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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. humanzie3

I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. humanzie3

Not only does a crossbow save on ammo and is silent, crossbow bolts can be retrieved and reused repeatedly before they bend, dull, break, or otherwise can't be used any longer. In effect, Daryl has essentially a near-infinite source of ammunition. As for Rick, I think the Python suits him better. It has personality, the Mark 23... not so much. Spartan198 16:43, 27 February 2012 (CST)

Whoa

I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--Jcordell 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo Excalibur01 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

Crappy dialogue

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off Excalibur01 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --Captain Snikt 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Basset is so damn useless that he hasn't even figured out that Glocks don't come with manual safeties... --Euromutt 07:28, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--Mattattack07 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call that crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--Mr-Jigsaw 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

He also could have meant "Glock 9mm", you know, since "9" is common shorthand for 9mm. When has anyone referred to .45 ACP as "11.43mm"? Hell, I once had a conversation with a Korean War vet about 1911s and when I referred to the cartridge by its dimensions, he had a dumbfounded look on his face and "corrected" me, telling me that the 1911A1 was "a 45, not no 11-something". Spartan198 16:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)

SIG P239

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A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -MT2008 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

P228 because of the slide length. --Predator20 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) MoviePropMaster2008

Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. StanTheMan 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver

Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --Captain Snikt 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. StanTheMan 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --Captain Snikt 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--Captain Snikt 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I could have sworn it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a Ruger SP101. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. StanTheMan 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it could also be either the Taurus Model 617 or possibly a stainless steel Taurus Model 85. Biu it is difficult.--Jcordell 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.GaBoy45 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. StanTheMan 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid here, there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --John 234 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --John 234 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. Rule .303 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. ZombieKiller 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

It's definately not a Ruger SP101. As to the comment of the SP101 being unique with regards to the rear notch site. Nope. All snubbies have that. I have both the Taurus 85 (old shape) and the Taurus 85 Stainless. Looks much more like that due to the unique underlug on the revolver. Also look at the SP101's front. http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/sp101target8.jpg Definately not what we are seeing in these screen captures. Potentpoefie 07:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It appears to be a Taurus 405 to me. Looks large-bored, probably .40S&W so that would match the 405. The front sight is tiny from that back angle which also matches the 405, the cylinder backing plate is the same etc. krispic 21:36 Feb 22 2012

I don't think it is a Taurus 405, or a Taurus 85 for that matter. If you will note this picture [[1]], the revolver seems to have a removable front blade sight, which has obviously been removed. From what I've seen, neither the M85 nor the M405 have removable/interchangeable front sights. Booner63 11:39, 03 April 2014

What kind of tank was that?

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

I'm also reasonably certain the 82nd Airborne Division doesn't have tanks in their TO&E, yet the (un)dead soldier in the tank had an 82nd patch on his left shoulder. --Euromutt 07:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Well i would imagine that in the chaos of the zombie apocalypse lots of soldiers ended up with other units doin jobs they aren't really trained for.

Actually smaller units are frequently attached (I believe the Brits call it seconded) to other units for mission purposes. Some armor battalions spent the whole campaign in France (WW II, 1944-1945) being attached to various infantry units - to include the airborne. After all the elements of the 9th and 10th armor divisions that were in Bastogne during the siege fell under the 101st Airborne for the duration of that battle. Funny how the airborne mafia always seems to forget about all the other troops that fought in that battle. --Jcordell 13:17, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in Zombieland. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on Zombieland states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--Jcordell 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. StanTheMan 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Other comments posted on main page-

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --Charon68 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --Armyguy277 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC) heres a picture

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' is a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. Spanner

Naw, that one they've actually made some modifications to like building up the hull and turret to be more Abrams-like and putting an M1-style bulge over the cylindrical fume extractor. This is just a Chieftain with a fake M2 awkwardly perched on top of the hatch weapon mounting. Evil Tim 09:07, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Looked like a Gulf war era M60 Patton to me painted in tan on the exterior but i think the entire interior is a mock up (too spacious and the floor hatch) scarecrow (talk) 21:59, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

Things I noticed

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--99.48.50.70 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --Yournamehere 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

I rewatched the first episode.

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. StanTheMan 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911. Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

Andrea's gun

I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith humanzie3

I concur. -Winn

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php humanzie3

I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). StanTheMan 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

What kind of rifle did Meryl have?

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions. -AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles. --Jcordell 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Shane's Pistol

Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. humanzie3

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some. -AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster. Mmarlon brando

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

Definitely a 17 in the last episode when shane opens the barn doors and shhots all the walkers he fires too many rounds for it to be a 19

This is getting tiresome now, stop identifying guns based on the amount of rounds that they fire! It's a TV series where in editing they can easily make a 15 round magazine last for 80 rounds (see John Woo films) --cool-breeze 05:27, 2 January 2012 (CST)

Merle

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

Guts

I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --AdAstra2009 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. humanzie3

Did you also notice that his Colt Python is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --Jcordell 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC

Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --Jcordell 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --Jcordell 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--Jcordell 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back Excalibur01 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--FIVETWOSEVEN 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! Excalibur01 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. Acora 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. That's One Angry Duck 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. Acora 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

Vatos

Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. humanzie3

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. humanzie3

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC

Daryl's Crossbow

Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes. Mmarlon brando

Picture added and changes made. --Jcordell 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Was that an XD?

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD. -AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides Excalibur01 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Rick Grimes (Andrew Lincoln) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--Jackie.45Cal 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?simmons 8492

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .simmons 8492

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.simmons 8492

It's not a P228. The screencap doesn't show it well, but I checked the episode again, and it's possible to see that it has the squared trigger guard of the P226, rather than rounded, as on a P228. -MT2008 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Faking recoil

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--FIVETWOSEVEN 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-simmons 8492

Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--FIVETWOSEVEN 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --Predator20 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

DShK heavy machine gun?

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--FIVETWOSEVEN 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --Charon68 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. Angel_956

Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --AdAstra2009 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe somebody "requisitioned" (read: looted) it from the National Infantry Museum or Fort Benning; both are in or around Columbus, GA, which isn't exactly close to Atlanta, but it's the closest place I can think of where you might plausibly find a DShK. When you need more HMGs, you grab what's available. --Euromutt 20:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Weird though, since they obviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --AdAstra2009 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, those M2HBs are still there in episodes 2 ("Guts," when Grimes escapes from the tank) and 4 ("Vatos," when Glenn goes to retrieve the Bag O' Guns) and they pass at least two M2HBs on the way to the CDC's front door after they pass the DShK. They weren't just there for the pilot. --Euromutt 09:18, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

My thought was militia that made a last stand with the army to protect the people gathering at the CDC (notice the weapon is surrounded by bodies in civilian clothes), the DShK having been purchased by one of the members (legitimately or otherwise) and subsequently put to use following the outbreak. - Wolfblade670

Maybe the Russians dropped in tom VDV to help protect the CDC. -Jakezergling

I, umm, highly doubt that... - Mr. Wolf 03:30, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, Russia would have enough trouble fighting the Walkers on their own turf, considering that Russia is easily 2 times the size of continental United States. Besides that, do the Russians even use the DshK anymore? I do believe it's been phased out by the Kord since the late 90s/early 2000s. Spartan198 18:18, 27 February 2012 (CST)

Daryl's knife

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? Acora 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's actually a Busse Combat Team Gemini with a bead blasted finish and black and tan layered g10. Gerber is now supplying knives to the show as well, as seen in the season 2 premiere when Carl finds a full roll in and abandon vehicle. The list of models is on their FB page. Mmarlon brando

I would agree that Daryl does have a Busse Combat Team Gemini. A clear profile-type photo of Daryl's knife was featured in the "story sync" for the eighth episode of the second season on the AMC website. Here's a link to that image: http://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/208-17.jpg --Kepiblanc 12:24, 23 February 2012 (CST)

What kind of gun did he give Morales?

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

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I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

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Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

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I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 humanzie3

Rick's second shotgun.

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

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We still have Merles bolt-action as well. -AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

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Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly: http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel. -The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump. -The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow). -The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --Yournamehere 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --Warejaws 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - MarkXIX

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --Yournamehere 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Rick's shotgun, from the end of Vatos and on, was a Pardner Pump, but I don't think it was a 20 gauge. Sometimes, hunting model guns can have the vent-rib barrel cut down, to where it is a riot shotgun. I see that as being more plausible. --1897Reloaded 11:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Think its funny

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

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It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

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When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --Armyguy277 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

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Well it is a show about the dead walking around and eating the flesh of the living. I'm willing to overlook the amazing skill that Rick displays with headshots.--Jcordell 17:28, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

Question about Shane's shotgun technique

Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. That's One Angry Duck 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. Spartan198 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--FIVETWOSEVEN 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

My dad has one on his 870.--FIVETWOSEVEN 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances simmons 8492

Considering the US military teaches you do to that with a M4, the stock is pretty much the same as the M4 so I could see why he's doing it. Also I don't get the feeling that any of the actors are really inexperienced, they all seem to be trained well in regards to weapons. Least Rick and Shane do.Bristow8411 22:18, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Series Finale

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG. I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --Captain Snikt 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--Mr-Jigsaw 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--FIVETWOSEVEN 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. Ballistics Expert2

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --Armyguy277 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

To Do List.

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout. 2. Morgans revolver. 3. Merles rifle. 4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns. 5. The gun given to Morales. 6. Daryls handgun. 7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19. 8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590. 9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

Short Season Huh?

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. 67.187.27.89 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--Burgershot621 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. humanzie3

Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt 109.157.4.163 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Daryl has proven so popular that he's actually being written into the comic. Spartan198 01:15, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

Popular Cop Guns

An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life." This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--MarineCorps1 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.

There aren't too many police depts issuing the Beretta 92F anymore, even though Hollywood still shows them being carried by cops. Anyway, Glock holds just under 2/3rds of the U.S. law enforcement market, SIG-Sauer holds about 1/3rd, and a number of other makes (S&W, H&K, Beretta, etc.) are constantly fighting each other for what's left. -MT2008 16:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --nkingman

Ah, that's right. Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.) Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim

There was once a time when the S&W Model 15/67, the S&W Model 13/65. Colt Official Police, Ruger Six Series revolvers, the S&W Model 19/66 and the Colt Lawman/Trooper Mk III were also very popular Cop revolvers.--Jcordell 14:40, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Glocks, S&W M&Ps, SIGs, HK USPs, S&W 5906 (4506, etc) are known for being "cop guns", Glocks IIRC are used by 60% of the police force in the US so its kinda hard to compare

Flash suppressor on M4A1

Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?

I thought it was a nongun.--129.89.179.105 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)

Just for reference,

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M4A1 Non Gun

--commando552 11:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a Non Gun M4. Look at the range at which he's shooting at his comrades. Blanks are dangerous if an actor is shooting at other actors who are that close, so they probably had to use the Non Gun instead. -MT2008 15:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the Aimpoint M68 CCO (in this case I believe it is a Comp M2 or ML2) can be used with the foreward lens cover closed. Used in this method, it forms an occuladed eye-sight, which were one of the first types of weapons optics employed. Using an occuladed eye-sight is very similar in principle to the BAC method employed in some Trijicon ACOGs, both eyes are left open and due to the way the brain processes images from the eye, what the left (or right eye sees) downrange has the red dot from the other eye (which is looking down the sight) superimposed on it. This is useful as there are rumors that the red dot (particularly in the Aimpoint family) can in fact be detected from in front of the weapon due to the intensity of the light, espiecially in night battle conditions. So the sceintist might really know what he is doing, but it is just as likely it was a mistake by the prop department.SAWGunner89 22:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I liked Rick's reaction when he pulled the pin on the grenade in the last episode

He was thinkin "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and then hauled ass outta there haha. I liked that little detail, along with him getting knocked off his feet as he tried to get as far away from it as possible, instead of the clichè "walk slowly towards the camera as a bomb goes off behind you with a bad-ass grimace on your face". This show had a lot of nice little details like that. That's One Angry Duck 03:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)- Yeah but its a grenade bro, you have like what 7 seconds so you can't walk away slowly from it..and also the building was about to total..-jake

Yeah, I liked that too. i hate when like the everyday joe can slowly walk away from a huge explosion,Simmons 8492

I like the way that he pulled the pin and had the "Oh my GOD!" moment when he suddenly realised that he needed to run fast. --cool-breeze 07:49, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

Lol, my friend was like that fuse is burning wtf is he doing? chilling?

Season 2

Anyone seen the trailer yet for the second seaons? It's been out for a few weeks now. I jus--Jcordell 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)t thought it was interesting that it hasn't been mentioned here.--Jcordell 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

I don't have the equipment for getting screencaps from TV, but the revolver Daryl took from the camper who committed suicide looks like either a Colt Cobra or Detective Special. The structure doesn't look right for being a S&W Model 10 or Model 36/37. And the slender grip profile and lack of an ejector rod housing eliminates the possibility of it being a Taurus. --Ballistics_Expert2

I was rewatching the season 2 premier episode and I noticed something that irked me a bit concerning the scene at the tent where Daryl found the Colt revolver. This is a series known for a great deal of firearms safety and consideration. But here we have an example of typical Hollywood gun handling. Nobody checked to see how many live rounds were in it, they just assumed it was still loaded and ready to be used. For all we know Daryl handed Laurie an empty weapon for taking on the trail back to the RV. --Ballistics_Expert2

Gerber Bag of Knives

Carl (Chandler Riggs) found this bag in the first episode of the second season which contained six different gerber tool knives and machetes.

