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=Unidentified= | |||
== Please help ID == | |||
Please help ID the following: --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 11:49, 19 January 2015 (EST) | |||
[[File:Robo2 406.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The long barreled pistol in his right hand.]] | |||
:The first one looks like a Thompson except much smaller. The barrel appears to have been cut the same way as a Thompson SMG. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 07:50, 19 February 2015 (EST) | |||
:: I'd agree but the main receiver seems too short (doesn't seem to extend beyond the rear of the pistol grip as much as an actual Tommy gun), and there doesn't seem to be any lower receiver like there'd be on a Thompson - This is exemplified by the pistol grip that is too high and too close to the main receiver. That said, it could be a partially-assembled version or something, meant to be used only as a static prop. I also remember there being Tommy gun 'pistols' out there - This could be one of those, but I think the pistols were just the SMGs sans buttstock and foregrip, and again, the receiver isn't quite right. So I'm not sure about that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:06, 19 February 2015 (EST) | |||
:::You are probably right. I cannot shake the feeling though that during my years on the internet (!) I have seen this weapon before.. Meaning outside of Robocop 2..It's annoying not to be able to remember. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 16:59, 19 February 2015 (EST) | |||
=Discussion= | |||
The machine gun that Hob uses is not a Browning M1919, but a Browning M2 with a ported casing for better cooling. So it looks a little bit like a M1919. It can be clearly identified by the big .50 caliber rounds in the belt. The M1919 uses the .30-06 Springfield which is much smaller cartridge. --[[User:Hob|Hob]] 00:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC) | The machine gun that Hob uses is not a Browning M1919, but a Browning M2 with a ported casing for better cooling. So it looks a little bit like a M1919. It can be clearly identified by the big .50 caliber rounds in the belt. The M1919 uses the .30-06 Springfield which is much smaller cartridge. --[[User:Hob|Hob]] 00:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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If the weapons were fired on full Auto, then they were not A2.s The M16A2 and A4 have three fire positions: Safe, Semi and Burst. the M16A1 and A3's however have Safe, Semi and Full Auto. Judging by the heat sheild on this weapon, it was an A3. Also, all M16's have the same flash suppressors on them, from the original to the A4. | If the weapons were fired on full Auto, then they were not A2.s The M16A2 and A4 have three fire positions: Safe, Semi and Burst. the M16A1 and A3's however have Safe, Semi and Full Auto. Judging by the heat sheild on this weapon, it was an A3. Also, all M16's have the same flash suppressors on them, from the original to the A4. | ||
:From the [[M16A2]] section -<br>''In contrast to the real world M16A2 rifle adopted by the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, '''most of the A2s seen in movies are A2 'kits' built on A1 full auto lower receivers (or converted A2 style receivers).''' Most movie "M16A2" rifles have the A1 Birdcage flash hider installed, since Cinematographers want the "starburst" of the Flash to go all the way around, not just divert upwards (as is the case with the correct A2 Flash hider). In the real world, the fully automatic version of the M16A2 is known as the M16A3, '''however, because nearly all movie "M16A2s" fire full automatic, it is not IMFDB policy to designate these rifles as "M16A3s" when identifying them in movies, since in nearly all cases they are intended to pass for M16A2s.''''' | |||
--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC) & [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: A second note, the 'heat shield' (which I assume you mean is the handguard) is exactly the same between the M16A2 and the M16A3 (In fact, the A2 and A3 are exactly the same aside from burst/full-auto capability). Also, the flash suppressor is in fact NOT the same between the M16 series of rifles, as you can read on the M16 page itself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Additions == | |||
Got what I believe were all the missing guns. I'm not so sure about a couple of ID's but otherwise I think the page is pretty much complete. I certainly think it's much better with the additional entries. What do you guys think? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:41, 30 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
:Yep, its great, but remember to remove the black bars from your pics. Otherwise, it's perfect.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 16:26, 30 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
:: Bah, forgot that it does that.. annoying. (In my case, you don't even see 'em til the image is saved.. bah) I'll remember to catch it next time. Unless you want to make me suffer and clean-up and re-upload all of them now. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 30 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
