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::I find that appalling. SWAT officers certainly should not be required to abide by the same restrictions as civilians as they are more highly trained, do not interact with the public often, and are only called when things really get hairy, but I don't believe patrol officers should be permitted to possess weapons that are forbidden to private citizens, as any situation they might encounter a civilian could be faced with as well, and, because they interact with the general public more, there is greater potential for abuse if the balance of power is too much in their favor. I don't want to sound like some kind of paranoid anarchist, however in principal I don't think the average cop on the street should be able to outgun every citizen he may encounter. Sure 10rds vs. 15rds may not be that big a deal, but it's a slippery slope. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | ::I find that appalling. SWAT officers certainly should not be required to abide by the same restrictions as civilians as they are more highly trained, do not interact with the public often, and are only called when things really get hairy, but I don't believe patrol officers should be permitted to possess weapons that are forbidden to private citizens, as any situation they might encounter a civilian could be faced with as well, and, because they interact with the general public more, there is greater potential for abuse if the balance of power is too much in their favor. I don't want to sound like some kind of paranoid anarchist, however in principal I don't think the average cop on the street should be able to outgun every citizen he may encounter. Sure 10rds vs. 15rds may not be that big a deal, but it's a slippery slope. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | ||
::: Again, I'm not too specific about all the uh, specifics. And some vary depending on which state you live in. In any case, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Granted I wouldn't mind so much about them getting a few extra rounds in their semiautos (one of the reasons they went to semiautos in the first place was higher magazine capacity), but I hear you about the rest. 'Special' weapons of the sort SHOULD only be issued/used by SWAT teams and other 'special' units. Unfortunately, some cities/departments don't seem to care much in that regard, especially these days. The LAPD you're talking about is also the same LAPD that issued hundreds of military-surplus M16 rifles to regular patrolmen as a knee-jerk reaction to the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, a decision that still holds effective to this day I believe. Anyway, I still haven | ::: Again, I'm not too specific about all the uh, specifics. And some vary depending on which state you live in. In any case, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Granted I wouldn't mind so much about them getting a few extra rounds in their semiautos (one of the reasons they went to semiautos in the first place was higher magazine capacity), but I hear you about the rest. 'Special' weapons of the sort SHOULD only be issued/used by SWAT teams and other 'special' units. Unfortunately, some cities/departments don't seem to care much in that regard, especially these days. The LAPD you're talking about is also the same LAPD that issued hundreds of military-surplus M16 rifles to regular patrolmen as a knee-jerk reaction to the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, a decision that still holds effective to this day I believe. Anyway, I still haven't given you a definite answer and can't, so before we continue preaching, perhaps we should wait until we get one, though I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 00:31, 8 November 2010
Additional Variants
Correction
The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy.
- Well your correction was wrong. Have you even looked at the page? Here is a screencap. That's definitely a Beretta, it sometimes switches to a PT92 in certain scenes. --Predator20 14:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Curious Question
The Beretta Centurion, is it simply a 92FS with a shortened barrel? Or is there something else I'm missing?
It's essentially got the Compact's barrel and slide, the normal sized frame, and a slightly shorter dust cover that doesn't really fit into either other category. Acora 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Just a reminder
When you talk about the Beretta 92F or 92FS, it is not spelled "M92F" (as this page is titled), "M92FS", or even "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". It's just Beretta 92F or Beretta 92FS, exactly as I have just spelled it. If you see a page with the older (mis)spelling, please do not hesitate to correct it.
And considering that this page has grown to include all of the 92 variants (including the SB, Brigadier, Centurion, etc.), it might be time to rename it. I would recommend re-titling the page "Beretta 92-series pistols". Anyone else agree? MT2008
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Why not have more info on the 93R? Give it its own page?
I propose the following info 9 (and an image if possible; how do I place/upload images here anyway?)
The Beretta 93R (full name: Beretta Model 93R) is a selective-fire 9mm machine pistol. The "R" stands for "Raffica" which means burst in Italian. It was designed in the 70s and meant for police and military use, offering extra firepower in a small package. It is perfect for concealed carry purposes such as VIP protection, or for close quarters fighting such as room-to-room searches.
A selector switch and the foldable foregrip allows the pistol to fire three round bursts with each pull of the trigger for a potential cyclic rate of 1100 rpm. The designers limited it to three round bursts to allow it to be more easily controlled. The 93R is basically a Beretta 92 series pistol (the Beretta 92FS is designated "M9 Pistol M9" by the US military, and is the standard issue pistol for the US military). But the 93R is single action and outfitted with a muzzle brake, an optional detachable shoulder stock and a 20-round magazine that also allowed for a firmer grip. It is currently out of production.