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So long as you use a knife, there's still a little love left.

In the Season 2 props video on the AMC website, they explain the endorsement and show some of the gear. The prop master also gives a look at Rick's character specific items, which includes a DMF Folder. --Mmarlon brando 15:58, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

Some of this bag is anachronistic though, as the knives were not invented until after the zombie apocalypse destroyed humanity, and presumably the Gerber factory. --commando552 19:21, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

How do you know that though? As far as I can remember there hasn't been a date mentioned for when the zombie apocalypse happened, it could be set in the very near future. --cool-breeze 01:30, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

What I meant is that some of the knives have been released since the series started airing, and I'm assuming that the first episode wasn't set in the future. --commando552 04:41, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

Fair enough. I do think of it like well they haven't really set an actual date on when it occurs so anything "new" that shows up in the show is either there to look cool or it's there for some sort of product placement. --cool-breeze 12:33, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

Or both. --Jcordell 12:35, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

Touche --cool-breeze 18:08, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

Morgan's Revolver

The revolver that Morgan uses is a S&W model 60

It can't be the Model 60 because of the curved ejector shroud. SmithandWesson36 13:38, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Season 2 spoiler-ish descriptions

I feel like a lot of the description "updates" on the guns used (or re-used, as applicable) in Season 2 are giving too much info away. Definitely enough to qualify as spoilers to some people (like me). One shouldn't need to narrate the scene and context in which the gun appears, at least not to the extent some of the descriptions are- especially if it's giving away future happenings.

M4

I think the caption about the doctor not noticing the covers for the M68 is a little of a moot point. The doctor stated he wasnt familiar with the weapon, and simply picked it up when soldiers started dying or running away. -MissySummers-

Dave and Tony's guns

In the eighth episode of the second season - "Nebraska" - two newcomers walk into the bar where Rick and Glenn found Hershel drinking alone. The strangers introduce themselves to Rick, Glenn, and Hershel as Dave and Tony. I had a difficult time identifying these two guns that Dave and Tony had. Dave's gun looked to me like it might be a SIG-Sauer P226. Tony's gun looked to me like it was some sort of sawn-off double-barrel shotgun - maybe an over/under style double barrel shotgun too. Did anybody get a good look at either one of these guns? Kepiblanc 12:52, 21 February 2012 (CST)

After watching the episode "Triggerfinger" it looks like hershel picked up Dave's pistol which looked to me like a SIG-SAUER P228 to me. And the big guy had a cutdown pump shotgun that I think was a Remington 870 and Rick was duel weilding it with his Python when they left the bar. The kid on the roof appeared to a have a bolt action rifle but it never showed a clear pic.

I just watched the "Nebraska" and "Triggerfinger" episodes again back to back. I would have to agree with you now on Dave's gun. It appears that Dave actually did bring a SIG-Sauer P228 into the bar in the "Nebraska" episode. I got a better look at this gun in the "Triggerfinger" episode when Hershel was armed with it. I could tell this gun was a P228 because the trigger guard was curved instead of hooked like the P226 has, plus the barrel and slide on this gun were shorter than what the P226 has. I looked very closely at Tony's shotgun too, but I don't agree with you on this one. There's no way it could have been a Remington 870. I would still say that it is a sawn-off, over/under, double barrel shotgun. (Just my opinion here, but a sawn-off shotgun would be a piss-poor gun for defending yourself against a zombie horde that is coming at you. The shot spread pattern on a sawn-off shotgun would be way too wide to be effective on any zombie's head beyond short range, and it's better to kill multiple zombies from a distance than at point blank range, right?) I also noticed that Glenn had Tony's shotgun later on in the "Triggerfinger" episode. I agree with you about that the kid on the roof though - he sure seemed to have a bolt action rifle with a scope mounted on it. What happened to it is the question now. Kepiblanc 15:59, 22 February 2012 (CST)

I just watched it again and I swore I heard a cocking sound so that could make it a pump action shotgun. You were right its not a pump action i believe its a over/under gun. Balin21

TV shows and movies usually have the cocking sound effects for guns added in for dramatic purposes. (For example, it seems that we often hear the cocking sound effect every time the script calls for one character to point a gun at somebody or something. In real life, guns are normally silent when this happens.) The Walking Dead seems to be just such a TV show. I don't know how to screen capture this yet, but I paused episode 208 at the 43:15 mark. I could clearly see the underside of Tony's gun there, and I did not see things on this gun such as a loading port, or a slide piece, both of which would be consistent with a pump action shotgun. It was all dark on that part of the shotgun instead, which to me seems more consistent with a double barrel, over/under, break action shotgun than with a pump action shotgun. --Kepiblanc 12:55, 23 February 2012 (CST)

I couldn't get a good look at Tony's shotgun in either "Nebraska" or "Triggerfinger". At first glance it looked like a cut down Winchester 1887 (like in T-2). I was wondering if anyone else happened to think that too? Also it almost looked like it had a synthetic stock on it which made me think it could have been the Chiappa T-Series 1887, but I don't know if those are availible yet, but again I didn't get a good enough look at it.--Fenderfiver03 20:10, 23 February 2012 (CST)

It is a sawn off over and under (although it may be purpose made as it appeared to have a front sight present). You get a look at the gun when the guy gets up to piss, and after he is shot you see a front view of the gun showing that it is two open barrels rather than a barrel with a magazine tube underneath. --commando552 20:37, 23 February 2012 (CST)

You're right. After rewatching the episode online and pausing just after he gets shot I could see the two barrels and also could see there is no lever either.--Fenderfiver03 22:57, 23 February 2012 (CST)

Tony's shotgun looks VERY much like the MOSSBERG HS12 after another look at episode 9. When Rick searches Tony's pocket and picks up two (probably 12-ga) shotgun rounds, you can clearly see the Top/Locking Lever for opening/locking the breech contrasted against the background. In the shot just before that you can see a Picatinny or Weaver rail on top of the receiver. This clearly says "HS12" to me...and though it pretty clearly does not have a rail on the bottom of the under barrel, not all HS12s have the under-barrel rail, I think. --dryfireandy 27 Feb 2012

Had to Google Mossberg HS12, and I must admit I giggled a little bit at the concept of a "tactical" over/under. I watched the episodes in question the other day, and from memory at least I'd have to agree with you. It'd be nice if someone could post a picture, though.... Krakydak 18:05, 27 February 2012 (CST)

I will try to get an appropriate screencap uploaded; ditto for the Sig P228/229 to help resolve that one. PS "tactical" double-barrels have made ground in the last couple years or so- check out Stoeger's "tactical" SxS...just remember to bring your barf bag- they're charging the same prices for one as you'd see for a good 870 or Mossy pump. Outrageous! In any case, stupid people waste their money on them- but I digress. Tony's apparent choice of shotgun bespeaks his desperation and/or seriously limited tactical reasoning ability- which I guess we already could've figured out around the time his body hit the floor. =P --dryfireandy

Does the Mossberg HS12 come with sling swivel studs? I noticed that Tony was carrying his shotgun by a sling that was looped over his shoulder. Since the buttstock of this shotgun had been sawn off, there was no way to just let it hang there - he had to keep holding onto the sling with his hand instead. --Kepiblanc 09:00, 29 February 2012 (CST)

What caused it?

Does the comic ever reveal what the cause of the outbreak was? I'm not asking for spoilers as to what the cause was, I'm just asking if it's ever revealed, like a "yeah, they find out what it was" or "no, they build a rocket ship and fly to Mars to restart human civilization", or something like that. Spartan198 16:59, 27 February 2012 (CST)

I don't think any reason has actually been given, and Robert Kirkman (writer of the comic) has stated that he doesn't plan to ever give a definitive cause. In the comic characters have speculated that it is caused by a virus that everyone in the world is infected with that causes them to reanimate after death. Because I've read the comic I already knew this so can't remember if it is made clear in the series, but it is the kind of zombie apocalypse where everyone who dies turns into a zombie, even if they die from non zombie causes (zombie bites cause infections that are 100% lethal). --commando552 17:10, 27 February 2012 (CST)

For Example a certain Main Character is shot dead at the end of the first book (in the comic they never went to the CDC, instead they just got the guns and left, but before they left the character is killed) and later in the series (maybe a book or two later, Rick returns to the place where they buried said person, and he was a zombie even though he had died by a bullet and not bite/scratch --Smish34 09:34, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Unidentified pistol

In the most recent episode, S02E11, Carl takes a pistol out of Daryl's bike. Presumably it is the same pistol Daryl used in episode S01E4. There were some pretty clear shots of the pistol when Carl is holding it, looked like a Browning, but I could be completely wrong. --Animalmenace 23:51, 5 March 2012 (CST)

It was a Browning BDA, not sure if this is the same gun as in S01E04 as it looks like that has a larger beavertail on the back of the grip, but is hard to tell from the shots available. --commando552 06:56, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Shotgun stock?

What type of stock is on Shane's shotgun? --Zombie Killer 1995 09:24, 6 March 2012 (CST)

It says on the main article, a KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock. --commando552 11:40, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Daryl's pistol

I think Daryl's unidentified pistol might be a CZ-75 series, the frame/grips seem to match it as does the general size.

Looked more like a Browning Hi-Power to me. --cool-breeze 13:18, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Yeah, I concur with Cool-breeze. Spartan198 01:41, 7 March 2012 (CST)

Looked more like a Browning BDM to me.

Hey, it does not really matter at this point as the stupid kid loses in the leafs and then books it..

He didn't lose it in the bushes. But even if he had, it still matters what it is, considering the purpose of this website. Spartan198 15:22, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

That actually seemed to best the best look at the handgun we see and it appeared to be a Browning Hi-Power to me as well.Bristow8411 22:15, 8 March 2012 (CST)

People are talking about two different guns here. The easily identifiable one is the one that Carl takes out of Daryl's saddle bag in the most recent episode, which is definitely a Browning BDA. There is also the pistol that only the grip is seen sticking out of his waist band in S01E04, which I think is a different pistol. One of the only features that you can make out on this pistol is that fact that it has a prominent beavertail/grip spur at the back which is does not match the BDA or BDM. Hammer is wrong for the Hi-Power, my best guess would be a CZ-75 from the relationship between the hammer and the grip spur but it is not possible to tell from this pic. --commando552 04:57, 9 March 2012 (CST)

GUN SENSE

Their for sure would tons of M4'S and possibly m16a4's lying around in the streets of Atlanta with moer Berettas. Why does no one go for one and why do they not ask jenner for some. Would an assault rifle not be good to kill hordes of undead? Also why did rick not get on the .50 on the tank and take out some before. Even when I see police cars don't they raid them. The only time I have seen anyone do that is when Shane and Otis use the flares from the cruiser to distract the walkers..And yes I know it is a scripted show.

Don't forget that the show starts a while after the zombies take over so any M4s,M16s, etc would have already been scooped up from the Atlanta streets, at least the ones people could get before the city was overrun. And they didn't ask Jenner for any because an assault rifle is actually quite cumbersome and the ammo could weigh them down even more then they already are. Also it would be pretty hard to find any ammunition for M4s/M16s as that doesn't seem to be a commonly used weapon in this show beyond the military. They don't search cop cars because as I stated, the show starts a while after the initial overrunning of cities so if people had any brains, they would have raided cop cars a long time ago. As for the Beretta statement, it seems like that is more of a military firearm as well and not a police weapon, plus they can't search every single corpse they find in the city. As to the .50 cal on the tank, notice how fast the zombies crawled on top of the tank? Rick would never have lasted, plus I don't believe there was any .50 ammo in the tank, nor in the gun. Bristow8411 22:14, 8 March 2012 (CST)

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Sorry I'm new at posting on here. Good point I forgot it starts 2 week after the outbreak. But I was thinking if Otis and Shane both had automatics it may have ended differently. Also we do Rick's beretta again with Shane and Andrea in the housing developments she has it no and perfers it to her ladysmith. And as to the .50cal their was one zombie when he came out to escape he shoveled it in the face. The .50 just is a bad idea in my opinion caue its one loud mother. Also I don't understand why people carry bolt actions around, look what happend to Dale. Imagine how smooth the show would run if everyone had silenced weapons. One more thing, is anyone else hoping for the variety of guns to switch up? We know that the kid's camp has 30 men+(jude,jury,executioner)so assuming Rick's group comes up on top cause the shows been renewed for season 3. Will they get some real artiliery? (User:n Gunfan1996)

If I remember in the first episode, Rick did bump into a tank and I coulda sworn I saw ammo in that 50 cal, but it is a bit heavy for one to carry. An Assault Rifle plus ammo is not heavy at all. A shotgun with ammo is actually more heavy and cumbersome to carry and limited range 12:46, 9 March 2012 (CST)

There was no ammo in the tank gun.

