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Tank guns
Why haven't tank guns been added to any articles? I've noticed this and I'd kinda like to know why. (Sorry if I sound nosey)--TW6464 (talk) 12:27, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
- In general tanks are only equipped with the gun they're actually designed to be equipped with; you're never going to see, for example, a Royal Ordinance L11A5 on an Abrams. Simply saying it's an Abrams in the caption means you've identified the gun (M256 Smoothbore unless it's an M1A-nothing, in which case Royal Ordinance L7). Also you can just say what the tank's coaxial gun is to identify the main gun with it. Evil Tim (talk) 14:33, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
- alright, thank you. I was somewhat confused, considering we have the Bushmaster Chainguns and not MBT guns.--TW6464 (talk) 11:05, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
- There is a bit of inconsistency with which tank and aircraft weapons have their own pages and which don't. The actual site rules state that a gun must be an "individual or crew served weapon that fires in a DIRECT FIRE role" to have its own page, but some gun pages have been added despite this. Technically I think the Bushmaster qualifies as it is a crew served weapon on US Navy ships, but there are some weapons that don't qualify that have their own pages, mostly aerial cannons. I believe the reasoning behind this rule is that generally if you ever see these heavy weapons in films or TV they will generally be mock ups, de-milled weapons that are essentially just a barrel or CG, as opposed to small arms where they are genuinely appearing. --commando552 (talk) 13:10, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
- - Actually I believe some of the 'aircraft' weapons like the M61 Vulcan are not only available in a crew-served form but are also actually in movie armories (MPM has mentioned this), so some may also be eligible on that basis as well. StanTheMan (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
- I agree that the Vulcan is eligible for its own page as it has physically appeared in some movies and is in the posession of at least one armourer. However this is by far the exception to the rule. Also slightly off topic, but has the M61 ever been crew served? The stock answer would be in a Spectre but I don't think they are trainable, they are fixed (even if they were trainable they are not aimed by a gunner at the weapon, but remotely aimed by a gunner looking down the FLIR). The actual aiming is done by the pilot who is nowhere near the things. The closest they come to being crew served is that a gunner has to shovel the spent brass out of the way. --commando552 (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
- - Strictly crew-served/employed I'm not sure but it was mounted on a trainable turret with a special radar/homing setup in a variant of the M113 APC, classified as the M220(?) "VADS" (Vulcan Air-Defense System). As for the 'allowable' question, I believe the general idea was that each piece of that sort would be judged whether it was allowed or not individually on a case-by-case basis. Which I think is doable without much trouble - it's not like there are a whole lot of larger-class of guns like that, unlike the small-arms. For the most part, I agree that larger tank or naval guns shouldn't be included - they're always fake (except in documentary footage, which is minimal), usually not prominent, and as Tim said, not modified/changed to make them something they're not. I think the other stuff has been seen a lot and/or up-close in some media, enough for people to wonder what it may be. I could be wrong though, just a thought. StanTheMan (talk) 01:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- but tanks guns are crew served, technically, right?--TW6464 (talk) 07:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- It depends on what definition you use, but not really. A crew served weapon is generally standalone or on a carriage, if a tank gun was taken out and fitted to a carriage it would be a crew served weapon. --commando552 (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- but tanks guns are crew served, technically, right?--TW6464 (talk) 07:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- - Strictly crew-served/employed I'm not sure but it was mounted on a trainable turret with a special radar/homing setup in a variant of the M113 APC, classified as the M220(?) "VADS" (Vulcan Air-Defense System). As for the 'allowable' question, I believe the general idea was that each piece of that sort would be judged whether it was allowed or not individually on a case-by-case basis. Which I think is doable without much trouble - it's not like there are a whole lot of larger-class of guns like that, unlike the small-arms. For the most part, I agree that larger tank or naval guns shouldn't be included - they're always fake (except in documentary footage, which is minimal), usually not prominent, and as Tim said, not modified/changed to make them something they're not. I think the other stuff has been seen a lot and/or up-close in some media, enough for people to wonder what it may be. I could be wrong though, just a thought. StanTheMan (talk) 01:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- - Indeed, a crew-served weapon by my understanding is just a weapon system served/employed by a crew of personnel. The weapon may be towed for transport/set-up or even put on a vehicle perhaps, but like commando said, it's still capable of use as a standalone unit - it isn't solely or even mostly mounted on a vehicle from which it is used like big guns on tanks and ships. In that regard, the vehicle is the central piece - not the weapon itself, and the vehicle isn't simply considered a 'mount' from which the weapon can be used. In a way you are right that it is served by a crew, but the crew serving the tank's main gun isn't serving the weapon so much as serving part of the vehicle - it's a tank crew, not a M256-gun-mounted-on-an-armored-self-propelled-chassis crew. As said, some of the automatic cannons that are listed are capable of being employed as independent standalone pieces as I understand, and not strictly only part of a particular vehicle or mount. And as I also stated, some of those other weapons have been or are in movie armories, tank guns not so as far as I know. StanTheMan (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
- alright thank you for the clarification.--TW6464 (talk) 08:55, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- - What, you read all that crap? I was just trying to sound impressive! ;) StanTheMan (talk) 20:40, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- BTW, I know I'm late to this discussion, but for the record, I'm against listing auto cannons that are only aircraft used, especially fighter jet aircraft. They can be identified on the individual movie, tv, VG page, but they don't deserve their own pages. No movie armory has one, as they would have to have the fighter jet to begin with. Sure we have "some" older fighter jets in private hands and if a movie armory has has that weaponry in their inventory, it counts. But all the new stuff does not qualify. Just like the big guns on Naval vessels. NO armory would have one of their own. You guys are pretty much on the mark as per this stuff. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 02:35, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
