41 06:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Stargate SG-1
I just started with Season 10, so I am not really done with the page yet. In the meantime you could put splitting the page up for vote. See if people think it's a good idea or not. --Milkovich 07:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering who will split the page up. --Milkovich 12:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I am already putting the Seasons into separate .txt files (anything else and the formatting goes haywire). I have 1 through 6 done. Until I am done with that I will keep on adding screenshots to the SG-1 talkpage. --Milkovich 15:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Done. I apologize for not warning anyone beforehand. The pages probably need a lot of fixing. --Milkovich 17:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Splitting Up by Season
It would be nice to split those shows by season, but I've found that both those shows as well as NCIS are pretty much the same each season so there would be a lot of overlap of weapons used. 24 was different because each season was pretty much a different story. Miami Vice had a lot of different weapons each season. Splitting Burn Notice and The Unit would mean having to go back and examine each episode of each season to reexamine which weapons went with each season. In other words, I would vote not to split. (Stargate's another matter). --Ben41 01:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Black Hawk Down pics
Just wondering why you wrote over my pics for Black Hawk. Mine are from the Blu-ray. --Ben41 07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll be more careful next time. --Ben41 02:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Deleting files
How do I delete a file if I upload the wrong one?
Not trying to be a pain but I'm still new to your site.
Thanks- Peejn8r
Zombie killer 1995
Hi I was wondering if you could confirm for me what the name of the pistol is.
Is it a M1911A1 or a Beretta 9000?
Do you know the name of the pistols is it a Colt Officer's ACP but in black and i dont no why i coverd their faces
thanks for the help I thinks its a Colt Officer's ACP
images
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. BTW, you're doing an EXCELLENT job as mod. I see you kicking ass and taking names when it comes to banning spammers and keeping error prone 'drive by anonymous members' in check. I'm taking a break from photos for iMFDB. the problem is that members LOVE the pics, but too many members feel that I'm being some sort of jerk in trying to protect the images from piracy by other websites. IP (intellectual property) seems to be a foreign concept to most of the membership on IMFDB. We're legal on the screencaps, I know that much. But I put a ton of work into gun images and recently some of the arguements (on and OFF the forums/discussion pages) have left a bad taste in my mouth. So officially I'm on strike for now. No more pics. :) MoviePropMaster2008 21:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Trivia template
I wanted to see how it would look on the main page first and just waiting for an okay from some of the other mods before putting it up for a longer trial period. --Ben41 02:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
RE: Killshot 1911s
Holy crap, I think you're right! When I saw the film the first time, I spotted the gun as a Series 80, peace of cake. I didn't care to think anymore, since I had already recognized it. I couldn't have even thought it to be not only 2, but maybe 3 different guns.
The second screencap looks like an M1911A1, as you already noticed. The third might as well be a Norinco, I mean they even used plastic shotguns for some scenes. I'll have to watch the film again to see if it changes even more. Thanks for spotting that, I appreciate it :) And thanks for the compliments --Warejaws 00:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Re: Killshot
Now that you mentioned, the Smith looks like a possible alternative. Btw, the film was full of continuity errors and such. A real nightmare. It didn't help production that they had to cut and re-shoot the movie several times.
But about the shotgun, I'ma wing it and say that it is a Winchester Model 1300, even though I don't know if they make it with a full synthetic stock with a regular mag tube. But the foregrip reminds me of the 1300 Defender...
OH...I get it. Piss Taker...Thanks Excalibur01 20:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
RE:
I think you're correct, good catch! Still wish we could ID the other shotgun, though (the one with the long tube).
Also, as far as the Type 56 section goes: I think it's fine to add a note that they were originally made with milled receivers. -MT2008 08:06, 9 March 2011 (MSK)
Yeah, I think it's a Hatsan. Also, I don't know if the tube is unsupported; I think it's just that the connector blends with the suit of the agent in the background. Also, I'm pretty sure that same shotgun appears later in the movie, and it definitely doesn't have an unsupported tube. -MT2008 08:23, 9 March 2011 (MSK)
Recreated
Hi. I have recreated a page for a game which was once deleted (don't know the reason...). Could you please take a look at this page: Condemned: Criminal Origins. bozitojugg3rn4ut 09:00, 19 March 2011 (CDT)
Bruni 92
Bruni 92
Hi there, since you're the registered user for the Beretta 92 page, could you please add the below table for the Bruni 92? I coded already for you so it's probably a matter of cut-and-paste.
