About to wrap Season 8's page for The X-Files, but I need a bit of help IDing this particular pump shotgun. It smacks of something familiar but doesn't seem to match anything I've looked at. These are the two best shots I could get, so bear with me -
Again, looks familiar, but I can't put a definitive finger on it. Any thoughts? StanTheMan (talk) 18:57, 12 January 2015 (EST)
Not really much to go on, but my gut feeling would probably just be a Mossberg 500. To back that up, there was a similar looking wood furnitured Mossberg 500AT in Season 7. --commando552 (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2015 (EST)
That's what I had thought initially but something seemed/seems off, the pump grips especially seem rather short and/or the mag tubes and barrels seem a bit long. Slightly odd proportions to me - More like these are riot shotguns with extended mag tubes but with slightly longer barrels (ones that go past the mag tube extension - sorta like the 870 in Pulp Fiction). But then again these are shots done in movement and at not the best angles - Basically just aren't great pictures. Looking at the episode again, though, another Mossberg seems the most solid guess at this point though. Thanks much. StanTheMan (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2015 (EST)
Shotgun ID Redux
Got another one I'm a bit iffy about, this one from the ninth season -
That's a J.C. Higgins Model 20 shotgun.... MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 02:34, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
Ah! Very good. I believe that one has popped up in a few more things so that ID is a big help, MPM, thanks. Good to see ya pop back in, too. StanTheMan (talk) 13:14, 4 August 2015 (EDT)
It appears to be a stainless steel compact pistol that resembles Smith & Wesson models but doesn't exactly match any of them. As the pistol is seen in Russian 2011 movie, it can be some blank firing replica (like Umarex) rather than an original S&W pistol. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 08:18, 8 February 2015 (EST)
It doesn't seem to have the 'LadySmith' markings, if so, not a 3913LS. It could be the 'Non-Logo' version, the 3913 NL, though. That's doubtful too, however - The forend and slide seem too short, the eject port doesn't seem to be low enough and while it's tough to tell, the slide serrations seem straight and not slanted like those on the S&W autos. The gun also doesn't appear to have the round 'plug' at the right rear of the slide (where the safety would be on a standard 3913). The grip doesn't seem to match up either. Strangely enough, it does seem to have the two-tone alloy frame and stainless slide like you would see on 3913s (and other Smith autos). I think Greg might have had it right initially - That this is not a genuine S&W auto but rather a replica of one. StanTheMan (talk) 17:06, 8 February 2015 (EST)
I guess EKOL Tuna is a better guess as the screen pistol has a rounded trigger guard, like Tuna and unlike Zoraki. Many thanks for help! Greg-Z (talk) 02:21, 9 February 2015 (EST)
Vidgame DLCs
When a weapon is added to a videogame via a dlc release when listing those appearances on the weapon page, should the year be the original year the videogame was published, or the year the dlc was released? S3anyBoy (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
Year the DLC was released. Best would be to also note it's added in the (whatever) pack. Evil Tim (talk) 10:57, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
The link itself is to the page for the game. I would think whenever the game is released, with as you said, a notation for the DLC pack. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:00, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
Alright thanks. Also, if anyone is interested I made an IMFDB steam group for users to arrange to play together, discuss games, etc. http://steamcommunity.com/groups/IMFDB Feel free to join and I'll make any IMFDB admins officers or mods if they want. S3anyBoy (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT)
Need to ask if I can do a sandbox-type page so that I can build it up slowly before I put it up as a page here on the site. Ominae (talk) 05:33, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
Of course you can. Just create a new page User:Ominae/Sandbox. Greg-Z (talk) 05:58, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
Thanks. Do I PM someone to have it deleted when it's done? Ominae (talk) 07:47, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
You can put the [[Nuke]] tag on the page, and it would be deleted. Or you can keep it empty, maybe one day you'll need it again. I keep my Sandbox page and use it from time to time. Greg-Z (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2015 (EDT)
Roughly resembles an M1911A1 to me. Scope is reminiscent of the Laser Products scope on the AMT Hardballer Longslide in The Terminator. StanTheMan (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
It appears to be a hammerless pistol, so if the artist meant a 1911, he was terribly wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
Help on uploading/embedding screenshots to a page
I've already tried doing what the screencap guide said, but when I press Show Preview, the image won't show up.