- Another late comment, but to answer the earlier question of whether or not the Vulcan cannon is employed as a crew served weapon, the answer is yes, or, at least a variant of it is. Japanese minesweepers of the Yaeyama class (and possibly others as well) mount the JM-61 'Sea Vulcan' as a crew operated foc'sle deck gun. It appears to be manually crewed and fired (or at least offers that capability) as it has shoulder rests for the operator to lean into similar to the older Bushmaster deck guns in the US Navy (which have, in some cases, been replaced by gyrostabilized, computer driven mounts). Imagine how awesome it would be to fire one of those!? Gau17 (talk) 14:04, 20 Nov 2013 (EST)
- BTW, I know I'm late to this discussion, but for the record, I'm against listing auto cannons that are only aircraft used, especially fighter jet aircraft. They can be identified on the individual movie, tv, VG page, but they don't deserve their own pages. No movie armory has one, as they would have to have the fighter jet to begin with. Sure we have "some" older fighter jets in private hands and if a movie armory has has that weaponry in their inventory, it counts. But all the new stuff does not qualify. Just like the big guns on Naval vessels. NO armory would have one of their own. You guys are pretty much on the mark as per this stuff. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 02:35, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
- - What, you read all that crap? I was just trying to sound impressive! ;) StanTheMan (talk) 20:40, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- alright thank you for the clarification.--TW6464 (talk) 08:55, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- I agree that the Vulcan is eligible for its own page as it has physically appeared in some movies and is in the posession of at least one armourer. However this is by far the exception to the rule. Also slightly off topic, but has the M61 ever been crew served? The stock answer would be in a Spectre but I don't think they are trainable, they are fixed (even if they were trainable they are not aimed by a gunner at the weapon, but remotely aimed by a gunner looking down the FLIR). The actual aiming is done by the pilot who is nowhere near the things. The closest they come to being crew served is that a gunner has to shovel the spent brass out of the way. --commando552 (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
- alright, thank you. I was somewhat confused, considering we have the Bushmaster Chainguns and not MBT guns.--TW6464 (talk) 11:05, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
Main Page Changes
So the featured templates (article, quotes, trivia) are discontinued? Will there be a tutorial on how the automatic updating will work? --Ben41 (talk) 16:56, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- There is a little demo here of how pages will work after the update. This is only a mock up/demo but you can get a vague idea of how it will work. I have another question about the update, I can see that it makes doing a simple standard page with easy entries simpler and will help a load with standardisation, but will it still be possible to do slightly more complicated things or will the template system restrict it? For example will the size of the gun images be set to a standard width meaning that images in a different aspect ratio like grenades will be huge, or will there be a way to manually set it? Also, will you be able to do more complicated gun links using the templates, and by that I mean links to sections within pages or having the link use different text (like a link saying "Springfield Armory XD9 V10" taking you to the "Springfield Armory XD" page)? --commando552 (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- @Ben41 - As explained on the forum, this is only temporary.
- @Commando552 - all good questions. Let's just say there is a reason it has taken us so long to get the software to this point, and why it will take us longer to get it up and running. The short answer is yes. The templates will account for the defaults, but there will be ways around it when necessary.
- --Zackmann08 IMFDB Chief of Operations (talk) 19:41, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
- I am excited and totally supportive of the suggested revisions, but I have an obvious question. I don't participate in the forum and the above demo on YouTube seems to be protected so I am still a bit 'in the dark' if there are any changes regarding page creation from now. Can I still use the 'infobox' format or do I need to run my text through a different format? I just finished coding a movie and I want to get it on IMFDB in a future-proof format. Thanks for any suggestion (will make financial contribution tomorrow!), PeeWee055 (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
- @PeeWee Not sure what the heck is going on with the YouTube video. It is the same video that is on the RocketHub page. We are looking into the issue right now. For now, continue to use the site exactly as you have been. The reason we need funding is that we haven't actually developed the complete back-end yet. We have been tinkering with it for a few months now in our free time. The video is a proof of concept that shows what we plan to do. In the video you see it working with a shotgun. At the moment, we ONLY have it for a shotgun. In other words, if you tried that for a pistol, it wouldn't work (and its not on imfdb, we are working on a sandbox server so as not to mess up what works on here). You would not believe how complicated some of this backend stuff is. Anyway, assuming we get funding and are able to impliment this stuff, we will talk more about the process of converting the site over the new format. It is something we have thought a lot about and are still figuring out. Bottom line: for now, just keep using the site as you always have and keep up the good work, everyone!
- --Zackmann08 IMFDB Chief of Operations (talk) 23:18, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
- I allways create pages offline (in simple text editor) and put them on IMFDB when they are ready. Will I still be able to continue such practice, or only online editing will remain after revision? The latter will make great difficulties for my future contribution on IMFDB because I have access to internet not allways when I have free time for working on a page. Greg-Z (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
Just made a contribution through RocketHub and an idea came up. Due to economic reasons I am temporarily somewhat short on money but plenty on time, so how about I, and possibly others, contribute that 'time' to support IMFDB? Maybe some people can get lists of pages with broken links, or that otherwise need cleaning up, and we allocate a few hours to do boring but essential manual correction work? I know from my own professional experience that any database basically is as good as the worst contribution. Am interested to hear what you think, PeeWee055 (talk) 08:52, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
A 'tongue-in-cheek' notice to all IMFDB members...