The gun has been used in several movies:
- Face/Off a 1997 action movie starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and directed by John Woo.
- Equilibrium a 2002 action/science fiction film written and directed by Kurt Wimmer with Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Christian Kahrmann, Emily Watson and Sean Bean.
Title change
I hope no one minds that I changed the page name, "pistol series" matches more of the titles on other pages and is easier to remember than "Series Pistols". Agreed? -GM
Why separate INOX?
I was just wondering if there were any technical differences between the 92FS and the INOX, other than the slide being stainless.
- Good question. Only because there are so many movies featuring the 92F Inox that if we didn't separate it from the regular 92F, we'd have to put notes about "Inox finish" in parentheses near each. Whereas most of the other Berettas with Inox finishes don't appear in nearly as many movies. -MT2008
What happened to the other Inox pic that was posted a few days ago? Could you send it to me, please? - User:Taurus96
Die Hard and Lethal Weapon
I've looked at a few of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon pages, and there seems to be some confusion about which of the two Berettas on this site was used in each film. So, for future reference: which Berettas were used in the Die Hard films and the Lethal Weapon films? I'll put them up. Thanks. -Gunman69 02:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- What the Beretta page says is pretty much accurate. The first gun was used in both the first Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. See how it has a custom extended slide release (due to Willis being a leftie)? In Die Hard, there are plenty of scenes where it's possible to see that same extension on the slide release (most notably, during the scene where McClane is about to wander through the shattered glass). The second gun was used in the other three Die Hard movies and Demoliton Man.
- Also, I don't know why people keep putting the Die Hard Beretta on other pages for movies which didn't feature that particular gun. It should only be used for pages on movies in which it's actually appeared, no more. -MT2008
- Ok, so the first one was in the first Die Hard and the first Lethal Weapon, while the second was used in the other three Die Hards. Was the second also used in the other Lethal Weapons?
- It's interesting how the Lethal Weapon pistol was the same one from Die Hard. Obviously it was modified for Bruce Willis to use, but didn't Lethal Weapon come out a year prior to Die Hard?
- As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site. Thanks for your help, MT. -Gunman69 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- Also, the Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon was different from in the subsequent films because it had a gold Beretta logo on the grips instead of the black one that matches the grips on the Berettas shown here. Orca1 9904 06:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- the second was used in the other three Die Hards. Was the second also used in the other Lethal Weapons?
- I'm not really sure. When MoviePropMaster took the pictures of these guns, he said he may have got confused what movies they appeared in. But here is a picture of the second Beretta (and its "stunt double") in their display case at Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry:
- You can see that the label next to the gun only mentions Die Hard II and Demolition Man as its movie appearances. But MPM did say he was specifically told that they also brought this Beretta out of "retirement" from the glass case so that it could have a cameo appearance in Live Free or Die Hard (as we mentioned on the page for that movie). I'm not sure if it was in Die Hard with a Vengeance, but that strikes me as unlikely because that movie was filmed in New York and a different armory supplied the weapons for it. I'm also not sure if it was in any of the other Lethal Weapon movies or not. -MT2008
- As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site.
- Hmmm, to me, that's kind of stupid because there is so little difference between the 92F and 92FS. Not to mention that it's rather hard to be sure when one or the other is being used (the 92FS replaced the 92F in production very quickly, after all). But I would prefer that the Die Hard/Lethal Weapon Beretta only be used on pages for movies in which it actually appears. -MT2008
- I think they do this to movies that featured the Beretta that were made in the 80s. If I'm not mistaken, the Beretta 92FS came out in 1990, so they probably think it would be inaccurate to post a picture of the 92FS when the movie obviously used a 92F. -Gunman69 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
- Well that's all a moot point. I Just uploaded two shots of early Beretta 92Fs which can be used generically as opposed to the hero movie guns. Thank you thank you thank you, just leave a tip in the jar........ MoviePropMaster2008 07:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
MPM2008, you deserve a cookie. I have replaced the 92FS image and the Die Hard 92F in a few 80's films. But what is the best year to stop using the 92F? Lethal Weapon 2 came out in '89 and Die Hard 2 '90, they both feature the 92FS. Anything prior to '88? -Predator20 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- The 92FS actually came out in either late 1988/early 1989, so these guns were purchased IMMEDIATELY and used right away, which is rare unless it's a hot and 'hip/trendy' gun like the 92. Prior to 1989 there ARE no 92FS guns. PRior to 1983 there are no 92F guns (The ones in 1983 were actually 92SB-F guns which were the same weapon. There is NO stop use date for the 92F or even the 92S/92SB guns. As you've seen people still grab them from inventory as recently as now in films. Just because the Walther P38 technically stopped production at the end of WW2 (Walther's post war versions were actually named differently) we still see the P38 in films for the past 65 years. So in essence we're just taking a wild guess. The only things we can be sure of is when they are NOT being used (i.e. the year of production is too early for the model to have been sold). But any gun of any age can be used at any time. When in doubt and it looks the same, opt for the 92FS from 1990 on unless you can get a really good look at the shiny grips, then it's a 92F. MoviePropMaster2008 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Awesome work on the new Beretta 92F pictures, MPM2008, they look great!--Alienqueen11 20:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I get what you mean about the 92F still being used today. But like you said unless you can really see the shiny grips or have a really great shot of the slide. You pretty much have to go when the film was made. I haven't handled that many Beretta's I didn't even notice the grips being different F shiny vs FS flat. Here is a pic of my 92F. While the grips look flat, they're shiny it is just my crappy photo skills.
