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Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o | Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o | ||
No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber, WHAT A SHOCK! Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec.. Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[PunisherDave]] | No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber, WHAT A SHOCK! Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec.. Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) [[User:PunisherDave]] | ||
==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...== | ==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...== | ||
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Her testimony isn't perfect so think of it as a script error. Like many movies in the 80's, Predator took place in "Val verde" a Hollywood invented place to make the villain, Issabelle says that is happened in Guatamala. just food for though [[Special:Contributions/174.55.154.230|174.55.154.230]] 19:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC) | Her testimony isn't perfect so think of it as a script error. Like many movies in the 80's, Predator took place in "Val verde" a Hollywood invented place to make the villain, Issabelle says that is happened in Guatamala. just food for though [[Special:Contributions/174.55.154.230|174.55.154.230]] 19:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC) | ||
I think the story was just inserted to give the movie some kind of connection to the original Pred films rather than the recent AvP movies. Since it takes place on a completely different planet in a setting where mankind has yet to achieve interstellar transportation, it's kind of hard to connect it to either Pred 1 or Pred 2. But with that said, I agree it would have made more sense that she be familiar with the events in LA rather than those in Val Verde. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:14, 7 December 2011 (CST) | |||
== Man Pack Minigun == | == Man Pack Minigun == | ||
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==Royce's AA-12== | ==Royce's AA-12== | ||
Is it me or are there scenes where Royce fires non Frag 12 rounds? He's obviously using them at the Predator camp, but during the dog attack it looks like he is using some other kind of ammo. [[Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] | Is it me or are there scenes where Royce fires non Frag 12 rounds? He's obviously using them at the Predator camp, but during the dog attack it looks like he is using some other kind of ammo. [[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] | ||
:nope, he does in fact use two different types of ammo. If you look, he has a MOLLE pouch on the small of his back, which most likely has another drum mag, which possibily carrys the Frags. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]] | :nope, he does in fact use two different types of ammo. If you look, he has a MOLLE pouch on the small of his back, which most likely has another drum mag, which possibily carrys the Frags. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]] | ||
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4)What type of grips does he have, they look kind of like pearl or Ivory. | 4)What type of grips does he have, they look kind of like pearl or Ivory. | ||
Not my question above, but how do we know it has an M16-style flash hider? I see no pictures of it here. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 23:32, 31 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:According to a poster on The RPF, the armorer for the film stated that it was a Springfield Custom 1911 with an M16 flash hider. Also, although never drawn it can be seen poking out the bottom of his holster in [http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59385&d=1310863845 some shots]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:59, 1 September 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Hanzo's sword choice == | == Hanzo's sword choice == | ||
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:Well sure, but the Italian mafia are very set in traditions too, that doesn't mean your average soldier in the mob goes around hitting people with a gladius or rapier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (CST) | :Well sure, but the Italian mafia are very set in traditions too, that doesn't mean your average soldier in the mob goes around hitting people with a gladius or rapier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:18, 7 December 2011 (CST) | ||
::It would be pretty cool if they did, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:43, 7 December 2011 (CST) | ::It would be pretty cool if they did, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:43, 7 December 2011 (CST) | ||
:::Yeah, I know, it's just the whole "racial abilities" thing in movies always bugs me. Like if you're an Indian you automatically know how to track stuff, ride a horse and use a bow, but nobody would expect a European to automatically know how to put on a suit of armour or build a steam engine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:19, 7 December 2011 (CST) | |||
::::It ''may'' have been true years ago that the Yakuza used swords as guns were rare in Japan after WW2 as they were banned, but in the last 20 or so years there has been a surge of illegal guns into Japan so I doubt that is the case any more. Regardless, I imagine they would be more likely to carry wakizashis rather than katanas if they were to use swords for anything other than ritualistic/traditional purposes. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:35, 7 December 2011 (CST) | |||
:::::Really, a sword isn't much use to a career criminal short of using it as a torture implement; it's not like a two foot length of metal is particularly easy to hide (similarly, Prohibition-era gangsters hardly ever actually used Thompsons because they were too big to move around easily with), or like anyone who's doing it for the money could afford something that was more than just a length of machined steel with an edge ground onto it that had about as much traditional meaning to them as their couch. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:40, 7 December 2011 (CST) | |||
::::::Can't beat my own unique weirdness of having a alien character wield a Japanese katana in the 25th century in my sci-fi story... :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:27, 7 December 2011 (CST) | |||
I read on IMDB that the use of the sword was the actor's idea. Also maybe he ran out of ammo for the Beretta, he wasn't prepared for extended combat. Kendo, the style used by the actor, is popular in Japan so it's entirely possible that someone from there, even a criminal, might follow the discipline.--[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 15:36, 7 February 2012 (CST) | |||
