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==Chrome or stainless steel?== | |||
I'm no expert on Desert Eagles, but I'm fairly certain they never plated any of their guns in Chrome. Pretty sure they are made entirely of stainless steel, and then polished.--[[User:James3|James3]] 21:19, 20 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
:It could have been an aftermarket chrome or nickel plating. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:32, 21 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
Actually, there were many optional finishes available for the Desert Eagle, including polished chrome and bright nickel. Check them out here: | |||
XXXXX [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] ([[User talk:Rafa|talk]]) 14:57, 2 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
I had posted a link to a pic showing all the finishes available for the pistol, but the link does no longer work, so I've removed it. Anyway, the finishes included brushed, matte and polished chrome, satin and bright nickel, bright blue, gold plating and a few more.[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] | |||
== Grenade == | |||
Clarence use a time-grenade to kill that OCP worker in his aparment (remember that he was with a lot of coke and a couple of girls), Clarence first shot the guy repeatedly with his supressed Dester Eagle, anyone know what tipe of grenade was????, that kind of bomb really exists????? | |||
I was listening to the audio commentary and they were talking about the grenade and one of the guys was talking about it being built on some old Japanese grenades, he also mentioned that he moved house and forgot about a box of the grenades that were deactivated that had the LAPD bomb squad out when the new owner of the house found them. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I really hate it when that happens. Moving is such chaos and forgetting your grenades is a pretty easy mishap. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:31, 2 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Bullet holes == | |||
I just watched this again and i noticed that near the end when Clarence is shooting at Lewis he hits her windshield with one shot yet it makes 5 or six holes in it. Any ideas? | |||
Robocop's auto-9 also seems to do this when he shoots a windshield, but at least his firearm shoots in bursts so at least there is a bit of an excuse | |||
Was he using a shotgun at that point (been awhile since I saw this)? If so it'd be the effect of the buckshot. | |||
No, at this point of the film he was using his desert eagle | |||
- The Desert Eagle impact (And yes, he was shooting a Deagle) is a mistake in the film. I noticed it a long time ago. Though I have to note that I can't really recall ever seeing the Auto-9 shoot at a windshield in the movie though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
He shoots at the windshield of the van Emil is driving which causes him to go into the toxic waste tank and the "buckshot" holes are used there. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== The LAR Grizzly == | |||
From the Main Page - ''-possible correction needed- Based on the pictures showing none of the thickness increases used to reinforce the basic 1911 slide design that the Grizzy has I suggest it's just a extended barrel "normal" 1911 type pistol. A Detonics Scoremaster possibly.'' | |||
I think the fellow makes a point - The images all show a 1911-looking pistol that doesn't have the thickened slide and squared-off trigger guard of a LAR Grizzly. Some additional pics might be needed but perhaps this is one that should be investigated/corrected. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster too. The custom MAC-10 that Emil uses was also used in Miami Vice. The Detonics Scoremaster was pretty frequent in Miami Vice also.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Image:Detonicsscoremaster.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Detonics ScoreMaster - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[Image:RoboCop 087.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A clubgoer catches Leon's LAR Grizzly after it's not knocked out of his hands by RoboCop.]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-250046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Oooooh! Guns, guns, guns!" Sal's bodyguard [[Allan Graf]] on the upper right aims his [[M1911 pistol series#LAR Grizzly Win Mag|LAR Grizzly]].]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-252244.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Sal's thug fires his [[M1911 pistol series#LAR Grizzly Win Mag|LAR Grizzly]] while Sal fires a [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]].]] | |||
[[Image:MV4-DETSCORE-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Honor Among Thieves?"]] | |||
[[Image:MV4-DETSCORE-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Honor Among Thieves?"]] | |||
Ah, good point, Pred. The two look awfully similar and as the custom MAC was used from MV it makes sense I suppose. I wasn't sure if more pics were needed, but it's kinda obvious with the first RC pic (rounded trigger guard) and last RC pic (Standard thickness slide). Kinda neat that some Miami Vice guns were re-used in RoboCop. | |||
Anyway, that comment was made some time back, though I didn't think much of it at the time. I guess I was kinda hoping it was still an actual LAR pistol - Not to take away from the Detonics but the LAR Grizzly is slightly neat-looking yet obscure piece and thus fit in RoboCop pretty well I thought. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
Bit of OT humour here, is it just me or does the guy in the last screenshot there look a bit like Jimmy Carr the stand up comedian? | |||
== Twirling the Sig P226 == | |||
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the p226 a double action pistol with no external safety? And isn't it almost SOP for cops to have a round chambered at all times. So if Murphy spins the gun on his finger like it's a revolver, wouldn't there be a risk of him pulling the trigger by accident? Then again in the next scene during the chase, we see Murphy pulling back the slide to bot his and his partner's gun, so I guess these cops keep their sidearms in condition 3 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