PeeWee055 (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
- I love this site and what it represents. To be honest though, two years ago, I wouldn't have been able to support the project even if you had Arnie himself threaten me. But now I'm employed again so hopefully I might be able to contribute a bit in a couple weeks or so. Now I certainly won't get attitude with those who don't though, and will frown upon those who want to force the issue - I'm not saying it's not important, but some may not be able to contribute for a number of reasons, and I won't give them guff about it. In all fairness, I would think most people could give something - hell even five bucks adds up if quite a lot do it. I won't be able to go for the grand prize unless I won the lottery, but damn I'd love to check it out. Anyway, I would say just do what you can. I do like the picture though, that was a nice choice to go with original T800 Arnie. StanTheMan (talk) 20:07, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
Need help with pistol ID.
I need some help IDing a pistol. These are from The Man in the Brown Suit from 1989. The scenes were shot in Spain. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:59, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
- That is the Astra A-50, the SAO variant of the Constable. There are three different Constable variants (Constable is just the US import name), the base A-5000 which is the original version which is on the Constable page, the A-50 which was SAO and had a frame safety along with omitting the slide release catch for some reason, and the double stack A-60. --commando552 (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
- I don't know if a SAO pocket pistol is that great of an idea. Thanks again! --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:45, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
- It does seem to be a bit of an oddity. I'm not actually sure if it was even imported into the US, as all the pistols you see are either just described as a "Astra Constable" for the standard or "Astra A-60 Constable" for the double stack. The A-50 was also strangely used as the basis for a couple of .22 LR target pistols, the Astra A-50 Sport and the Astra TS-22. The TS-22 is particularly bizarre, as due to the fact that it uses a compact frame with full size target grips, the standard A-50 magazine needs a wooden spacer stuck on the bottom of it to fill the gap. --commando552 (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
- SAO makes a lot more sense for a target pistol. I don't know why anyone would get a SAO pocket pistol if there was a DA/SA version available as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:55, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
- It does seem to be a bit of an oddity. I'm not actually sure if it was even imported into the US, as all the pistols you see are either just described as a "Astra Constable" for the standard or "Astra A-60 Constable" for the double stack. The A-50 was also strangely used as the basis for a couple of .22 LR target pistols, the Astra A-50 Sport and the Astra TS-22. The TS-22 is particularly bizarre, as due to the fact that it uses a compact frame with full size target grips, the standard A-50 magazine needs a wooden spacer stuck on the bottom of it to fill the gap. --commando552 (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
- I don't know if a SAO pocket pistol is that great of an idea. Thanks again! --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:45, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
Magpul iPhone Case
I saw that Magpul has been added as a sponsor and that their iPhone case is now available. It's an excellent choice, especially for our users who live in places were they can't own guns or are too young to own guns. I have one of their iPhone 4/4S cases for my work phone, and I love it. It's made of the same material as their PMAGs, and the finish and ribbing allows a fine grip. It comes in a variety of colors (mine is flat dark earth) and is easy to remove if you want to slip it into a dock or something. And my favorite "feature," is that it doesn't have that obnoxious cutout for the Apple logo on the back that some cases have. --Funkychinaman (talk) 01:31, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
Halo Games
Why aren't any of these included on here? I mean, Bungie has said themselves that some of the guns are based in real-life weapons. For example, the MA5 rifle series was said to be based on the F2000 rifle, and the M6 pistol series was said to be based on the Desert Eagle. What I'm asking is this: would it be okay if I added a page for Halo?--TW6464 (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
- It's generally been decided that the Halo weapons aren't sufficiently realistic; while this hasn't been helped by all the people who've tried to make Halo pages being (a) terrible at making pages and (b) trolls and / or idiots, very few of the weapons have much more than a vague resemblance to a real world firearm (about the only one I can think of offhand that definitely is a specific IRL weapon is the sniper rifle, which is an NTW-20 with the magwell rotated 90 degrees). Evil Tim (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
Target P38
I ran across the pistol below tonight. It's obviously a Walther P38/P1 or some sort, but I can't seem to find any information on it. It looks like a target version, with a longer, thicker barrel, and adjustable sights. (As if a P38 mated with a Wildey Hunter.) Is it a production model, a custom job, or maybe a kit with a different slide and barrel. Is it even a real gun? (It's never fired onscreen.) The slide appears to be devoid of markings. --Funkychinaman (talk) 02:30, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- My only guess is a version of Erma 882, a .22 long-barreled sporting pistol based on P38. But it is a very weak guess. Greg-Z (talk) 04:30, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- I think this same pistol was used in Dempsey and Makepeace, which was shot around the same time. It was IDed as a Wildey Hunter. You can't see the left side of the gun, where all the controls are, but the rear sight appears to match. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- I've been searching on Google for a while now, and it's very frustrating, because you would think something like this THEORETICALLY SHOULD exist. The P38 was a service weapon for a major power for almost sixty years, you'd think there'd be some demand for a target version. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:26, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- French Manurhin also produced long-barreled sporting versions of Walther, based on PP and P38. But none of them matches the screen pistol. Greg-Z (talk) 12:53, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- I saw the Manurhin target PP, and the fact that it even exists means there should be the equivalent for the P38. The fact that I can't find a thing on it is very frustrating. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:48, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
- French Manurhin also produced long-barreled sporting versions of Walther, based on PP and P38. But none of them matches the screen pistol. Greg-Z (talk) 12:53, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
Seems the mystery of this gun is solved! I have been in contact with one of the authors of a recent reference book about P38/P1 who's also involved with the museum and study center of the German Army. As the one person who can confirm, he informed me that there has never been any official version as visible in the images. He confirms it's a pure armorers job based on a P1, to make the gun look like a Wildey Hunter. Case closed, PeeWee055 (talk) 11:59, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
- That explains why we couldn't find anything on it. Thank you very much for asking. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:07, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
Project Reality: Normandy
Is this gonna get added or something? Because this has been out for like a year now...--TW6464 (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