Also wouldn't a history timeline of the changes on the 92 be a good thing for the page? -Predator20 22:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
TEST
original list
- Will Smith as Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville in I Am Legend
- Mykelti Williamson as Sgt. Drucker in Heat
- Liam Neeson as Bryan Mills in Taken
- Undercover Officers in La Haine
- Richard Grieco as Michael Corben(Promotional shots) and Pierre in Teen Agent
- Assassins in 16 Blocks (fitted with suppressors)
- Jason Bose Smith as Little Henry, a carjacker, and LAPD officers in American History X
- U.S. Army Rangers in Black Hawk Down
- Sean Patrick Flanery as Connor MacManus, Norman Reedus as Murphy MacManus, and David Della Rocco as Rocco ("the Funny Man") in The Boondock Saints
- Matt Damon as Jason Bourne in The Bourne Supremacy
- Matt Damon as Jason Bourne in The Bourne Ultimatum
- Diego Sandoval as Empty Gun Man in Desperado (fitted with suppressor)
- Bruce Willis as Lt. John McClane in the Die Hard series
- An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer, Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber, and Alexander Godunov as Karl in Die Hard
- Nicolas Cage as Castor Troy and Dominique Swain as Jamie Archer in Face/Off
- Sylvester Stallone as Jack Carter in Get Carter
- Chow Yun-Fat as Tequila Yuen and Tony Leung as Alan in Hard Boiled
- Chow Yun-Fat as Mark Gor, Ti Lung as Sung Tse Ho, Waise Lee as Shing, Leslie Cheung as Sung Tse Kit, and Triad gang members in A Better Tomorrow
- Chow Yun-Fat as Ken Gor, Ti Lung as Sung Tse Ho, Leslie Cheung as Sung Tse Kit, Dean Shek as Lung Si, Fui-On Shing as Ko's Right Hand Man, Ming Yan Lung as Chong, Shan Kwan as Ko Ying Pui, and others in A Better Tomorrow II
- Chow Yun-Fat as Ah Jong in The Killer
- Chow Yun-Fat as John Lee in The Replacement Killers
- Chow Yun-Fat as Detective Nick Chen in The Corruptor
- L.A.P.D. officers in Heat
- Josh Hartnett as Detective K.C. Calden in Hollywood Homicide
- Kim Bodnia as Harald in In China They Eat Dogs
- Adam Baldwin as Major Mitchell, U.S. military and Secret Service personnel in Independence Day
- U.S. Marines in Jarhead
- Mel Gibson as Detective Martin Riggs in the Lethal Weapon series (fitted with a laser sight in Lethal Weapon 4)
- L.A.P.D. officers and Rene Russo as Sergeant Lorna Cole in Lethal Weapon 3
- Jean Reno as Leon in Leon (The Professional)(Customized with Compensators and Silencers)
- Jared Leto as Vitaly Orlov in Lord of War
- Vin Diesel as DEA Agent Sean Vetter and Larenz Tate as DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks in A Man Apart
- Keanu Reeves as Neo in The Matrix and in The Matrix Revolutions
- FBI Agents and Jackie Chan as Chief Inspector Lee in Rush Hour
- Dennis Quaid as Guy and Stellan Skarsgard as Peter Dominic in Savior
- U.S. Army soldiers in The Siege
- N.Y.P.D. officers in Spider-Man
- L.A.P.D. patrol officers and one of Montel's cronies in S.W.A.T. (the latter being fitted with a silencer)
- Robert Patrick as the T-1000 in Terminator 2: Judgement Day
- Kristanna Loken as the T-X in Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
- U.S. Army soldiers in Three Kings
- Ethan Hawke as Officer Jake Hoyt in Training Day
- Kate Beckinsale as Selene in Underworld (fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto)
- L.A.P.D. officers in Volcano
- N.S.A. agent posing as a robber at the 'diner' in xXx
- N.Y.P.D. officers in X-Men
