Talk:Die Hard 2

Discussion

Thanks for the ID on the Remington 870, I figured has to be either that or a Mossberg, but didn't guess it in fear of getting it wrong. Anyway, I decided to do more screencaps to get the rest of the weapons onto the page, and also for the M16A1. I figured since everyone knows there are M16A1s with A2 Handguards in the movie, I might as well get a screencap of it.--Alienqueen11 21:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I think we could use some better MP5 pictures. There are lots of good close-ups of the guns that would be great to have, especially since this movie features them so prominently. -MT2008

I included more shots of the MP5s, how does it loook now?--Alienqueen11 21:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The "Glock invisible"-nonsense

Here's what Hugh Laurie (yes, the "House M. D."-guy) had to say about that in his novel "The gun seller": "You may have read, at one time or another, some of the nonsense that’s been written about the Glock. The fact that its body is made from a fancy polymer material got one or two journalists very excited a while back about the possibility that the gun might not register on airport X-ray machines - which happens to be so much hooey. The slide, barrel, and a fair portion of its innards are metal, and if that weren’t enough, seventeen rounds of Parabellum ammunition are pretty hard to pass off as lipstick refills. What it does have is a high magazine capacity for a low weight, great accuracy, and virtually unequalled reliability. All of which have made the Glock 17 the choice of housewives everywhere." Dr. House, I couldn't agree more. --Lastgunslinger 22:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Is it a non-fiction book where Laurie talks about guns?--Oliveira 22:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it´s a fictional novel. The hero is a merc, who got caught up in a gun-trade-conspiracy. And to the user, who thinks, it's unlikely that Laurie is a gun expert: He doesn't need to be. Really good authors tend to do something called "research". This "research"-thing is a pretty rare phenomenon amongst writers. --Lastgunslinger 13:31, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

We can do without the stupid sarcastic comments, dude. Don't be a jerk. -Gunman69 16:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

This wasn't sarcasm, it was irony. As in "Can we also do without the personal insults?" ("stupid", "jerk"?) --Lastgunslinger 06:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Nevertheless, we don't need you to imply that we're a bunch of idiots who don't know the meaning of the word "research". At IMFDB, we expect our users to act professional, so if you can't do that, you should leave. -Gunman69 16:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, I for one didn't think he was insulting IMFDB with the research comment, I figured it was a knock on the film, and the film's writers and producers. Screen writers often don't do any research at all.

It seems unlikely that Laurie is a gun expert. On an appearance with Letterman he noted while here in the USA he and his son shot guns for the first time at a local gunrange.

However, his information is dead on. Further, I must comment that x-ray machines are most commonly used to take pictures of bones, which aren't metal. The amount of metal is really immaterial for X-ray detection. The polymer used in the frame is relatively dense compared to clothing and shows up nicely...just like bone.

As for the infamous falsehoods about guns like the Glock that was 'parroted' by the Mainstream Media without fact checking back for the last 25 years, you can all blame guys like Josh Sugermann (of Handgun Control Inc.) who famously stated that the public's lack of knowledge about firearms will allow gun control advocates to pass more gun bans purely on hysteria and not on the facts. BTW: Josh Sugarmann, even though he is a fanatical anti gun activist, has a life membership to the NRA, so that he can openly visit the NRA conventions and "Report their dastardly machinations" to others. It's a bit of a fanatic to 'want' to spend so much time with their ideological opponents all in the the misguided attempt to 'destroy them'. Also it was Democratic Senator from Ohio, Howard Metzembaum, who was famous for much of the 'anti gun' hyperbole of the 1980s. He's the one who 'coined' the phrase "Cop Killer Bullet" so I guess he will be known for 'something'. MoviePropMaster2008 00:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I found some quotes from the son-of-a-bitch. Here they are:

"Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988

"One tenet of the National Rifle Association's faith has always been that handgun controls do little to stop criminals from obtaining handguns. For once, the NRA is right and America's leading handgun control organization is wrong. Criminals don't buy guns in gun stores. That's why they're criminals. But it isn't criminals who are killing most of the 20,000 to 22,000 people who die from handguns each year. We are."