:Carefull what you '''read''' on imdb, its notorious for having fanboys writing their own imagined versions. My takes always come from my initial reading of the script, i think Hanzo was deeply into the Samurai and the bushido code like some people study and practice various ancient ways of life.In his line of business he uses modern weapons but may be at home he collects these ancient bladed weapons. Then when he sees the Katana he takes it to add to his own personal armoury as he is skilled in its use.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 16:19, 4 July 2012 (CDT) | |||
== Hanzo's Beretta == | |||
I just read somewhere that it is a Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special Beretta 92FS. Anyone want to verify? - [[User:1morey]] July 3, 2012 8:42 PM (EST) | |||
:You mean an airsoft replica of an anime weapon? It's not - our own [[User:Phoenixent|Steve Karnes]] built that gun (he talked about it on this very page, which you should read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:05, 3 July 2012 (CDT) | |||
==Special Trivia== | |||
===Sneak Peak at the new Predators=== | |||
[[Image:Predators18a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nikolai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) gets a face to face meeting with one of the new Super Predators, 'Tracker'. Note that Nikolai's hands aren't empty.]] | |||
[[Image:Predators17a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sneak peak of the 'Falconer' Predator, and the Predator Hound on the Predator "Game" preserve planet.]] | |||
Latest revision as of 10:59, 1 September 2016
Behind the Scenes Images
AA-12
Minigun
Blaser
Custom Beretta 92FS Inox
AKMS
M1911A1
MP5K
http://www.predators-movie.com/wallpapers/wallpaper6_standard.jpg mp5k's have Native American covers on the foregrips, also appears to be linked up to shoulder rigs like Alice's from Resident Evil Apocalypse
Mombasa (Mahershalalhashbaz Ali) , the member of an RUF death squad gun?????
He had a gun, he uses it once, when he put it in the convicts face, does aby body knows what gun was that????, it looked like a 45.
It was a 1911, read the full discussion and youd see Id already covered this, plus sign your posts - Captain Snikt
anyone seen this yet?
wondering if its any good -k9870
nm, noticed its out next week
adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--Smish34 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--86.21.136.74 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.
- Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -Winchester
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. Acora 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -Winn
Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --Captain Snikt 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
i love predator , even the crappie ones with the aliens , and i saw it and i felt that this is the best sequal to date . but of course arnie is the winner."GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" simmons 8492
youtube content
if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.
Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.
How do you know about the guns?
I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? Excalibur01
Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.
From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--The Mercenary 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --Dillinger 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC) [1]
Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--Alienqueen11 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --Dillinger 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) MoviePropMaster2008 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Minigun?
I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --Funkychinaman 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17
Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. Rockwolf66 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --Funkychinaman 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.
I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?
There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.
Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --Sidewinder Forge
haven't seen the movie yet but could be one of these http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-LBE-Harness,53,2.htm http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-Commando-Recon-Chest-Harness,721,129.htm
Royce
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --Captain Snikt 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --Captain Snikt 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure
Technically speaking, nobody in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but carrying and using are two different things. Spartan198 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior
Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --Spades of Columbia 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. Acora 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --Spades of Columbia 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. Acora 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--Spades of Columbia 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.
- It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -Winn
Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters
it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest "is up in the air."
Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o
No matter what variant it is, it is always a Warrior.. It's kinda funny... Its almost like everyone thinks that the only maker of the 1911 is Kimber.... NEWSFLASH GANG! Colt was the first to produce the 1911 and 1911-A1, and then Springfield Armory was the second! not Kimber, WHAT A SHOCK! Smith and Wesson, Wilson Combat, Taurus, Para-Ordnance, and many other companies make 1911's.. and many of the models have tactical rails... and many are made to mil-spec.. Oh, and Kimber has crap customer service.. :) User:PunisherDave
Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this. I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks AND UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
-- Warejaws, March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
- I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--The Mercenary 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.
a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.
Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. Spades of Columbia
true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked
- I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. Spartan198 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
- If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
- I'm talking about snipers. Snipers are hunters, too. Spartan198 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
Replaced Weapons
Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
- Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. Spartan198 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Cartels dont usually stroll around with super high tec wepons. A mp5 makes more sense than an mp7.
