Category talk:Carbine

This firearm category is too inclusive and should be removed.

I brought this up on the forum earlier, but I'll put it here as well. The term "carbine" is just too broad, because it refers solely to a firearm's barrel length (depending on if it's longer or shorter than usual), not the cartridge type it uses, nor the firing modes it has, etc. As such, there can be pistol-caliber carbines (a designation appropriate only when a handgun-cartridge-firing weapon has a barrel length too long for a handgun, and is incapable of fully automatic fire or is not select-fire, such as the CX4 Storm), assault rifle carbines, battle rifle carbines, etc. It would be much easier to say "X is a carbine-length variant of Y firearm" instead on the appropriate page entries.

There are next to no "dedicated carbines" that are either unavailable in a longer barrel length, or are unavailable in a select-fire/fully automatic firing configuration. The M1 Carbine has the select-fire M2 Carbine variant, which makes it a submachine gun or an assault rifle carbine (depending on how you classify the .30 Carbine cartridge). The CX4 Storm recently had a select-fire variant made available by Beretta, called the MX4 Storm, making it a submachine gun. That about leaves the De Lisle carbine as the sole "dedicated" carbine on this website, to my knowledge, which would be too small to warrant a new category.

I noticed the Personal Defense Weapon category was removed recently. I hope the Carbine category is next. --Mazryonh 00:03, 14 January 2012 (CST)

.22 LR, .30 Carbine

Carrying on from the subject that was brought up on another talk page, I've been wondering... What should be done regarding the weapons chambered in calibers such as .22 LR and .30 carbine? They're currently listed listed among the rifle/intermediate caliber ones in the gallery, should we give them their own section or something? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 19:10, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

I'd argue that .30 Carbine is an intermediate cartridge, and should stay; as for .22 LR, it's more a pistol cartridge, though I see this as a bit of a non-issue since there are no .22 LR-only guns in the intermediate section (the only one I could find was the Colt Lightning, and that can be chambered in full-power rifle rounds up to .50-95). Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2020 (EDT)