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A closeup of the mounting; note that the mounting is designed for the L7 GPMG, an FN MAG derivative, and the fake M2 simply sits on top of it. Compare to the real M2 in the foreground of the shot above.

Besides, Rick was on horseback. What's he going to do, mount the .50 on the head of his horse? And it's also worth noting that he didn't have any weapons that used that ammo. A belt of .50 would be dead weight (no pun intended). Spartan198 15:37, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

Still dunno why Rick uses a Python though, those .357 rounds are LOUD. Personally, I hoped someone had scooped the Doc's M4 up on the way out of the CDC, oh well.... --Geckcgt 01:14, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

WOW!!!!!!! AWESOME ENDING (SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!)

I couln' resist saying how awesome i thought S02: E12 was. That was the way to kill off Shane. Plus with the cool remix of the theme song playing as you see an army of walkers walk out onto the field. Just saying, I think Hershel or Maggie will die in the season finale. For those who missed it, here's a link: http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/talked-about-scene-episode-212-the-walking-dead-shanes-last-stand --Yo dawg 111 14:51, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

Yep pretty good. I knew that eventually Shane was going. If I remember the comic book correctly it was Carl who killed Shane when he was going to kill rick and then Rick finished him off when he came back as a walker. So in the television show they reversed that. Liked the ending. I wonder if next season they will deal with the Governor and the Prison? --Jcordell 15:30, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

If you search for news of the show, te actor has already been cast, looking forward to the next season.--Dillinger 17:14, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

The Governor has indeed been cast and no it is not Merle. Bristow8411 17:55, 12 March 2012 (CDT) [[2]]

Nothing you guys said makes any sense because i don't read comics. Don't tell me though. I'm going to read the comics after the series finally ends. I know a friend with the complete collection who sai he is going to sell it along with DVD copies when they all come out. I WANT THAT!!!!! Check on ebay after the series comes to an end.--Yo dawg 111 18:56, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

All I'm wondering is why did they make it so all you have to do is die to become a zombie instead of being bitten/scratched? Do they explain this as well? ZombieKiller 10:00, 13 March 2012

Almost every zombie story I've ever read, movie I've ever seen, or game I've ever played has it the same way as The Walking Dead TV series and comic book has had it - When a person dies for any reason, that same person later becomes a zombie, unless their brain has been damaged or destroyed first. So far, no explanation has been given as to exactly how this happens. My guess would be that it's all due to an airborne virus. --Kepiblanc 10:56, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

Can anyone identify the knife Rick used to finally put Shane down? Was it one of the Gerbers seen frequently throughout this season, or something else? I couldn't get a close enough look.--Mmarlon brando 15:35, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I paused S02/Ep12 at the 39:09 mark. That was where I could get the best look at this knife. As best I can tell, Rick used a Gerber DMF folder on Shane. I think Rick has had that same knife all throughout Season 2. --Kepiblanc 13:19, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

I also wanted to know about a knife from episode 10 of season 2 (18 Miles Out). The knife in question is the one that Rick leaves for Randall to use. I don't know if it can be seen any better in any other episode but I know that Randall does eventually use it and I think I remember a few semi-close up shots of it.

Yes, there are a few close-up shots of the knife Randall uses in Episode 10 of Season 2. It appears to be a sheath knife without any serrations on the blade, finger grooves on the grip, and a clip point. I checked the official Gerber website, but I was unable to see any knife pictured there which resembled this one. --Kepiblanc 19:20, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

On the actual subject of the firearms used in the finale, I think Lori uses the Charter Arms Pug that Carl had earlier in the season. Daryl used a revolver I couldn't ID.... Looked like a .38 of some kind with a 4 or 5 inch barrel, but I'm not sure. Krakydak 22:02, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

To add to that, Glenn was seen using Shane's Mossberg with the M4-style stock in the finale. (Shane no longer needed it.) Hershel was also seen using, what I believe is the Remington 870 Wingmaster used by Dayrl in "Vatos"

The revolver Daryl used, if it was Dale's revolver i think it is a colt of some kind, although I cannot get a good look, in one of the earlier episodes you can see the grip under Dale's shirt, and it looks like there is a Colt medallion near the top, not sure though.--Awaler32 09:42, 25 August 2012 (CDT)

Logo on Carl's shirt

This is way off topic for IMFDB, but the logo on Carl's shirt in the episode "Better Angels", a black bear paw in front of a red atom, I know I've seen it elsewhere but I can't place it. At first I thought it was the old Blackwater logo, but the BW logo is a black bear paw in a red scope crosshair. Does anyone recognize it? Spartan198 19:13, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

The logo on Carl's shirt is for "Science Dog" - another comic book by the creator of TWD, Robert Kirkman. The comic book version of Carl has this same exact logo on his shirt too. Adding this level of detail to Carl's wardrobe in the TV series was a nice touch, I would say. --Kepiblanc 07:01, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

The guns of the survivors

Way back in episode one of the series we see Rick load up all of the available weapons from the precinct's armory for his journey to Atlanta. And while we've had about 18 episodes to ask the question we really haven't yet. If they weapons came from the police armory why do a good portion of the long guns appear to be hunting firearms? The Browning BAR, the Remington 700, the Remington 870 and such look out of place in the right context.

- Well, I think that the older wooden-furniture Remington 870 and the Remington 700 can be explained, as it is a small, rural County Sheriff's Office in Georgia. Before the widespread distribution of tactical sniper rifles, M16's and M4's across America's police departments, police were using other weapons, such as the Remington 700 and the Winchester Model 70 for that purpose. Also, we see Rick gathering up the weapons AFTER the outbreak. The Sheriff's officers could have grabbed the new firearms and left the older ones, which would still be in the armory for storage and reserve purposes. If the story was broadened, it would probably show the other Sheriff's deputy's taking tactical rifles and carbines to employ them in the field. Scattergun

One thing that always struck me as "unrealistic" about TWD has been the types and and amounts of guns depicted in seasons 1 and 2, along with the feelings of some of the characters toward guns. The setting for this show all along has been in Georgia, which in real life is a "red" pro-gun southern state with a longtime history of private gun ownership among a large percentage of the population. So far on TWD however, the way in which guns have been depicted seems somewhat more as if the show's setting has been in a "blue" anti-gun northeastern state like New Jersey!

In real-life Georgia, I have no doubt that there are many civilians who own at least one semi-automatic rifle chambered for a military cartridge and a few high-capacity magazines for it, and that number probably increased by even more after Obama got elected in 2008. Bearing this in mind, I can't see why there would not have been at least a few people in that survivor's camp outside Atlanta during season 1 armed with something more than just hunting firearms and handguns. The two "redneck" characters in season 1 - Merle and Daryl - they would have both had tactical-type rifles and hidden caches of ammunition for them if it had been up to me. Rednecks in real life have been stockpiling ammunition ever since Obama got elected. Plus, seasons 1 and 2 have had two former cops in the group - Rick and Shane - but neither one of them have ever seen the need to acquire better firepower. There were M4's and other weapons scattered all around the outside of the CDC in season 1, but nobody thought to pick any of them up. If I had been Rick, I would have been constantly telling everybody else in the group all throughout seasons 1 and 2 to keep gathering up guns and ammunition whenever possible. That one black bag Rick loaded up at the police station's armory in the first episode of season 1 could not possibly have held enough ammunition to last all the way to the end of season 2.

Then there were the anti-gun sentiments among some members in the group - Lori in season 1 and 2, and Hershel in season 2. Lori's objections to her son Carl learning how to shoot struck me as being a bit odd. Lori is supposed to be a housewife from a small town in the South who is married to a cop, not a soccer mom with a career from a liberal anti-gun upbringing. Being that Carl is the son of a southern small town cop, I think it would have been more realistic if he had already learned a few things about shooting from his dad Rick long before the outbreak. Hershel's attitude towards guns struck me as being most odd. Hershel is supposed to be a cattle rancher from rural Georgia, so when he said that he did want his property to become an "armed camp" from the group carrying guns around, I was shaking my head by then. Cattle ranchers in real life often have to keep a gun handy to kill coyotes and other pests. I doubt that coyotes would stay away from a farm or ranch with livestock on it after a zombie apocalypse starts. I would have to say that Hershel seemed to redeem himself later in season 2 when he said that he knew how to shoot, although he did not like to. In the season 2 finale however, Hershel seemed to be very much into showing off his shooting skills. --Kepiblanc 10:43, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

I just want to say a couple of things about this rant. First, you are being very stereotypical about the South, thinking that everyone is a gun-toting redneck. I can speak from experience because I am from the most anti-gun state in the country, Massachusetts, I think I can guarantee that there are at least a few people living in the South who don't like firearms. Like I said, I am from Massachusetts, but I like guns, unlike most of the state and most of the Northeast for that matter, except New Hampshire of course. Also, the show takes place a few weeks after the zombie outbreak, most of the people with the military caliber firearms have probably long since left and moved to places they would think was safer. About Rick teaching Carl to shoot guns, he is a cop, so maybe he has seen people get badly hurt by guns, so he didn't want anything to happen to Carl. Hershel knows how to shoot pretty well. I am guessing by his hate for guns, he probably faced some kind of horrible incident in the past that resulted from him using a gun. Again, this is just speculation. In the season 2 finale, Hershel showed his shooting skills because by this time, his outlook on the undead had completely changed. --SmithandWesson36 18:01, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

We love our guns up here in New Hampshire! Rick teaching Carl about guns is a good thing and something that is needed. He'll be needing to use that gun more considering how the world has become with the Zombies. --FIVETWOSEVEN 18:57, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

Oh no, I completely agree with teaching Carl to use guns after the zombie outbreak, but I mean before the outbreak maybe Rick didn't have any motivation to teach his son to use guns, that's all. --SmithandWesson36 19:36, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

SmithandWesson36, have you been to the South much? I have. I have been to most of the southern states myself, and not just to the large cities and tourist spots, either. I also live in a somewhat rural part of Pennsylvania - it's had some population growth over the last 15 years. Anyway, the point I was trying to make above is that these days, in the "red states" of the South and other rural areas, there are more tactical type rifles in the hands of "plain folks" civilians than ever before. It's more than some people may even realize or want to admit, and the buyers are not necessarily ones who fit the "redneck" mold. Case in point: Not long after Obama was elected in 2008, the biggest gun shop in my area was packed every time I went in to browse. The gun shop's employees were often telling me back then that they could not keep up with the demand for semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 Remington. I made some small talk there once with a single mom, who seemed articulate enough, not a redneck type, etc. She was with her teenage son - they were there to buy her first gun. She bought a Yugo SKS rifle. (I think she wanted to buy an AR type rifle at first, but the SKS was much cheaper.) Also in 2008, I went to several parts of North Carolina at different times that year. I noticed that even the small pawn shops in the suburban "Research Triangle" area of NC had at least one or two AK type rifles. Plus, every time I have been to either of the two shooting ranges that I regularly go to, there has always been at least one person there shooting his or her own AR type rifle. Based upon my own personal experiences such as these, this is part of the reason why wrote what I did above. --Kepiblanc 01:11, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Originally this started out as a discussion about why a police precinct would have hunting firearms in the armory. I don't really know how we got into the portrayal of red state/blue state issues in the show and about who personally owns what and why as opposed to something else.

As to the anti-gun bias on the show, I believe that it's to some degree understandable when considering everything. Rick and Shane are police officers, their training dictates that firearms not in the hands of fellow officers are a threat to their safety. Even if the dead have started walking that training is still with them and they're going to be relying on what they know. Hershel's stance is understandable because he sees the Walkers as sick people in need of help, not open slaughter like what was possibly being shown on the news reports. He understands that the survivors don't see things his way and would rather shoot a Walker rather than help it and he wants to prevent that...at least until after Shane opens his eyes to the truth. Lori is a mother and worries about the safety of her son, possibly because so many kids get shot and killed each year and was afraid of contributing to that. It's also possible she's opposed to the idea of Carl learning to shoot because it doesn't jive with her hopes of the world returning to what is used to be when there was order and safety. It's possible she views the idea of her child growing up cold and hard is just another nail in the coffin of the world having any sort of order to it again and she doesn't want to be swinging that hammer. --Ballistics_Expert2

Thank you, Ballistics_Expert, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I wasn't arguing anything about red state/blue state, I'm simply stating that not everyone single person in the South loves guns and some are opposed to them. I didn't mean anything political by that, I just meant that anywhere you go, there will be people who disagree with the common concensus of the area. --SmithandWesson36 13:37, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

...and back to the subject...reason would lead one to believe the other cops already took the duty guns at the begining and all that was left was confiscated guns left in the evidence locker or something.--Spades of Columbia 14:44, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Plausible, considering Shane's M4-stocked Mossy sort of stands out from the rest of the group's guns. Spartan198 17:29, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

I don't know about anyone else here, but my experience with firearms and viewing preferences with firearms-related TV shows is much more based in real life than in make-believe. I shoot my semi-auto tactical rifles and 1911 pistols on a regular basis and I know many other people who do likewise. I have been to gun shops, gun shows, and gun ranges all over this country. TWD is the only fictional TV show that I am into these days - all the other ones I watch are the "reality" shows on History Channel, Discovery, NatGeo, etc. ("Sons of Guns"/"Doomsday Preppers"/"American Guns"/"Top Shot" - just to name a few.) If you watch shows like these, have been to the South as often as I have been, have been around many gunners like I have, and have seen what I have seen, you probably also would have been a bit disappointed to see how nobody in season 1 of the TWD already had at least one modern semi-auto tactical carbine, or even an older military surplus rifle such the M1 Garand or the SKS. I have already tried to point out how it is actually quite common in real life for civilians in "red" states like Georgia to own semi-auto rifles such as these, and it's not just the hardcore "redneck" types who own them now - it's more like people from all walks of life instead. As a matter of fact, due to an overwhelming demand from the civilian market, Sturm Ruger, America's largest gun maker, actually had to halt production temporarily just this week. Bearing all of this in mind, this is why I say that it should not have even mattered if Rick and Shane's hometown police station's armory had already been looted of all the tactical carbines. As for some people in the South being anti-gun/non-gun-owners, sure, they exist, but they are nowhere as nearly numerous as the anti-gunners/non-gun-owners are in a "blue" state up North like New Jersey, and these are exactly the types of people who are mostly likely going to die first and die the most in a widespread zombie outbreak, simply because they will be totally unarmed before an outbreak begins. The percentage of lawful gun owners in most of the "red" states is 50% or greater. In most of the "blue" states, the percentage of lawful gun owners is as low as 10%.