I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--Spades of Columbia 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
It's a big budge movie. They coulda gotten the most advanced and obscured guns never seen in movies yet. Excalibur01 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Just because it has a budget doesnt mean it shouldnt be true to its characters, I would hope they would go practical and logical instead of what might be considered "cool".--Spades of Columbia 15:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Just seen it (spoiler warning!)
I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--Captain Snikt 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie Excalibur01 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as "In your face," or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as "You're an ugly motherfucker." - Mikey
- Yeah it's almost as bad as Terminator 3 not having "I'll be back" or "Come with me if you want to live", getting them replaced by "I'm back" and "If you wanna live come with me"... what's up with them not having trademark for the series in them? T.H.M.Christensen
- He doesn't actually say you are one ugly mother fucker. Before his death Nikolai says "Ну и рожа у тебя!", which can be translated as "What a face you got on you!". No mention of either words for mother or fucker, If we are being acurate --Captain Snikt 00:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
- While he doesn't actually say "you are one ugly mother fucker," the Russian line "Ну и рожа у тебя!" is the exact line used by the Russian interpreter as the translation of Arnold's original in the Predator VHS copies circulating in the USSR back in late 1980's (back then, there was literally 1 main interpreter who translated every Hollywood movie pirated into the Soviet Union, in single voice). My guess is Oleg Taktarov actually knew this and suggested the line.
I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.
If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? Excalibur01 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, he's the new Dutch. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a little bit less now... Spartan198 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me! --Captain Snikt 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.GaBoy45 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well Excalibur01 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Anyone knows what the pistol Oleg was using?
-Tokarev? It looked single stack and about the same dimensions, and would make sense, didnt see any clear shots.
-Could it be some 1911 variant? It appeared to have a lot of recoil
I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --Captain Snikt 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a Predator fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. Spartan198 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
i didnt see the doctor twist coming and thought lawrence fishburne would be a main character, not just a small role.
Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --Captain Snikt 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? Spartan198 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon
I did notice that he never shoulders the auto shot, it was really bothering me for some reason, so I watched the movie again, in the opening sequence he seems to have dislocated his shoulder when he fell through the jungle canopy, he pops it back in with an audible snap. Perhaps the recoil is to much for the recent injury to take, I am not sure how much recoil an AA12 packs just trying to give Brody the benefit of the doubt. (Rob)
He does actually shoulder the weapon and fire it. His first 5 or 6 shells during the hound scene were fire from the shoulder then he pulls it down to his hip. And I beleive the reason he goes to the mechete instead of his 1911 is because it took an ass load of ammo to bring down just one using his 12g. What good would a .45 cal handgun do? Isabelle found out! (Reaper)
i love how he actually has them relaod, uses different ammo types and uses the light on his surefire forend. The bound predator was supposed look identical, they wanted a 'classic" vs super predtor battle.
So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--Spades of Columbia 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --Captain Snikt 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--Spades of Columbia 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.
What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--Spades of Columbia 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Cuchillo never fired the 1911. Just his mp5ks.
No, he pulled and fired his 1911 on the Predator Hounds.Humanzie3
Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--Spades of Columbia 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. DKS01 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. Acora 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche Excalibur01 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--Spades of Columbia 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --Captain Snikt 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--Spades of Columbia 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --Captain Snikt 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? Acora 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
The knife is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C -John
The Predators
I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --Captain Snikt 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Hanzo's Beretta
I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. Acora 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different Excalibur01 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. Acora 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? Acora 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. Acora 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
"does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?" I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--Predator20 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. Acora 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ask him User talk:Phoenixent he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--Predator20 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--Alienqueen11 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.
- Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -Phoenixent 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. Acora 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think you can say it's "technically two-toned". The factory Inox finish (stainless slide/barrel and alloy frame) looks almost two-tone, especially in certain lighting conditions. I don't see what's wrong with calling it a Beretta 92FS Inox, assuming it did come with that finish from the factory (instead of being a blued Beretta that was later re-finished). -MT2008 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
I swear uploading pictures to this site is the WORST ! But here you all go...thank me later...
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Unknown 1911
A M1911-type pistol is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.
On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD Black Kimber Warrior's do come with those grips stock. So I m sure thats what it is.
-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.
Your not gonna get slide stamps as the pistol never leaves the holster, though based on the grips and odd magazine butt plate I too say kimber
The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.
Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. BeardedHoplite 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--Spades of Columbia 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.
Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--Spades of Columbia 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--Spades of Columbia 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.
Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!