If you look carefully, when he finishes doing the twirling thing he replaces the magazine and chambers a round again. The pulling back the slide in the chase was more than likely there as a directing decision. It's a large fad of 80s and 90s films to see people racking the slides on their pistols even though they already have a round chambered. Demonlition Man has a good example in the final confrontation, Sly does a mid mag reload and racks the slide and you see a chambered round ejected. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 00:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
I saw the scene again and I paused several times while he was twirling. There was a mag in the gun. It could be an empty mag or no round was chambered. He spins it around and it impresses Luis and then we see him put a mag into the gun and he spins it a couple more times. Looking closer, the mag he inserts before spinning again was loaded. We don't see his gun again until the chase where he takes his out first, cocks it and then grabs Luis' gun and cocks that too. And yeah it was cool at the time. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Strange, maybe it was an empty mag to help with the balance on the gun. I found a video on youtube called "Peter Weller is Robocop" and he talks about doing the twirling gun trick. Quite an interesting video. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
More than likely he's twirling a rubber stunt gun until he has to load it. They cast those with the mags in.--[[User:James3|James3]] 21:18, 20 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
Speaking of the SIGs, Murphy uses one as his sidearm, Lewis uses a P9S as her sidearm, which Murphy borrows, but at the mill they both use a P226 and the P9S is gone. Any ideas? Or just a continunity error? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 12:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Most likely a continuity error. Due to the SIG Sauer P226 being a relatively new pistol at the time I think that they would have only had two of them on the whole production. It is usually standard protocal on a film shoot to have at least one back up "hero" pistol in case one malfunctions so whilst it is being repaired filming can still continue. Since Murphy and Lewis split up it would have been cheaper to just have the P226 and it's back up on set rather than having another two guns. Robocop was a very low budget film and they knew they were going to run out of money (hence they didn't film the killing of Murphy to the very end so they could get additional funds to finish the shoot). The reason that Lewis first uses a P9S is probably because down to it being a cheaper gun to rent than the P226 as the P9S appears to be used by everyone else apart from Murphy, and then after his death, Lewis. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:02, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
Lewis also used a P226 in the firing range scene where we "meet" the Auto 9. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:28, 2 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
==Expanded ED-209 section== | |||
Now that i got my own ability to get screencaps, I've taken it upon myself to expand the ED section considerably. I fear I have have gone a bit much on 'behind-the-scenes' info but I've seen other kinds of info on other pages so I thought it would be good, especially since it pertains to the guns. I also, of course, added some screencaps. That said, I think the page is perfect and has every other gun listed and whatnot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:34, 30 June 2011 (CDT) | |||
I don't mind the additional 'behind the scenes' info. I didn't know that they made the muzzle flashes out of cotton wool. So I'm happy for it to stay because I learnt something new today lol. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:41, 2 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
==The laser satellite "misfire"== | |||
Obviously the ''RoboCop'' franchise delves into the world of political and corporate corruption (Dick Jones, the Rehabs, etc.), so I can't help but think that the newscast reporting on the "misfire" of a military laser satellite killing "two former US presidents" is a fabricated story covering up a political assassination. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:37, 23 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:: Could be, could also be simply another 'glitch' much like the one with ED-209. The movie is full of satire against a lot of things, the overpowered, overdone nature of military hardware/weapons and the military-industrial complex itself being one of them. It literally could have been an accident, and meant to be another poke in that realm. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:45, 10 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
==The Mossberg 5500== | |||
Interesting, never even heard of such a gun.. but I must say it looks awful damn close. But I was under the impression it was a Remington, and that was confirmed.. But perhaps not? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:45, 10 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Trivia about the Police helmets == | |||
Just a useless trivia, not even worth uploading the Screens on this site for, but check out the two red things sticking out of the police helmets: | |||
[http://s28.postimg.org/bd527c2xp/vlcsnap_18h00m51s213.jpg Murphy to the right. Note the red thing sticking out of his helmet.] | |||
[http://s24.postimg.org/u6gce9cbp/vlcsnap_2015_05_29_18h04m53s45.jpg Lewis helmet, frontal view of the red things.] | |||
I'm pretty sure the propmakers inserted two car fuses into the helmets to make them look a bit high-tech. :) | |||
Here endeth the trivia. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 12:15, 29 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
== The gun to kill Murphy == | |||
I have the impression that Clarence used a different gun to kill Murphy with a headshot instead his usual Desert Eagle, could that be? | |||
[[Image:KillMurphy.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]] | |||
It looks almost like another Detonics Scoremaster, a blued one! --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 21:12, 18 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
: Nah, it's still the DE just with the extended barrel - I'll grant it's an odd angle in that shot which makes it look a bit off but it's still the same gun. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:32, 18 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Thank you. I tried to get a clearer shot, but that wasn't possible. It almost looked like a blued Scoremaster in that angle. --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 22:05, 18 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 02:05, 19 June 2018
Chrome or stainless steel?
