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::Fooled me as well. Luckily I took an extra view of the Winter War DVD and caught the fact that the movie-gun had a hammer unlike the original gun. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:07, 11 August 2012 (CDT) | ::Fooled me as well. Luckily I took an extra view of the Winter War DVD and caught the fact that the movie-gun had a hammer unlike the original gun. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:07, 11 August 2012 (CDT) | ||
This is exactly TT pistol. On the presented on the film page screenshot is to clearly see TT slide stop lever and the magazine eject button. [[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] ([[User talk:Andrey Karchikyan|talk]]) 22:59, 19 October 2013 (MSK) | |||
== Article is now (almost) complete == | == Article is now (almost) complete == | ||
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== M/28, not M/39 == | == M/28, not M/39 == | ||
Hey, nice screenshots and a good article, but I'd like to note that the rifles used by the main character Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä) and also at least in one scene by 2nd lt Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) are actually M/28's (or possibly the upgraded version, M/28-30), and not M/39's. The M/28 was a variant of the Mosin-Nagant designed by the White Guard. Many White Guard memebers brought their self-acquired M/28's (among other things like uniforms) with them when the Finnish army was mobilized in the fall of 1939, and this is portrayed also in the movie. Only a handful of M/39's had been made when the Winter War began, and any further production was halted in favor of manufacturing parts for older Mosin-Nagant rifles. The most common Mosin-Nagant in the hands of Finnish soldiers in Winter War was the old M/91, which I believe is also portrayed in this movie. | Hey, nice screenshots and a good article, but I'd like to note that the rifles used by the main character Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä) and also at least in one scene by 2nd lt Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) are actually M/28's (or possibly the upgraded version, M/28-30), and not M/39's. The M/28 was a variant of the Mosin-Nagant designed by the White Guard. Many White Guard memebers brought their self-acquired M/28's (among other things like uniforms) with them when the Finnish army was mobilized in the fall of 1939, and this is portrayed also in the movie. Only a handful of M/39's had been made when the Winter War began, and any further production was halted in favor of manufacturing parts for older Mosin-Nagant rifles. The most common Mosin-Nagant in the hands of Finnish soldiers in Winter War was the old M/91, which I believe is also portrayed in this movie. --[[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]] | ||
::Hey man! If you got better ID for those rifles by all means go for it! :) I dont mind! I've just gone by what I've can find via google. If I'm wrong I got no prob with being proven me wrong :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 16:01, 13 August 2012 (CDT) | |||
:::Sorry to hijack this thread. Just some hair-splitting. The Hakala brothers clearly have improved m/28-30 rifles. It's distinguished from the m/28 by the improved Mansner pattern rear sight with a blocky base and straight sight leaf. I couldn't miss it since I grew up handling my grandpa's m/28-30. --[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::No problem, my knowledge of Finnish Mosin-Nagants is not very deep so I appericate the correction. By the way, it's been a while since I watched the movie, but wasn't there a Maxim MG also briefly in at least one scene? And does the 37 mm Bofors gun that was used once deserve to be mentioned? --[[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]] | |||
:::::Well, I messed with the description of the M/28-30 section more, since it had become somewhat confused at some point, but it's still a fairly unwieldy block of text... first I thought that maybe it should be cut down to match the rest of the article, but maybe it could stay until somebody gets around to modifying the general Mosin-Nagant article to include the M28-30 variant, and the info presented here. [[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]] ([[User talk:Elbastardo1891|talk]]) 19:08, 27 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Molotov Cocktail, anyone? == | |||
I'm new here, so this might be off-topic. The Molotov cocktails that appeared in the movie were actually official mass-produced weapons, thus possibly qualifying for IMFDB (incendiary grenades?). As mentioned in the movie, they were industrially produced by the Alko distillery in Rajamäki. These differ from the usual improvised Molotov Cocktails by having two long "Bengali sticks" (storm-proof matchsticks) fixed on the bottle--[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:31, 10 September 2012 (EDT). | |||
:As long as you explain that and provide some background, I have no objections. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:12, 10 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Tanks and anti-tank guns entry == | |||
Hey! I have some screencaps of the Russian tanks and a Finnish anti-tank gun. Would it be proper to add it to the article under "Various weapons" or "Other"? Dudester32 12:53, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
:Sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:01, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Sweet! By the way, how come my signature doesnt (nowadays) include a direct link to my User profile? All I see is "Dudester32" and the date, but no internal links. :P Dudester32 13:37, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Is it supposed to be "Dudester32"? You can play with your preferences. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::I'm not sure whats up. My original nick-name is "Dudster32", but that was actually a misspelling. I wanted it to be "Dudester32" (as in Dude, not Dud"). What I really would like is my name to be D"udester32"..I might have played with my preferences before, but I've forgotten all about it :P. Dudester32 16:04, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::Under My Preferences>Signature, there's a box for "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" yours might be checked. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:08, 25 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::::Oh right! Thanks mate! Dudester32 15:02, 26 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Tanks == | |||
I've added photos of the tanks. I'm not a tank-expert, but I'm fairly sure one of the two tanks featured is a 1933 T-26. Is the other one a later T-26? Dudester32 15:52, 26 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
:You're correct, they're both T-26's, one is the older T-26B model and the other is the later T-26C model, best identified by its new turret that has sloped armor. The movie also features one of the flamethrower variants of the T-26, (if I recognized it correctly) the OT-130. A couple of armored cars are also briefly seen towards the end of the movie, but I don't think they warrant a note. [[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]] ([[User talk:Elbastardo1891|talk]]) 04:28, 27 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
::I forgot about the flamethrower-tank. I got a good screencap of it and will upload it later. I think the armoured car is a BA-27. And yer right: Its not worth making an entry on them. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 04:48, 27 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 00:13, 29 July 2023
Husqvarna M/1907
Just a trivia..That particular gun was very long-lasting. My father did his military service as a NCO in the early 70's and he carried one of them. Either the Swedish Army was cheap or the gun was effective enough to last that long :) Dudster32 10:40, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
- One of the benefits of being a neutral country I guess. Stuff doesn't wear out as quickly. --Funkychinaman 11:00, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
- About 90,000 were produced in Sweden. In 1940 M/1907 was officially replaced by Lahti L35 as a service pistol but in 1980s Lahti were withdrawn from service and M/07 brought back for a decade - the last appearance of this honored, though unappreciated pistol. Greg-Z 11:07, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
- True I guess :) Though the M1911 pistol was used in the US Army until the 80's I think :) Dudster32 11:18, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
- By the way, speaking of the M/07 being replaced in Sweden. That too would explain why Finland got a few M/07's. Sweden probably didnt sell Finland the latest stuff but kept that for herself in case of war which I understand. :) Dudster32 11:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Tokarev TT-33 Pistol
After closer inspection (especially a scene I had forgotten about) I'm now sure the pistol that the actor is carrying actually a Tokarev TT-33 rather than my previously suggested FN Browning 1903 / Husqvarna. I saw a backside view of the gun and noticed there was a hammer and a large rear-sight, both of which aren't really a feature of the 1903. I was probably fooled by the fact that the 1903 and the Tokarev look almost identical at a distance. Dudster32 12:23, 10 August 2012 (CDT)
- Wow. I just noticed those two guns look insanely alike. Jeddostotle7 12:51, 10 August 2012 (CDT)
- Fooled me as well. Luckily I took an extra view of the Winter War DVD and caught the fact that the movie-gun had a hammer unlike the original gun. Dudster32 13:07, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
This is exactly TT pistol. On the presented on the film page screenshot is to clearly see TT slide stop lever and the magazine eject button. Andrey Karchikyan (talk) 22:59, 19 October 2013 (MSK)
Article is now (almost) complete
I took the liberty of removing the "incomplete" tag as the article is now 99% finished. I need to find a good pair of Russian Mosin-nagant rifle screenshots from the movie to put up which I'll do in a few days. By the way, are hand-grenades a requirement entry for an article? I've left it alone so far but I could probably add two entries. Dudster32 13:11, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
- If the grenades are distinguishable, then why not? --Funkychinaman 14:05, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
M/28, not M/39
Hey, nice screenshots and a good article, but I'd like to note that the rifles used by the main character Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä) and also at least in one scene by 2nd lt Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) are actually M/28's (or possibly the upgraded version, M/28-30), and not M/39's. The M/28 was a variant of the Mosin-Nagant designed by the White Guard. Many White Guard memebers brought their self-acquired M/28's (among other things like uniforms) with them when the Finnish army was mobilized in the fall of 1939, and this is portrayed also in the movie. Only a handful of M/39's had been made when the Winter War began, and any further production was halted in favor of manufacturing parts for older Mosin-Nagant rifles. The most common Mosin-Nagant in the hands of Finnish soldiers in Winter War was the old M/91, which I believe is also portrayed in this movie. --Elbastardo1891