--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't "standard". It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- User:Warejaws 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--Spades of Columbia 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =(
So who made the final decision on this one and what evidence does he have? And how do you explain the Magazine well that has never been on a Kimber Warrior but for some reason is in this movie?--Spades of Columbia 19:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I concur with this. There is no clear shot of the slide marking showing the Kimber logo here, and there are MANY models of 1911 pistols with coyote brown micarta grips on them aside from Kimber's. This should be classified as an Unknown 1911 Government Model since there is no proof of the pistol even being made by Kimber, let alone being the specified model.
- After seeing the movie twice, I see absolutely no definitive proof that Royce's pistol is a Kimber of any kind. On the contrary, the grips on his gun (which, frankly, are all that we ever see of his gun) are nothing like what is found on a Kimber Warrior. --Clutch 07:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Well I just checked out the licensed toys that are coming out for the Predators film and I know it is only a toy but these companies make sure they get every detail of every part of the character right, there's a picture, not brilliant, but a picture none the less of the toy gun un-holstered and I can guarantee you that the toy company rang the armourer to get it spot on... enjoy link as I can't figure out how to post pictures. GraizeONE. http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/
- While Hot Toys is known for their accuracy when it comes to detail, that doesn't always stretch to the weapons. For example, I believe that their deluxe Dutch figure (from Predator) equips him with an M16A2/M203 combo, when the actual weapon seen in the movie was an AR15/SP1 and a fake 39mm launcher made to look like the M203. --Clutch 19:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- They also gave him a 1911 as a sidearm when in the movie he had a Desert Eagle. Spartan198 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
You can see the compensator sticking out the end of his holster in the above pictures, so they got that part right. K38
- There is a good shot of Royce's 1911 when the group hiding in the complex. You can see the magwell, the grip and part of the compensator. Perhaps a screen capture high-definition would be good on the page. --Charly Driver 17:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Unknown M1911 Variant
When the group finds the dead american, an as-of-yet unidentified M1911 pistol can be seen in his hand, slide locked back.
-- Looks like a standard M1911A1 to me --Warejaws
Disagree. The short grip safety spur, smaller ejection port, and unbeveled trigger cut as well as flatted, sharp cut above the front of the front of the trigger guard suggest original M1911 --Pyrewyrm
Unknown Handgun
Nicholai (Oleg Taktarov) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.
It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.
Im fairly certain it was a tokarev
Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.
It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.
The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.
He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --Captain Snikt 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
-TOKAREV TT33... Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all. The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber. Sad to say but true. Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts. I own one. I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own). The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev. That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean. :?)
The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)
But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --Captain Snikt 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine
No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--Spades of Columbia 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --Captain Snikt 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the above user who says however, not to doubt his knowledge about the TT33 on power, but comparing it to a .45 is just not possible. You're talking about two cartridges that are completely different. The .45acp is large and slow moving (roughly 850fps on average)whereas the 7.62x25 is medium in both of these areas. Also the CZ52 is not more powerful due to its chambering mechanism, however it does allow a person to make loads that are much, much hotter than those for the TT33. I've seen them loaded to ridiculous levels that I swear in anything else would make the gun explode. I guess I'm arguing semantics here, but I didn't want someone who was uninformed to misinterpret his post.
The "Vietnam-Era" Claymore
"When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. "
This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way.
but remeber at the begining of the movie that Royce mention that the sun had not moved scince they got there. there is no way of telling how long a day is on that planet. not to mention the extreme weather changes, hotter than and asia summer during the day and cold enough at night to see your breath (like a desert). it's possible that nolan means seasons in the sense of the weather had changed from summer to fall, etc. instead of like hunting seasons. - 400zombienation
I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there.
There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time.
- For all we know the prey was being dropped in batches. Royce and the first group could have just been the first delivery to the planet for the current season. Ballistics_Expert2
A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.
Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.
- Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -Winchester
It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in "Apocalypse Now" as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - Kilgore 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Winchester is right, Nolan is wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, but also RVN era jungle boots and the sleeveless jacket he is wearing over the scavenged 'predator' armor is a 3rd pattern jungle jacket also from the RVN era, with the arms cut off. The slanted chest pockets give it away. Noland is meant to have been there since he was abducted from the Vietnam war I would suggest. "10 seasons" bearing in mind what Royce says about the sun on the alien planet and the fact it 'is' an alien planet means that a 'season' could be considerably longer than an 'Earth' year. Average age of a US soldier in RVN was supposedly 19. Add 40 'Earth' years from say 1969 when the war was at it's height, then Noland being 59 years old looks pretty accurate to his physical condition and having mental health issues having been around that long! 4 'Earth' world years to 1 'alien' planet year seems do'able. Looks like Noland used the crown off a samurai armor helmet to make up his scavenged 'predator' helmet. Shows how long this hunting has been going on! - Skippy
- well yeah, there was also this guy in the film (Hanzo) who found this SAMURAI SWORD (anybody?) in Noland's hideout...--Warejaws 15:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Pics of Noland here - http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/ev/predators-5-lg.jpg - & here - http://aliensandpredators.tumblr.com/photo/1280/740047511/1/tumblr_l44oyqMAqd1qa1o5z - You can clearly see the Tiger Stripe combat trouser; RVN Jungle Jacket with arms cut off; plus the ancient samurai helmet Noland is using to mount the Predator mask (sorry don't know how to embed the images :\ ) - Skippy
Weapons Cache
i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?
