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The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT 92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy. | |||
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Revision as of 08:42, 24 February 2010
Correction
The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT 92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy.
Curious Question
The Beretta Centurion, is it simply a 92FS with a shortened barrel? Or is there something else I'm missing?
It's essentially got the Compact's barrel and slide, the normal sized frame, and a slightly shorter dust cover that doesn't really fit into either other category. Acora 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Just a reminder
When you talk about the Beretta 92F or 92FS, it is not spelled "M92F" (as this page is titled), "M92FS", or even "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". It's just Beretta 92F or Beretta 92FS, exactly as I have just spelled it. If you see a page with the older (mis)spelling, please do not hesitate to correct it.
And considering that this page has grown to include all of the 92 variants (including the SB, Brigadier, Centurion, etc.), it might be time to rename it. I would recommend re-titling the page "Beretta 92-series pistols". Anyone else agree? MT2008
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Why not have more info on the 93R? Give it its own page?
I propose the following info 9 (and an image if possible; how do I place/upload images here anyway?)
The Beretta 93R (full name: Beretta Model 93R) is a selective-fire 9mm machine pistol. The "R" stands for "Raffica" which means burst in Italian. It was designed in the 70s and meant for police and military use, offering extra firepower in a small package. It is perfect for concealed carry purposes such as VIP protection, or for close quarters fighting such as room-to-room searches.
A selector switch and the foldable foregrip allows the pistol to fire three round bursts with each pull of the trigger for a potential cyclic rate of 1100 rpm. The designers limited it to three round bursts to allow it to be more easily controlled. The 93R is basically a Beretta 92 series pistol (the Beretta 92FS is designated "M9 Pistol M9" by the US military, and is the standard issue pistol for the US military). But the 93R is single action and outfitted with a muzzle brake, an optional detachable shoulder stock and a 20-round magazine that also allowed for a firmer grip. It is currently out of production.
The gun has been used in several movies:
- Face/Off a 1997 action movie starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and directed by John Woo.
- Equilibrium a 2002 action/science fiction film written and directed by Kurt Wimmer with Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Christian Kahrmann, Emily Watson and Sean Bean.
Title change
I hope no one minds that I changed the page name, "pistol series" matches more of the titles on other pages and is easier to remember than "Series Pistols". Agreed? -GM
Why separate INOX?
I was just wondering if there were any technical differences between the 92FS and the INOX, other than the slide being stainless.
- Good question. Only because there are so many movies featuring the 92F Inox that if we didn't separate it from the regular 92F, we'd have to put notes about "Inox finish" in parentheses near each. Whereas most of the other Berettas with Inox finishes don't appear in nearly as many movies. -MT2008
What happened to the other Inox pic that was posted a few days ago? Could you send it to me, please? - User:Taurus96
I hate this pistol
- I wish this gun wasn't used in Die Hard, just because it is unworthy of all the popularity it has gained because of it. This gun is like a supermodel- it's just skating by on its looks but is horrible in reality-S&Wshooter 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- But alot of supermodels are hot!-Oliveira 21:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- They're also fucktarded-S&Wshooter 21:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jesus Christ Smith. You hate everything. Tell me, what YOU don't hate?-Oliveira 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- S&W, Browning, FN, Walther, Mauser and all the shit on my page-S&Wshooter 22:09, 26 June 2009
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- I hoped you would say Vests but i'm left dissapointed. But well, at least you like FN FALs.-Oliveira 22:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Vests?-S&Wshooter 22:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- You never played Left 4 Dead didn't you?-Oliveira 22:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- My computer sucks and all my $ is going towards an L1A1-S&Wshooter 22:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, in Left 4 Dead, there is an character called Francis who is a Biker. And he hates everything. Then another guy comes up to him and asks something like, "Francis, what don't you hate?" and Francis goes, "Well, i don't hate vests.". That's you Smith. You are Francis. Because you hate everything.-Oliveira 22:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Bitchin'. I like jackets better though-S&Wshooter 22:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Jackets are always better than vests.