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=Additional Variants= | |||
[[Image:Gewehr98scope.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 with Visar 2 3/4x scope - 7.92x57 mm Mauser]] | |||
[[Image:Mauser Gew 98 Sniper Rifle 1915.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser Gewehr 1898, modified in 1915 for use as sniper rifle. This rifle features rarely seen combination of turned down bolt handle and ''Lange-Visier'' sight.]] | |||
[[Image:Gewehr1898Glasvisier16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 fitted with a Zeiss Glasvisier 16 scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]] | |||
[[Image:SG98-05bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seitengewehr 98/05 bayonet, nicknamed "Butcher's Blade" by Allied soldiers.]] | |||
[[File:Karabiner 98k Sporter.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Waffenfrankonia Würzburg Gewehr 98 .30-06 "Cigarette Sporter" fitted with Böhler Stahl barrel. Cigarette Sporters were so-called due to them costing about a case of cigarettes from an Allied soldier to make. Many Kar 98k rifles would wind up in similar configuration after WWII.]] | |||
[[Image:MauserG98M.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser Gewehr 1898M - 7.92x57mm Mauser]] | |||
[[Image:Gewehr 1898 trench.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 trench - 7.92x57 mm Mauser]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
I agree with GM45 completely. The K98 Sniper doesn't belong on this page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC) | I agree with GM45 completely. The K98 Sniper doesn't belong on this page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
That second picture is actually a "Bicycle troops" rifle - the only one with the turndown bolt and lange rear sight. The Karabiner 98b was modeled almost exactly after it. Reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=KlReVu0HziIC&pg=PA188&dq=weimar+98+rifle | That second picture is actually a "Bicycle troops" rifle - the only one with the turndown bolt and lange rear sight. The Karabiner 98b was modeled almost exactly after it. Reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=KlReVu0HziIC&pg=PA188&dq=weimar+98+rifle | ||
==Gewehr 1898's in film== | |||
I was just wondering, is it easier to get, say, a Turkish model of the Mauser then the actual German? Seems that way with some films. | |||
*Somewhat. Unaltered G98s are relatively expensive today, or in very poor condition and less often available. Many of them were destroyed due to disarmament provisions after WWI, or converted, or kept in store, or sold to other countries. The Ottoman Empire had already received generous amounts of G98s (including more or less the entire 1916 Mauser Oberndorf am Neckar factory production run) as wartime ally, and was supplied with even more after the war as Germany turned towards shorter Karabiner rifles and got rid of most of the old stuff. Non-German Army Mausers are abundant, mostly in at least average condition, and very very inexpensive compared to the real (historically accurate) deal. [[User:Ungesehen|Ungesehen]] 19:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks man. That makes sense. [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 20:22, 5 January 2011 | |||
:Original Gewehr 98s are extremely hard to find in any condition - it took me 8 years of looking to get mine and it's a pretty one that I paid $600 for and considered a good deal. A nice one will often sell for $800 - $1000, as Ungesehen said, lots were destroyed in the war and the majority of the survivors were converted to any number of different models by half a dozen different countries. By comparison, Turkish M38 Mausers are plentiful, made a good substitute, and 5 years ago could be purchased for $80 each. That said, original WW1 Ottoman Mausers in 7.65mm are even rarer than original Gewehr 98s, again because they were all converted to 8mm M38s. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]] | |||
As a collector of the gew98 rifle and it's accessories some corrections are in order here. The pictures shown here for the gew98 - 3 of them have two incorrect captions. | |||
Pic No1 is correctly labled as a gew98 . | |||
Pic No2 is incorrectly labaled as a "sporter". It is in fact the Standard Modell as made by mauser oberndorf for export from 1924 until at least 1935. As well many of these were obtained by the german government and various nazi orgs before and after the adoption of the 98k in 1934. | |||
Pic No3 is incorrect. The rifle pictured is one of the many versions of the Scharfschutzengewehr98 used during the great war. It is not a radfahrergewehr as bicyclist troop gew98's were not optically equipped and had the side mounted sling setup exactly like the kar88 and kar98a of the same period. As well the known radfarhergewehr98's obserevd are all Spandau 1914 manufacture. | |||
Original matching gew98's are not rare , pricey yes. Thankfully though there is not the fraud in doctored up gew98's like one has seen with WW2 german era rifles for several decades. 1918 manufactured gew98's are rather scarce as the germans ramped down gew98 production oin favor for carbines , pistols and MG's as tactics and needs evolved.As well the majority of gew98 1918 production was in store and subsequently destroyed by the allied control commission. Though mauser oberndorf supplied turkey with gew98's in large quantities in 1916, 1917 and 1918 , and those 'turked' with gew98's are common but as often in rough conditions.Previous to 1917 the germans supplied hundreds of thousands of gew88 rifles modified for the mauser 5 shot charger and these are common as well.Speaking of turkey after WW1 the turks rebarreled the majority of their 7,65 caliber mauser variants to 7,92 german service caliber and as noted are scarce in their original calibers. A large lot of turk mausers was supplied to Belgian troops that were captured from Gallipoli as the 7,65 caliber was common to the belgian 89 mauser rifle and carbines. | |||
== Original WW1 finish was white == | |||
Just a trivia: According to Ian of "Forgotten Weapons", the original Gew 98 reciever, bolt and buttplate were all white(original). The full bolt/reciever "bluing" was apparently only made in Germany AFTER the First World War. Other countries that used the Gew 98 during the war though did blue their weapons according to their own preference, but again: not Germany until after World War 1. So any (German) pre-war/WW1, dated Gew 98 rifle with blued finish had that finish applied after World War 1, including the profile pic for the Gew 98 article: | |||
[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]] | |||
[[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 10:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 13:19, 27 October 2022
Additional Variants
Discussion
I agree with GM45 completely. The K98 Sniper doesn't belong on this page. MoviePropMaster2008 06:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
That second picture is actually a "Bicycle troops" rifle - the only one with the turndown bolt and lange rear sight. The Karabiner 98b was modeled almost exactly after it. Reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=KlReVu0HziIC&pg=PA188&dq=weimar+98+rifle
Gewehr 1898's in film
I was just wondering, is it easier to get, say, a Turkish model of the Mauser then the actual German? Seems that way with some films.