- If someone is willing to put in the effort to create AND COMPLETE a page, they are more than welcome to do so. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:26, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
Different actors with identical names
How do we name actor pages in case of different actors with the same name? I have such problem with several Russian actors and need help to avoid confusion. Greg-Z (talk) 13:29, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
- Just a suggestion but one way is if they have different middle names (As in the case of both Vanessa Williams), you could add the middle initial to the name of one or all the actor pages to distinguish them apart. If it's the same initial but different middle name you may have to go for the full name on the actor page or something. As for if they have identical FULL names (not that likely but certainly possible), well then that would be a bit of a conundrum. StanTheMan (talk) 18:07, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
- In the US, union rules prohibit the same name, thus the initials. For example, Michael J. Fox had to add the "J." because there already was a Michael Fox. (His real middle name is Andrew). --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:13, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
- Thanks for advices! But the problem is that Russian language differs from English in the case of middle names. We use patronymics but they are recorded in different way than English middle names: Ivan Petrovich Sidorov ("Ivan" is a given name, "Petrovich" is a patronymic, and "Sidorov" is a family name) can be shortly recorded as Ivan Sidorov or I.P.Sidorov but never Ivan P. Sidorov. So adding numbers will be a better solution. An actor who started his career earlier will get a I, and the one that appeared on screen later would be number II, right? I cannot take numbers straight from IMDB because they use a continuous numbering for directors, actors and other cinema people and we here need only actors, so the numbering would be local. Greg-Z (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
- With the Robert Taylors, it was just a matter of who had a page here first. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:19, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
- Thanks for advices! But the problem is that Russian language differs from English in the case of middle names. We use patronymics but they are recorded in different way than English middle names: Ivan Petrovich Sidorov ("Ivan" is a given name, "Petrovich" is a patronymic, and "Sidorov" is a family name) can be shortly recorded as Ivan Sidorov or I.P.Sidorov but never Ivan P. Sidorov. So adding numbers will be a better solution. An actor who started his career earlier will get a I, and the one that appeared on screen later would be number II, right? I cannot take numbers straight from IMDB because they use a continuous numbering for directors, actors and other cinema people and we here need only actors, so the numbering would be local. Greg-Z (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
- In the US, union rules prohibit the same name, thus the initials. For example, Michael J. Fox had to add the "J." because there already was a Michael Fox. (His real middle name is Andrew). --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:13, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
- I ran into that issue with two Robert Taylors. The second one was marked as Robert Taylor (II) like IMDB does. I also added a little explanation on top of the page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
Captcha
I've been trying to upload screenshots recently and I keep running into a captcha challenge. What's going on? I've been trying to access the site on both Firefox and IE. --Ben41 (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
- I've been getting that at work in the mornings and around dusk. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:41, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
- Ugh, captcha's back. I've got a bunch of caps to upload, but I guess I'll hold off till later. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
Site Running Slow
The site is taking a long time to load pictures. Is there maintenance going on? --Ben41 (talk) 04:39, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
- It seems ok to me loading-wise, and I myself have been having internet issues generally. But I have noticed a hiccup or two, but again, I can't tell if that's the site or me. One thing though, I've been getting security code entry pages at times when I've had to edit. Again, I'd say it might just be me, but I know Ben's had those issues too. Maybe something is going on. StanTheMan (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
Checking on a recent work I did.
Need a check on this work of mine to see if the sniper rifle used in the Sakura Taisen: École de Paris OVA is the M1903 Springfield, although I'm getting a feeling that it's one of the variants with a Unertl scope. Ominae (talk) 10:40, 26 July 2013 (EDT)
- The last cap has me thinking Arisaka. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:26, 27 July 2013 (EDT)
Donate time instead of funds to IMFDB?
Unfortunately the recent funding project has not resulted in enough funds to realize a more user-friendly interface on IMFDB and bring the quality of the site to a higher level. I was just wondering if we could bring together a couple of motivated contributors who would be willing to spend some time on a structured clean-up of IMFDB. The idea is to make the best of IMFDB as it is, and all take a list of pages (say 100 each?) where we correct obvious spelling mistakes and revise broken/missing links. I know there's a few admins who work very hard on that but if we make this a combined effort, we could somewhat bring IMFDB to a bit higher quality level. It's not very spectacular (and probably quite boring), but I guess a little maintenance doesn't hurt once in a while. Let me know what you think, PeeWee055 (talk) 09:37, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
- I'd like to think members are constantly trying to make improvements. Spelling and grammar fixes are easy, everyone should be able to lend a hand in that. Formatting fixes are a bit harder, since you'd have to know code, but once you learn it, it's nothing. A bit harder than that is converting pages to tables. There are a some actor pages out there that still haven't been converted, and even if you don't know how, I suppose users can always make note of that on the talk page. Converting weapon pages to tables tends to be a bit more tedious, since dates may be missing and will need to be cross-referenced. New users might also want to check out our Incomplete pages, it might be easier to finish a partially built page than to build one from scratch. We've published a style guide and a screencapping guide to help new users along. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:42, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
- The vast majority of my contributions consist of formatting/organization edits and occasionally reworking/adding some of the table formats on pages. One thing I try to do is add and interconnect media pages with entries on both the respective gun and actor pages, but I admit that's tedious work and I certainly don't do it throughout the site. But I do what I can, I too would like to think others do as well. StanTheMan (talk) 22:02, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
403 Forbidden error...
... on ...And Justice For All page. My bet is that three dots in title cause this - if Admin could fix this, that'd be great (page can't be reached, and edited, via the Wiki CMS). --Chris22lr (talk) 06:55, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
- You can actually look at the page by previewing it from http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=...And_Justice_For_All&action=edit but I can't get moving it to work, it just 403s me. Temporary fix: And Justice For All. Evil Tim (talk) 07:41, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
Whoa, what is with the LOUD pop up commercial that appears on this page?!?!?!?!?