Also, I found a good quality image of the Bruni 92 (Media:Bruni_92.jpg) that you may want to include, currently there's none.--PeeWee055 10:32, 26 March 2011 (CDT)
RE:
Thanks for trying. I literally just took the image again (played the movie) and re-uploaded, and still no go. I think the file itself is just going to need to be deleted. I have no idea what could possibly be causing this error. -MT2008 21:39, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, I saw! It's good that we have him on here, too. I figured those weird AKs were modified R5s, but it's nice to have confirmation. -MT2008 21:35, 12 April 2011 (CDT)
RE: Dark Blue
Thanks, I think the page is coming along great, too. Oh, and I did some re-organizing on the handguns, as you adviced, so that the main characters' pieces are the first ones you see on the page. I also put the unknown 1911 on the colt government section. Check it out, now it looks even better ;)
I'm also planning on screencapping the second season in the upcoming weeks, as soon as I'm done with the first season and a couple of other projects I'm planning. Cheers, mate --Warejaws 02:30, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Just to point out since I can't post on the forums (don't have permission):
Burt's argument is basically that "RPG" is not the correct term to use to describe an RPG; I've shown him links to BAE Systems and the US Army using the term to describe a class of weapons, but he insists they're incorrect as if he's somehow in a position to overrule experts in the defence industry and the military on what the correct term is. This is why he wants to remove "RPG" from all mentions of the Type 69; he thinks it can only be applied to the RPG-X series of weapons, not to RPG weapons in general or their warheads. Given he's seemingly immune to logic, fixated on "correcting" things that aren't wrong, doesn't contribute anything of merit and edits the same articles in the same way, I'm fairly sure he's actually good old PersonOfInterest; this probably explains why he's trying to describe me as a "troublemaker" (I haven't caused anything resembling trouble in years, last I checked; "good contributor" is probably a better label) since I disagreed with him before. Evil Tim 02:48, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Further to that, here's something fun: PersonOfInterest's last activity is 26th August 2010. He made a new account and came back (and got banned again) just under a month later on September 28th. Burt's first edit is a month and four days later and he's soon back to editing Goldeneye and the N64 The World Is Not Enough, which were POI's weird little obsessions. He also has that POI quirk of often taking two tries to sign talk page edits, if he bothers to sign them at all (look for places where he edits a talk page twice in a row, including his first two edits). Interesting, huh? Another little thing: the user who posted the top comment was PersonOfInterest. How come "both" of them think this is the right way to say things on a talk page? Evil Tim 08:49, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Well, people seem to be seeing through his rather ridiculous attempts at character assassination on the forums (yeah, I'm a disruptive user, damn me for posting over a hundred screencaps in the last five days while he's never posted a single one ever). It's basically common sense: if the experts say something and a random person on the internet says something else, the experts are going to be the ones in the right. Anyway, I've copy-pasted the POI stuff to MT2008, so we'll see what he makes of it. Any idea why I can't post on the forums? I registered a new account name (Evil Tim) since I can't get a password reminder for "Vangelis," but that says I don't have permission to post. Evil Tim 09:20, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, it's my Hotmail account, though I was cleared for forums on my other account (Gmail) just fine. One of those things, I guess. Anyway, time for me to hit the hay. Have a good one. Evil Tim 10:56, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Hey, I realise this is kinda dead, but while looking through the abbreviation list I noticed something: Burt said of RPG "we don't use that term on this site." Guess who decided that? Evil Tim 09:50, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
RE: Feast
Now that you mentioned it, it seem like the shotgun used in Feast definitely changes during the film. The trigger guard looks like it's from a Winchester, but the pins resemble Remington. Damn, I guess I'm gonna have to watch it again, to get a good look at it. It's been a couple of years since I saw the film, and just recently I upgraded the pics used on the page to .jpgs. It was one of my first pages, so I wasn't familiar with how the site works, and I initially uploaded them as .pngs. The .pngs are still here somewhere, I couldn't write them over with my .jpegs. I guess they can still be deleted, though? --Warejaws 14:24, 19 April 2011 (CDT)
Hmm. Time to put Google to use ;) I'll see what I can dig up. Oh and I got you the .pngs, so you only have to delete them:
MPM had deleted this page and I had restored it for exactly the same reason you restored it, but I was left a message to keep it deleted. Just letting you know. --Ben41 19:11, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
Xm21 file
Predator could you completely delete the file as the file I'm trying to upload is the black and white file. It seems that whenever i try to upload the new file it apears to me as a coruption of POI's file wich is a missidentification of the weapon. by deleting all of the versions i can upload a fresh image without anything going wrong with the upload hopefully.Rockwolf66 22:19, 25 April 2011 (CDT)
Righteous Kill
Thanks for the corrections on Righteous Kill, I'm doing them now. --Ben41 21:26, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
Can we get RPG-7 unlocked now?