--Aidoru (talk) 03:07, 20 June 2015 (EDT)aidoru
Paste the screenshot markup you're trying to use here with no brackets. Evil Tim (talk) 03:20, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
Have you actually uploaded the image onto the database or are you just using the location on your computer or a different web host? To use an image you actually need to upload it to IMFDB using the Special:Upload page. --commando552 (talk) 07:33, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
Thanks for the help, I'll try that. --Aidoru (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2015 (EDT)aidoru
From the lines of the frame to me it looks more like a Jericho 941, but hard to tell for sure. --commando552 (talk) 17:42, 24 June 2015 (EDT)
Really kinda generic looking but I too would lean to a Jericho given the frame and the trigger guard shape. StanTheMan (talk) 15:42, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
ID firearms in the anime
T'm sorry, I have some request: can someone ID unknown firearms in the anime Burn-Up Scramble is a Close Up and realistic, but I don't know this weapons. May it doesn't present at IMFDB, but realy exist? Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:05, 29 June 2015 (EDT)
Revolver ID
I encountered this revolver in the pilot of the 1988 Mission: Impossible series.
It looks like a Rossi Model 851, but according to the gun page, they weren't in production until 1991, and these episodes were from the late eighties. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
BTW, the 1988 series was shot in Australia, so it had to be something available there. And an apology on the quality of the images. I don't know how a series from 1966 looks so much better than a series from 1988. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
Maybe a Rossi Model 951? Despite later number, it appeared earlier, about 1985. The only problem is that there isn't any image of Model 951 in stainless version. Looks like it was only blued, and in such case my guess is wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 03:38, 15 July 2015 (EDT)
I'm seeing some evidence that the Rossi 851 was around before 1991. A mention here on a Taurus board, another here. A user here says he bought his wife a 851 in 1985. That last one is supposedly a magazine article from 1985. Then again, this source here says 1991.
But this sort of clinches it, right? --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2015 (EDT)
Yep, that TOTALLY clinches it. Nice to know we got a good proof of that :) Cool! MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 16:39, 1 September 2015 (EDT)
It is an MTAR-21 Micro Tavor. Can't see the magazine to work out if it is chambered in 9x19mm actually making it an SMG, or whether it is in 5.56x45mm making it an assault rifle. --commando552 (talk) 06:46, 15 July 2015 (EDT)
Need some help with a rifle ID. Shot and set in Australia, late 80's. My guess is a Parker Hale M85, but it's just a guess. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2015 (EDT)
Saw this screencap when I was revamping the No Tears for the Dead article. I'm just wondering where it happened since I'm trying to find the scene via Blu-Ray. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 10:23, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
Can somebody help me to ID the firearms in this movie. A few of it are close up, but may be not present at IMFDB. Thanks. Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:28, 12 August 2015 (EDT)
TMNT 2012 article no go?
Asking this 'cause I found a few stuff including a Thompson M1928 and a flashbang? If it's not okay, then I won't bother. Ominae (talk) 02:17, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
I suppose it depends. Can you post them here? --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:50, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
Sure. I can post the links to the images if that's fine. Ominae (talk) 07:58, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
I don't know about adding the multiple table columns to actor pages (such as in Adrian Brody) because it makes it a little harder to read across when checking them out. It seems to also to be a little bit more work than just copying and pasting the code and changing the weapon name. What do you all think? --Ben41 (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
As for me, such kind of actor page looks awful. It may be good on weapon pages but not on actor pages. Greg-Z (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
I'm agree with Greg-Z, that's looks awful an agree with Ben41, that's be a much more work than just copying and pasting the code and changing the weapon name. Pyramid Silent (talk) 19:21, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
I'm generally indifferent either way, while I can perhaps see an argument of standardizing across the board like that I just don't see the need or import to it on actor pages, it really is a fair bit of extra work for at best infinitesimal practical gain - Weapon pages have/are more likely to have more sub-entries on one listing so grouping those sets together on a single continuous entry for one show/etc helps, but that mostly isn't the case for actor pages so there it just seems superfluous. StanTheMan (talk) 00:03, 23 August 2015 (EDT)
Tables are complicated enough for new users, no need to complicate it further with rowspans. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:50, 25 August 2015 (EDT)
This is in no particular page here, but I was wondering what this shotgun here might be? EVA Database aka C&C Wiki claims it is Benelli M3 Super 90, but I really have my doubts. I was thinking some Mossberg or Remington piece. --CnC Fin (talk) 02:21, 29 August 2015 (EDT)
Based on the magazine tube, pump, and trigger guard shape I would say that it is a custom Mossberg 500. I think the stock is a Choate of some sort. --commando552 (talk) 04:34, 29 August 2015 (EDT)
I agree with it being either a Mossberg 500 or possibly the economy Maverick 88. The stock appears identical to the one on the 500 shown in Jackie Brown. StanTheMan (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2015 (EDT)
Main Page Problems
Anyone else had problems of trying to get to the main page before logging in? I am using Chrome and when I type in "imfdb.org", all I get is a "cached" page warning. I have to access a different page in order to log in. --Ben41 (talk) 22:52, 31 August 2015 (EDT)
I'm experiencing the same problem as well, Ben. I'm not quite sure what's responsible for the "cached page" problem though, but it's affecting every browser I tried, even the ones on my phone. It must be some sort of website or server problem. I'll try again within a few hours or so and see if the same problem continues to persist. All other pages are presented normally, except the Main Page. - Kenny99 (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2015 (EDT)
Noted that in the Quantico episode "Kill", I spotted M4A1s with blue mags and barrels to indicate their simunition status. Same with the Remington 700s with a blue bolt. Can't find suitable gun images. Ominae (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
Newsletter notice
I may have missed something, but for a few days now I keep getting below message when I visit (but not yet log-in to) the IMFDB website.