The default should be silent. Most folks don't appreciate a LOUD audio of a pop up commercial on a page. Sure, I understand the fiscal need for advertisements, but loud audio as the default is almost universally disliked. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 16:36, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
Something to check up on
Did this page, but I need another set of eyes to help me complete it for now. Ominae (talk) 21:48, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
- The unknown pistol kinda-sorta looks like a Beretta Cougar. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
- My bet is on Jericho 941 Compact... --Warejaws (talk) 22:10, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
- If I can only flip a coin. So hard to distinguish which one, but the design is initially leaning on the Beretta Mini Cougar though due to the manual safety on the slide. Ominae (talk) 23:42, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
- Are you sure it's not some crazy pistol made up for the series? It appears there's a lot of them in that franchise. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:54, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
- Could be. Another theory I came up with is that it's a mixup of parts from the Mini Cougar and the 941 Compact. But since the movies came out recently, probably it's best to wait for a visual book or something? Ominae (talk) 00:00, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- If it is based on a Jericho, it is the compact, slide safety, polymer framed RBL. However even with this there are several differences, most notably the shape of the slide which is open at the top like the Beretta 92FS. --commando552 (talk) 04:45, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- Thanks. Here's the said picture for reference: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:GITSA_GP_pistols.jpg Ominae (talk) 08:38, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- If it is based on a Jericho, it is the compact, slide safety, polymer framed RBL. However even with this there are several differences, most notably the shape of the slide which is open at the top like the Beretta 92FS. --commando552 (talk) 04:45, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- Could be. Another theory I came up with is that it's a mixup of parts from the Mini Cougar and the 941 Compact. But since the movies came out recently, probably it's best to wait for a visual book or something? Ominae (talk) 00:00, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
- Are you sure it's not some crazy pistol made up for the series? It appears there's a lot of them in that franchise. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:54, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
Empty space on top of page caused by 'unidentified gun' template
I just noticed that whenever I use the template for 'unidentified gun' on top of a page, it seems to cause a relatively big white space (appr. 2" on a regular 15.4" laptop screen) between the symbol and the rest of the page. For examples, check my most recent entries Torrente and The Baytown Outlaws. I remember a discussion about a year ago about spaces on the top of pages caused by advertisements, but this seems to be related to the 'unidentified gun' template as the space disappears when I remove the template. Thanks in advance for your feedback about how to fix this, PeeWee055 (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- I see such space on every movie/TV/game page, with or without any template on top though it doesn't appear on actor or weapon pages. Greg-Z (talk) 05:05, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- It isn't to do with the banner templates like Unknown or WIP, it is the infobox. The reason is that it wasn't working with the banner adds at the top of the page (I think the infobox ended up next to the add on the left of the page or something and messed the whole thing up) so spaces were manually put in on the template to allow room for the banner add at the top. If you have an ad-blocker or are using a skin other than the default you won't see the adds, so this is the space where they otherwise would be. I might have a fix though, but as I am not sure what the original problem was as I use a different skin will need to check with other people that it solves it. --commando552 (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- Try logging out and looking at the same page as an anonymous user, and it's spaced perfectly. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:58, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- I don't see how it could be, the space is built into the infobox template. Do you mean that when you log out adds fill the space, because if so that means you have a non default skin meaning the adds don't show up. The space isn't going away, it just gets filled with an add. My idea for a fix is to just replace the 14 blank lines in th etemplate with a <br clear=all>, which would create only one blank line if using an ad-blocker or non default skin, or if not just start the page immediately under the conflicting add. Have run it past Bunni first though, as he was the one who put in the lines in the template in the first place. --commando552 (talk) 08:07, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- I've changed the templates to (I think) get rid of the gap and they seem to be behaving with and without adds. If anyone notices anything weird please let me know. --commando552 (talk) 13:57, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- I don't see how it could be, the space is built into the infobox template. Do you mean that when you log out adds fill the space, because if so that means you have a non default skin meaning the adds don't show up. The space isn't going away, it just gets filled with an add. My idea for a fix is to just replace the 14 blank lines in th etemplate with a <br clear=all>, which would create only one blank line if using an ad-blocker or non default skin, or if not just start the page immediately under the conflicting add. Have run it past Bunni first though, as he was the one who put in the lines in the template in the first place. --commando552 (talk) 08:07, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- Try logging out and looking at the same page as an anonymous user, and it's spaced perfectly. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:58, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- It isn't to do with the banner templates like Unknown or WIP, it is the infobox. The reason is that it wasn't working with the banner adds at the top of the page (I think the infobox ended up next to the add on the left of the page or something and messed the whole thing up) so spaces were manually put in on the template to allow room for the banner add at the top. If you have an ad-blocker or are using a skin other than the default you won't see the adds, so this is the space where they otherwise would be. I might have a fix though, but as I am not sure what the original problem was as I use a different skin will need to check with other people that it solves it. --commando552 (talk) 06:08, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
- It's all fine now! I was not using any add blocker but for some reason the spaces are gone now. Sorry to take your time, a big thanks from Holland, PeeWee055 (talk) 04:09, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
That fundraiser from earlier