I asked this to but it got ignored --Captain Snikt 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
It was in the script........
But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --Captain Snikt 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree. If it's not in the movie, it shouldn't be on the page. Spartan198 23:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
For future Reference, the supposed grenade launcher that fires a flare is actually modelled off a Gun in the video game, Killzone for the PS2. A single shot, grenade pistol. Only difference is they replaced the two tone wooden and synthetic grip with an entirely synthetic grip.
Draco122 12:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Tattoo
Anybody know anyone with a Alien tattoo? Or a Predator tattoo? 'Cause I'm planning on getting one of each. First I'm gonna get the iconic Alien (pictured below) on my right forearm. Propably then a Predator on my left. Give your opinions and if you know of these kinds of tattoos, give me a yell. Appreciate it. --Warejaws
New Royce Pic
Heres a new pic i stumbed across to help with the ongoing mystery 1911 battle. You can see the compensator poking out of th bottom of the holster so maybe hot toys fig did get the gun right this time?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_dUHqPRiZ0wQ/TBiYcZbpdGI/AAAAAAAAAI0/nmycSlQfTys/s1600/predators-pic-6.jpg
--Captain Snikt 01:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
What is it with this movie and compensators? Spartan198 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
- Or threading for a supressor. -Winn
- Yeah, now that you mention it, it does look like a threaded barrel with a thread protector on it. Spartan198 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok. I did a lil homework and the armourer is named Larry Zanoff, anyone know of him or how to get in touch with him as Royce's .45 is still bugging the fuck out of me--Captain Snikt 03:41, 15 September 2010 (U
Is it just me or is that a M4 flashider on his 1911? (Which look like a Kimber to me )
Pic: http://bagelsncheesey.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/hot-toys-16-scale-predators-royce-figure/
It is impossible to tell the maker of a 1911 by the grip alone...Why do people say it looks like a kimber when all they showed was the grip in a holster...Kimber does not make a model that has those grips with a magwell.
UCP Camo
- Why would Royce have a weapon with a UCP pattern and not wear UCP patterned clothes?
Ahem... one word... Mercenary? K38
Do mercenaries wear whatever they feel like and disregard blending in surroundings?
- Mercs can wear whatever suits them, unrestricted by military regulations ... and SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!! MoviePropMaster2008 22:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
It probably depends where he was when he got captured. Most of the time, you wear camo just so you kinda blend in. If soldiers really wanted to not be seen, they'd all be wearing ghillie suits.
During the film, Isabelle mentions that Royce looked the part for Government Black Ops/Mercenary, perhaps he was given the AA-12 as a trial weapon perhaps? I didn't really get a chance to see what timeline the story is actually based on, in Earth years Draco122 12:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Mercenaries can wear pretty much what their companies (in the case of PMCs) allows them to, the only restriction being they must not wear any camouflage pattern being used by one of the "regular" armies fighting. I guess that doesn't apply to the camo you put on your weapon... Arthan, 2011/05/08
Blaser R93 LRS2
Isabelle (Alice Braga), an IDF sniper, carries a Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle fitted with an Elcan DigitalHunter scope (substituting for the Heckler & Koch PSG1 described in the script). In several scenes, we hear the scope adjusting even though she isn't hitting any of the buttons. Isabelle uses this weapon to take down Predator hounds and uses it to wound a Predator near the film's finale. She also attempts to take down another hunted alien but after what appears to be a great shot at a fast moving target, she notes that she actually missed.
Sorry, but I think that this SIG Sauer Tactical 2 (http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=31&productid=246)
What leads you to that conclusion? -- K 98.118.59.244 23:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
The description from the link says the rifle is by Blaser (synonym probably).
The Rifle is a Blaser R93 Tactical 2 or LRS2 no way to tell without seeing it from te right side. In the US Blaser is marketed by SigSauer.