-Josh Sugarmann, "The NRA is Right: But We Still Need to Ban Handguns," The Washington Monthly, June 1987.

This guy should be sued back to the stone age for using this kind of bullshit manipulation to infringe on constitutional rights. Most non-crime related handgun deaths are either suicides (in which the only casualty chose to be so) or accidents (which still have a far lower fatal accident to ownership rate the motor vehicles or numerous other objects.) -Anonymous

Hopping off politics, I didn't know Hugh Laurie was in this movie BeardedHoplite 19:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

- Uh, I don't think he was. The original post was just a remark from Hugh Laurie's book in regards to the Glock. As for that whole crap with Sugarmann and all that, Bah. Just bah. I think I can put it rather succinctly when I state the comment, No gun pulls its own trigger. StanTheMan 22:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, then why the hell is this here, did the book inspire Die Hard 2? Take this rage to the forums! BeardedHoplite 22:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I was just reminded that the "invisible" handgun was still referred to as a Glock, albeit with the wrong model number. You'd think they'd just make up a name (Glook?), like video games do. Wouldn't Glock have a case if they wanted to sue the producers, the studio, or anyone involved for defaming their product? There isn't a single person of repute who would swear in court that a Glock is invisible to x-ray machines. This controversy had the potential of tarnishing the company's name and hurting sales. --Funkychinaman 15:47, 10 December 2011 (CST)

All this Glock stuff was to add to how bad Lorenzo is at his job. We even have a screenshot that shows that he carries his gun empty. The Glock stuff was also adding to how Mclane can recognize them as professionals. The "Glock 7" doesn't exist. It was just to make the movie cooler.--Yo dawg 111 09:46, 2 January 2012 (CST)

About Beretta 92FS wielded by Miller

The page states that it could be a countinuity error, when it is not. I've watched the flick recently, and noticed that during hand-to-hand fight Miller commandeered McClane's own Beretta, being unable to get a hold of his Glock which was kicked out from his hands earlier. After McClane continued the chase and managed to knock him down for a moment, he seemingly dropped John's Beretta in the luggage trolley. --SilverFox

I think you are correct. Before McClane sprays him in the face, you can (barely) see that Miller retrieves the Beretta from the conveyor belt and tries to shoot him with it. I am guessing that they filmed a shot of Miller grabbing the Beretta, but it was removed during editing. -MT2008 (talk) 14:48, 24 December 2014 (EST)

Blank Rounds

So we all know that guns can't switch between live and blank rounds, like the MP5s in this movie. So would the Beretta used by the Major be incorrectly able to switch between blanks and live? He is clearly seen firing the weapon in the attack on the church, but then he tries to shoot McClane with it on the 747 wing? Unless he was just trying to scare McClane or hold him up or something, or he really did fire live rounds at the church and hoped he didn't hit anyone.

I was wondering... You can't switch from blanks to live ammo, this much I know. But is it possible to go in reverse and switch from live rounds to blank rounds? GamerfreakB7 --Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorta. But it doesn't cycle the gun.-protoAuthor 04:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

OK Thnx, just needed some clarification there. GamerfreakB7 --Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Additional Images Please?

Could anyone add more images closer to the beginning of the movie with the Beretta 92FS? I remember there being a good shot of the Beretta landing on a Conveyor Belt. It was also pickup by a terrorist, although it may have been a continuity error.

• There were two scenes where McClane's gun got knocked onto a belt.
  • The first is at the beginning during the luggage room shootout, when Miller shoots a suitcase, causing it to fall on McClane and knock his gun onto another belt.
  • At the end of the Annex Skywalk shootout, after taking Sheldon off his perch on the scaffolding, McClane is pinned by another part of the scaffolding, knocking his gun a few feet away. He sees Mulkey hop onto the sidewalk, and McClane starts it by pushing the start button with a fallen pipe. Mulkey starts to run for the gun, but McClane manages to grab it first and empties the magazine into Mulkey. During this scene, there is a continuity error as the location of McClane's gun in relation to McClane and to Mulkey changes from shot to shot.
• I think the latter scene was the one you were thinking about. DReifGalaxyM32 15:08, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Title