-Oliveira 22:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- The sleeves prevent zombies from biting chunks out of your arms-S&Wshooter 22:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Let's not derail this discussion, shall we? Let's keep talking about why or why not the M92 doesn't suck ass from an straw. Ok?-Oliveira 22:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Because it's finicky and breaks easily-S&Wshooter 22:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Um, I'm not sure why you hate the 92F so much, especially since you claim to like Beretta's other pistols. I have quite a bit of experience with the 92F and the Taurus PT92 (which I used to own) and I think it's an excellent pistol. Also, the 92F's appearance in movies isn't just due to its looks - as we've discussed in the forum, armorers like the 92F because it's one of the easiest pistols to convert to blank-fire. -MT2008
- Because it an ammo picky, fragile sonuvabitch is why-S&Wshooter 22:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- Technically, so are Glocks. No reloads, no unjacketed cartridges etc. --Phil 01:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've run into few pistols that aren't at least somewhat ammo picky. My S&W 4506 is extremely unreliable with our own reloads (to be fair, my Dad and I weren't really sure how to make good ones for a while) and with most other types of factory-reloaded ammo we've run through it. My Taurus PT92, in comparison, was actually far less prone to stovepiping with reloaded ammo. Also, if you like Walther, what do you think of just about every gun that they've made since the PP series? Based on my own experience, Walther has basically sucked for the last 50-something years. Even the later-generation PPKs are crap compared to the earlier models. -MT2008
- My P22 jams all the damn time, so I know exactly what your talking about-S&Wshooter 00:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I still don't understand why you hate the 92 models, Smith. I've read your page, and yet it doesn't seem logical to me. I mean, all the Beretta 92 variants, and the Taurus PT92 that my uncle owns, were very good pistols. The open ejection port keeps it from jamming most of the time, and it's actually very accurate. I mean, the locking block is specifically designed to be accurate, and it does a great job. If you dislike it simply because of the 9x19mm bullets, then remember, it also comes in .40 S&W (technically, that's the 96 series, but it's still the same design). Personally, 9x19mm is perfect, unless you're trying to take down some sort of large, dangerous animal, or a man doped up on painkillers. It has barely noticeable recoil, which only increases the accuracy of the gun. While it may not have the stopping power of a .45 or other larger calibers, it doesn't really need it. In most scenarios, a double tap to the chest and then a shot to the head, just to be sure, is all that's needed. I could understand if you didn't like it simply because it's a very popular gun in movies, but disliking it because you claim that it's inaccurate and that it jams easily just isn't logical, seeing as it is in fact accurate and not at all prone to jamming. If you want an inaccurate pistol, try the M1911. And as to the gun being very easy to break, you shouldn't take your facts from S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, Smith, have you read any Ayn Rand, such as Atlas Shrugged?Acora 11:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Movie pistol
Personally, I've never fired this gun in my life, so I can't comment on it's performance (although I'm guessing its at the very least a decent gun: why else would the military use it?). But it seems like 90% of all movies today (at least movies with directors that don't know much about guns) always features a Beretta 92FS, especially used by cops (excluding movies featuring the LAPD because that's what they really use). The point I'm trying to make is that ever since it became famous from Lethal Weapon and Die Hard, the Beretta has become the default Hollywood movie pistol. If ever a Hollywood movie needs some random gun, and they don't know anything about guns, they seem to always use a Beretta, whether its used by some extra or by the main character. Just thought I'd express my thoughts. -Gunman69 02:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's recognizable. That's it. The Beretta 92FS is to movies today what Colt Single Action Army pistols and the like were to the westerns of the 50's and 60's, and the Thompson was and is to pretty much every gangster-oriented movie ever made. --Clutch 03:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- The appearance is a big part of it, but less so nowadays, because the 92F is an aging design and doesn't have quite the same sexiness that it did in the 1980s and 90s. The 92F is the "default" Hollywood 9mm pistol because it has a reputation for being one of the most reliable guns when converted to blank-fire. The open-top slide and barrel assembly requires much less effort to convert to blank-fire than most other short-recoil semi-auto pistols, because there is no lock-up to remove. So propmasters and armorers continue to use them heavily because of their reputation as a good blank gun. -MT2008
- Well that would certainly explain it. -Gunman69 04:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would like to complement the contributors to this section for a far more insightful discussion than the one above.