Hope that picture I got sorts this argument out for you guys. Kode38
and also if you read the paragraph in that link it also says its a blaser . simmons8492
Has no-one else noticed for some reason this rifle seems to give off no recoil whatsoever? - TheTrueNight
- It has no recoil because it's using blank ammunition, like in every single other modern movie ever made. - Mr. Wolf 22:14, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
Strange choice. I don't think the Blaser is even used by IDF. - Sentient6 22:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I just want to add that the Blaser R93/R93 LRS2 is not available in .338 Lapua magnum. The LRS2 is available in 6.5x55, .308 Win and .300 Win. Mag.. The only .338 calibers on the market are the .338 Blaser Mag and the .338 Win Mag but only for the civil R93. This is due to the size of the .338 Lap mag round, which is too big for standard sized gun systems. So the gun used in the movie is a .300 Win Mag or more likely a .308 Win. Source: http://www.blaser.de/Technische-Daten.815.0.html?&L=0 and http://www.blaser.de/fileadmin/editor/produkte/caliber-pdf/Blaser_Calibers_Bolt_Action_DE.pdf
Royce's Knives
After watching the first half of the movie I've seen at least three. The one I really want to know about is the knife on the right front of his vest, under the shotgun shells. And then the machete he uses to kill one of the "dogs".
Thanks for the help.
Judging by the shape of the handle, the saw on the back of the blade and the length of the blade in general, i believe the knife on his chest is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C
The machete of Royce is the same machete seen in the first movie "Predator" carry by billy...
The machete of the first movie is custom handmade by the knifemaker Jack Crain...
Also in 1985 Jack Crain have made the "Life support" set of knives seen in the movie "Commando"
Predator Hounds
Their build seems to go by the philosophy that a strong offence removes the need for a defence, based on the fact that Royce cut one in two that easily while they look like some kinda space-mutant-boar-thingy. T.H.M.Christensen
He only chops its head off, actually. Arthan.
Danny Trejo
why is it that the guns Danny Trejo used in the movie does not appear on his bio page?
- Also SIGN your posts! MoviePropMaster2008 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Look again --Warejaws 21:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Predator 2
Did they retcon away Predator 2? When Isabelle tells the group what she knows about the Predators, she seems to have a lot of info regarding the events of Predator 1, based solely on the testimony of two survivors and no witnesses, yet she doesn't make any mention of the events of Predator 2, which had three survivors and dozens of witnesses. --funkychinaman 20:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I think she had some info on the events of Predator because she came from the village/near the village the thing took place in Pred 1. Or I think, she mentioned something that she was from near where the thing happened. And, no, I don't think they retconned the second one, they just ignored it. Doesn't mean it's not in the official canon. --Warejaws 20:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, she couldn't have been around there, it the events of Predator 1 occurred twenty-five years ago, and she doesn't olook like she's older than 35. Even if she was around that area later, she has a lot of detailed information for what was basically an urban legend. (no witnesses) And she can't be from the area, she's IDF. (Although I suppose she can be a Jewish Guatemalan...) It just seemed weird to me that she would have that much info, but not kick in the fact that "ten years later, a cop in LA claims to have killed one in hand to hand combat, and we captured some of their technology." --funkychinaman 21:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I think she had some info on the events of Predator because she came from the village/near the village the thing took place in Pred 1. Or I think, she mentioned something that she was from near where the thing happened. And, no, I don't think they retconned the second one, they just ignored it. Doesn't mean it's not in the official canon. --Warejaws 20:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Her testimony isn't perfect so think of it as a script error. Like many movies in the 80's, Predator took place in "Val verde" a Hollywood invented place to make the villain, Issabelle says that is happened in Guatamala. just food for though 174.55.154.230 19:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
I think the story was just inserted to give the movie some kind of connection to the original Pred films rather than the recent AvP movies. Since it takes place on a completely different planet in a setting where mankind has yet to achieve interstellar transportation, it's kind of hard to connect it to either Pred 1 or Pred 2. But with that said, I agree it would have made more sense that she be familiar with the events in LA rather than those in Val Verde. Spartan198 05:14, 7 December 2011 (CST)
Man Pack Minigun
Alright, so in the scene where the Predators kill Mombasa and attack the rest of the group, Nikolai can be seen firing his Minigun while walking. He distinctly takes three or so steps while firing the weapon. Furthermore, while he does this you can see the power cables coming from the weapon actually loop around behind the actor and lead back into his backpack. There are no other obvious cables present. It seems clear to me that he was carrying the batteries for the weapon in his backpack. It saves the crew from having to hide the cables or make sure they are just outside of frame and makes things easier... however, if you are going to hide a set of cables that leads to the gun control unit that is being operated by an armorer off set, it doesn't seem like you are gaining much, since, correct me if I'm wrong, but the power source plugs into the GCU, and the GCU is connected to the motor on the gun. If you have the GCU off camera, hooking the batteries up to that is trivial. So the question I pose is: Is it possible that Oleg also had the GCU stuff in his backpack as well, and that the trigger he was squeezing, was live?
