Talk:Die Hard 2

Thanks for the ID on the Remington 870, I figured has to be either that or a Mossberg, but didn't guess it in fear of getting it wrong. Anyway, I decided to do more screencaps to get the rest of the weapons onto the page, and also for the M16A1. I figured since everyone knows there are M16A1s with A2 Handguards in the movie, I might as well get a screencap of it.--Alienqueen11 21:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I think we could use some better MP5 pictures. There are lots of good close-ups of the guns that would be great to have, especially since this movie features them so prominently. -MT2008

I included more shots of the MP5s, how does it loook now?--Alienqueen11 21:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The "Glock invisible"-nonsense

Here's what Hugh Laurie (yes, the "House M. D."-guy) had to say about that in his novel "The gun seller": "You may have read, at one time or another, some of the nonsense that’s been written about the Glock. The fact that its body is made from a fancy polymer material got one or two journalists very excited a while back about the possibility that the gun might not register on airport X-ray machines - which happens to be so much hooey. The slide, barrel, and a fair portion of its innards are metal, and if that weren’t enough, seventeen rounds of Parabellum ammunition are pretty hard to pass off as lipstick refills. What it does have is a high magazine capacity for a low weight, great accuracy, and virtually unequalled reliability. All of which have made the Glock 17 the choice of housewives everywhere." Dr. House, I couldn't agree more. --Lastgunslinger 22:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it a non-fiction book where Laurie talks about guns?--Oliveira 22:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it´s a fictional novel. The hero is a merc, who got caught up in a gun-trade-conspiracy. And to the user, who thinks, it's unlikely that Laurie is a gun expert: He doesn't need to be. Really good authors tend to do something called "research". This "research"-thing is a pretty rare phenomenon amongst writers. --Lastgunslinger 13:31, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

We can do without the stupid sarcastic comments, dude. Don't be a jerk. -Gunman69 16:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

This wasn't sarcasm, it was irony. As in "Can we also do without the personal insults?" ("stupid", "jerk"?) --Lastgunslinger 06:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Nevertheless, we don't need you to imply that we're a bunch of idiots who don't know the meaning of the word "research". At IMFDB, we expect our users to act professional, so if you can't do that, you should leave. -Gunman69 16:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, I for one didn't think he was insulting IMFDB with the research comment, I figured it was a knock on the film, and the film's writers and producers. Screen writers often don't do any research at all.

It seems unlikely that Laurie is a gun expert. On an appearance with Letterman he noted while here in the USA he and his son shot guns for the first time at a local gunrange.

However, his information is dead on. Further, I must comment that x-ray machines are most commonly used to take pictures of bones, which aren't metal. The amount of metal is really immaterial for X-ray detection. The polymer used in the frame is relatively dense compared to clothing and shows up nicely...just like bone.

As for the infamous falsehoods about guns like the Glock that was 'parroted' by the Mainstream Media without fact checking back for the last 25 years, you can all blame guys like Josh Sugermann (of Handgun Control Inc.) who famously stated that the public's lack of knowledge about firearms will allow gun control advocates to pass more gun bans purely on hysteria and not on the facts. BTW: Josh Sugarmann, even though he is a fanatical anti gun activist, has a life membership to the NRA, so that he can openly visit the NRA conventions and "Report their dastardly machinations" to others. It's a bit of a fanatic to 'want' to spend so much time with their ideological opponents all in the the misguided attempt to 'destroy them'. Also it was Democratic Senator from Ohio, Howard Metzembaum, who was famous for much of the 'anti gun' hyperbole of the 1980s. He's the one who 'coined' the phrase "Cop Killer Bullet" so I guess he will be known for 'something'. MoviePropMaster2008 00:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I found some quotes from the son-of-a-bitch. Here they are:

"Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988

"One tenet of the National Rifle Association's faith has always been that handgun controls do little to stop criminals from obtaining handguns. For once, the NRA is right and America's leading handgun control organization is wrong. Criminals don't buy guns in gun stores. That's why they're criminals. But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are."

-Josh Sugarmann, "The NRA is Right: But We Still Need to Ban Handguns," The Washington Monthly, June 1987.

This guy should be sued back to the stone age for using this kind of bullshit manipulation to infringe on constitutional rights. Most non-crime related handgun deaths are either suicides (in which the only casualty chose to be so) or accidents (which still have a far lower fatal accident to ownership rate the motor vehicles or numerous other objects.) -Anonymous

Hopping off politics, I didn't know Hugh Laurie was in this movie BeardedHoplite 19:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

- Uh, I don't think he was. The original post was just a remark from Hugh Laurie's book in regards to the Glock. As for that whole crap with Sugarmann and all that, Bah. Just bah. I think I can put it rather succinctly when I state the comment, No gun pulls its own trigger. StanTheMan 22:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, then why the hell is this here, did the book inspire Die Hard 2? Take this rage to the forums! BeardedHoplite 22:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Blank Rounds

So we all know that guns can't switch between live and blank rounds, like the MP5s in this movie. So would the Beretta used by the Major be incorrectly able to switch between blanks and live? He is clearly seen firing the weapon in the attack on the church, but then he tries to shoot McClane with it on the 747 wing? Unless he was just trying to scare McClane or hold him up or something, or he really did fire live rounds at the church and hoped he didn't hit anyone.

I was wondering... You can't switch from blanks to live ammo, this much I know. But is it possible to go in reverse and switch from live rounds to blank rounds? GamerfreakB7 --Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorta. But it doesn't cycle the gun.-protoAuthor 04:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

OK Thnx, just needed some clarification there. GamerfreakB7 --Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Additional Images Please?

Could anyone add more images closer to the beginning of the movie with the Beretta 92FS? I remember there being a good shot of the Beretta landing on a Conveyor Belt. It was also pickup by a terrorist, although it may have been a continuity error.

Title

I thought that the title was just plain Die Hard 2, and that "Die Harder" was just a tagline. IMDb seems to back me up on this. I'll move it unless someone objects. --funkychinaman 15:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

- I object! But that's only because I object to almost everything. :b Anyway, I think you're right - It is just 'Die Hard 2'. Matter of fact, I thought the page itself was called just 'Die Hard 2' before.. Well anyway, yeah, change it. StanTheMan 16:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait... okay, I just had to make sure Die Hard with a Vengeance wasn't list as "Die Hard with a Vengeance: Die yet even Harder." --funkychinaman 16:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

"Die Hard 2" was the theatrical title, "Die Hard 2: Die Harder" is the title it was released under in all subsequent releases on video, so I'm putting it as this title. --Ben41 21:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

This directly contradicts "The American Release Title takes precedence" and "When in doubt, go to IMDB and copy-and-paste the title as it appears there" from Rules, Standards and Principles. You yourself have admitted that this is the video release title. --funkychinaman 23:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

- IMDB - "Die Hard 2: Die Harder" - Philippines (English title), UK (promotional title), USA (video box title)

Funky is right - 'Die Harder' wasn't used in the U.S. theatrical release - it's only listed as 'Die Hard 2'. The page should be listed as such. StanTheMan 18:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Ben, the American theatrical release title takes precedence over all others. If what these fine conscientious members are saying is true, then please change it back. Thanks. :) MoviePropMaster2008 19:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)