I thought that the title was just plain Die Hard 2, and that "Die Harder" was just a tagline. IMDb seems to back me up on this. I'll move it unless someone objects. --funkychinaman 15:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

- I object! But that's only because I object to almost everything. :b Anyway, I think you're right - It is just 'Die Hard 2'. Matter of fact, I thought the page itself was called just 'Die Hard 2' before.. Well anyway, yeah, change it. StanTheMan 16:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait... okay, I just had to make sure Die Hard with a Vengeance wasn't list as "Die Hard with a Vengeance: Die yet even Harder." --funkychinaman 16:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

"Die Hard 2" was the theatrical title, "Die Hard 2: Die Harder" is the title it was released under in all subsequent releases on video, so I'm putting it as this title. --Ben41 21:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

This directly contradicts "The American Release Title takes precedence" and "When in doubt, go to IMDB and copy-and-paste the title as it appears there" from Rules, Standards and Principles. You yourself have admitted that this is the video release title. --funkychinaman 23:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

- IMDB - "Die Hard 2: Die Harder" - Philippines (English title), UK (promotional title), USA (video box title)

Funky is right - 'Die Harder' wasn't used in the U.S. theatrical release - it's only listed as 'Die Hard 2'. The page should be listed as such. StanTheMan 18:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Ben, the American theatrical release title takes precedence over all others. If what these fine conscientious members are saying is true, then please change it back. Thanks. :) MoviePropMaster2008 19:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I've seen numerous trailers that call the film Die Hard 2: Die Harder. --cool-breeze 18:42, 2 April 2011 (CDT)

MP5A5

I watched this movie on Blu-Ray not too long ago, and I noticed something I've never noticed before: Colonel Stewart's MP5 is actually an MP5A5, not an MP5A3. You can see in a bunch of scenes that it has the 4-position Navy lower receiver (best view of it is in the church, when he picks up the gun right after telling General Esperanzo that they'll pick him up soon). The other MP5 in the movie (the one with the scope that is used by McClane) is an A3, though - it has the SEF lower receiver. -MT2008 12:27, 5 October 2011 (CDT)

Cool. :) - Mr. Wolf 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

Names of the terrorists

I post this list as a guide for any further updates to the captions:

• 1. Cochrane (John Costelloe) is killed by McClane during the shootout in the baggage handling area.
• 2. Shockley (Mark Boone Junior) is the only member of the Annex soldiers to be killed by a SWAT officer.
• 3. O'Reilly (Robert Patrick) kills SWAT officer #1 at the start of the Skywalk shootout. He is also the first Annex soldier to be killed by McClane, who pushes a ventilation grate on top of him. McClane then fires on the grate until his bullets drill straight through O'Reilly's body.
• 4. Sheldon (Mick Cunningham) is the henchman on the scaffolding who kills SWAT officers #2 and #5. McClane takes him out by knocking the scaffolding over, crushing him. There's a deleted scene on the DVD where he and O'Reilly kill two painters and steal their uniforms and van, explaining where they acquired their disguises for the SWAT team ambush.
• 5. Mulkey (Ken Baldwin) is the last of the soldiers on the Skywalk to be killed. He kills SWAT officers #3 and #4. McClane manages to empty a magazine into Mulkey as he is sprinting down the moving sidewalk for McClane's gun.
• 6. Thompson (Peter Nelson) is Stuart's systems tech in the church. McClane shoots him in the neck during the ambush on the tarmac at Esperanza's plane.
• 7. Baker (Tony Ganios) is the first henchman in the entire movie to have a speaking role. In his first scene, he and Thompson disguise themselves as utility workers to trick the custodian of the church into letting them in. He gives an appropriate response to the custodian's comment about a piece of himself dying along with the church by shooting the custodian three times with a suppressed Glock 17. He is later seen as the sentry outside the church. When Holly tries phoning McClane (unaware that McClane is sneaking up to the church), McClane's beeper gives his position away to Baker, who attacks him. After a struggle, Baker tries to stab McClane with an army knife, but McClane manages to shove him aside and then stab an icicle right through his eye.
• 8. Garber (Don Harvey), Stuart's second in command (and also an army major according to the script), is killed by McClane during the snowmobile getaway sequence.
• 9. Burke (John Leguizamo) is also shot off his snowmobile during the escape.
• 10. Miller (Vondie Curtis-Hall) and Kahn (Tom Verica) are killed when McClane blows up the escape plane.