I know the armorer for G.I.Joe and Transformers 2 mentioned that the ammo pack they crafted also stored batteries for the gun, which again seems trivial since the firing scenes in both of those films are poorly lit and the shots are framed in such a way that batteries and the GCU could easily be hidden off camera with no problems. Has anybody heard about Miniguns being operated by actors themselves in recent films? Any armorers care to comment?
Royce's AA-12
Is it me or are there scenes where Royce fires non Frag 12 rounds? He's obviously using them at the Predator camp, but during the dog attack it looks like he is using some other kind of ammo. Westernman1987
- nope, he does in fact use two different types of ammo. If you look, he has a MOLLE pouch on the small of his back, which most likely has another drum mag, which possibily carrys the Frags. -Winn
Another question about the AA-12. If you look at the third picture, you can see that the camo pattern looks like it's bending/curving around the ejection port. It makes me think that the camo pattern is some kind of cloth slipped over the AA-12. What are your thoughts?--Gunkatas 16:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
its McNETT Camo Form Protective Camouflage wrap. Its a strtching fabric wrap that sticks to itself and improves your grip on the firearm.--Spades of Columbia 16:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
How did she know?
Okay, so, at one point in the movie, Isabella, an IDF sniper, talks about how a special forces team with a CIA liaison encountered a Predator in the jungles of South/Central America and only one man made it back. This man (Arnie from Predator, obviously) gave a debriefing about the Predator. My question is, how would she know? She's an IDF sniper, for fuck's sake! I mean, she's not an American CIA operative or government official, and they'd be the first to be told, and she's not an American Special Forces operative, who might not even be told about it, since it's definitely not a widespread incident, and they really don't have any reason to think it's gonna happen again. Hell, she's not even an Israeli Government official or an Israeli intelligence officer, who would almost certainly be the only ones told if America even decided to let their allies know about an isolated incident halfway around the world from them. Let's say that America decides to tell their allies, including Israel, for some reason. Why would a lowly sniper be told? She's not important, in the grand scheme of things. She's just a gun on the ground who happens to be a lot better trained then most others. But hell, if she knows, why doesn't Nikolai? He's a Special Forces operative from one of America's allied countries, too! Acora 23:00, 31 July 2011 (CDT)
Since Pred 1 took place in Val Verde (A fictional country), and Isabella mentioned Guatemala, it is most likely a mistake. Unless of course there were two special forces teams (One in Val Verde, one in Guatemala), and there were two predators at the same time (NOTE: This was sarcasm). - User:1morey August 1, 2011 2:09 AM (EST)
If an entire special forces team was wiped out in the corse of what, three days, thats gonna travel around. Im sure the CIA had to enplain a Large explosion (The one at the end of predator) and i wouldnt call russia one of america's allied countries. Theres alot of bad blood between the U.S. and russia.--simmons 8492
Final Fight
The final fight scene seems very similar to the one in Predator. Royce is covered in mud like Arnold, but he is surrounded by fire, is he trying to hide his body heat in the fire? Also, where did Royce get all the grenades that he strapped to Edwin, because he doesn't seem to have any with him.
Royce's Pistol questions
1)He never uses it, even when it seems that it would be the logical choice, like when they are attacked by the dogs and his AA-12 runs dry, he uses his knife to cut off it's head instead of pulling out his 1911 and shooting it.
2)How does he lose the gun?
3)It looks like a Kimber Warrior based on the rear sights and grip safety, can anyone confirm?
4)What type of grips does he have, they look kind of like pearl or Ivory.
Not my question above, but how do we know it has an M16-style flash hider? I see no pictures of it here. --That's the Way It's Done (talk) 23:32, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
- According to a poster on The RPF, the armorer for the film stated that it was a Springfield Custom 1911 with an M16 flash hider. Also, although never drawn it can be seen poking out the bottom of his holster in some shots. --commando552 (talk) 06:59, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
Hanzo's sword choice
I know that Hanzo is a Yakuza and is probably real big on katana's, but when in his situation wouldn't it make more sense for him to keep his Beretta for fighting off the predators. Also, when he duels the predator one on one, did he do it to buy the others some time to escape, or was it an act of honer?
