Talk:KBP Instrument Design Bureau

About KBP and TsKIB SOO

The article is a little incorrect. KBP is a design bureau, not a manufacturer company. It was working mostly on AA guns and guided weapon. It never designed small arms until TsKIB SOO was included into it in early 2000s.

TsKIB SOO designed such weapons as APS pistol, NSV heavy MG, A-12,7 helicopter mounted MG, AM-23 aircraft gun and a lot of experimental weapons that were not adopted by the Sovier/Russian army. The weapon designed by TsKIB SOO is produced on such factories as TOZ (Tulsku Orujeny Zavod), Izhmash and other state military factories of USSR/Russia. Greg-Z 23:58, 22 January 2012 (CST)

When you visit the KBP vebsite, in the middle you will see the sentence: "Developer and Manufacturer of High-Precision Weapons"

On the TsKIB SOO website they also mention something similar: "The subsidiary of the State Unitary Enterprise “KBP Instrument Design Bureau”, the "Sporting and Hunting Guns Central Research and Design Bureau" is a multipurpose design bureau which develops and produces products on the following trends:..."

I understand that most Russian weapons have 2 or even more manufacturers, for example the AKS-74U will be added to both Izhmash and Tula Arms pages. But since TsKIB SOO is a subsidiary and almost every weapon is same as the KBP's, it should not have an own page. Plus the category is called Manufacturer not Designer, so TsKIB weapons made by Tula will appear on the Tula Arms page. That is what I think. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 01:54, 23 January 2012 (CST)

Well, I think you are mostly right. Maybe it will be good to mention that TsKIB was a separate organisation until early 2000s and that most of firearmes were designed by TsKIB before it became a part of KBP? Greg-Z 02:46, 23 January 2012 (CST)

Okay, I changed the text. Also, could you tell me what does KBP stand for in English? I cannot find it anywhere. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:17, 23 January 2012 (CST)

KBP - "Konstruktorskoye Byuro Priborostroyeniya" (literaly Design Bureau of Instrument Production). Greg-Z 04:43, 23 January 2012 (CST)

So "KBP" means the same as "Instrument Design Bureau" ... I guess the Russian title is just KBP and they added the "Instrument Design Bureau" part when they translated it to English, right?- bozitojugg3rn4ut 05:42, 23 January 2012 (CST)

Yes, you are right. Greg-Z 06:02, 23 January 2012 (CST)