I am a bit hesitant to enter my e-mail address, but could somebody tell me (a) if this is genuinely IMFDB-related and (b) what is the purpose of this newsletter, maybe for non-subscribers? Thanks for letting me know - PeeWee055 (talk) 14:34, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
I see it too when I log out. I am not aware of any such newsletter. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
I think it's just some kind of ad, and not related to the site itself. I base that on the fact that it only showed up for me when I disabled AdBlock, and even then I didn't get it every time. I believe I've seen similar stuff on other sites. StanTheMan (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2015 (EDT)
I actually am putting together a newsletter, just a short weekly summary of the major edits and new articles. I'll make it clearer and add another way to join on the Main Page. --bunni (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Oh, well, seems I was wrong. That's a good thing in this instance though. ;) StanTheMan (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2015 (EDT)
Article on Tokyo Marui-made guns
Should there be an article on Tokyo Marui-made guns that aren't based on a specific weapon. Ominae (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
No, we had a page for some of the fake guns in the Battlestar Galactica miniseries, but that was deleted. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:34, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
Okay. Thanks. Didn't know about that. Ominae (talk) 22:37, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
If there was a truly unique gun then I imagine it could go on the Air Guns page. However, do they do that? The only non-real TM guns I have ever seen are just basically custom 1911 variants. Or are there others? --commando552 (talk) 13:38, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
Pistol inquiry
I saw this pistol on a movie poster for an upcoming Dutch comedy that won’t be publicly available until early next year. Will for sure put it on IMFDB in due course, but in the meantime the pistol keeps bugging me. Sorry for the low quality but I had to use my cellphone in a dark cinema lobby.
My first thought was some kind of recent CZ 75 variant, like CZ 75 P-09. Close but not quite. Any suggestions will be much appreciated! - PeeWee055 (talk) 06:14, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
"That's a bingo!" - PeeWee055 (talk) 09:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
New weapon description standard?
So I noticed on the Mad Max: Fury Road page that the weapon picture descriptions are [weapon name (caliber)] instead of the usual [weapon name - caliber] configuration, I changed it to the usual standard and someone (I assume Ben41) reverted my changes. Is this a new site standard or is someone being weird? Mr. Wolf (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2015 (EST)
As far as I know, nothing has changed. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:08, 2 November 2015 (EST)
I generally do the dash for caliber rather than parentheses except in certain cases (mainly on combo weapons with multiple calibers and the like), but I think that, while a norm, it's not something written in stone or anything. Some folks decide to have little atypical quirks in pages they create/author - I know I have. Usually it's not a big deal. In this case it may be a bit more noticeable but I don't have a big problem with it personally. My two cents. StanTheMan (talk) 00:25, 3 November 2015 (EST)
It only bugs me cause what I mostly do a lot of the time is going around keeping pages on the site consistent with each other. Mr. Wolf (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2015 (EST)
Which is kinda funny cause the reason I got ticked off and went on a long hiatus from the site was cause I got nagged at for being inconsistent. Mr. Wolf (talk) 02:45, 3 November 2015 (EST)
Strange Hi-Power
A strange version of Browning Hi-Power appears in Season 3 of Father Brown. Note the slide serration that differs from any model of Hi-Power:
Though it could be a blank firing replica. I would like to solve this little riddle. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 12:13, 3 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe a Bulgarian Arcus 94 or 98? --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:31, 3 November 2015 (EST)
Thanks, an interesting guess. But as far as I can see, both Bulgarian models have angular trigger guard while the screen pistol has a round one, like genuine HPs. While goodling Arcus, I came across this BHP, called 1975 Belgian manufactured. It has seven large grooves on the slide, just like the screen gun, but the front part of the slide has a sloped forend, not verical. Greg-Z (talk) 13:01, 3 November 2015 (EST)