I'm no expert on Desert Eagles, but I'm fairly certain they never plated any of their guns in Chrome. Pretty sure they are made entirely of stainless steel, and then polished.--James3 21:19, 20 April 2012 (CDT)
- It could have been an aftermarket chrome or nickel plating. --cool-breeze 03:32, 21 April 2012 (CDT)
Actually, there were many optional finishes available for the Desert Eagle, including polished chrome and bright nickel. Check them out here: XXXXX Rafa (talk) 14:57, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
I had posted a link to a pic showing all the finishes available for the pistol, but the link does no longer work, so I've removed it. Anyway, the finishes included brushed, matte and polished chrome, satin and bright nickel, bright blue, gold plating and a few more.Rafa
Grenade
Clarence use a time-grenade to kill that OCP worker in his aparment (remember that he was with a lot of coke and a couple of girls), Clarence first shot the guy repeatedly with his supressed Dester Eagle, anyone know what tipe of grenade was????, that kind of bomb really exists?????
I was listening to the audio commentary and they were talking about the grenade and one of the guys was talking about it being built on some old Japanese grenades, he also mentioned that he moved house and forgot about a box of the grenades that were deactivated that had the LAPD bomb squad out when the new owner of the house found them. --cool-breeze 22:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- I really hate it when that happens. Moving is such chaos and forgetting your grenades is a pretty easy mishap. :P Spartan198 04:31, 2 April 2011 (CDT)
Bullet holes
I just watched this again and i noticed that near the end when Clarence is shooting at Lewis he hits her windshield with one shot yet it makes 5 or six holes in it. Any ideas?
Robocop's auto-9 also seems to do this when he shoots a windshield, but at least his firearm shoots in bursts so at least there is a bit of an excuse
Was he using a shotgun at that point (been awhile since I saw this)? If so it'd be the effect of the buckshot.
No, at this point of the film he was using his desert eagle
- The Desert Eagle impact (And yes, he was shooting a Deagle) is a mistake in the film. I noticed it a long time ago. Though I have to note that I can't really recall ever seeing the Auto-9 shoot at a windshield in the movie though. StanTheMan 21:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
He shoots at the windshield of the van Emil is driving which causes him to go into the toxic waste tank and the "buckshot" holes are used there. --cool-breeze 15:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The LAR Grizzly
From the Main Page - -possible correction needed- Based on the pictures showing none of the thickness increases used to reinforce the basic 1911 slide design that the Grizzy has I suggest it's just a extended barrel "normal" 1911 type pistol. A Detonics Scoremaster possibly.
I think the fellow makes a point - The images all show a 1911-looking pistol that doesn't have the thickened slide and squared-off trigger guard of a LAR Grizzly. Some additional pics might be needed but perhaps this is one that should be investigated/corrected. StanTheMan 00:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster too. The custom MAC-10 that Emil uses was also used in Miami Vice. The Detonics Scoremaster was pretty frequent in Miami Vice also.--Predator20 00:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, good point, Pred. The two look awfully similar and as the custom MAC was used from MV it makes sense I suppose. I wasn't sure if more pics were needed, but it's kinda obvious with the first RC pic (rounded trigger guard) and last RC pic (Standard thickness slide). Kinda neat that some Miami Vice guns were re-used in RoboCop.
Anyway, that comment was made some time back, though I didn't think much of it at the time. I guess I was kinda hoping it was still an actual LAR pistol - Not to take away from the Detonics but the LAR Grizzly is slightly neat-looking yet obscure piece and thus fit in RoboCop pretty well I thought. StanTheMan 03:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Bit of OT humour here, is it just me or does the guy in the last screenshot there look a bit like Jimmy Carr the stand up comedian?