- Hey man! If you got better ID for those rifles by all means go for it! :) I dont mind! I've just gone by what I've can find via google. If I'm wrong I got no prob with being proven me wrong :) Dudster32 16:01, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
- Sorry to hijack this thread. Just some hair-splitting. The Hakala brothers clearly have improved m/28-30 rifles. It's distinguished from the m/28 by the improved Mansner pattern rear sight with a blocky base and straight sight leaf. I couldn't miss it since I grew up handling my grandpa's m/28-30. --Ikuturso (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
- No problem, my knowledge of Finnish Mosin-Nagants is not very deep so I appericate the correction. By the way, it's been a while since I watched the movie, but wasn't there a Maxim MG also briefly in at least one scene? And does the 37 mm Bofors gun that was used once deserve to be mentioned? --Elbastardo1891
- Well, I messed with the description of the M/28-30 section more, since it had become somewhat confused at some point, but it's still a fairly unwieldy block of text... first I thought that maybe it should be cut down to match the rest of the article, but maybe it could stay until somebody gets around to modifying the general Mosin-Nagant article to include the M28-30 variant, and the info presented here. Elbastardo1891 (talk) 19:08, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
- No problem, my knowledge of Finnish Mosin-Nagants is not very deep so I appericate the correction. By the way, it's been a while since I watched the movie, but wasn't there a Maxim MG also briefly in at least one scene? And does the 37 mm Bofors gun that was used once deserve to be mentioned? --Elbastardo1891
Molotov Cocktail, anyone?
I'm new here, so this might be off-topic. The Molotov cocktails that appeared in the movie were actually official mass-produced weapons, thus possibly qualifying for IMFDB (incendiary grenades?). As mentioned in the movie, they were industrially produced by the Alko distillery in Rajamäki. These differ from the usual improvised Molotov Cocktails by having two long "Bengali sticks" (storm-proof matchsticks) fixed on the bottle--Ikuturso (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2012 (EDT).
- As long as you explain that and provide some background, I have no objections. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:12, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
Tanks and anti-tank guns entry
Hey! I have some screencaps of the Russian tanks and a Finnish anti-tank gun. Would it be proper to add it to the article under "Various weapons" or "Other"? Dudester32 12:53, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Sure. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:01, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Sweet! By the way, how come my signature doesnt (nowadays) include a direct link to my User profile? All I see is "Dudester32" and the date, but no internal links. :P Dudester32 13:37, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Is it supposed to be "Dudester32"? You can play with your preferences. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- I'm not sure whats up. My original nick-name is "Dudster32", but that was actually a misspelling. I wanted it to be "Dudester32" (as in Dude, not Dud"). What I really would like is my name to be D"udester32"..I might have played with my preferences before, but I've forgotten all about it :P. Dudester32 16:04, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Under My Preferences>Signature, there's a box for "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" yours might be checked. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Oh right! Thanks mate! Dudester32 15:02, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
- Under My Preferences>Signature, there's a box for "Treat signature as wikitext (without an automatic link)" yours might be checked. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- I'm not sure whats up. My original nick-name is "Dudster32", but that was actually a misspelling. I wanted it to be "Dudester32" (as in Dude, not Dud"). What I really would like is my name to be D"udester32"..I might have played with my preferences before, but I've forgotten all about it :P. Dudester32 16:04, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
Tanks
I've added photos of the tanks. I'm not a tank-expert, but I'm fairly sure one of the two tanks featured is a 1933 T-26. Is the other one a later T-26? Dudester32 15:52, 26 March 2013 (EDT)
- You're correct, they're both T-26's, one is the older T-26B model and the other is the later T-26C model, best identified by its new turret that has sloped armor. The movie also features one of the flamethrower variants of the T-26, (if I recognized it correctly) the OT-130. A couple of armored cars are also briefly seen towards the end of the movie, but I don't think they warrant a note. Elbastardo1891 (talk) 04:28, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
- I forgot about the flamethrower-tank. I got a good screencap of it and will upload it later. I think the armoured car is a BA-27. And yer right: Its not worth making an entry on them. Dudester32 (talk) 04:48, 27 March 2013 (EDT)