That isn't a real gun, it is an Arcus slide on a Browning frame. Here is the forum post where it originates. I believe there are Arcus frames that have a rounded trigger guard but they look more like a rounded off version of the hooked one, rather than the gun in question which appears to have a classic Browning frame. However, the fact that they are interchangeable does raise the possibility that this is an Arcus slide on a Browning frame, however I think all Arcus pistols have the diagonal step at the front of the slide. Also, the Arcus seems like an odd gun to turn up on a English show. --commando552 (talk) 16:31, 3 November 2015 (EST)
I seriously considered getting an Arcus 94 for a long time. Are they still in production? At the time, it seems like only Arcus 98s were available. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:44, 3 November 2015 (EST)
So the screen pistol is possibly a combination of the frame of genuine HP and the slide of some modern clone but not a Arcus, right? Greg-Z (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe the slide is taken from Kareen Mk II, Izrael manufactured clone of Hi-Power? It has a vertical front of the slide, without a step. Greg-Z (talk) 14:36, 8 November 2015 (EST)
Just an FYI, there are gas-operated airsoft pistols with working slides, running off "green gas" (propane) or CO2 cartridges. I have no idea if GBB Hi-Powers exist, and this isn't one, but wanted to point that out.--Mandolin (talk) 14:51, 4 November 2015 (EST)
Thanks for this idea. I tried to look for such version but found nothing. Greg-Z (talk) 14:36, 8 November 2015 (EST)
Bullpups: Are they crap?
So a few months back i read this comment on youtube, now, as we all probably know, the people in those comment sections aren't exactly well informed (just today someone argued that clips are actually inside the magazine, like STANAG mags) but nontheless this comment made me curious.
According to this guy, bullpups are really kinda useless, and countries that used bullpups in their military (UK, China, Israel) are actually phasing them out for more conventional weapons. So what i wonder, is this true or just someone speaking a bunch of bollocks? Are bullpups, atleast in the military in those countries, seen as being not very good?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2015 (EST)
They have their pro's and con's, but I do know some countries, like New Zealand, are going from bullpups to an AR-type. On the other hand, however, Israel is adopting bullpups. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:06, 13 November 2015 (EST)
I thought Israel still prefer their Tavor MTAR's? And China just upgraded to QBZ-95-1's. Mr. Wolf (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2015 (EST)
Short answer: no. If you take the time to train with one and if you're left-handed and switch it for left side ejecting (though you're out of luck with the L85), they're just as good as any traditionally layout weapon. The reason most people are not into bullpups is usually because they prefer or are more use to traditionally layout weapons. I'm not saying bullpups are vastly better (though they have good perks) but they are not by all means worse. Especially newer designs like the Kel-Tec RDB that fixed ejecting into your face problems with bullpups altogether (better than the F2000) by simply ejecting casings straight down a port behind the magazine. Mr. Wolf (talk) 09:13, 13 November 2015 (EST)
According to whoever wrote that comment the chinese are replacing the QBZ, but i haven't heard anything about any such thing happening.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:22, 13 November 2015 (EST)
YouTube and Netflix
I was reading the rules and regulations about screencaps and didn't see anything about Netflix and YouTube as a source. Is taking screenshots from movie scenes originating from either of these sources not allowed or frowned upon at all? --Caldwellb734 (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2015 (EST)
There are instructions in the IMFDB Screencapping Guide regarding streaming media. It's a bit more work, so nowadays, I tend to avoid it. Netflix is preferable to Youtube, since Youtube quality (and legality) is sometimes suspect. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2015 (EST)
Need help to identify a sniper rifle
This sniper rifle is seen in 2002 French mini series Fabio Montale. All my studies about it were futile, so I ask for help. Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2015 (EST)
Yesterday I uploaded a page for American Heist. There’s one sniper rifle that’s perfectly visible but that I cannot identify, see 2 images below. It has a distinctive bold handle plus an external magazine, anybody’s got a clue? - PeeWee055 (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2015 (EST)
Kinda reminds me of an M40A5, kinda--AnActualAK47 (talk) 08:58, 23 November 2015 (EST)
Thanks, seems like a pretty good guess. Will go with the M40A5 until somebody proves us wrong, PeeWee055 (talk) 16:14, 23 November 2015 (EST)
Since everyone else is doing it...