::: Cleaned the screencaps up, they look somewhat better now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 11:53, 1 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
==Shorty 870 Shotgun== | |||
[[Image:Remington870Pstlgrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Short-barreled Remington 870 with pistol grip - 12 Gauge]] | |||
[[Image:RC2-ShortShotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A thug uses a shorty Remington 870 before being gunned down by RoboCain.]] | |||
[[Image:RC2-ShortShotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The thug drops the 870.]] | |||
Granted the image is a bit blurry but it seems to me the receiver and trigger don't look quite like that of the Remington. That plus the mag tube endcap, I think this is actually an [[Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:50, 19 January 2015 (EST) | |||
==AK variant with long compensator/flashhider/whatever== | |||
I just noticed this during the druglab bust: | |||
[[File:Robocop2AKVariant01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the extended barrel.]] | |||
What variant of the AK is this? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 16:41, 17 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
*edit* | |||
The stock, (once he drops the weapon), looks black as in a composite material in case it helps with ID. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 16:42, 17 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
:I'm pretty sure that the rifle is just a Type 56 based on the front sight, fitted with some kind of flash hider or muzzle brake. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:51, 17 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
::Dang nabbit! I was hoping for an exotic model! [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 11:20, 18 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::All of the AKs in this movie are Chinese Type 56 variants, and quite a few are fitted with this flash hider, as we pointed out on the page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 13:17, 18 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
::::Bugger! I didn't catch that. :P [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 15:39, 18 March 2016 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:39, 18 March 2016
Unidentified
Please help ID
Please help ID the following: --Ben41 (talk) 11:49, 19 January 2015 (EST)
- The first one looks like a Thompson except much smaller. The barrel appears to have been cut the same way as a Thompson SMG. Dudester32 (talk) 07:50, 19 February 2015 (EST)
- I'd agree but the main receiver seems too short (doesn't seem to extend beyond the rear of the pistol grip as much as an actual Tommy gun), and there doesn't seem to be any lower receiver like there'd be on a Thompson - This is exemplified by the pistol grip that is too high and too close to the main receiver. That said, it could be a partially-assembled version or something, meant to be used only as a static prop. I also remember there being Tommy gun 'pistols' out there - This could be one of those, but I think the pistols were just the SMGs sans buttstock and foregrip, and again, the receiver isn't quite right. So I'm not sure about that. StanTheMan (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2015 (EST)
- You are probably right. I cannot shake the feeling though that during my years on the internet (!) I have seen this weapon before.. Meaning outside of Robocop 2..It's annoying not to be able to remember. Dudester32 (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2015 (EST)
- I'd agree but the main receiver seems too short (doesn't seem to extend beyond the rear of the pistol grip as much as an actual Tommy gun), and there doesn't seem to be any lower receiver like there'd be on a Thompson - This is exemplified by the pistol grip that is too high and too close to the main receiver. That said, it could be a partially-assembled version or something, meant to be used only as a static prop. I also remember there being Tommy gun 'pistols' out there - This could be one of those, but I think the pistols were just the SMGs sans buttstock and foregrip, and again, the receiver isn't quite right. So I'm not sure about that. StanTheMan (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2015 (EST)
Discussion
The machine gun that Hob uses is not a Browning M1919, but a Browning M2 with a ported casing for better cooling. So it looks a little bit like a M1919. It can be clearly identified by the big .50 caliber rounds in the belt. The M1919 uses the .30-06 Springfield which is much smaller cartridge. --Hob 00:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Gun Store - Rocket Launcher
What happened to the bit on that unidentified rocket launcher used to blowup Robocop's Police Car when he responded to the Gun Store Robbery?
I think it is something worth discussing.
If I remember correctly, It appeared to be in a Dark Green, not 'Army' Green. It has a rather obvious Red Warhead in the Tube, and It was held with two hands on both grips.
