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:It's usual problem with tank (and aircraft) weapons in war movies: we know what '''must be''' there but it is very hard to say if there is really used the proper weapon, or some other weapon, or even a movie prop. There are hundreds of screenshots with T-34s, Tigers, Shermans where only a bit of MG barrel can be seen. So we have to take on trust that the MGs are proper ones or write everywhere that it is supposed to be DT/MG34/M1919 etc. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 07:59, 25 June 2012 (CDT) | :It's usual problem with tank (and aircraft) weapons in war movies: we know what '''must be''' there but it is very hard to say if there is really used the proper weapon, or some other weapon, or even a movie prop. There are hundreds of screenshots with T-34s, Tigers, Shermans where only a bit of MG barrel can be seen. So we have to take on trust that the MGs are proper ones or write everywhere that it is supposed to be DT/MG34/M1919 etc. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 07:59, 25 June 2012 (CDT) | ||
=Auxiliary and improvised weapons= | |||
==Smoke Grenade== | |||
[[Image:Stalingrad-Smoke.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smoke grenade on the ground]] | |||
== Molotov Cocktail == | |||
[[Image:Stalingrad-Molotov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:Stalingrad022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier attacking a T-34 tank with a Molotov cocktail.]] | |||
[[Image:Stalingrad024.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Molotov cocktail hitting the tank.]] | |||
Yeah,since when is a Molotov strong enoungh to make a T34/85 blow up?--[[User:VLAD M|VLAD M]] ([[User talk:VLAD M|talk]]) 18:29, 5 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Blow up? Probably not, unless the flames hit the shells for the main gun and is allowed to "cook" them for a period of time for it to actually detonate the warhead. (which in this case it doesnt). I'd put this up to hollywood license. The movie "[[The Winter War]]" has a better scene with the molotov disabling a Russian tank. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 11:06, 6 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:But in a scene(not this one prezented here)a Molotov falls somwehre on the right side near the turret,explodes on the armor,and the tank suddenly BLOWS UP.Logically explanations?--[[User:VLAD M|VLAD M]] ([[User talk:VLAD M|talk]]) 18:14, 9 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
::Well, like I said: Hollywood license, NOT realism! :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 13:45, 11 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
== 7,5cm PAK 40 Looks more like a 5cm PAK 38? == | |||
Seems more like a 5cm Pak 38, what do you guys think? - Hchris | |||
:The empty shell casings look closer to 3 inches. Besides, isn't taking a head-on, point-blank shot with a 50mm gun on a T-34 basically suicide? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:14, 17 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
::I agree with Hchris about it being a PAK 38. Firstly the shield is definitely the more complicated one with the little wings at the end that was used on the PAK 38. Secondly the recoil track on the carriage looks too short for a PAK 40. Thirdly the ammunition has a pronounced shoulder which was on the 5cm PAK 38 ammo but not the 7.5cm PAK 40 ammo. There are other differences, but these ones I can describe without being able to point to stuff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:39, 17 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:45, 11 July 2016
There is only one scene in this movie that pissed me of(concerning guns). During one of the fighting scenes you can see a K98 getting fired with closed but unlocked bolt. :-( Nevertheless this is a great movie, give it a watch. I think there should be subtitled version on youtube. Another recommandable movie that was made a few years before "Stalingrad" is the Finnish "Talvisota"(winter war), which is also pretty good. Greetings from upper Franconia.
Degtyaryov DT
Since we don't actually see the gun, how do we know it's actually there and it's not just a prop tube or something? Does it fire in the movie? --Funkychinaman 07:38, 25 June 2012 (CDT)
- Machine gun on screenshot can be tube. But some tanks fire their machine gun during the battle scene. Unfortunately at this moment i can't give you screenshot to prove it. Bednardos 15:53, 25 June 2012 (EET)
- Here is this tank, which fired a hull mounted DT machine gun
Bednardos 23:21, 25 June 2012 (EET)
- It's usual problem with tank (and aircraft) weapons in war movies: we know what must be there but it is very hard to say if there is really used the proper weapon, or some other weapon, or even a movie prop. There are hundreds of screenshots with T-34s, Tigers, Shermans where only a bit of MG barrel can be seen. So we have to take on trust that the MGs are proper ones or write everywhere that it is supposed to be DT/MG34/M1919 etc. Greg-Z 07:59, 25 June 2012 (CDT)
Auxiliary and improvised weapons
Smoke Grenade
Molotov Cocktail
Yeah,since when is a Molotov strong enoungh to make a T34/85 blow up?--VLAD M (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2016 (EDT)
- Blow up? Probably not, unless the flames hit the shells for the main gun and is allowed to "cook" them for a period of time for it to actually detonate the warhead. (which in this case it doesnt). I'd put this up to hollywood license. The movie "The Winter War" has a better scene with the molotov disabling a Russian tank. Dudester32 (talk) 11:06, 6 July 2016 (EDT)
- But in a scene(not this one prezented here)a Molotov falls somwehre on the right side near the turret,explodes on the armor,and the tank suddenly BLOWS UP.Logically explanations?--VLAD M (talk) 18:14, 9 July 2016 (EDT)
- Well, like I said: Hollywood license, NOT realism! :) Dudester32 (talk) 13:45, 11 July 2016 (EDT)
7,5cm PAK 40 Looks more like a 5cm PAK 38?
Seems more like a 5cm Pak 38, what do you guys think? - Hchris
- The empty shell casings look closer to 3 inches. Besides, isn't taking a head-on, point-blank shot with a 50mm gun on a T-34 basically suicide? --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:14, 17 September 2013 (EDT)
- I agree with Hchris about it being a PAK 38. Firstly the shield is definitely the more complicated one with the little wings at the end that was used on the PAK 38. Secondly the recoil track on the carriage looks too short for a PAK 40. Thirdly the ammunition has a pronounced shoulder which was on the 5cm PAK 38 ammo but not the 7.5cm PAK 40 ammo. There are other differences, but these ones I can describe without being able to point to stuff. --commando552 (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2013 (EDT)