Can anyone ID this rifle from Longmire? I think I see some sort of safety switch on the left side of the bolt, but it's a bit too dark to see any more. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:43, 23 November 2015 (EST)
I can tell you that it reminds me of something. Hope it helps!--AnActualAK47 (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2015 (EST)
Could it be this?--Quarax (talk) 10:38, 24 November 2015 (EST)
The Mossberg 100 ATR is another possibility. Does the barrel have any markings like this on it?--Quarax (talk) 10:48, 24 November 2015 (EST)
Maybe the Mossberg. Can you guys make out what appears to be a switch on the left side of the bolt? --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:12, 24 November 2015 (EST)
The Mossberg's serial number is in the same spot as the Longmire rifle, but it doesn't have that switch you mentioned. I also found some pictures of a Mossberg with the same sight.--Quarax (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2015 (EST)
Blindspot Talk Page duplication
Informing the admins that I duplicated the "Blindspot" talk page to the first season page a few weeks ago since the info there is relevant to said season. I just need to ask on a heads up on clearing the talk page on the "Blindspot" disambiguation page since it's a duplicate now. Ominae (talk) 20:07, 24 November 2015 (EST)
Colt-style cylinder release, ramp front sight, shrouded ejector rod... I guess that the artist had in mind a Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen. though he wasn't very successful in drawing. Greg-Z (talk) 05:22, 2 December 2015 (EST)
Snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 66. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:23, 2 December 2015 (EST)
Agree
The drawing leaves a bit to be desired but I do agree the features do match closer to Smith - The cylinder latch, in particular matches recent and current S&Ws. As do the sights (well, mostly). Anyway, given the rather largely sized frame and cylinder (compared to the trigger) I think the artist might have been trying to go for a snubbie Model 500 or Model 460. StanTheMan (talk) 14:00, 2 December 2015 (EST)
My guess for the rifle would be L85 without magazine and trigger group moved backwards with FG 42 stock, if that makes sense, PeeWee055 (talk) 11:52, 6 December 2015 (EST)
Many thanks for the help! :) Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2015 (EST)
I think you misunderstood me. I did not say it was either a L85 (like you say on the page) or FG 42, it's more like some kind of 'fantasy' rifle that has elements of both rifles, PeeWee055 (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2015 (EST)
At first, I think, that's Smith & Wesson Model 10, but it's seems, that I was wrong. May somebody help me. It's from Noragami. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:30, 6 December 2015 (EST)
First off, I love Noragami. Second, although I'm suck at identifying revolvers because they all look the same, I think it's a Smith & Wesson Model 57.
Assuming the same muzzle velocity as a 12-gauge 1-ounce slug (~1,800 fps) about 2.2 million foot-pounds or 3 megajoules. With such minor issues as shattering your wrist if not tearing off your entire arm because that's about one-third what you'd get from the gun on an Abrams, and that there's no way the slug could weigh 20kg at that size (modelling it as a sphere of 18.5mm diameter (.729 inch) for a 12 gauge, the density would be 6 million kg per cubic meter, which is getting on for the density of a supermassive black hole). Even a 4-inch AA-gauge punt gun firing the lead ball used for gauging the barrel would only be throwing out a 6kg slug. Evil Tim (talk) 04:00, 20 December 2015 (EST)
This is the shotgun he fires that thing with. The gun is about twice as large as anyone else in that universe.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 08:51, 20 December 2015 (EST)
Who's knows actually. Animation like this cares more on style/art than real life scale. We'll never know how tall these characters really are compared to real life humans. On a side note, that's either a pistol grip Remington 870 or Mossberg 500.
Pretty sure it is based on a Mossberg 500, you can see the safety on the top of the receiver. What is this from anyway? --commando552 (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2015 (EST)
This is from Madness Combat by Krinkels. Pyramid Silent (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2015 (EST)
...who still hasn't made episode 11.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:40, 20 December 2015 (EST)
Well, imagining it's double the size (so a little shy of 1 gauge) you're essentially talking about trying to launch half a dozen bricks out of an M203, so the most likely answer would be the gun would explode because splitting the chamber or forcing the action out of battery was easier than moving the projectile. I'll run off some numbers when I get home to see if I can figure out how big it would have to be to actually get that down the barrel, but I can already tell you it'd have to be the size of a howitzer. Evil Tim (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2015 (EST)
With a quick back of a cinema ticket calculation I come out with a caliber of about 150mm for a 20kg lead sphere. --commando552 (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2015 (EST)