- Somewhat. Unaltered G98s are relatively expensive today, or in very poor condition and less often available. Many of them were destroyed due to disarmament provisions after WWI, or converted, or kept in store, or sold to other countries. The Ottoman Empire had already received generous amounts of G98s (including more or less the entire 1916 Mauser Oberndorf am Neckar factory production run) as wartime ally, and was supplied with even more after the war as Germany turned towards shorter Karabiner rifles and got rid of most of the old stuff. Non-German Army Mausers are abundant, mostly in at least average condition, and very very inexpensive compared to the real (historically accurate) deal. Ungesehen 19:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks man. That makes sense. Crackshot 20:22, 5 January 2011
- Original Gewehr 98s are extremely hard to find in any condition - it took me 8 years of looking to get mine and it's a pretty one that I paid $600 for and considered a good deal. A nice one will often sell for $800 - $1000, as Ungesehen said, lots were destroyed in the war and the majority of the survivors were converted to any number of different models by half a dozen different countries. By comparison, Turkish M38 Mausers are plentiful, made a good substitute, and 5 years ago could be purchased for $80 each. That said, original WW1 Ottoman Mausers in 7.65mm are even rarer than original Gewehr 98s, again because they were all converted to 8mm M38s. - Nyles
As a collector of the gew98 rifle and it's accessories some corrections are in order here. The pictures shown here for the gew98 - 3 of them have two incorrect captions.
Pic No1 is correctly labled as a gew98 .
Pic No2 is incorrectly labaled as a "sporter". It is in fact the Standard Modell as made by mauser oberndorf for export from 1924 until at least 1935. As well many of these were obtained by the german government and various nazi orgs before and after the adoption of the 98k in 1934.
Pic No3 is incorrect. The rifle pictured is one of the many versions of the Scharfschutzengewehr98 used during the great war. It is not a radfahrergewehr as bicyclist troop gew98's were not optically equipped and had the side mounted sling setup exactly like the kar88 and kar98a of the same period. As well the known radfarhergewehr98's obserevd are all Spandau 1914 manufacture.
Original matching gew98's are not rare , pricey yes. Thankfully though there is not the fraud in doctored up gew98's like one has seen with WW2 german era rifles for several decades. 1918 manufactured gew98's are rather scarce as the germans ramped down gew98 production oin favor for carbines , pistols and MG's as tactics and needs evolved.As well the majority of gew98 1918 production was in store and subsequently destroyed by the allied control commission. Though mauser oberndorf supplied turkey with gew98's in large quantities in 1916, 1917 and 1918 , and those 'turked' with gew98's are common but as often in rough conditions.Previous to 1917 the germans supplied hundreds of thousands of gew88 rifles modified for the mauser 5 shot charger and these are common as well.Speaking of turkey after WW1 the turks rebarreled the majority of their 7,65 caliber mauser variants to 7,92 german service caliber and as noted are scarce in their original calibers. A large lot of turk mausers was supplied to Belgian troops that were captured from Gallipoli as the 7,65 caliber was common to the belgian 89 mauser rifle and carbines.
Original WW1 finish was white
Just a trivia: According to Ian of "Forgotten Weapons", the original Gew 98 reciever, bolt and buttplate were all white(original). The full bolt/reciever "bluing" was apparently only made in Germany AFTER the First World War. Other countries that used the Gew 98 during the war though did blue their weapons according to their own preference, but again: not Germany until after World War 1. So any (German) pre-war/WW1, dated Gew 98 rifle with blued finish had that finish applied after World War 1, including the profile pic for the Gew 98 article:
Dudester32 (talk) 10:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)