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German airmen man an unknown flak gun at the German airfield. | German airmen man an unknown flak gun at the German airfield. | ||
[[Image:BoBritain_flak_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | [[Image:BoBritain_flak_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | ||
==Unknown tank== | |||
Maybe a Matilda? | |||
[[Image:BoBritain_tank_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
I dont think its a Matilda. At least not a configuration I've seen before. If this scene was filmed in Spain also they might have dug up som lighter tanks from the Spanish Civil War. There were a bunch of Russian tanks in that war. Maybe its one of them? [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 03:28, 28 February 2013 (EST) | |||
After digging a bit I think its a British Tetrach MKVII Light Tank. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 03:36, 28 February 2013 (EST) | |||
[http://www.wwiivehicles.com/unitedkingdom/tanks-light/tetrarch-light-tank/light-tank-mk-vii-tetrarch-02.png Tetrach MKVII Light Tank] | |||
It's a Daimler Armoured car, I got an earlier frame. Just visible is the octaganal hull shape (whereas the Tetrach had a straight hull), the spare wheel mounted on the side and the curve of the rear mudguard. This won't change the armament as I'm pretty sure the Tetrarch used the same turret as the Daimler. --[[User:Maskedweasel|Maskedweasel]] ([[User talk:Maskedweasel|talk]]) 18:07, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::I stand corrected! Thank you! :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 15:48, 16 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Thanks. I made the change, but I'm not going to use the screencap, since it's got the black bars and it's in the wrong aspect ratio. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:21, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::BTW, it's always blown my mind that there were two separate companies with the name "Daimler" on opposing sides of the war. And even though they were named for the same guy, both names are pronounced differently. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:26, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Bbdaimler.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
==Dunkerque== | ==Dunkerque== | ||
There's an unidentified machine gun and some unidentified field guns. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:11, 27 February 2013 (EST) | There's an unidentified machine gun and some unidentified field guns. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:11, 27 February 2013 (EST) | ||
:The machinegun is probably a Vickers MG. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 03:39, 28 February 2013 (EST) | |||
[[Image:BoBritain_beach_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | [[Image:BoBritain_beach_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | ||
:The weapon that is seen between two field guns looks like a [[Boys anti-tank rifle]]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:07, 28 February 2013 (EST) | |||
== RAF fighter Squadron Codes (letters on the side of the aircraft) == | |||
This is strictly a trivia/goof and should be treated as such as it hasnt got anything to do with weapons. | |||
I re-viewed the movie again a few days ago and I noticed that the Squadron Codes (letters on the side of the Spitfire and Hurricane) does not (always) correspond to a factual, historical Squadron of Battle of Britain. For instance: [[Image:BattleBrit 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
Note the letters "KV" on the left of the Roundel. That means this Hurricane belonged to RAF No. 264 Squadron. The problem/goof is that this squadron was equipped with "Boulton Paul Defiant"-aircraft during the Battle of Britain. It wasn't until 1942 that they recieved the famous Mosquito aircraft which they used until the end of the war. In other words, the producers used fake/alternate Squadron Codes for the fighters of the movie. Even the German fighters and Bombers has alternate/downright false squadron codes/letters. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 16:23, 14 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Recovered Spitfire browning machine guns == | |||
Just a trivia, nothing for the article: A crashed spitfire was recovered after 70 years in the dirt from where it crashed, and one of its machine guns were recovered, cleaned and fired after 70+ years of being under ground. That same machine gun (browning, converted to .303 british caliber) was carried in the Hawker Hurricane and Spitfire model during Battle of Britain. Both aicraft carried eight guns each during the Battle. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 12:52, 30 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deYM9mCN9s | |||
== M37 howitzer motor carrige == | |||
I have a suspicion that the M37 howitzer is a further modified version than the original M37 howitzer as seen in [https://www.google.se/search?q=M37+Howitzer+Motor+Carriage&num=100&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii0Z7065DKAhUjc3IKHXdVCY8Q_AUIBygB&biw=1536&bih=684 these photos]. Compare those pics with the movie version (click to enlarge). [[Image:BoBritain_M37_01.jpg|thumb|none|200px|]] | |||
The movie version looks like a german Tiger Tank 88mm anti-tank gun judging by the very long barrel and the muzzle brake. Any opinions & comments? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 14:07, 4 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:Aside from the longer barrel and muzzle brake, it looks exactly like an M37. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:12, 4 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:12, 4 January 2016
Are the troops in the Lee-Enfield picture British or French? Is that from the beginning when they were leaving France? I don't think the British ever used the Adrian helmet. --funkychinaman 14:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
You're right - that scene is set on an airfield in France, RAF personnel and ground crew but French troops. It's difficult to be certain but I don't think they are SMLEs - the stock seems to finish a short distance back from the muzzle. This is wrong, of course, for the SMLE but would fit the No.4 variant, or alternatively the various correct French rifles (MAS36, Berthier ?). IKD 24 Feb 2011
The MG FF should not be listed as part of the Me-109E-s armament?