Pauza 'Cobra Cannon'
(Moved from Main Page)
- Something happened with those shots there. Plus, I've always assumed the Pauza to be a upgraded Cobra Assault Cannon, given that we see it fire explosive rounds (albeit less powerful than the Barrett version's) when RoboCop confronts Cain/RoboCop 2. That's just me, though... --Clutch 04:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- I think that's just the movie exaggerating their power. I dunno if it's supposed to be the Cobra Assault Cannon or not. Maybe it's mentioned in the movie's script. But I would think that if it were supposed to be a Cobra, it wouldn't be seen in a display case with "Pauza Specialties" written over it, which is an obvious advertising plug for the manufacturer. -MT2008
- -- This has been discussed and stated on the RoboCop Archive. An excerpt of the script of a deleted scene confirms that the Pauza that RoboCop uses at the end of the movie is meant to represent a Cobra Assault Cannon. Why the Pauza is used instead of the Barrett M82 shown in the previous film is not entirely known. As for the the gun being in the 'Pauza Specialties' case at the gun store at the beginning of the film, you're right - sheer product plugging. StanTheMan
M16A2
If the weapons were fired on full Auto, then they were not A2.s The M16A2 and A4 have three fire positions: Safe, Semi and Burst. the M16A1 and A3's however have Safe, Semi and Full Auto. Judging by the heat sheild on this weapon, it was an A3. Also, all M16's have the same flash suppressors on them, from the original to the A4.
- From the M16A2 section -
In contrast to the real world M16A2 rifle adopted by the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, most of the A2s seen in movies are A2 'kits' built on A1 full auto lower receivers (or converted A2 style receivers). Most movie "M16A2" rifles have the A1 Birdcage flash hider installed, since Cinematographers want the "starburst" of the Flash to go all the way around, not just divert upwards (as is the case with the correct A2 Flash hider). In the real world, the fully automatic version of the M16A2 is known as the M16A3, however, because nearly all movie "M16A2s" fire full automatic, it is not IMFDB policy to designate these rifles as "M16A3s" when identifying them in movies, since in nearly all cases they are intended to pass for M16A2s.
--Predator20 02:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC) & StanTheMan 02:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- A second note, the 'heat shield' (which I assume you mean is the handguard) is exactly the same between the M16A2 and the M16A3 (In fact, the A2 and A3 are exactly the same aside from burst/full-auto capability). Also, the flash suppressor is in fact NOT the same between the M16 series of rifles, as you can read on the M16 page itself. StanTheMan 02:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Additions
Got what I believe were all the missing guns. I'm not so sure about a couple of ID's but otherwise I think the page is pretty much complete. I certainly think it's much better with the additional entries. What do you guys think? StanTheMan 14:41, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
- Yep, its great, but remember to remove the black bars from your pics. Otherwise, it's perfect.--Jackbel 16:26, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
- Bah, forgot that it does that.. annoying. (In my case, you don't even see 'em til the image is saved.. bah) I'll remember to catch it next time. Unless you want to make me suffer and clean-up and re-upload all of them now. :b StanTheMan 16:55, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
- Cleaned the screencaps up, they look somewhat better now. StanTheMan 11:53, 1 July 2011 (CDT)
Shorty 870 Shotgun
Granted the image is a bit blurry but it seems to me the receiver and trigger don't look quite like that of the Remington. That plus the mag tube endcap, I think this is actually an Ithaca 37 "Stakeout". StanTheMan (talk) 13:50, 19 January 2015 (EST)
AK variant with long compensator/flashhider/whatever
I just noticed this during the druglab bust:
What variant of the AK is this? Dudester32 (talk) 16:41, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
- edit*
The stock, (once he drops the weapon), looks black as in a composite material in case it helps with ID. Dudester32 (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure that the rifle is just a Type 56 based on the front sight, fitted with some kind of flash hider or muzzle brake. --commando552 (talk) 19:51, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
- Dang nabbit! I was hoping for an exotic model! Dudester32 (talk) 11:20, 18 March 2016 (EDT)
- All of the AKs in this movie are Chinese Type 56 variants, and quite a few are fitted with this flash hider, as we pointed out on the page. -MT2008 (talk) 13:17, 18 March 2016 (EDT)
- Bugger! I didn't catch that. :P Dudester32 (talk) 15:39, 18 March 2016 (EDT)
- All of the AKs in this movie are Chinese Type 56 variants, and quite a few are fitted with this flash hider, as we pointed out on the page. -MT2008 (talk) 13:17, 18 March 2016 (EDT)