- Lou Diamond Phillips as Cisco in The Big Hit
- U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S., Sean Connery as John Patrick Mason, and Nicolas Cage as FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed in The Rock (Connery and Cage using one fitted with a tactical flashlight)
- U.S. Army soldiers in Lions for Lambs
- Mark Wahlberg as Bob Lee Swagger in Shooter
- Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan in Demolition Man
- Steven Seagal as Nico Toscani in Above the Law
- Police in Vantage Point
- Steve Carell as Agent 86 in Get Smart
- Scott Caan as Jones in Enemy of the State
- Japanese soldiers in Battle Royale II: Requiem
- Martin Lawrence as Miles Logan inBlue Streak
- Elizabeth Banks as Starla Grant in Slither
- Shinji Mimura in Battle Royale(Film)
- Tom Cruise as Ethan Hunt in Mission: Impossible 3
- U.S. Marines in Behind Enemy Lines
- Rookie Kincaid in Ghosts of Mars
- Clive Owen as Louis Salinger in The International
- Minneapolis P.D. officers in Jingle All the Way
- Omar in Traitor
- Mace in Strange Days
- An assassin in The Sentinel, fitted with a suppressor.
- Detectives Curtis and Anderson in Unknown
- Truck driver in Dreamcatcher
- L.A.P.D. officers in Dragon Wars: D-War
- Andy Whitfield as Gabriel in Gabriel (dual-wielded with silencers)
- The corrupt police officers hired by Dominic Greene in Quantum of Solace
- Kansas City Police officers and detectives in Mad Money
- Jason Statham as Chev Chelios, Art Hsu as Johnny Vang, and LAPD officers in Crank: High Voltage
- A member of the french national police in MR 73
- U.S. Army soldiers in Courage Under Fire
- Esai Morales as Staff Sergeant Stern in In the Army Now
- Ed Harris as Sheriff Pangborn in Needful Things
- Ed Harris as Frankie in State of Grace
- Tengiz Borisoff as Josip Barada in Red Heat
- Sue Price as Alex Sinclair in Nemesis 2: Nebula, Nemesis III: Prey Harder and Nemesis 4: Death Angel
- Barry Pepper as Mike Norton in Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The
- Ben Kingsley as Frank Falenczyk in You Kill Me
- Viktor Sukhorukov as Victor Bagrov in Brother 2
- American cops in Brother 2
- Ben Kingsley as Xavier Fitch and Michael Madsen as Preston Lennox in Species
- Larry B. Scott as Sgt. Charles Biddle in Extreme Prejudice (1987)
- FBI Agents in In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders (continuity error)
Distinction
What exactly is the distinction between the Beretta 92F and the 92FS?
- The FS models have a slide retention device on the frame. Here is a pic showing the slide differences. The FS on top, F on the bottom. --Predator20 19:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Variantons we don't have
We are lacking:
Beretta 92A1: 17 round mag, and a Picattiny-Similar rail under the barrel
Beretta 96A1: Same as above but is chambered in .40 S&W and haves a 12 round mag
Beretta 92FS type M9A1: Basically a civilian M9A1 --Yocapo32 01:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
- Unless those weapons have appeared in any movies or TV shows, I'm not sure we need them on this page. Our goal is to document what appears in movies, not to make a comprehensive list of every variant that Beretta has ever made. As a general guideline, we don't add variants/pictures to a page if we have no evidence that they've appeared in any media. -MT2008 01:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok --Yocapo32 00:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Custom Grips?