Now, one thing that did strike me as "realistic" about the depiction of "blue" states in TWD were the characters of Dave and Tony in the "Nebraska" episode. Both of them seemed to me as being very much "blue" state guys - it was as if they were two lost cast members of the "Jersey Shore" show or something. (Could you imagine having to rely on people like them during a zombie outbreak? Would you want "Snooki" or "the situation" in your survivor group?) What I mean by this is that Dave and Tony both acted like cocky jerks with chips on their shoulders. Dave actually did mention something about meeting Tony along Route 95 outside of Philadelphia, which is also rather close to the Jersey Shore for those of you who did not know this. Much like a great many of the "blue" state folks, neither Dave nor Tony were likely gun owners, or had had any firearms training prior to the zombie outbreak. Dave actually mentioned that he got his SIG pistol off a dead cop. For all we know, Dave was the one who killed that cop, in cold blood, no less. Tony had a sawn-off Mossberg HS12 - he was probably the one who cut the stock on it down, too. If that is what happened, then it just goes to show how clueless Tony was about guns in general. Just about everything Dave and Tony said and did in the "Nebraska" episode was ignorant, rude, and rubbed me the wrong way. How Rick handled Dave and Tony was one of the best decisions he made during all of season 2 as far as I am concerned. --Kepiblanc 20:41, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Okay, I'm sorry, but I am still confused about why you keep bringing up "blue states" and "red states," all I am trying to say is that maybe all the modern, military caliber weapon wielding people left with their weapons to find better shelters out of a small town with no protection. I don't get what you mean by having people from the Jersey Shore as survivors in your group, I have a friend with relatives from the Jersey Shore who are not orange-skinned Italians. You also say that Dave and Tony are ignorant and rude because they come from a "blue" state? I'm sorry, but you are rudely stereotyping people, which has nothing to do with what this discussion is about. --SmithandWesson36 21:26, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Anyway, getting back to the original topic,there is an Android Walking Dead game made by AMC and explains the first events of the outbreak right after Rick got shot, all the way up to Shane heading to the hospital to save Rick. According to the game, there were only three officers at the station when the first zombies attacked, Shane, Leon, and someone named Don. Judging by the fact that there are times when only three officers are at the station, there are probably not too many officers in this small town. I think that the police force of this town might just have been too small for it to have the budget to buy tactical rifles and they didn't really have the need for more firepower than hunting firearms. How much crime can a tiny town have, right? This is obviously just speculation, but it is my opinion. Although the real reason for their weapons could just be that a zombie show would be boring if the survivors were untouchable because they had military-grade firepower and tons and tons of ammo. --SmithandWesson36 22:06, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Police Armory

Hello everybody. Pretty spirited discussion going on above. Okay first of all (don't know how applicable this is, but here goes) I'm a police officer. October 12, 2012 will make twelve years for me. I'm also in Idaho which is in the Northwest, but very much a Red State. My department has 63 sworn officers (full-time) and eight reserve officers. I think. Our city is closing in on 50,000 residents.

Our swat team is called TRT (Tactical Response Team). We have two snipers. Both are equipped with Remington 700 rifles in .308. The rifles have 18" heavy barrels, synthetic sticks, scopes, bipods ect. All the gee-whiz tactical stuff. The other TRT members are equipped with Colt AR-15 carbines (16" barrel) and all the various accoutrements that have come to be assocaited with the AR-15 platform in the past decade. TRT officers are issued their rifles by the department.

Other offcers who wish to carry an AR-15 have to purchase the rifle out of their own pocket and attend a week long class. They have to qualify with the rifle at the end of the week if they hope to carry the rifle. The department supplies forty rounds for the rifle.

If you don't want to purchase a rifle you can carry a Remington 870 Police shotgun (supplied by the department) in 12 gauge, but it isn't mandatory.

We are issued either a Glock 21 (45acp) or a Glock 19 (9mm) if the 21 is too large and so on. I carry the Glock 19 and I am also authorized to carry the Glock 26 and the Smith & Wesson Model 49 "Bodyguard" as my backups and off duty pieces.

Only a couple years before I joined my department the TRT officers were carrying the Ruger Mini-14 with the wooden stock and the Remington 870 shotgun - also with the wooden stock. There was just one sniper and he carried the Savage 110 in .243 also outfitted with a wooden stock.

Officers were allowed to carry whatever type of semi-auto handgun they wanted as long as it was in 9mm, 40S&W or 45 acp. We didn't go to issuing Glocks until 2006.

So as you see it only been over the past fifteen years (more or less) that my department has gotten "modern". I can guarantee that there are many smaller departments out there (in the U.S.) that are still playing catch-up. So the police gun vault that we see in the first episode isn't that difficult to believe in. --Jcordell 23:41, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Herschel's Shotgun

is it just me or did herschel's shotgun have like unlimited ammo, cause he was just laying those shells into the zombies like a boss

Yeah, I was thinking that too, when I watched the episode. I think he reloaded maybe once, and was able to get off upwards of 20 shells out of that. --SmithandWesson36 22:08, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Yep. Evidently I wasn't around when the local Cabelas was selling the special Remington 870 "Hollywood" configuration. Darn it. --Jcordell 23:16, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Herschel's SIG

Is it just me or does it look a tad too short to be a P226? Bristow8411 00:11, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

It also has a rounded trigger guard which makes it a P228/ --commando552 04:46, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

Mossberg HS12

Uh, are there ANY other screencaps of this gun? The one we have does NOT prove that it is a Mossberg HS12 on its' own. I'm sure that there are other screenshots available (I don't work on this page so I count on others to do it). But right now it is a vague and nondistinct image and thus a new gun page for the Mossberg HS12 was created just for this one entry. We need to verify that this gun ID is correct. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 00:55, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

Season 3 Mystery suppressed Gun

Just found this image online. It's apparently a season 3 sneak peek snapshot. What is Rick holding? Almost looks like a two tone glock with a stielhandgranate taped to it, stick pointing towards us.... but its obviously not=P http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/4/46/Rick.JPG

Definitely looks like a glock. The can looks like a big Mag-lite to me. The Kaptain 21:33, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm making an assumption, but it's safe to say it's the same Glock 17 he used in the season 2 finale. Seems like he will be using this pistol along with his Colt Python a lot next season. The suppressor was a pleasant surprise. Given the situation in the show, it's probably just a crude, homemade suppressor made with whatever materials he could scrounge.

I think it might be one of the Russian PBS suppressors, I have to agree with ^ it is good to see a suppressor for once when facing zombies.Recon42

The suppressor looks like the one that you see on a mac-10 in desperado image and the silencer in that image looks similar.Balin21

For sure it's a Glock, however I was thinking it was a crude homemade suppressor, Bristow8411 19:28, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Remember Rick has T Dog's glock(shane hid his then took t dog's and rick took it when he killed shane) and the suppressor does look like a mac 10 suppressor bt it is likely homemade. --Yo dawg 111 08:50, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

I think it is a home-made suppressor made from a Maglite 2 D-cell torch (or maybe the 3 cell is hard to tell from that shot). The tube with a hole drilled in the base cap alternating between fabric packing and empty chambers would probably kind of work as a suppressor, hard bit would be somehow attaching the lamp end to the muzzle. --commando552 08:59, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

On the talking dead, the producers state it is a flashlight as a makeshift suppressor --Captain Snikt 11:11, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

First look at David Morrissey

First picture of David Morrissey as the Governor is up, he'll be the chief antagonist for some time to come on the show. One of his men in the background is holding something in his hand over his shoulder...can anyone make it out?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=91132

Too blurry, but my first thought was some form of speargun: http://i.pgcdn.com/pi/1/87/67/18767193_260.jpg Then again, I just got back from Cancun so I got fishing on the mind =P --Geckcgt 01:02, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

The Governor appears to carry a silver/nickel semi-automatic, possibly a 1911 variant, with black grips in a cross draw holster. Looking forward to more detailed screencaps. --Mmarlon brando 12:12, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

Season 3

Season 3 trailer is up, lots of footage to comb through! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcXvotzU2k

Im willing to screencap it but its to low quality for me. Maybe someone else can Mr.Ice 09:09, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

Merle is back. Hopefully this season will have a bit more zip than Season 2. With the exception of the last couple episodes S2 was a little on the slow side. --Jcordell 09:14, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

In the trailer I can see a helicopter from the UH-1 series along with an MG that I could not ID due to the low quality also the prison had some firearms available inside, Rick used a used a silenced handgun that may be a Glock. Also what kind of firearms would be availible to prison guards anyways? Mr.Ice

I uploaded some caps and put them on the page. theman838

The handgun used by Rick is some kind of Glock, yeah (there was a large poster of Rick holding it in the background on The Talking Dead last week), but they said the "silencer", prop-wise, is actually a flashlight. lol Spartan198 17:17, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

Merle's bayonet is a WWII M1 Bayonet my grandfather gave me his when he past.

Should we put the armorer showing an m4a1 and at4 on talking dead on the page for behind the scenes ?

Unknown weapons

Please, I know that this is a discussion about T.W.D tv series but can someone add the gas grenade of Hell Of The Living Dead film? I request this because this is a zombie film/tv discussion!

No, this is a discussion about TWD, not a general zombie genre discussion. If you have anything to say about Hell of the Living Dead, you might try putting it on the talk page for that film. Also, there's no need to double post. Spartan198 13:37, 21 August 2012 (CDT)

Page to crowded for another season

I think we should create a new page for season 3 when in comes out for new shots of the guns do to the fact this page already has 2 seasons on it and a third would make it too crowded.--Blueboy1600 16:24, 25 August 2012 (CDT)

Too long you say? The Unit and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 didn't seem too bad, i think its more about cleaning it up rather than how many articles, such as limiting 3-4 photos per Firearm (two screens and one of the Firearm) rather than the random stack at the moment (The Python currently has 10 photos). scarecrow (talk) 15:55, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

"Modern Warfare 3" is one game so it can't really be split up into anything, and "The Unit" is one of the early pages on here that was finished before splitting into seasons become a thing. Ideally it would be split, but it is a big job requiring someone to pretty much re-watch the whole thing to verify what guns are in what seasons and to get more caps. Personally I wouldn't split this yet, would wait and see how many different guns are in season 3. --commando552 (talk) 16:31, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

Maybe i shouldn't delete all the seasons of the unit just yet off my HDD, haha. is there anything other than Burn Notice that's been split? (i haven't been back on here in a few months.) scarecrow (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

Chuck, Miami Vice, CSI, Law & Order, 24, Hawaii Five-O, Falling Skies, and Justified. Just to name a few. --SmithandWesson36 15:00, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

I was initially against splitting pages up but I think it's of benefit now because you can have screengrabs from each season for the respective firearms that show up in every season which proves that they're still using the same gun and haven't started using a different one. So I say that it's probably for the best that it is split. From the looks of it there's going to be a shed load of new firearms that will be added this season too. --cool-breeze (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

Improvised Supressors?

Having a discussion (Also known as a argument :P) with a friend over what was used for the suppressors on Rick and Carl's hand guns, I believe Rick's was a Glock of some type with what looked to me was a Maglight; Carl using a Beretta 92 (F) with what looked like a cut and modified steel baseball bat, can any one verify this? scarecrow (talk) 22:09, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

I've got link that proves its a flashlight suppressor the style appears to be a maglite http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-silencer.jpg and there's also one of guy with the governors http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/boomslang45/suppressor-1.jpg also in the opening scene when Carl walks threw a door the suppressor gets wider from the left to right i think your right it is a bat . --Blueboy1600 (talk) 14:52, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Carl's gun holster

Does anyone know what kind of gun holster Carl uses in season 3?