Orca's left the page locked as admin editing only, which seems a little counter-productive since it's a very common weapon and nobody can currently add examples to it's page. Evil Tim 07:51, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
Spaceart
I thought the consensus was that they were basically spam and bunni's take on it was "The outbound links need to be removed and the images (he) uploaded need to be off the main pages and on the discussion pages unless they are actual screen used props." I noticed they'd been removed from almost all the articles they were posted on, so just got rid of the rest since none of them were in the right place anyway (all above the main weapon image). Was that not right? Evil Tim 11:48, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
Well, the way I read it was that MPM was the only one for using the images and he changed his mind when bunni said it was spam. I'll move them to the talk pages right now. Evil Tim 12:10, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
Thank you
That was starting to get irritating. Evil Tim 09:01, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
Yeah, that'd be good. Could you also do that for Black and Homefront since they're both basically finished? They're more likely to be vandalised by anons than added to now. Evil Tim 09:14, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
Zombie Killer 1995
???? Will that help in any way, and what will that do.--Zombie Killer 1995 09:15, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
Ok then do what you can to protect my page please.
Hi friend, I replied to your comment on that movie which is apparantly so insulting it needs a special disclaimer. I'd like to know if I can edit the page still, and if the people running this site (I guess this includes you, as an admin) share the views and biases which enabled such a disclaimer to be put on that page.
Peace Tec-9 12:54, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
Sorry to interject on your talk page, Predator20 :) but I must reply to TEC 9.
Dear mister Tec-9, quoted below is one of your comments: "If the people who run this place feel that is an offense or breach to the rules of this wiki, then I'd be happy for them to ban me. It just proves this wiki is run by ignorant red-neck gun-lovers who lack the open-mindedness and moderateness to question the actions of their service members. " You IMMEDIATELY cop an attitude and insult the people on this site. If our biases are so egregious, you Mister Tec-9 are welcome to go elsewhere. The Mods of IMFDB have banned tons of guys who violate the rules. Having a foul attitude or elitist demeanor is not one of them. Don't parade your self important "I am non biased" BS and try to make changes that are inappropriate. Your comments already belie a pre-existing bias. You have a bias against gun "lovers", 'rednecks' and "Americans" or you wouldn't use the terms as an insult. You obviously don't care that unlike Casualties of War. the film Redacted came out in the middle of a conflict, stoking the fires of Anti-American hatred, giving a huge propaganda boot to the enemy, stoking anger and hatred when our men and women are out there risking their lives to fight terrorism. This arrogant insulting tome usually manifests itself when we encounter European or Foreign based IMFDB members. Now I don't know where you hail from, but your attitude immediately rubbed me the wrong way. :) best regards MPM2008
MPM2008: I replied to your points on the discussion page of that movie, and for all intents and purposes, I take back my use of the term 'Redneck'. I wont ruin Predator20's page, in writing my arguememt against your statement, so please check out that page. And I'd just like to add that they are not fighting terrorism - you used to be able to enjoy a nice cold beer an a bellydance at a decent hang-out in Baghdad before, now alcohol is banned and the government in Iraq is run by the Ayatollah Islamist scumbags in Iran, with Persians and terrorists crawling out of the woodwork everywhere. US soldiers have caused more suffering to innocent Iraqis than terrorists. Also, please feel free to reply back on my Wiki page for further discussion.
Take care. Tec-9 07:40, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
Predator20: Thanks again for the reply. I do completely agree, that the term "The members" should probably be changed to "Some members". However, a IMFDB lacks a comprehensive framework of just how many members need to be express insult at any particular film for it to have a disclaimer. Also, even if we say 'X-number of members need to express insult for a disclaimer', this will be open for abuse by people who'll herd in loads of new members just to get that disclaimer. And finally, IMFDB is a wiki to document movies - it should have no place for opinions - no matter how burning some members feel they are. This will keep it's credibility as an unbiased source for everyone as opposed to a politicied forum. Members can also always join the plethora of Right-Wing/Conservative NRA-type forums out there to express such opinions. I feel this is the first step of a very slippery slope in the politicisation of this place.
Peace bro. Tec-9 07:41, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