- It's more insightful because the one above is biased and full of opinion-S&Wshooter 19:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. I appreciate that. -Gunman69 01:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- At least I admit it when I get carried away-S&Wshooter 01:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- In regards to the comment about random police officers seen using this weapon, I agree fully with the position that the weapon is overused and out of place when it comes to many characters in law enforcement. I find it especially egregious when the weapon is seen in the hands of NYPD officers (such as in the entire Spider Man series) and FBI agents, both of whom to my knowledge never used this pistol in large numbers. -Anonymous
- Seeing the Beretta in Spiderman was really annoying. It wasn't like in Lethal Weapon where it was synonomous with the main character, it was just used by some extras as the fallback choice of firearm. -Gunman69 04:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, in the movie industry, simplicity often comes before realism. It would be great if the Glock had been used in Spiderman, since it's the standard issue firearm for the NYPD, and if armorers would do some research and have any police officers in their films using the correct on-duty sidearms for their department, but unfortunately, the Beretta is easy to convert, and therefore is used more often, even when it wouldn't be realistic for the character to have it.
Die Hard and Lethal Weapon
I've looked at a few of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon pages, and there seems to be some confusion about which of the two Berettas on this site was used in each film. So, for future reference: which Berettas were used in the Die Hard films and the Lethal Weapon films? I'll put them up. Thanks. -Gunman69 02:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- What the Beretta page says is pretty much accurate. The first gun was used in both the first Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. See how it has a custom extended slide release (due to Willis being a leftie)? In Die Hard, there are plenty of scenes where it's possible to see that same extension on the slide release (most notably, during the scene where McClane is about to wander through the shattered glass). The second gun was used in the other three Die Hard movies and Demoliton Man.
- Also, I don't know why people keep putting the Die Hard Beretta on other pages for movies which didn't feature that particular gun. It should only be used for pages on movies in which it's actually appeared, no more. -MT2008
- Ok, so the first one was in the first Die Hard and the first Lethal Weapon, while the second was used in the other three Die Hards. Was the second also used in the other Lethal Weapons?
- It's interesting how the Lethal Weapon pistol was the same one from Die Hard. Obviously it was modified for Bruce Willis to use, but didn't Lethal Weapon come out a year prior to Die Hard?
- As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site. Thanks for your help, MT. -Gunman69 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- Also, the Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon was different from in the subsequent films because it had a gold Beretta logo on the grips instead of the black one that matches the grips on the Berettas shown here. Orca1 9904 06:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- the second was used in the other three Die Hards. Was the second also used in the other Lethal Weapons?
- I'm not really sure. When MoviePropMaster took the pictures of these guns, he said he may have got confused what movies they appeared in. But here is a picture of the second Beretta (and its "stunt double") in their display case at Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry:
- You can see that the label next to the gun only mentions Die Hard II and Demolition Man as its movie appearances. But MPM did say he was specifically told that they also brought this Beretta out of "retirement" from the glass case so that it could have a cameo appearance in Live Free or Die Hard (as we mentioned on the page for that movie). I'm not sure if it was in Die Hard with a Vengeance, but that strikes me as unlikely because that movie was filmed in New York and a different armory supplied the weapons for it. I'm also not sure if it was in any of the other Lethal Weapon movies or not. -MT2008
- As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site.