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 It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+Not only does a crossbow save on ammo and is silent, crossbow bolts can be retrieved and reused repeatedly before they bend, dull, break, or otherwise can't be used any longer. In effect, Daryl has essentially a near-infinite source of ammunition. As for Rick, I think the Python suits him better. It has personality, the Mark 23... not so much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:43, 27 February 2012 (CST)
 ==Whoa==
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 Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
+iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492
 == Crappy dialogue ==
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 Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
+:Maybe Basset is so damn useless that he hasn't even figured out that Glocks don't come with manual safeties... --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:28, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
 The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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 I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha
+:He also could have meant "Glock 9mm", you know, since "9" is common shorthand for 9mm. When has anyone referred to .45 ACP as "11.43mm"? Hell, I once had a conversation with a Korean War vet about 1911s and when I referred to the cartridge by its dimensions, he had a dumbfounded look on his face and "corrected" me, telling me that the 1911A1 was "a 45, not no 11-something". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)
 ==SIG P239==
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 All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))
+: It's not an SP101.  The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame.  Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
+Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel.  Still think it's a Taurus though.  [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )
+: It's definately not a Ruger SP101. As to the comment of the SP101 being unique with regards to the rear notch site. Nope. All snubbies have that. I have both the Taurus 85 (old shape) and the Taurus 85 Stainless. Looks much more like that due to the unique underlug on the revolver. Also look at the SP101's front. http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/sp101target8.jpg Definately not what we are seeing in these screen captures. [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
+It appears to be a Taurus 405 to me.  Looks large-bored, probably .40S&W so that would match the 405.  The front sight is tiny from that back angle which also matches the 405, the cylinder backing plate is the same etc.  krispic 21:36 Feb 22 2012
+:I don't think it is a Taurus 405, or a Taurus 85 for that matter. If you will note this picture [[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg]], the revolver seems to have a removable front blade sight, which has obviously been removed. From what I've seen, neither the M85 nor the M405 have removable/interchangeable front sights. [[User:Booner63|Booner63]] 11:39, 03 April 2014
 == What kind of tank was that? ==
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 -AC.
+:I'm also reasonably certain the 82nd Airborne Division doesn't have tanks in their TO&E, yet the (un)dead soldier in the tank had an 82nd patch on his left shoulder. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
+Well i would imagine that in the chaos of the zombie apocalypse lots of soldiers ended up with other units doin jobs they aren't really trained for.
+Actually smaller units are frequently attached (I believe the Brits call it seconded) to other units for mission purposes. Some armor battalions spent the whole campaign in France (WW II, 1944-1945) being attached to various infantry units - to include the airborne. After all the elements of the 9th and 10th armor divisions that were in Bastogne during the siege fell under the 101st Airborne for the duration of that battle. Funny how the airborne mafia always seems to forget about all the ''other'' troops that fought in that battle. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:17, 23 August 2011 (CDT)
 At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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 heres a picture
 [[Image:The walking dead.png]]
+I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]
+*Naw, that one they've actually made some modifications to like building up the hull and turret to be more Abrams-like and putting an M1-style bulge over the cylindrical fume extractor. This is just a Chieftain with a fake M2 awkwardly perched on top of the hatch weapon mounting. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:07, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
+Looked like a Gulf war era M60 Patton to me painted in tan on the exterior but i think the entire interior is a mock up (too spacious and the floor hatch) [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 21:59, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
 == Things I noticed ==
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 And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.
+More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.
+Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?
 == I rewatched the first episode. ==
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 Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
 -AC
+Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]
+Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php
+After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?
+In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)
+Definitely a 17 in the last episode when shane opens the barn doors and shhots all the walkers he fires too many rounds for it to be a 19
+This is getting tiresome now, stop identifying guns based on the amount of rounds that they fire! It's a TV series where in editing they can easily make a 15 round magazine last for 80 rounds (see John Woo films) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:27, 2 January 2012 (CST)
 ==Merle==
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 IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim
+Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
+If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That&#39;s One Angry Duck|That&#39;s One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
+::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.
+Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?
 ==Vatos==
-Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10 and a Colt Detective Special in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
+==Daryl's Crossbow==
+Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]
+::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Was that an XD? ==
+The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
+-AC
+Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.
+Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
+[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]
+- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
+that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492
+I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.
+How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC
+i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
+Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.
+but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
+Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
+:It's not a P228. The screencap doesn't show it well, but I checked the episode again, and it's possible to see that it has the squared trigger guard of the P226, rather than rounded, as on a P228. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
+==Faking recoil==
+Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.
+may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler
+That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick,  if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
+and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
+:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
+/AUA
+Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.
+Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).
+But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.
+AUA/
+:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
+==DShK heavy machine gun?==
+I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956
+Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not.  Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]
+:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+:Maybe somebody "requisitioned" (read: looted) it from the National Infantry Museum or Fort Benning; both are in or around Columbus, GA, which isn't exactly close to Atlanta, but it's the closest place I can think of where you might plausibly find a DShK. When you need more HMGs, you grab what's available. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 20:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)
+Weird though, since they obviously had M2s available for filming.-AC
+:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously.  Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
+::Actually, those M2HBs are still there in episodes 2 ("Guts," when Grimes escapes from the tank) and 4 ("Vatos," when Glenn goes to retrieve the Bag O' Guns) <i>and</i> they pass at least two M2HBs on the way to the CDC's front door <i>after</i> they pass the DShK. They weren't just there for the pilot. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 09:18, 25 June 2011 (CDT)
+My thought was militia that made a last stand with the army to protect the people gathering at the CDC (notice the weapon is surrounded by bodies in civilian clothes), the DShK having been purchased by one of the members (legitimately or otherwise) and subsequently put to use following the outbreak. - Wolfblade670
+Maybe the Russians dropped in tom VDV to help protect the CDC. -Jakezergling
+:I, umm, highly doubt that... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:30, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
+:Yeah, Russia would have enough trouble fighting the Walkers on their own turf, considering that Russia is easily 2 times the size of continental United States. Besides that, do the Russians even use the DshK anymore? I do believe it's been phased out by the Kord since the late 90s/early 2000s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:18, 27 February 2012 (CST)
+== Daryl's knife ==
+In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
+It's actually a Busse Combat Team Gemini with a bead blasted finish and black and tan layered g10. Gerber is now supplying knives to the show as well, as seen in the season 2 premiere when Carl finds a full roll in and abandon vehicle. The list of models is on their FB page. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]
+: I would agree that Daryl does have a Busse Combat Team Gemini. A clear profile-type photo of Daryl's knife was featured in the "story sync" for the eighth episode of the second season on the AMC website. Here's a link to that image: http://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/208-17.jpg --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:24, 23 February 2012 (CST)
+== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==
+He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC
+/AUA
+He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.
+AUA/
+I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC
+/AUA
+Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).
+AUA/
+I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+== Rick's second shotgun.==
+After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.
+It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]
+/AUA
+I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.
+AUA/
+We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
+-AC
+This cap from the page will suffice:
+[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]
+And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
+http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg
+A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:
+-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
+-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
+-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
+-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.
+Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
+::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
+-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]
+Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
+Rick's shotgun, from the end of Vatos and on, was a Pardner Pump, but I don't think it was a 20 gauge. Sometimes, hunting model guns can have the vent-rib barrel cut down, to where it is a riot shotgun. I see that as being more plausible. --[[User:1897Reloaded|1897Reloaded]] 11:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
+==Think its funny==
+Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....
+Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.
+/AUA
+It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.
+AUA/
+When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people.  An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot.  Zombies are different.
+also he has had weeks of shooting  live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
+/AUA
+Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.
+AUA/
+*Well it is a show about the dead walking around and eating the flesh of the living. I'm willing to overlook the amazing skill that Rick displays with headshots.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:28, 20 June 2011 (CDT)
+==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
+Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.
+: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That&#39;s One Angry Duck|That&#39;s One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
+:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
+Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
+:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock
+::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
+-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
+Considering the US military teaches you do to that with a M4, the stock is pretty much the same as the M4 so I could see why he's doing it. Also I don't get the feeling that any of the actors are really inexperienced, they all seem to be trained well in regards to weapons. Least Rick and Shane do.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:18, 8 March 2012 (CST)
+==Series Finale==
+I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
+I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.
+Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
+:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
+Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?
+They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC
+:Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
+I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics Expert2]]
+first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
+== To Do List. ==
+. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
+. Morgans revolver.
+. Merles rifle.
+. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
+. The gun given to Morales.
+. Daryls handgun.
+. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
+. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
+. Ricks second shotty.
+I miss anything?-AC
+==Short Season Huh?==
+At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....
+At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
+It's definately already in production.  Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show.  Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
+They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
+Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt [[Special:Contributions/109.157.4.163|109.157.4.163]] 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
+:Daryl has proven so popular that he's actually being written into the comic. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:15, 29 March 2012 (CDT)
+== Popular Cop Guns ==
+An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life."  This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
+The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.
+:There aren't too many police depts issuing the Beretta 92F anymore, even though Hollywood still shows them being carried by cops. Anyway, Glock holds just under 2/3rds of the U.S. law enforcement market, SIG-Sauer holds about 1/3rd, and a number of other makes (S&W, H&K, Beretta, etc.) are constantly fighting each other for what's left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]
+Ah, that's right.
+Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.)
+Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim
+There was once a time when the S&W Model 15/67, the S&W Model 13/65. Colt Official Police, Ruger Six Series revolvers, the S&W Model 19/66 and the Colt Lawman/Trooper Mk III were also very popular Cop revolvers.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:40, 28 March 2011 (CDT)
+Glocks, S&W M&Ps, SIGs, HK USPs, S&W 5906 (4506, etc) are known for being "cop guns",
+Glocks IIRC are used by 60% of the police force in the US so its kinda hard to compare
+== Flash suppressor on M4A1 ==
+Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?
+:I thought it was a nongun.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.179.105|129.89.179.105]] 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
+::Just for reference,
+::[[Image:M4A1nongun.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M4A1 Non Gun]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::Yeah, it's a Non Gun M4. Look at the range at which he's shooting at his comrades. Blanks are dangerous if an actor is shooting at other actors who are that close, so they probably had to use the Non Gun instead. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