I remember what at the beginning of the year or so, there was a fundraiser to upgrade IMFDB, or something of the like. When will we expect that upgrade to be implemented? - User:1morey September 20, 2013 9:16 AM (EST)
- Unfortunately we fell very far short of our goal. We are currently looking for other options of how to move forward with the upgrade. It is something that we certainly want to do, but at present is not possible. --Zackmann08 IMFDB Chief of Operations (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2013 (EDT)
Help with ID
I ran across this weird carbine in both Seasons 1 and 4 of Mission: Impossible. Within the show, it's not a real gun, but rather some sort of launcher for non-lethal munitions, a small rocket in one episode and a HEP/gas grenade in another. It certainly looks like it was built from a real gun though, like if an M1 Carbine mated with an MP40. Any ideas? --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2013 (EDT)
- It shows up again in season 5, this time to fire a grappling hook. I'm beginning to think it's not based on a gun, but some sort of projector. The wooden rifle stock is very confusing though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:05, 19 December 2013 (EST)
Magazine about guns in movies
I recently bought a special edition of Visier (the leading gun magazine in Germany) that I think might be of interest to you. It’s all about movie weapons (‘Filmwaffen’) and even though it also has info about blades and pyrotechnics, the majority of this special edition focusses on guns in movies, check the summary. It was originally published in 2008 and if you don’t mind the German and are looking for a Christmas gift, I can really recommend it. Happy reading, PeeWee055 (talk) 11:24, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
six gun afficionados on IMFDB?..
I have recently screencapped all three seasons of Hell On Wheels, which is a great show by the way. A couple of ex-Confederate soldiers had these revolvers in an episode, and I don't know whether they are Colt 1851 Navy revolvers or Griswold & Gunnison revolvers.
The brass frames have me thinking that these are Griswolds, but the octagonal barrels have me thinking these are Colt Navys. Or perhaps some weird combination built on parts from both of the aforementioned revolers... I'd really appreciate if you could help me out here, I'm no expert on six shooters. --Warejaws (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
- I'm not really a revolver guy, however I wouldn't rely on the frame material to ID one of these old revolvers. It is highly unlikely that a modern production will be using a genuine original revolver, and instead they will be using some kind of replica. For example, this is a modern Pietta blank fire reproduction of the Colt Navy 1851, and as you can see it has a "brass" frame. Also, note the step on the cylinder which wasn't there on either the original Colt or Griswold. From what I have seen (again, definitely not an expert on these) this is indicative of them being chambered for a different caliber, either cased blanks as is the case with the above Pietta, or they are in .44 caliber like this CVA reproduction. --commando552 (talk) 17:39, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
- Thanks for the insight. I know that most of the older guns we see in media are reproducton pieces from Uberti etc., but how does one label them? The Griswold is a copy of the 1851 Navy with a round barrel and a brass frame, and these guns are probably modern replicas with brass frames. But they also have octagonal barrels, so do you put it on the page as Colt 1851 Navy, and explain in the text that these are reproduction models, or?... I don't think I've ever done a western here on IMFDB, so this is all very new to me... --Warejaws (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
Marvel One Shot Film inclusions
Question though. Is it fine to include Marvel One shots such as the Agent Carter film released in the Iron Man 3 Blu-Ray? Ominae (talk) 00:11, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
- I'm discussing this with FCM. These will probably be added to the discussion pages of the films that they were included with. (Ex. Agent Carter will probably be put in the discussion page of Iron Man 3). --Ben41 (talk) 04:24, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
- Agent Carter is up on the IM3 discussion page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
- A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer is up on the Captain America discussion page. The Consultant didn't have any weapons outside of footage from The Incredible Hulk.--Funkychinaman (talk) 22:33, 3 November 2013 (EST)
- Item 47 didn't have any weapons in it other than a fictional alien weapon. I have a cap of that if anyone actually wants it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:05, 31 January 2014 (EST)
- A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer is up on the Captain America discussion page. The Consultant didn't have any weapons outside of footage from The Incredible Hulk.--Funkychinaman (talk) 22:33, 3 November 2013 (EST)
- Agent Carter is up on the IM3 discussion page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:34, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
I Am Legend
What happened to the I Am Legend page? I was editing it and now it's completely unreachable. --Ben41 (talk) 19:54, 5 November 2013 (EST)
- Seems to load up for me, I haven't tried editing it though. StanTheMan (talk) 20:01, 5 November 2013 (EST)
Including the Type 91 MANPAD
Should I put it under the FIM-92, since it looks similar, but it has a different guidance system and they're used since the late 1990s by the JSDF? Ominae (talk) 09:41, 7 November 2013 (EST)
- It doesn't actually appear to be a development of the Stinger, and the similarities are merely cosmetic. I think it can go on its own page if you want, but I don't know how many of these we'll ever see. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:56, 7 November 2013 (EST)
- I'll probably name it as the Type 91 MANPAD since there's a page for the Type 91 UBGL. Ominae (talk) 10:40, 8 November 2013 (EST)
- Although it seems a bit counter-intuitive, there should be an "S" on the end even for a singular launcher (meaning that it is MANPADS not MANPAD), as the "S" stand for "System". --commando552 (talk) 11:00, 8 November 2013 (EST)
- All done at last. The page is here, but I don't know if the warning should be added about the cosmetic similarities between the Stinger and Type 91. Don't know if Saikano qualifies for this. Ominae (talk) 11:15, 8 November 2013 (EST)
- Although it seems a bit counter-intuitive, there should be an "S" on the end even for a singular launcher (meaning that it is MANPADS not MANPAD), as the "S" stand for "System". --commando552 (talk) 11:00, 8 November 2013 (EST)
- I'll probably name it as the Type 91 MANPAD since there's a page for the Type 91 UBGL. Ominae (talk) 10:40, 8 November 2013 (EST)
Editing Pages
Should these pages (here and here) still be edited in terms of the headings? Ominae (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Time for images to update
Updating the screen caps of the 1st season of Grimm. Currently have only a Blu-Ray 720p copy with me for the meantime. How long do I need to wait for the server to update since the old and new screen caps have the same 1280x780 resolution, but have different KBs? Ominae (talk) 00:51, 21 November 2013 (EST)
- You don't, just increase the image sizes by 1 pixel and it'll force the server to generate new thumbnails. Evil Tim (talk) 02:30, 21 November 2013 (EST)
IMDB or Wikipedia for Season and Episode numbers?