- Hmmm, to me, that's kind of stupid because there is so little difference between the 92F and 92FS. Not to mention that it's rather hard to be sure when one or the other is being used (the 92FS replaced the 92F in production very quickly, after all). But I would prefer that the Die Hard/Lethal Weapon Beretta only be used on pages for movies in which it actually appears. -MT2008
- I think they do this to movies that featured the Beretta that were made in the 80s. If I'm not mistaken, the Beretta 92FS came out in 1990, so they probably think it would be inaccurate to post a picture of the 92FS when the movie obviously used a 92F. -Gunman69 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well that's all a moot point. I Just uploaded two shots of early Beretta 92Fs which can be used generically as opposed to the hero movie guns. Thank you thank you thank you, just leave a tip in the jar........ MoviePropMaster2008 07:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
MPM2008, you deserve a cookie. I have replaced the 92FS image and the Die Hard 92F in a few 80's films. But what is the best year to stop using the 92F? Lethal Weapon 2 came out in '89 and Die Hard 2 '90, they both feature the 92FS. Anything prior to '88? -Predator20 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- The 92FS actually came out in either late 1988/early 1989, so these guns were purchased IMMEDIATELY and used right away, which is rare unless it's a hot and 'hip/trendy' gun like the 92. Prior to 1989 there ARE no 92FS guns. PRior to 1983 there are no 92F guns (The ones in 1983 were actually 92SB-F guns which were the same weapon. There is NO stop use date for the 92F or even the 92S/92SB guns. As you've seen people still grab them from inventory as recently as now in films. Just because the Walther P38 technically stopped production at the end of WW2 (Walther's post war versions were actually named differently) we still see the P38 in films for the past 65 years. So in essence we're just taking a wild guess. The only things we can be sure of is when they are NOT being used (i.e. the year of production is too early for the model to have been sold). But any gun of any age can be used at any time. When in doubt and it looks the same, opt for the 92FS from 1990 on unless you can get a really good look at the shiny grips, then it's a 92F. MoviePropMaster2008 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Awesome work on the new Beretta 92F pictures, MPM2008, they look great!--Alienqueen11 20:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I get what you mean about the 92F still being used today. But like you said unless you can really see the shiny grips or have a really great shot of the slide. You pretty much have to go when the film was made. I haven't handled that many Beretta's I didn't even notice the grips being different F shiny vs FS flat. Here is a pic of my 92F. While the grips look flat, they're shiny it is just my crappy photo skills.
Also wouldn't a history timeline of the changes on the 92 be a good thing for the page? -Predator20 22:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
TEST
original list
- Will Smith as Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville in I Am Legend
- Mykelti Williamson as Sgt. Drucker in Heat
- Liam Neeson as Bryan Mills in Taken
- Undercover Officers in La Haine
- Richard Grieco as Michael Corben(Promotional shots) and Pierre in Teen Agent
- Assassins in 16 Blocks (fitted with suppressors)
- Jason Bose Smith as Little Henry, a carjacker, and LAPD officers in American History X
- U.S. Army Rangers in Black Hawk Down
- Sean Patrick Flanery as Connor MacManus, Norman Reedus as Murphy MacManus, and David Della Rocco as Rocco ("the Funny Man") in The Boondock Saints
- Matt Damon as Jason Bourne in The Bourne Supremacy
- Matt Damon as Jason Bourne in The Bourne Ultimatum
- Diego Sandoval as Empty Gun Man in Desperado (fitted with suppressor)
- Bruce Willis as Lt. John McClane in the Die Hard series
- An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer, Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber, and Alexander Godunov as Karl in Die Hard
- Nicolas Cage as Castor Troy and Dominique Swain as Jamie Archer in Face/Off
- Sylvester Stallone as Jack Carter in Get Carter
- Chow Yun-Fat as Tequila Yuen and Tony Leung as Alan in Hard Boiled