+:Actually, the Aimpoint M68 CCO (in this case I believe it is a Comp M2 or ML2) can be used with the foreward lens cover closed.  Used in this method, it forms an occuladed eye-sight, which were one of the first types of weapons optics employed.  Using an occuladed eye-sight is very similar in principle to the BAC method employed in some Trijicon ACOGs, both eyes are left open and due to the way the brain processes images from the eye, what the left (or right eye sees) downrange has the red dot from the other eye (which is looking down the sight) superimposed on it.  This is useful as there are rumors that the red dot (particularly in the Aimpoint family) can in fact be detected from in front of the weapon due to the intensity of the light, espiecially in night battle conditions. So the sceintist might really know what he is doing, but it is just as likely it was a mistake by the prop department.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 22:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+== I liked Rick's reaction when he pulled the pin on the grenade in the last episode ==
+He was thinkin "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and then hauled ass outta there haha. I liked that little detail, along with him getting knocked off his feet as he tried to get as far away from it as possible, instead of the clichè "walk slowly towards the camera as a bomb goes off behind you with a bad-ass grimace on your face". This show had a lot of nice little details like that. [[User:That&#39;s One Angry Duck|That&#39;s One Angry Duck]] 03:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)- Yeah but its a grenade bro, you have like what 7 seconds so you can't walk away slowly from it..and also the building was about to total..-jake
+Yeah, I liked that too. i hate when like the everyday joe can slowly walk away from a huge explosion,[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
+I like the way that he pulled the pin and had the "Oh my GOD!" moment when he suddenly realised that he needed to run fast. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:49, 2 July 2011 (CDT)
+Lol, my friend was like that fuse is burning wtf is he doing? chilling?
+== Season 2 ==
+Anyone seen the trailer yet for the second seaons? It's been out for a few weeks now. I jus--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)t thought it was interesting that it hasn't been mentioned here.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)
+I don't have the equipment for getting screencaps from TV, but the revolver Daryl took from the camper who committed suicide looks like either a Colt Cobra or Detective Special. The structure doesn't look right for being a S&W Model 10 or Model 36/37. And the slender grip profile and lack of an ejector rod housing eliminates the possibility of it being a Taurus.
+--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
+I was rewatching the season 2 premier episode and I noticed something that irked me a bit concerning the scene at the tent where Daryl found the Colt revolver. This is a series known for a great deal of firearms safety and consideration. But here we have an example of typical Hollywood gun handling. Nobody checked to see how many live rounds were in it, they just assumed it was still loaded and ready to be used. For all we know Daryl handed Laurie an empty weapon for taking on the trail back to the RV.
+--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
+==Gerber Bag of Knives==
+Carl ([[Chandler Riggs]]) found this bag in the first episode of the second season which contained six different gerber tool knives and machetes.
+[[Image:Gerber-Zombie-Apocolypse-Knives.jpg|thumb|none|500px| So long as you use a knife, there's still a little love left.]]
+In the Season 2 props video on the AMC website, they explain the endorsement and show some of the gear. The prop master also gives a look at Rick's character specific items, which includes a [http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000582-Modified-Partially-Serrated/dp/B004DT26ME/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1319921541&sr=8-2 DMF Folder]. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 15:58, 29 October 2011 (CDT)
+Some of this bag is anachronistic though, as the knives were not invented until after the zombie apocalypse destroyed humanity, and presumably the Gerber factory.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:21, 29 October 2011 (CDT)
+How do you know that though? As far as I can remember there hasn't been a date mentioned for when the zombie apocalypse happened, it could be set in the very near future. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:30, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
+:What I meant is that some of the knives have been released since the series started airing, and I'm assuming that the first episode wasn't set in the future.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:41, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
+::Fair enough. I do think of it like well they haven't really set an actual date on when it occurs so anything "new" that shows up in the show is either there to look cool or it's there for some sort of product placement. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:33, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
+:::Or both. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:35, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
+:::: Touche --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:08, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
+== Morgan's Revolver ==
+The revolver that Morgan uses is a S&W model 60
+:It can't be the Model 60 because of the curved ejector shroud. [[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:38, 21 November 2011 (CST)
+== Season 2 spoiler-ish descriptions ==
+I feel like a lot of the description "updates" on the guns used (or re-used, as applicable) in Season 2 are giving too much info away.  Definitely enough to qualify as spoilers to some people (like me).  One shouldn't need to narrate the scene and context in which the gun appears, at least not to the extent some of the descriptions are- especially if it's giving away future happenings.
+== M4 ==
+I think the caption about the doctor not noticing the covers for the M68 is a little of a moot point. The doctor stated he wasnt familiar with the weapon, and simply picked it up when soldiers started dying or running away. -MissySummers-
+== Dave and Tony's guns ==
+In the eighth episode of the second season - "Nebraska" - two newcomers walk into the bar where Rick and Glenn found Hershel drinking alone. The strangers introduce themselves to Rick, Glenn, and Hershel as Dave and Tony. I had a difficult time identifying these two guns that Dave and Tony had. Dave's gun looked to me like it might be a SIG-Sauer P226. Tony's gun looked to me like it was some sort of sawn-off double-barrel shotgun - maybe an over/under style double barrel shotgun too. Did anybody get a good look at either one of these guns? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:52, 21 February 2012 (CST)
+After watching the episode "Triggerfinger" it looks like hershel picked up Dave's pistol which looked to me like a SIG-SAUER P228 to me. And the big guy had a cutdown pump shotgun that I think was a Remington 870 and Rick was duel weilding it with his Python when they left the bar. The kid on the roof appeared to a have a bolt action rifle but it never showed a clear pic.
+: I just watched the "Nebraska" and "Triggerfinger" episodes again back to back. I would have to agree with you now on Dave's gun. It appears that Dave actually did bring a SIG-Sauer P228 into the bar in the "Nebraska" episode. I got a better look at this gun in the "Triggerfinger" episode when Hershel was armed with it. I could tell this gun was a P228 because the trigger guard was curved instead of hooked like the P226 has, plus the barrel and slide on this gun were shorter than what the P226 has. I looked very closely at Tony's shotgun too, but I don't agree with you on this one. There's no way it could have been a Remington 870. I would still say that it is a sawn-off, over/under, double barrel shotgun. (Just my opinion here, but a sawn-off shotgun would be a piss-poor gun for defending yourself against a zombie horde that is coming at you. The shot spread pattern on a sawn-off shotgun would be way too wide to be effective on any zombie's head beyond short range, and it's better to kill multiple zombies from a distance than at point blank range, right?) I also noticed that Glenn had Tony's shotgun later on in the "Triggerfinger" episode. I agree with you about that the kid on the roof though - he sure seemed to have a bolt action rifle with a scope mounted on it. What happened to it is the question now. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 15:59, 22 February 2012 (CST)
+I just watched it again and I swore I heard a cocking sound so that could make it a pump action shotgun. You were right its not a pump action i believe its a over/under gun. [[User:Balin21|Balin21]]
+: TV shows and movies usually have the cocking sound effects for guns added in for dramatic purposes. (For example, it seems that we often hear the cocking sound effect every time the script calls for one character to point a gun at somebody or something. In real life, guns are normally silent when this happens.) The Walking Dead seems to be just such a TV show. I don't know how to screen capture this yet, but I paused episode 208 at the 43:15 mark. I could clearly see the underside of Tony's gun there, and I did not see things on this gun such as a loading port, or a slide piece, both of which would be consistent with a pump action shotgun. It was all dark on that part of the shotgun instead, which to me seems more consistent with a double barrel, over/under, break action shotgun than with a pump action shotgun. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:55, 23 February 2012 (CST)
+: I couldn't get a good look at Tony's shotgun in either "Nebraska" or "Triggerfinger". At first glance it looked like a cut down Winchester 1887 (like in T-2). I was wondering if anyone else happened to think that too? Also it almost looked like it had a synthetic stock on it which made me think it could have been the Chiappa T-Series 1887, but I don't know if those are availible yet, but again I didn't get a good enough look at it.--[[User:Fenderfiver03|Fenderfiver03]] 20:10, 23 February 2012 (CST)
+::It is a sawn off over and under (although it may be purpose made as it appeared to have a front sight present). You get a look at the gun when the guy gets up to piss, and after he is shot you see a front view of the gun showing that it is two open barrels rather than a barrel with a magazine tube underneath.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:37, 23 February 2012 (CST)
+::: You're right. After rewatching the episode online and pausing just after he gets shot I could see the two barrels and also could see there is no lever either.--[[User:Fenderfiver03|Fenderfiver03]] 22:57, 23 February 2012 (CST)
+Tony's shotgun looks VERY much like the MOSSBERG HS12 after another look at episode 9.  When Rick searches Tony's pocket and picks up two (probably 12-ga) shotgun rounds, you can clearly see the Top/Locking Lever for opening/locking the breech contrasted against the background.  In the shot just before that you can see a Picatinny or Weaver rail on top of the receiver.  This clearly says "HS12" to me...and though it pretty clearly does not have a rail on the bottom of the under barrel, not all HS12s have the under-barrel rail, I think.  --[[User:dryfireandy|dryfireandy]] 27 Feb 2012
+:Had to Google Mossberg HS12, and I must admit I giggled a little bit at the concept of a "tactical" over/under. I watched the episodes in question the other day, and from memory at least I'd have to agree with you. It'd be nice if someone could post a picture, though.... [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 18:05, 27 February 2012 (CST)
+::I will try to get an appropriate screencap uploaded; ditto for the Sig P228/229 to help resolve that one.  PS "tactical" double-barrels have made ground in the last couple years or so- check out Stoeger's "tactical" SxS...just remember to bring your barf bag- they're charging the same prices for one as you'd see for a good 870 or Mossy pump.  Outrageous!  In any case, stupid people waste their money on them- but I digress.  Tony's apparent choice of shotgun bespeaks his desperation and/or seriously limited tactical reasoning ability- which I guess we already could've figured out around the time his body hit the floor.  =P --[[User:dryfireandy|dryfireandy]]
+: Does the Mossberg HS12 come with sling swivel studs? I noticed that Tony was carrying his shotgun by a sling that was looped over his shoulder. Since the buttstock of this shotgun had been sawn off, there was no way to just let it hang there - he had to keep holding onto the sling with his hand instead. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 09:00, 29 February 2012 (CST)
+== What caused it? ==
+Does the comic ever reveal what the cause of the outbreak was? I'm not asking for spoilers as to what the cause ''was'', I'm just asking if it's ever revealed, like a "yeah, they find out what it was" or "no, they build a rocket ship and fly to Mars to restart human civilization", or something like that. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:59, 27 February 2012 (CST)
+:I don't think any reason has actually been given, and Robert Kirkman (writer of the comic) has stated that he doesn't plan to ever give a definitive cause. In the comic characters have speculated that it is caused by a virus that everyone in the world is infected with that causes them to reanimate after death. Because I've read the comic I already knew this so can't remember if it is made clear in the series, but it is the kind of zombie apocalypse where everyone who dies turns into a zombie, even if they die from non zombie causes (zombie bites cause infections that are 100% lethal).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 27 February 2012 (CST)
+For Example a certain Main Character is shot dead at the end of the first book (in the comic they never went to the CDC, instead they just got the guns and left, but before they left the character is killed) and later in the series (maybe a book or two later, Rick returns to the place where they buried said person, and he was a zombie even though he had died by a bullet and not bite/scratch --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 09:34, 29 February 2012 (CST)
+== Unidentified pistol ==
+In the most recent episode, S02E11, Carl takes a pistol out of Daryl's bike. Presumably it is the same pistol Daryl used in episode S01E4. There were some pretty clear shots of the pistol when Carl is holding it, looked like a Browning, but I could be completely wrong. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 23:51, 5 March 2012 (CST)
+:It was a [[Browning BDA]], not sure if this is the same gun as in S01E04 as it looks like that has a larger beavertail on the back of the grip, but is hard to tell from the shots available.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:56, 6 March 2012 (CST)
+== Shotgun stock? ==
+What type of stock is on Shane's shotgun?
+--[[User:Zombie Killer 1995|Zombie Killer 1995]] 09:24, 6 March 2012 (CST)
+:It says on the main article, a KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:40, 6 March 2012 (CST)
+== Daryl's pistol ==
+I think Daryl's unidentified pistol might be a CZ-75 series, the frame/grips seem to match it as does the general size.
+:Looked more like a Browning Hi-Power to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:18, 6 March 2012 (CST)
+:Yeah, I concur with Cool-breeze. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:41, 7 March 2012 (CST)
+::Looked more like a Browning BDM to me.
+Hey, it does not really matter at this point as the stupid kid loses in the leafs and then books it..
+::He ''didn't'' lose it in the bushes. But even if he had, it still matters what it is, considering the purpose of this website. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+That actually seemed to best the best look at the handgun we see and it appeared to be a Browning Hi-Power to me as well.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:15, 8 March 2012 (CST)
+:People are talking about two different guns here. The easily identifiable one is the one that Carl takes out of Daryl's saddle bag in the most recent episode, which is definitely a [[Browning BDA]]. There is also the pistol that only the grip is seen sticking out of his waist band in S01E04, which I think is a different pistol. One of the only features that you can make out on this pistol is that fact that it has a prominent beavertail/grip spur at the back which is does not match the BDA or BDM. Hammer is wrong for the Hi-Power, my best guess would be a CZ-75 from the relationship between the hammer and the grip spur but it is not possible to tell from this pic.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:57, 9 March 2012 (CST)
+== GUN SENSE ==
+Their for sure would tons of M4'S and possibly m16a4's lying around in the streets of Atlanta with moer Berettas. Why does no one go for one and why do they not ask jenner for some. Would an assault rifle not be good to kill hordes of undead? Also why did rick not get on the .50 on the tank and take out some before. Even when I see police cars don't they raid them. The only time I have seen anyone do that is when Shane and Otis use the flares from the cruiser to distract the walkers..And yes I know it is a scripted show.
+------
+Don't forget that the show starts a while after the zombies take over so any M4s,M16s, etc would have already been scooped up from the Atlanta streets, at least the ones people could get before the city was overrun. And they didn't ask Jenner for any because an assault rifle is actually quite cumbersome and the ammo could weigh them down even more then they already are. Also it would be pretty hard to find any ammunition for M4s/M16s as that doesn't seem to be a commonly used weapon in this show beyond the military. They don't search cop cars because as I stated, the show starts a while after the initial overrunning of cities so if people had any brains, they would have raided cop cars a long time ago. As for the Beretta statement, it seems like that is more of a military firearm as well and not a police weapon, plus they can't search every single corpse they find in the city. As to the .50 cal on the tank, notice how fast the zombies crawled on top of the tank? Rick would never have lasted, plus I don't believe there was any .50 ammo in the tank, nor in the gun. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:14, 8 March 2012 (CST)
+- -