I just ran into a problem with the The Avengers: Wikipedia lists only 6 seasons, while IMDB lists 7 (same as the DVD box I have). Which one do I go with? --Milkovich Error creating thumbnail: File missing 06:56, 21 November 2013 (EST)
- IMDB listings generally take precedence, though if you have official production info that I think comes first - if you have an official DVD set that confirms the IMDB info, I think you can go with that. StanTheMan (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2013 (EST)
- I'm rather mixed on this. For most things, IMDB trumps everything, but I went with intended air order with Firefly rather than actual air order (as specified on IMDB.) For the Avengers, it appears that series 6 was extra long and thus split up when it aired in the US. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2013 (EST)
- Good points. However I know we use the American release title for pages, perhaps we just apply that to the Season list as well? That seem to be the only real distinction. StanTheMan (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2013 (EST)
- I'm rather mixed on this. For most things, IMDB trumps everything, but I went with intended air order with Firefly rather than actual air order (as specified on IMDB.) For the Avengers, it appears that series 6 was extra long and thus split up when it aired in the US. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2013 (EST)
Identification
This is from the British/French show "The Tunnel". Got a good screencap on this, but I can't figure out what type of grenade launcher it is. Ominae (talk) 01:07, 26 November 2013 (EST)
May I create article "Improvised firearm"?
May I create article "Improvised firearm"? As variant of the title "Homemade firearm". In my country this weapon calls Самопал (Samopal) or поджига (podzhiga). This firearms are present in:
Film
Television
Games
and others. What do you think about this? Please, answer me. Pyramid Silent (talk) 06:28, 4 December 2013 (EST)
- Absolutely NOT. Pages are for actual firearms, and "improvised firearm" is too broad a category. If there is something worth mentioning, you can add a comment about it in the movie page's discussion section. --Ben41 (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2013 (EST)
Swedish Hamilton movies
Recently, a page was created for the Swedish action movie Commander Hamilton (1998). It just so happens that currently I am working on yet another ‘Hamilton’ page called Hamilton: In The Interest Of The Nation (2012) and with a bit of luck I will also do a second one; Agent Hamilton: But Not If It Concerns My Daughter (2012). To make matters more interesting, there’s already two other ‘Hamilton’ movies on IMFD; Code Name Coq Rouge (1989) and The Democratic Terrorist (1992).
It seems to me that Swedish film makers are following the James Bond principle; use material from a series of spy books (by Jan Guillou instead of Ian Fleming) and use whatever actor looks cool at the time to portray the lead character. For this reason, I feel these movies should be linked, in a way similar to the James Bond movies. Would it be okay if I added ‘See Also’ in the infobox of every ‘Hamilton’ movie page and created (Sub) Categories as well for resp. ‘Hamilton Actor’ and ‘Hamilton’? I have never done something like this so I would appreciate your feedback, PeeWee055 (talk) 06:50, 15 December 2013 (EST)
- Dude, it seems you're not the only one:
I literally just watched and capped both of them yesterday after Funky reignited my interest in Hamilton films :D --Warejaws (talk) 07:05, 15 December 2013 (EST)
- Great timing! I won't be finished with Hamilton: In The Interest Of The Nation until the end of this month so please go ahead and upload your material, it seems you are ahead of me. If necessary I will add screencaps and I will check with you to agree what's the most logical way to organize all 'Hamiltons', okay? Take care, PeeWee055 (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2013 (EST)
Instead of making a category for Hamilton actors, take a look at the "See Also" table for the Superman, Bourne, or Bond series. That's probably to best way to categorize the different actors who played the character. --Ben41 (talk) 22:09, 15 December 2013 (EST)
- Excellent suggestion! The only 'See Also' format I knew contained just movies but this way we can cover all (movies + actors). I made a new format and have it checked by those who have already done a lot of work on 'Hamilton'. Thanks, PeeWee055 (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2013 (EST)
Double Barreled Shotguns
Should Percussion Double Barreled Shotguns get a separate section in the 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun page? There is a distinct difference between the Percussion and later shotguns. --Ben41 (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2013 (EST)
Article for the DayZ Standalone?
Is there going to be an article written for it? The game has technically been released, as it is in alpha, and already features an expansive amount of guns, so it could be justified.