- Really the idea that a Yakuza would necessarily know anything about using a katana is as silly as the idea that a British gang member would know how to fight with a broadsword. Evil Tim 02:43, 7 December 2011 (CST)
Tim you are forgetting that while a Yakuza member is just as modern in education as anyone else they are part of a very traditionalist organization. A member of such an organization would be perfectly comfortable learning to use a traditional cultural weapon and useing it if they had a chance. Plus with the japanese they tend to culturally put the groups needs and goals above their own.Rockwolf66 03:15, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- The yakuza tradition of shortening pinkies stems from swordsmanship. Losing those joints meant having less control over your sword. --Funkychinaman 03:37, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Well sure, but the Italian mafia are very set in traditions too, that doesn't mean your average soldier in the mob goes around hitting people with a gladius or rapier. Evil Tim 04:18, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- It would be pretty cool if they did, though. Spartan198 04:43, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Yeah, I know, it's just the whole "racial abilities" thing in movies always bugs me. Like if you're an Indian you automatically know how to track stuff, ride a horse and use a bow, but nobody would expect a European to automatically know how to put on a suit of armour or build a steam engine. Evil Tim 05:19, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- It may have been true years ago that the Yakuza used swords as guns were rare in Japan after WW2 as they were banned, but in the last 20 or so years there has been a surge of illegal guns into Japan so I doubt that is the case any more. Regardless, I imagine they would be more likely to carry wakizashis rather than katanas if they were to use swords for anything other than ritualistic/traditional purposes. --commando552 05:35, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Really, a sword isn't much use to a career criminal short of using it as a torture implement; it's not like a two foot length of metal is particularly easy to hide (similarly, Prohibition-era gangsters hardly ever actually used Thompsons because they were too big to move around easily with), or like anyone who's doing it for the money could afford something that was more than just a length of machined steel with an edge ground onto it that had about as much traditional meaning to them as their couch. Evil Tim 05:40, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Can't beat my own unique weirdness of having a alien character wield a Japanese katana in the 25th century in my sci-fi story... :| - Mr. Wolf 15:27, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Really, a sword isn't much use to a career criminal short of using it as a torture implement; it's not like a two foot length of metal is particularly easy to hide (similarly, Prohibition-era gangsters hardly ever actually used Thompsons because they were too big to move around easily with), or like anyone who's doing it for the money could afford something that was more than just a length of machined steel with an edge ground onto it that had about as much traditional meaning to them as their couch. Evil Tim 05:40, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- It may have been true years ago that the Yakuza used swords as guns were rare in Japan after WW2 as they were banned, but in the last 20 or so years there has been a surge of illegal guns into Japan so I doubt that is the case any more. Regardless, I imagine they would be more likely to carry wakizashis rather than katanas if they were to use swords for anything other than ritualistic/traditional purposes. --commando552 05:35, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- Yeah, I know, it's just the whole "racial abilities" thing in movies always bugs me. Like if you're an Indian you automatically know how to track stuff, ride a horse and use a bow, but nobody would expect a European to automatically know how to put on a suit of armour or build a steam engine. Evil Tim 05:19, 7 December 2011 (CST)
- It would be pretty cool if they did, though. Spartan198 04:43, 7 December 2011 (CST)
I read on IMDB that the use of the sword was the actor's idea. Also maybe he ran out of ammo for the Beretta, he wasn't prepared for extended combat. Kendo, the style used by the actor, is popular in Japan so it's entirely possible that someone from there, even a criminal, might follow the discipline.--Westernman1987 15:36, 7 February 2012 (CST)
- Carefull what you read on imdb, its notorious for having fanboys writing their own imagined versions. My takes always come from my initial reading of the script, i think Hanzo was deeply into the Samurai and the bushido code like some people study and practice various ancient ways of life.In his line of business he uses modern weapons but may be at home he collects these ancient bladed weapons. Then when he sees the Katana he takes it to add to his own personal armoury as he is skilled in its use.--The Mercenary 16:19, 4 July 2012 (CDT)
Hanzo's Beretta
I just read somewhere that it is a Praiyachat Sword Cutlass Special Beretta 92FS. Anyone want to verify? - User:1morey July 3, 2012 8:42 PM (EST)
- You mean an airsoft replica of an anime weapon? It's not - our own Steve Karnes built that gun (he talked about it on this very page, which you should read). -MT2008 21:05, 3 July 2012 (CDT)