I'm in the process of customizing my Beretta, and I've found something that I really like, but I don't know the name of the product. It's the kind of grip in the picture used for the Brigadier Inox, and similarly seen in this image here: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fP72_yZL4Yk/Sseqpb4zlsI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/1IvokqYHl30/s800/DSC_1636.jpg though I'm not sure they're the same brand of grips. Either way, though, does anyone know a company that sells grips like these for the 92FS? Hopefully at a relatively low price? Acora 06:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
- Those look like Hogue grips. They are pretty common. Fairly inexpensive too. --Predator20 08:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Could be better
I just personally think "why would they not do that?" Like getting rid of the rounded trigger guard, or not giving it a M1911A1 style safety. Not to mention they could add about half of an inch to the barrel. I have never been able to find someone who would customize my old 92F, half the time the telling after I told them what I wanted, they would say, "It can't be done." Of course, being I'm stubborn as hell, I kept looking until I just gave up. Are these custom features too much or just can't happen except in my dreams? - Kilgore 05:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
- If you want the "M1911A1 style safety" wouldn't you be better off with an original 92 that has the frame mounted safety versus the slide mounted safety of all the later variants. The trigger guard could probably be reshaped, no problem. But not sure if the alloy frame would cause problems. --Predator20 15:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Or just get a Taurus, they are good guns.--FIVETWOSEVEN 14:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Could someone explain this to me?
What is the benefit of purchasing a Brigadier over a typical 92fs? I have been attempting to research it, and can find no definitive answer.
- Stronger slide. The Brigadier slide is beefed up where the 92fs slide weak point is, at the the locking block area. That's the most common area for them to crack at.--Predator20 15:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you!
Beretta 92SB vs. Beretta 92FS
Aside from the shape of the trigger gaurd, what are the differences between the Beretta 92SB and the Beretta 92FS? -Anonymous
- The SB still had the traditional bluing while the 92F has the Bruniton finish.--Predator20 17:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Could you give more information about the two finnishes? Pros and cons of each, the finnishing process, why they switched?
- The Bruniton finish has the matte black look, it's supposed to be more durable than bluing as most other finishes are. My 92F is a former police gun, made in '87 I think. While it's got some wear. The Bruniton finish has done its job. The finishing process I have no idea. The finish on the frames looks to me like they stayed the same.--Predator20 17:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Could you give more information about the two finnishes? Pros and cons of each, the finnishing process, why they switched?
Grey's Anatomy
In grey's anatomy, season 6 ep 23~24 it looks like the shooter was using either the 92 or the 96 I am not sure which. Can anybody verify? - teckchris
- More likely a 92. 9mm pistols work better with blanks than .40s, and since so many blank-firing 92s are available for use, it doesn't seem likely they would use a 96. I saw the episode in question, but can't remember what the bore size looked like. -Anonymous
LAPD version
Does anyone know if the LAPD (or California Law enforcement in general) is required to abide by the 10rd limit they impose on civilians? I'm pretty sure the LAPD adopted this weapon before the limit was instated, however since it was passed are the uniformed patrol officers required to use the restricted capacity magazines civilians are forced to make due with? -Anonymous
- It varies/depends on the particular state somewhat but generally no, law enforcement isn't limited by the same restrictions as civilians. After all, they do have selective-fire, short-barreled and/or suppressed weapons, and even access to restricted ammunition and other things. I'm pretty sure extra-loaded mags for their service semiautos are part of the deal. In some gun catalogs it states certain capacity magazines are available only to law enforcement. So, yes they can have full 15 (10+) round magazines. I'm not positive as to whether this applies to CA specifically, but I would think so. StanTheMan 23:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
- I find that appalling. SWAT officers certainly should not be required to abide by the same restrictions as civilians as they are more highly trained, do not interact with the public often, and are only called when things really get hairy, but I don't believe patrol officers should be permitted to possess weapons that are forbidden to private citizens, as any situation they might encounter a civilian could be faced with as well, and, because they interact with the general public more, there is greater potential for abuse if the balance of power is too much in their favor. I don't want to sound like some kind of paranoid anarchist, however in principal I don't think the average cop on the street should be able to outgun every citizen he may encounter. Sure 10rds vs. 15rds may not be that big a deal, but it's a slippery slope. -Anonymous
- Again, I'm not too specific about all the uh, specifics. And some vary depending on which state you live in. In any case, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Granted I wouldn't mind so much about them getting a few extra rounds in their semiautos (one of the reasons they went to semiautos in the first place was higher magazine capacity), but I hear you about the rest. 'Special' weapons of the sort SHOULD only be issued/used by SWAT teams and other 'special' units. Unfortunately, some cities/departments don't seem to care much in that regard, especially these days. The LAPD you're talking about is also the same LAPD that issued hundreds of military-surplus M16 rifles to regular patrolmen as a knee-jerk reaction to the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, a decision that still holds effective to this day I believe. Anyway, I still haven't given you a definite answer and can't, so before we continue preaching, perhaps we should wait until we get one, though I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. StanTheMan 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)