+Sorry I'm new at posting on here. Good point I forgot it starts 2 week after the outbreak. But I was thinking if Otis and Shane both had automatics it may have ended differently. Also we do Rick's beretta again with Shane and Andrea in the housing developments she has it no and perfers it to her ladysmith. And as to the .50cal their was one zombie when he came out to escape he shoveled it in the face. The .50 just is a bad idea in my opinion caue its one loud mother. Also I don't understand why people carry bolt actions around, look what happend to Dale. Imagine how smooth the show would run if everyone had silenced weapons. One more thing, is anyone else hoping for the variety of guns to switch up? We know that the kid's camp has 30 men+(jude,jury,executioner)so assuming Rick's group comes up on top cause the shows been renewed for season 3. Will they get some real artiliery? (User:n Gunfan1996)
+:If I remember in the first episode, Rick did bump into a tank and I coulda sworn I saw ammo in that 50 cal, but it is a bit heavy for one to carry. An Assault Rifle plus ammo is not heavy at all. A shotgun with ammo is actually more heavy and cumbersome to carry and limited range 12:46, 9 March 2012 (CST)
+:There was no ammo in the tank gun.
+[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the mounting; note that the mounting is designed for the L7 GPMG, an FN MAG derivative, and the fake M2 simply sits on top of it. Compare to the real M2 in the foreground of the shot above.]]
+:Besides, Rick was on horseback. What's he going to do, mount the .50 on the head of his horse? And it's also worth noting that he didn't have any weapons that used that ammo. A belt of .50 would be dead weight (no pun intended). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:37, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+Still dunno why Rick uses a Python though, those .357 rounds are LOUD.
+Personally, I hoped someone had scooped the Doc's M4 up on the way out of the CDC, oh well....
+--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:14, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
+== WOW!!!!!!! AWESOME ENDING (SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!) ==
+I couln' resist saying how awesome i thought S02: E12 was. That was the way to kill off Shane. Plus with the cool remix of the theme song playing as you see an army of walkers walk out onto the field. Just saying, I think Hershel or Maggie will die in the season finale. For those who missed it, here's a link: http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/talked-about-scene-episode-212-the-walking-dead-shanes-last-stand --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 14:51, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+Yep pretty good. I knew that eventually Shane was going. If I remember the comic book correctly it was Carl who killed Shane when he was going to kill rick and then Rick finished him off when he came back as a walker. So in the television show they reversed that. Liked the ending. I wonder if next season they will deal with the Governor and the Prison? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:30, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+:If you search for news of the show, te actor has already been cast, looking forward to the next season.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:14, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+:The Governor has indeed been cast and no it is not Merle. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:55, 12 March 2012 (CDT) [[http://screenrant.com/david-morrissey-governor-the-walking-dead-yman-156371/]]
+Nothing you guys said makes any sense because i don't read comics. Don't tell me though. I'm going to read the comics after the series finally ends. I know a friend with the complete collection who sai he is going to sell it along with DVD copies when they all come out. I WANT THAT!!!!! Check on ebay after the series comes to an end.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 18:56, 12 March 2012 (CDT)
+All I'm wondering is why did they make it so all you have to do is die to become a zombie instead of being bitten/scratched?  Do they explain this as well?  [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]  10:00, 13 March 2012
+:Almost every zombie story I've ever read, movie I've ever seen, or game I've ever played has it the same way as The Walking Dead TV series and comic book has had it - When a person dies for any reason, that same person later becomes a zombie, unless their brain has been damaged or destroyed first. So far, no explanation has been given as to exactly how this happens. My guess would be that it's all due to an airborne virus. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 10:56, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
+Can anyone identify the knife Rick used to finally put Shane down? Was it one of the Gerbers seen frequently throughout this season, or something else? I couldn't get a close enough look.--[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 15:35, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
+:I paused S02/Ep12 at the 39:09 mark. That was where I could get the best look at this knife. As best I can tell, Rick used a Gerber DMF folder on Shane. I think Rick has had that same knife all throughout Season 2. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 13:19, 14 March 2012 (CDT)
+I also wanted to know about a knife from episode 10 of season 2 (18 Miles Out).  The knife in question is the one that Rick leaves for Randall to use.  I don't know if it can be seen any better in any other episode but I know that Randall does eventually use it and I think I remember a few semi-close up shots of it.
+:Yes, there are a few close-up shots of the knife Randall uses in Episode 10 of Season 2. It appears to be a sheath knife without any serrations on the blade, finger grooves on the grip, and a clip point. I checked the official Gerber website, but I was unable to see any knife pictured there which resembled this one. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 19:20, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
+On the actual subject of the firearms used in the finale, I think Lori uses the Charter Arms Pug that Carl had earlier in the season. Daryl used a revolver I couldn't ID.... Looked like a .38 of some kind with a 4 or 5 inch barrel, but I'm not sure. [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 22:02, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
+To add to that, Glenn was seen using Shane's Mossberg with the M4-style stock in the finale. (Shane no longer needed it.)
+Hershel was also seen using, what I believe is the Remington 870 Wingmaster used by Dayrl in "Vatos"
+The revolver Daryl used, if it was Dale's revolver i think it is a colt of some kind, although I cannot get a good look, in one of the earlier episodes you can see the grip under Dale's shirt, and it looks like there is a Colt medallion near the top, not sure though.--[[User:Awaler32|Awaler32]] 09:42, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
+== Logo on Carl's shirt ==
+This is way off topic for IMFDB, but the logo on Carl's shirt in the episode "Better Angels", a black bear paw in front of a red atom, I know I've seen it elsewhere but I can't place it. At first I thought it was the old Blackwater logo, but the BW logo is a black bear paw in a red scope crosshair. Does anyone recognize it? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:13, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
+:The logo on Carl's shirt is for "Science Dog" - another comic book by the creator of TWD, Robert Kirkman. The comic book version of Carl has this same exact logo on his shirt too. Adding this level of detail to Carl's wardrobe in the TV series was a nice touch, I would say. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 07:01, 19 March 2012 (CDT)
+== The guns of the survivors ==
+Way back in episode one of the series we see Rick load up all of the available weapons from the precinct's armory for his journey to Atlanta. And while we've had about 18 episodes to ask the question we really haven't yet. If they weapons came from the police armory why do a good portion of the long guns appear to be hunting firearms? The Browning BAR, the Remington 700, the Remington 870 and such look out of place in the right context.
+- Well, I think that the older wooden-furniture Remington 870 and the Remington 700 can be explained, as it is a small, rural County Sheriff's Office in Georgia. Before the widespread distribution of tactical sniper rifles, M16's and M4's across America's police departments, police were using other weapons, such as the Remington 700 and the Winchester Model 70 for that purpose. Also, we see Rick gathering up the weapons AFTER the outbreak. The Sheriff's officers could have grabbed the new firearms and left the older ones, which would still be in the armory for storage and reserve purposes. If the story was broadened, it would probably show the other Sheriff's deputy's taking tactical rifles and carbines to employ them in the field. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]
+:One thing that always struck me as "unrealistic" about TWD has been the types and and amounts of guns depicted in seasons 1 and 2, along with the feelings of some of the characters toward guns. The setting for this show all along has been in Georgia, which in real life is a "red" pro-gun southern state with a longtime history of private gun ownership among a large percentage of the population. So far on TWD however, the way in which guns have been depicted seems somewhat more as if the show's setting has been in a "blue" anti-gun northeastern state like New Jersey!
+:In real-life Georgia, I have no doubt that there are many civilians who own at least one semi-automatic rifle chambered for a military cartridge and a few high-capacity magazines for it, and that number probably increased by even more after Obama got elected in 2008. Bearing this in mind, I can't see why there would not have been at least a few people in that survivor's camp outside Atlanta during season 1 armed with something more than just hunting firearms and handguns. The two "redneck" characters in season 1 - Merle and Daryl - they would have both had tactical-type rifles and hidden caches of ammunition for them if it had been up to me. Rednecks in real life have been stockpiling ammunition ever since Obama got elected. Plus, seasons 1 and 2 have had two former cops in the group - Rick and Shane - but neither one of them have ever seen the need to acquire better firepower. There were M4's and other weapons scattered all around the outside of the CDC in season 1, but nobody thought to pick any of them up. If I had been Rick, I would have been constantly telling everybody else in the group all throughout seasons 1 and 2 to keep gathering up guns and ammunition whenever possible. That one black bag Rick loaded up at the police station's armory in the first episode of season 1 could not possibly have held enough ammunition to last all the way to the end of season 2.
+:Then there were the anti-gun sentiments among some members in the group - Lori in season 1 and 2, and Hershel in season 2. Lori's objections to her son Carl learning how to shoot struck me as being a bit odd. Lori is supposed to be a housewife from a small town in the South who is married to a cop, not a soccer mom with a career from a liberal anti-gun upbringing. Being that Carl is the son of a southern small town cop, I think it would have been more realistic if he had already learned a few things about shooting from his dad Rick long before the outbreak. Hershel's attitude towards guns struck me as being most odd. Hershel is supposed to be a cattle rancher from rural Georgia, so when he said that he did want his property to become an "armed camp" from the group carrying guns around, I was shaking my head by then. Cattle ranchers in real life often have to keep a gun handy to kill coyotes and other pests. I doubt that coyotes would stay away from a farm or ranch with livestock on it after a zombie apocalypse starts. I would have to say that Hershel seemed to redeem himself later in season 2 when he said that he knew how to shoot, although he did not like to. In the season 2 finale however, Hershel seemed to be very much into showing off his shooting skills. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 10:43, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
+::I just want to say a couple of things about this rant. First, you are being very stereotypical about the South, thinking that everyone is a gun-toting redneck. I can speak from experience because I am from the most anti-gun state in the country, Massachusetts, I think I can guarantee that there are at least a few people living in the South who don't like firearms. Like I said, I am from Massachusetts, but I like guns, unlike most of the state and most of the Northeast for that matter, except New Hampshire of course. Also, the show takes place a few weeks after the zombie outbreak, most of the people with the military caliber firearms have probably long since left and moved to places they would think was safer. About Rick teaching Carl to shoot guns, he is a cop, so maybe he has seen people get badly hurt by guns, so he didn't want anything to happen to Carl. Hershel knows how to shoot pretty well. I am guessing by his hate for guns, he probably faced some kind of horrible incident in the past that resulted from him using a gun. Again, this is just speculation. In the season 2 finale, Hershel showed his shooting skills because by this time, his outlook on the undead had completely changed. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:01, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
+:::We love our guns up here in New Hampshire! Rick teaching Carl about guns is a good thing and something that is needed. He'll be needing to use that gun more considering how the world has become with the Zombies. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:57, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
+::::Oh no, I completely agree with teaching Carl to use guns after the zombie outbreak, but I mean before the outbreak maybe Rick didn't have any motivation to teach his son to use guns, that's all. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 19:36, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
+:::::SmithandWesson36, have you been to the South much? I have. I have been to most of the southern states myself, and not just to the large cities and tourist spots, either. I also live in a somewhat rural part of Pennsylvania - it's had some population growth over the last 15 years. Anyway, the point I was trying to make above is that these days, in the "red states" of the South and other rural areas, there are more tactical type rifles in the hands of "plain folks" civilians than ever before. It's more than some people may even realize or want to admit, and the buyers are not necessarily ones who fit the "redneck" mold. Case in point: Not long after Obama was elected in 2008, the biggest gun shop in my area was packed every time I went in to browse. The gun shop's employees were often telling me back then that they could not keep up with the demand for semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 Remington. I made some small talk there once with a single mom, who seemed articulate enough, not a redneck type, etc. She was with her teenage son - they were there to buy her first gun. She bought a Yugo SKS rifle. (I think she wanted to buy an AR type rifle at first, but the SKS was much cheaper.) Also in 2008, I went to several parts of North Carolina at different times that year. I noticed that even the small pawn shops in the suburban "Research Triangle" area of NC had at least one or two AK type rifles. Plus, every time I have been to either of the two shooting ranges that I regularly go to, there has always been at least one person there shooting his or her own AR type rifle. Based upon my own personal experiences such as these, this is part of the reason why wrote what I did above. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 01:11, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+Originally this started out as a discussion about why a police precinct would have hunting firearms in the armory. I don't really know how we got into the portrayal of red state/blue state issues in the show and about who personally owns what and why as opposed to something else.
+As to the anti-gun bias on the show, I believe that it's to some degree understandable when considering everything. Rick and Shane are police officers, their training dictates that firearms not in the hands of fellow officers are a threat to their safety. Even if the dead have started walking that training is still with them and they're going to be relying on what they know. Hershel's stance is understandable because he sees the Walkers as sick people in need of help, not open slaughter like what was possibly being shown on the news reports. He understands that the survivors don't see things his way and would rather shoot a Walker rather than help it and he wants to prevent that...at least until after Shane opens his eyes to the truth. Lori is a mother and worries about the safety of her son, possibly because so many kids get shot and killed each year and was afraid of contributing to that. It's also possible she's opposed to the idea of Carl learning to shoot because it doesn't jive with her hopes of the world returning to what is used to be when there was order and safety. It's possible she views the idea of her child growing up cold and hard is just another nail in the coffin of the world having any sort of order to it again and she doesn't want to be swinging that hammer. --[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