Twirling the Sig P226
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the p226 a double action pistol with no external safety? And isn't it almost SOP for cops to have a round chambered at all times. So if Murphy spins the gun on his finger like it's a revolver, wouldn't there be a risk of him pulling the trigger by accident? Then again in the next scene during the chase, we see Murphy pulling back the slide to bot his and his partner's gun, so I guess these cops keep their sidearms in condition 3 Excalibur01 00:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
If you look carefully, when he finishes doing the twirling thing he replaces the magazine and chambers a round again. The pulling back the slide in the chase was more than likely there as a directing decision. It's a large fad of 80s and 90s films to see people racking the slides on their pistols even though they already have a round chambered. Demonlition Man has a good example in the final confrontation, Sly does a mid mag reload and racks the slide and you see a chambered round ejected. --cool-breeze 00:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I saw the scene again and I paused several times while he was twirling. There was a mag in the gun. It could be an empty mag or no round was chambered. He spins it around and it impresses Luis and then we see him put a mag into the gun and he spins it a couple more times. Looking closer, the mag he inserts before spinning again was loaded. We don't see his gun again until the chase where he takes his out first, cocks it and then grabs Luis' gun and cocks that too. And yeah it was cool at the time. Excalibur01 02:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Strange, maybe it was an empty mag to help with the balance on the gun. I found a video on youtube called "Peter Weller is Robocop" and he talks about doing the twirling gun trick. Quite an interesting video. --cool-breeze 18:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
More than likely he's twirling a rubber stunt gun until he has to load it. They cast those with the mags in.--James3 21:18, 20 April 2012 (CDT)
Speaking of the SIGs, Murphy uses one as his sidearm, Lewis uses a P9S as her sidearm, which Murphy borrows, but at the mill they both use a P226 and the P9S is gone. Any ideas? Or just a continunity error? --Taurus96 12:09, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Most likely a continuity error. Due to the SIG Sauer P226 being a relatively new pistol at the time I think that they would have only had two of them on the whole production. It is usually standard protocal on a film shoot to have at least one back up "hero" pistol in case one malfunctions so whilst it is being repaired filming can still continue. Since Murphy and Lewis split up it would have been cheaper to just have the P226 and it's back up on set rather than having another two guns. Robocop was a very low budget film and they knew they were going to run out of money (hence they didn't film the killing of Murphy to the very end so they could get additional funds to finish the shoot). The reason that Lewis first uses a P9S is probably because down to it being a cheaper gun to rent than the P226 as the P9S appears to be used by everyone else apart from Murphy, and then after his death, Lewis. --cool-breeze 15:02, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Lewis also used a P226 in the firing range scene where we "meet" the Auto 9. Spartan198 04:28, 2 April 2011 (CDT)
Expanded ED-209 section
Now that i got my own ability to get screencaps, I've taken it upon myself to expand the ED section considerably. I fear I have have gone a bit much on 'behind-the-scenes' info but I've seen other kinds of info on other pages so I thought it would be good, especially since it pertains to the guns. I also, of course, added some screencaps. That said, I think the page is perfect and has every other gun listed and whatnot. StanTheMan 01:34, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
I don't mind the additional 'behind the scenes' info. I didn't know that they made the muzzle flashes out of cotton wool. So I'm happy for it to stay because I learnt something new today lol. --cool-breeze 05:41, 2 July 2011 (CDT)
The laser satellite "misfire"
Obviously the RoboCop franchise delves into the world of political and corporate corruption (Dick Jones, the Rehabs, etc.), so I can't help but think that the newscast reporting on the "misfire" of a military laser satellite killing "two former US presidents" is a fabricated story covering up a political assassination. Spartan198 (talk) 00:37, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
- Could be, could also be simply another 'glitch' much like the one with ED-209. The movie is full of satire against a lot of things, the overpowered, overdone nature of military hardware/weapons and the military-industrial complex itself being one of them. It literally could have been an accident, and meant to be another poke in that realm. StanTheMan (talk) 19:45, 10 October 2013 (EDT)
The Mossberg 5500
Interesting, never even heard of such a gun.. but I must say it looks awful damn close. But I was under the impression it was a Remington, and that was confirmed.. But perhaps not? StanTheMan (talk) 19:45, 10 October 2013 (EDT)
Trivia about the Police helmets
Just a useless trivia, not even worth uploading the Screens on this site for, but check out the two red things sticking out of the police helmets:
Murphy to the right. Note the red thing sticking out of his helmet.
Lewis helmet, frontal view of the red things.
I'm pretty sure the propmakers inserted two car fuses into the helmets to make them look a bit high-tech. :) Here endeth the trivia. Dudester32 (talk) 12:15, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
The gun to kill Murphy
I have the impression that Clarence used a different gun to kill Murphy with a headshot instead his usual Desert Eagle, could that be?
It looks almost like another Detonics Scoremaster, a blued one! --Exodianecross (talk) 21:12, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
- Nah, it's still the DE just with the extended barrel - I'll grant it's an odd angle in that shot which makes it look a bit off but it's still the same gun. StanTheMan (talk) 21:32, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
- Thank you. I tried to get a clearer shot, but that wasn't possible. It almost looked like a blued Scoremaster in that angle. --Exodianecross (talk) 22:05, 18 June 2018 (EDT)