DReifGalaxyM32 15:04, 6 March 2012 (CST)

I don't think it's Garber who is shot off the snowmobile. McClane shoots one terrorist as he makes a short jump and crashes into the ice, and then shoots another terrorist as he stopped to look back at his comrade. Later, You can hear Colonel Stuart yell "Garber, Take him!" and Garber turns back to have the duel with McClane. McClane obviously has blank rounds in his Gun and is unable to kill Garber. So, Garber must have been killed later in the Plane explosion.--Thomas (talk) 11:11, 27 December 2012 (EST)

I just watched the movie again. Stewart clearly yells, "Miller, take him!" during the snowmobile chase; you seem to have misheard. Also, in the church, just before the shootout with Major Grant's men, you hear Stewart call out, "Garber, sitrep!", and the guy who responds (the dude with lookout duty on the top level of the church) is the only one of the terrorists who carries the scoped H&K MP5A3, the weapon that is later captured and used by McClane. So, all of this information leads to the conclusion that Garber was in the fact the guy shot by McClane before the snowmobile chase, and the guy whose weapon ended up in McClane's hands. -MT2008 (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2012 (EST)

Mclanes Badge

Did anybody that in this Die Hard movie Mclane is a New York cop but on his police ID he carries an LA badge? did he temporarily transfer or somthing?? Why would an NYPD cop carry an LAPD badge??

He transferred to the LAPD, it's explictly mentioned in the film. --cool-breeze (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2013 (EST)

Beretta 92F or FS

I thought the cut-off for the 92FS was sometime in the early nineties. Wouldn't it be more likely that these are all Beretta 92Fs? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2014 (EST)

I think the 92FS was released in the late 80s actually. The 92FS Inox was available in 1990 (No earlier pistols were available as Inoxes), so the 92FS had to be around already. A 92FS was the weapon used in all the Lethal Weapon films from Lethal Weapon 2 on, and it was released the year before Die Hard 2.

EDIT - There is also an image of Willis' screen-used 92FS on the page taken by MPM, so unless he's lying, I'd have to say the 92FS was definitely already around. I realize you're talking about the secondary guns and if they're all 92FS's as well, but seeing as how the film shelled out for real MP5s (including Stuart's A5) and MP5Ks, I don't think it's a reach to say the other Berettas could be newer 92FS's as well. StanTheMan (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2014 (EST)

He uploaded the 92F from DH1, but the file name says 92FS, while the one on the page is labeled DH1. The 92F is labeled as such in the accompanying caption though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2014 (EST)

There appears to be a discussion about it on the Beretta 92 talk page. MPM did lay out the dates though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2014 (EST)

Unused images

I hope nobody minds, but I would like to add some additional images to the page, and some of the older ones will need to go in order to ensure that the page length is acceptable. I'm pasting them here.

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LAPD Detective Lt. John McClane (Bruce Willis) draws his Beretta 92FS.

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Burke (John Leguizamo) with an Heckler & Koch MP5K.

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An airport SWAT officer carries an M16A1 during the Annex Skywalk shootout.

Merry Christmas! (Yes, I spend my vacation watching Die Hard movies.) -MT2008 (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2014 (EST)

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. As long as you don't include those so called Die Hard films of the 21st century. And the first Die Hard is the greatest Christmas movie of all time. --cool-breeze (talk) 15:33, 24 December 2014 (EST)

What films? You speak of nothing! What kind of foolish trick are you trying to play? Evil Tim (talk) 16:28, 24 December 2014 (EST)

Yes I am sorry, much mistake in my previous statement. I was getting confused in my old age of 27. I was thinking of the Generic Bruce Willis Action Movie. No relation to Die Hard whatsoever. Many apologies ;)--cool-breeze (talk) 18:47, 24 December 2014 (EST)

Honestly, next you'll be saying there are more than two Terminator movies or something. Evil Tim (talk) 00:25, 25 December 2014 (EST)