- Chow Yun-Fat as Mark Gor, Ti Lung as Sung Tse Ho, Waise Lee as Shing, Leslie Cheung as Sung Tse Kit, and Triad gang members in A Better Tomorrow
- Chow Yun-Fat as Ken Gor, Ti Lung as Sung Tse Ho, Leslie Cheung as Sung Tse Kit, Dean Shek as Lung Si, Fui-On Shing as Ko's Right Hand Man, Ming Yan Lung as Chong, Shan Kwan as Ko Ying Pui, and others in A Better Tomorrow II
- Chow Yun-Fat as Ah Jong in The Killer
- Chow Yun-Fat as John Lee in The Replacement Killers
- Chow Yun-Fat as Detective Nick Chen in The Corruptor
- L.A.P.D. officers in Heat
- Josh Hartnett as Detective K.C. Calden in Hollywood Homicide
- Kim Bodnia as Harald in In China They Eat Dogs
- Adam Baldwin as Major Mitchell, U.S. military and Secret Service personnel in Independence Day
- U.S. Marines in Jarhead
- Mel Gibson as Detective Martin Riggs in the Lethal Weapon series (fitted with a laser sight in Lethal Weapon 4)
- L.A.P.D. officers and Rene Russo as Sergeant Lorna Cole in Lethal Weapon 3
- Jean Reno as Leon in Leon (The Professional)(Customized with Compensators and Silencers)
- Jared Leto as Vitaly Orlov in Lord of War
- Vin Diesel as DEA Agent Sean Vetter and Larenz Tate as DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks in A Man Apart
- Keanu Reeves as Neo in The Matrix and in The Matrix Revolutions
- FBI Agents and Jackie Chan as Chief Inspector Lee in Rush Hour
- Dennis Quaid as Guy and Stellan Skarsgard as Peter Dominic in Savior
- U.S. Army soldiers in The Siege
- N.Y.P.D. officers in Spider-Man
- L.A.P.D. patrol officers and one of Montel's cronies in S.W.A.T. (the latter being fitted with a silencer)
- Robert Patrick as the T-1000 in Terminator 2: Judgement Day
- Kristanna Loken as the T-X in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
- U.S. Army soldiers in Three Kings
- Ethan Hawke as Officer Jake Hoyt in Training Day
- Kate Beckinsale as Selene in Underworld (fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto)
- L.A.P.D. officers in Volcano
- N.S.A. agent posing as a robber at the 'diner' in xXx
- N.Y.P.D. officers in X-Men
- Lou Diamond Phillips as Cisco in The Big Hit
- U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S., Sean Connery as John Patrick Mason, and Nicolas Cage as FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed in The Rock (Connery and Cage using one fitted with a tactical flashlight)
- U.S. Army soldiers in Lions for Lambs
- Mark Wahlberg as Bob Lee Swagger in Shooter
- Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan in Demolition Man
- Steven Seagal as Nico Toscani in Above the Law
- Police in Vantage Point
- Steve Carell as Agent 86 in Get Smart
- Scott Caan as Jones in Enemy of the State
- Japanese soldiers in Battle Royale II: Requiem
- Martin Lawrence as Miles Logan inBlue Streak
- Elizabeth Banks as Starla Grant in Slither
- Shinji Mimura in Battle Royale(Film)
- Tom Cruise as Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible 3
- U.S. Marines in Behind Enemy Lines
- Rookie Kincaid in Ghosts of Mars
- Clive Owen as Louis Salinger in The International
- Minneapolis P.D. officers in Jingle All the Way
- Omar in Traitor
- Mace in Strange Days
- An assassin in The Sentinel, fitted with a suppressor.
- Detectives Curtis and Anderson in Unknown
- Truck driver in Dreamcatcher
- L.A.P.D. officers in Dragon Wars: D-War
- Andy Whitfield as Gabriel in Gabriel (dual-wielded with silencers)
- The corrupt police officers hired by Dominic Greene in Quantum of Solace
- Kansas City Police officers and detectives in Mad Money
- Jason Statham as Chev Chelios, Art Hsu as Johnny Vang, and LAPD officers in Crank: High Voltage
- A member of the french national police in MR 73
- U.S. Army soldiers in Courage Under Fire
- Esai Morales as Staff Sergeant Stern in In the Army Now
- Ed Harris as Sheriff Pangborn in Needful Things
- Ed Harris as Frankie in State of Grace
- Tengiz Borisoff as Josip Barada in Red Heat
- Sue Price as Alex Sinclair in Nemesis 2: Nebula, Nemesis III: Prey Harder and Nemesis 4: Death Angel
- Barry Pepper as Mike Norton in Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The
- Ben Kingsley as Frank Falenczyk in You Kill Me
- Viktor Sukhorukov as Victor Bagrov in Brother 2
- American cops in Brother 2
- Ben Kingsley as Xavier Fitch and Michael Madsen as Preston Lennox in Species
- Larry B. Scott as Sgt. Charles Biddle in Extreme Prejudice (1987)
- FBI Agents in In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders (continuity error)