+:Thank you, Ballistics_Expert, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I wasn't arguing anything about red state/blue state, I'm simply stating that not everyone single person in the South loves guns and some are opposed to them. I didn't mean anything political by that, I just meant that anywhere you go, there will be people who disagree with the common concensus of the area. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:37, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+...and back to the subject...reason would lead one to believe the other cops already took the duty guns at the begining and all that was left was confiscated guns left in the evidence locker or something.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:44, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+:Plausible, considering Shane's M4-stocked Mossy sort of stands out from the rest of the group's guns. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:29, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+::I don't know about anyone else here, but my experience with firearms and viewing preferences with firearms-related TV shows is much more based in real life than in make-believe. I shoot my semi-auto tactical rifles and 1911 pistols on a regular basis and I know many other people who do likewise. I have been to gun shops, gun shows, and gun ranges all over this country. TWD is the only fictional TV show that I am into these days - all the other ones I watch are the "reality" shows on History Channel, Discovery, NatGeo, etc. ("Sons of Guns"/"Doomsday Preppers"/"American Guns"/"Top Shot" - just to name a few.) If you watch shows like these, have been to the South as often as I have been, have been around many gunners like I have, and have seen what I have seen, you probably also would have been a bit disappointed to see how nobody in season 1 of the TWD already had at least one modern semi-auto tactical carbine, or even an older military surplus rifle such the M1 Garand or the SKS. I have already tried to point out how it is actually quite common in real life for civilians in "red" states like Georgia to own semi-auto rifles such as these, and it's not just the hardcore "redneck" types who own them now - it's more like people from all walks of life instead. As a matter of fact, due to an overwhelming demand from the civilian market, Sturm Ruger, America's largest gun maker, actually had to halt production temporarily just this week. Bearing all of this in mind, this is why I say that it should not have even mattered if Rick and Shane's hometown police station's armory had already been looted of all the tactical carbines. As for some people in the South being anti-gun/non-gun-owners, sure, they exist, but they are nowhere as nearly numerous as the anti-gunners/non-gun-owners are in a "blue" state up North like New Jersey, and these are exactly the types of people who are mostly likely going to die first and die the most in a widespread zombie outbreak, simply because they will be totally unarmed before an outbreak begins. The percentage of lawful gun owners in most of the "red" states is 50% or greater. In most of the "blue" states, the percentage of lawful gun owners is as low as 10%.
+::Now, one thing that did strike me as "realistic" about the depiction of "blue" states in TWD were the characters of Dave and Tony in the "Nebraska" episode. Both of them seemed to me as being very much "blue" state guys - it was as if they were two lost cast members of the "Jersey Shore" show or something. (Could you imagine having to rely on people like them during a zombie outbreak? Would you want "Snooki" or "the situation" in your survivor group?) What I mean by this is that Dave and Tony both acted like cocky jerks with chips on their shoulders. Dave actually did mention something about meeting Tony along Route 95 outside of Philadelphia, which is also rather close to the Jersey Shore for those of you who did not know this. Much like a great many of the "blue" state folks, neither Dave nor Tony were likely gun owners, or had had any firearms training prior to the zombie outbreak. Dave actually mentioned that he got his SIG pistol off a dead cop. For all we know, Dave was the one who killed that cop, in cold blood, no less. Tony had a sawn-off Mossberg HS12 - he was probably the one who cut the stock on it down, too. If that is what happened, then it just goes to show how clueless Tony was about guns in general. Just about everything Dave and Tony said and did in the "Nebraska" episode was ignorant, rude, and rubbed me the wrong way. How Rick handled Dave and Tony was one of the best decisions he made during all of season 2 as far as I am concerned. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 20:41, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+:::Okay, I'm sorry, but I am still confused about why you keep bringing up "blue states" and "red states," all I am trying to say is that maybe all the modern, military caliber weapon wielding people left with their weapons to find better shelters out of a small town with no protection. I don't get what you mean by having people from the Jersey Shore as survivors in your group, I have a friend with relatives from the Jersey Shore who are not orange-skinned Italians. You also say that Dave and Tony are ignorant and rude because they come from a "blue" state? I'm sorry, but you are rudely stereotyping people, which has nothing to do with what this discussion is about. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:26, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+Anyway, getting back to the original topic,there is an Android Walking Dead game made by AMC and explains the first events of the outbreak right after Rick got shot, all the way up to Shane heading to the hospital to save Rick. According to the game, there were only three officers at the station when the first zombies attacked, Shane, Leon, and someone named Don. Judging by the fact that there are times when only three officers are at the station, there are probably not too many officers in this small town. I think that the police force of this town might just have been too small for it to have the budget to buy tactical rifles and they didn't really have the need for more firepower than hunting firearms. How much crime can a tiny town have, right? This is obviously just speculation, but it is my opinion. Although the real reason for their weapons could just be that a zombie show would be boring if the survivors were untouchable because they had military-grade firepower and tons and tons of ammo. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 22:06, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+== Police Armory ==
+Hello everybody. Pretty spirited discussion going on above. Okay first of all (don't know how applicable this is, but here goes) I'm a police officer. October 12, 2012 will make twelve years for me. I'm also in Idaho which is in the Northwest, but very much a Red State. My department has 63 sworn officers (full-time) and eight reserve officers. I think. Our city is closing in on 50,000 residents.
+Our swat team is called TRT (Tactical Response Team). We have two snipers. Both are equipped with Remington 700 rifles in .308. The rifles have 18" heavy barrels, synthetic sticks, scopes, bipods ect. All the gee-whiz tactical stuff. The other TRT members are equipped with Colt AR-15 carbines (16" barrel) and all the various accoutrements that have come to be assocaited with the AR-15 platform in the past decade. TRT officers are issued their rifles by the department.
+Other offcers who wish to carry an AR-15 have to purchase the rifle out of their own pocket and attend a week long class. They have to qualify with the rifle at the end of the week if they hope to carry the rifle. The department supplies forty rounds for the rifle.
+If you don't want to purchase a rifle you can carry a Remington 870 Police shotgun (supplied by the department) in 12 gauge, but it isn't mandatory.
+We are issued either a [[Glock 21]] (45acp) or a [[Glock 19]] (9mm) if the 21 is too large and so on. I carry the [[Glock 19]] and I am also authorized to carry the [[Glock 26]] and the [[Smith & Wesson Model 49 "Bodyguard"]] as my backups and off duty pieces.
+Only a couple years before I joined my department the TRT officers were carrying the [[Ruger Mini-14]] with the wooden stock and the [[Remington 870]] shotgun - also with the wooden stock. There was just one sniper and he carried the [[Savage 10/110 Series Rifles|Savage 110]] in .243 also outfitted with a wooden stock.
+Officers were allowed to carry whatever type of semi-auto handgun they wanted as long as it was in 9mm, 40S&W or 45 acp. We didn't go to issuing Glocks until 2006.
+So as you see it only been over the past fifteen years (more or less) that my department has gotten "modern". I can guarantee that there are many smaller departments out there (in the U.S.) that are still playing catch-up. So the police gun vault that we see in the first episode isn't that difficult to believe in. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:41, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
+==Herschel's Shotgun==
+is it just me or did herschel's shotgun have like unlimited ammo, cause he was just laying those shells into the zombies like a boss
+:Yeah, I was thinking that too, when I watched the episode. I think he reloaded maybe once, and was able to get off upwards of 20 shells out of that. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 22:08, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
+::Yep. Evidently I wasn't around when the local Cabelas was selling the special Remington 870 "Hollywood" configuration. Darn it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:16, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
+== Herschel's SIG ==
+Is it just me or does it look a tad too short to be a P226? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 00:11, 29 March 2012 (CDT)
+:It also has a rounded trigger guard which makes it a P228/  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:46, 29 March 2012 (CDT)
+==Mossberg HS12==
+Uh, are there ANY other screencaps of this gun?  The one we have does NOT prove that it is a Mossberg HS12 on its' own.  I'm sure that there are other screenshots available (I don't work on this page so I count on others to do it).  But right now it is a vague and nondistinct image and thus a new gun page for the Mossberg HS12 was created just for this one entry.  We need to verify that this gun ID is correct.  Thanks.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:55, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
+== Season 3 Mystery suppressed Gun ==
+Just found this image online. It's apparently a season 3 sneak peek snapshot. What is Rick holding? Almost looks like a two tone glock with a stielhandgranate taped to it, stick pointing towards us.... but its obviously not=P
+http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/4/46/Rick.JPG
+:Definitely looks like a glock. The can looks like a big Mag-lite to me. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 21:33, 5 June 2012 (CDT)
+::I'm making an assumption, but it's safe to say it's the same Glock 17 he used in the season 2 finale. Seems like he will be using this pistol along with his Colt Python a lot next season. The suppressor was a pleasant surprise. Given the situation in the show, it's probably just a crude, homemade suppressor made with whatever materials he could scrounge.
+I think it might be one of the Russian PBS suppressors, I have to agree with ^ it is good to see a suppressor for once when facing zombies.[[User:Recon42|Recon42]]
+The suppressor looks like the one that you see on a mac-10 in desperado image and the silencer in that image looks similar.[[User:Balin21|Balin21]]
+For sure it's a Glock, however I was thinking it was a crude homemade suppressor, [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:28, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
+Remember Rick has T Dog's glock(shane hid his then took t dog's and rick took it when he killed shane) and the suppressor does look like a mac 10 suppressor bt it is likely homemade. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 08:50, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
+I think it is a home-made suppressor made from a [http://www.maglite.com/D_Cell_LED.asp Maglite 2 D-cell torch] (or maybe the 3 cell is hard to tell from that shot). The tube with a hole drilled in the base cap alternating between fabric packing and empty chambers would probably kind of work as a suppressor, hard bit would be somehow attaching the lamp end to the muzzle.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:59, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
+On the talking dead, the producers state it is a flashlight as a makeshift suppressor --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:11, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
+== First look at David Morrissey ==
+First picture of David Morrissey as the Governor is up, he'll be the chief antagonist for some time to come on the show. One of his men in the background is holding something in his hand over his shoulder...can anyone make it out?
+http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=91132
+Too blurry, but my first thought was some form of speargun:
+http://i.pgcdn.com/pi/1/87/67/18767193_260.jpg
+Then again, I just got back from Cancun so I got fishing on the mind =P
+--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:02, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
+The Governor appears to carry a silver/nickel semi-automatic, possibly a 1911 variant, with black grips in a cross draw holster. Looking forward to more detailed screencaps. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 12:12, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
+== Season 3 ==
+Season 3 trailer is up, lots of footage to comb through! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcXvotzU2k
+Im willing to screencap it but its to low quality for me. Maybe someone else can [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 09:09, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
+Merle is back. Hopefully this season will have a bit more zip than Season 2. With the exception of the last couple episodes S2 was a little on the slow side. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
+In the trailer I can see a helicopter from the UH-1 series along with an MG that I could not ID due to the low quality also the prison had some firearms available inside, Rick used a used a silenced handgun that may be a Glock. Also what kind of firearms would be availible to prison guards anyways? [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]
+I uploaded some caps and put them on the page. [[User:theman838|theman838]]
+The handgun used by Rick is some kind of Glock, yeah (there was a large poster of Rick holding it in the background on The Talking Dead last week), but they said the "silencer", prop-wise, is actually a flashlight. lol [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:17, 14 July 2012 (CDT)
+Merle's bayonet is a WWII M1 Bayonet my grandfather gave me his when he past.
+Should we put the armorer showing an m4a1 and at4 on talking dead on the page for behind the scenes ?
+== Unknown weapons ==
+Please, I know that this is a discussion about T.W.D tv series but can someone add the gas grenade of Hell Of The Living Dead film? I request this because this is a zombie film/tv discussion!
+:No, this is a discussion about TWD, not a general zombie genre discussion. If you have anything to say about ''[[Hell of the Living Dead]]'', you might try putting it on the talk page for that film. Also, there's no need to double post. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:37, 21 August 2012 (CDT)
+== Page to crowded for another season  ==
+I think we should create a new page for season 3 when in comes out for new shots of the guns do to the fact this page already has 2 seasons on it and a third would make it too crowded.--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] 16:24, 25 August 2012 (CDT)
+:Too long you say? [[The Unit]] and [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] didn't seem too bad, i think its more about cleaning it up rather than how many articles, such as limiting 3-4 photos per Firearm (two screens and one of the Firearm) rather than the random stack at the moment (The Python currently has 10 photos). [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 15:55, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
+::"Modern Warfare 3" is one game so it can't really be split up into anything, and "The Unit" is one of the early pages on here that was finished before splitting into seasons become a thing. Ideally it would be split, but it is a big job requiring someone to pretty much re-watch the whole thing to verify what guns are in what seasons and to get more caps. Personally I wouldn't split this yet, would wait and see how many different guns are in season 3.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:31, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
+:::Maybe i shouldn't delete all the seasons of the unit just yet off my HDD, haha. is there anything other than [[Burn Notice]] that's been split? (i haven't been back on here in a few months.) [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 14:11, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
+::::[[Chuck]], [[Miami Vice]], [[CSI]], [[Law & Order]], [[24]], [[Hawaii Five-O]], [[Falling Skies]], and [[Justified]]. Just to name a few. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:00, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
+:::::I was initially against splitting pages up but I think it's of benefit now because you can have screengrabs from each season for the respective firearms that show up in every season which proves that they're still using the same gun and haven't started using a different one. So I say that it's probably for the best that it is split. From the looks of it there's going to be a shed load of new firearms that will be added this season too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 18:57, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
+== Improvised Supressors? ==
+Having a discussion (Also known as a argument :P) with a friend over what was used for the suppressors on Rick and Carl's hand guns, I believe Rick's was a Glock of some type with what looked to me was a Maglight; Carl using a Beretta 92 (F) with what looked like a cut and modified steel baseball bat, can any one verify this? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 22:09, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
+:I've got link that proves its a flashlight suppressor the style appears to be a maglite http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/rick-grimes-the-walking-dead-silencer.jpg and there's also one of guy with the governors http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/boomslang45/suppressor-1.jpg also in the opening scene when Carl walks threw a door the suppressor gets wider from the left to right i think your right it is a bat . --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 14:52, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
+== Carl's gun holster ==
+Does anyone know what kind of gun holster Carl uses in season 3?

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I rewatched the first episode.

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What kind of rifle did Meryl have?

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WOW!!!!!!! AWESOME ENDING (SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!)

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Police Armory

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