- These aren't really ME-109Es. They're postwar Spanish copies, with different armament. --Funkychinaman 18:11, 28 March 2011 (CDT)
Mauser 98k's or copies?
After watching the photo of the German guard I'm a bit skeptical to label it a Karabiner 98k. Look where the strap connects to the stock and then compare it to a genuine Karabiner 98k below. The screencap shows the strap connected to the left side of the stock near the butt. I belive that rifle is actually an Mauser derivative (of which there are many) Dudster32 (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- I reviewed the movie again, more specifically the scene where the Germans march into Dunkirk. I can see that several of their rifles have straight bolthandles. The strap is also connected on the left side of the stock as opposed to standard right side. :Dudster32 (talk) 06:15, 27 February 2013 (EST)
Is it correct to call these guys soldiers? Those look like Luftwaffe uniforms to me, but I have no idea what the correct term is for Luftwaffe personnel in this role. Jimmoy (talk) 12:06, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- I guess technically they'd be airmen, but the Luftwaffe covered a lot of bases in WWII, encompassing AA crews and paratroopers as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:15, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- Thanks very much. Really wasn't expecting a response that quickly. Jimmoy (talk) 12:30, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- Well, thats cool and all..But does anyone have an idea of what rifle they are carrying? :P Dudster32 (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- Like I said, in the topic you responded too, they dont look at all like Karabiner 98K. Dudster32 (talk) 13:29, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- It's on Netflix, so I'll flip through it and see if there are any better shots. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:15, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- My hypothesis was that they were M43 Spanish Mausers, since parts of the production were filmed in Spain and had the full cooperation of the Spanish military. I got some caps that appear to support that hypothesis. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:08, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- Thanks very much. Really wasn't expecting a response that quickly. Jimmoy (talk) 12:30, 27 February 2013 (EST)
Unknown flak gun
German airmen man an unknown flak gun at the German airfield.
Unknown tank
Maybe a Matilda?
I dont think its a Matilda. At least not a configuration I've seen before. If this scene was filmed in Spain also they might have dug up som lighter tanks from the Spanish Civil War. There were a bunch of Russian tanks in that war. Maybe its one of them? Dudster32 (talk) 03:28, 28 February 2013 (EST)
After digging a bit I think its a British Tetrach MKVII Light Tank. Dudster32 (talk) 03:36, 28 February 2013 (EST) Tetrach MKVII Light Tank
It's a Daimler Armoured car, I got an earlier frame. Just visible is the octaganal hull shape (whereas the Tetrach had a straight hull), the spare wheel mounted on the side and the curve of the rear mudguard. This won't change the armament as I'm pretty sure the Tetrarch used the same turret as the Daimler. --Maskedweasel (talk) 18:07, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
- I stand corrected! Thank you! :) Dudester32 (talk) 15:48, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
- Thanks. I made the change, but I'm not going to use the screencap, since it's got the black bars and it's in the wrong aspect ratio. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
- BTW, it's always blown my mind that there were two separate companies with the name "Daimler" on opposing sides of the war. And even though they were named for the same guy, both names are pronounced differently. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:26, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
Dunkerque
There's an unidentified machine gun and some unidentified field guns. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2013 (EST)
- The weapon that is seen between two field guns looks like a Boys anti-tank rifle. Greg-Z (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2013 (EST)
RAF fighter Squadron Codes (letters on the side of the aircraft)
This is strictly a trivia/goof and should be treated as such as it hasnt got anything to do with weapons.
I re-viewed the movie again a few days ago and I noticed that the Squadron Codes (letters on the side of the Spitfire and Hurricane) does not (always) correspond to a factual, historical Squadron of Battle of Britain. For instance:
Note the letters "KV" on the left of the Roundel. That means this Hurricane belonged to RAF No. 264 Squadron. The problem/goof is that this squadron was equipped with "Boulton Paul Defiant"-aircraft during the Battle of Britain. It wasn't until 1942 that they recieved the famous Mosquito aircraft which they used until the end of the war. In other words, the producers used fake/alternate Squadron Codes for the fighters of the movie. Even the German fighters and Bombers has alternate/downright false squadron codes/letters. Dudester32 (talk) 16:23, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
Recovered Spitfire browning machine guns
Just a trivia, nothing for the article: A crashed spitfire was recovered after 70 years in the dirt from where it crashed, and one of its machine guns were recovered, cleaned and fired after 70+ years of being under ground. That same machine gun (browning, converted to .303 british caliber) was carried in the Hawker Hurricane and Spitfire model during Battle of Britain. Both aicraft carried eight guns each during the Battle. Dudester32 (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2014 (EDT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deYM9mCN9s
M37 howitzer motor carrige
I have a suspicion that the M37 howitzer is a further modified version than the original M37 howitzer as seen in these photos. Compare those pics with the movie version (click to enlarge).
The movie version looks like a german Tiger Tank 88mm anti-tank gun judging by the very long barrel and the muzzle brake. Any opinions & comments? Dudester32 (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2016 (EST)
- Aside from the longer barrel and muzzle brake, it looks exactly like an M37. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2016 (EST)