- If someone is willing to put in the effort to make a complete page for it, then by all means, go for it. And please remember to sign your posts. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Identeficate revolver
I have a few conerted to blank ammo revolvers. It's two Nagant 1895 and one turks (made in Turkey by ATAK Arms) revolver. It's named LOM-S, but I can't find any military revolver with this name. If anyone know, what was a real prototype of this revolver, please tell me about that. Pyramid Silent (talk) 18:03, 31 December 2013 (EST)
- The revolver appears to be similar to a Smith & Wesson Model 340 (but with a regular hammer), but it's not a "converted" revolver, but rather one built to only fire blanks. --Ben41 (talk) 18:25, 31 December 2013 (EST)
- This revolver is designed specially to fire blank cartridges 5.6x16 (.22NC) (such cartridges are used in powder-actuated nailguns). It is made of zink and aluminium and cannot be converted to fire live ammo. Greg-Z (talk) 03:10, 1 January 2014 (EST)
Identeficate SMG
One my friend has a photo of two unknown SMG.
I thing, that's a some model of Heckler&Koch or something like this, but I'm not sure. If I'm wrong, tell me about that and I shall tell this to my friend. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:22, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- Are you serious or just trolling, that's what I'm wondering? :D --Warejaws (talk) 12:43, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- I'm seriosly. You can find this photo here:
http://elfenlied.su/forum/33-450-701388-16-1346848587 It's not a trolling. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- The business end seems to be taken from SPAS-12. Greg-Z (talk) 12:50, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- It is a really obvious photoshop of 3 different guns. Front is a SPAS-12, receiver is from a G36, and stock is an Ace Skeleton Stock which normally mounts on an AR-15. I'm going to call it a "Franchi AR-36". --commando552 (talk) 12:52, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- I'll add that the receiver and especially the SPAS part seems to be considerably 'squished', I suppose to make it look a bit more compact and like an SMG. But as C552 said, that's a blatant photoshop job, and a rather weird one at that. That thing might be a real gun in someone's imagination, but otherwise, uh, no. StanTheMan (talk) 14:56, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- It is a really obvious photoshop of 3 different guns. Front is a SPAS-12, receiver is from a G36, and stock is an Ace Skeleton Stock which normally mounts on an AR-15. I'm going to call it a "Franchi AR-36". --commando552 (talk) 12:52, 5 January 2014 (EST)
Question on "The Gatekeepers" Documentary
I assume that it's not qualified even though it was released as a movie on Shin Bet? Reference is here. Ominae (talk) 04:42, 16 January 2014 (EST)
- The subject shouldn't really matter, it's still a documentary. There are a lot of eligible titles that can be covered in its stead. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:50, 16 January 2014 (EST)
Identeficate revolver in the anime
If somebody can identeficate this revolver, please tell me what is it: Colt Dragoon or Colt 1851 Navy. Thanks. Pyramid Silent (talk) 03:54, 21 January 2014 (EST)
Please help with identification
This pistol is used by the main character in French film De bon matin (2011). In the film it is called "Model S300, caliber 9 mm" (a pure fictional name). Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 12:17, 29 January 2014 (EST)
- Looks like an Astra A-100 --Warejaws (talk) 12:23, 29 January 2014 (EST)
Please help with identification-2
And again I have to ask for help. This revolver is carried by the main character in French film Le convoyeur (released in USA as Cash Truck). It mostly resembles Smith & Wesson Model 15 but, first, it lacks the rear sight while the front sight is a target one, and second, the cylinder looks too small as compared with the frame. Maybe a Taurus Model 80?
Thanks in advance! Greg-Z (talk) 11:00, 8 February 2014 (EST) A Taurus is the more likely revolver. --Ben41 (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2014 (EST)
- I agree with Ben, the Taurus looks right. StanTheMan (talk) 17:17, 8 February 2014 (EST)
Unknown gun and an article for Get Smart (TV)
I was watching an old episode of Get Smart on DVD and one of the KAOS agents had a gun I've never seen before. Fortunately someone put it on Youtube, as I only get a black square when trying to take screenshots. The episode aired February 25, 1967, so I'm guessing it's a Cold War era Soviet SMG.
Would you believe there isn't an article on here for the TV show? So, I'd like to start one and would appreciate any tips for making one, especially on differences from Wikipedia. I think some of the guns in the CONTROL museum in the 2008 Get Smart film are from the original show, so it's somewhere to start. (Also want to say thanks, bunni, for helping me look for pistols used in The Duel.) -- JustanID (talk) 01:18, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- The weapon kind of looks like an M1 with a pistol grip (below), but I'm not a 100% on this. --Warejaws (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2014 (EST)
I think this is the gun you're looking for. --Ben41 (talk) 06:02, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- It's a lot of work to do a TV series, especially an older one like Get Smart. As a relatively inexperienced user, I would recommend something easier, like a movie, as a first page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:31, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- Thanks for the feedback; it looks like that one, with a wooden upper piece that can be seen in some of the other pictures on the M1 page. @Funkychinaman: I doubt I'd be able to do the entire series at once, maybe one episode at a time. Though there are 138 of them, there's probably a lot of recurring weapons. I guess I could start with the two tie-in movies and see how that works out. -- JustanID (talk) 09:43, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- In my experience, much of the work is documenting the firearms usage of the various guest stars that show up. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:51, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- Starting The Nude Bomb article and, wow, I remember it being bad, but not this bad. --JustanID (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2014 (EST)
- In my experience, much of the work is documenting the firearms usage of the various guest stars that show up. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:51, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- Thanks for the feedback; it looks like that one, with a wooden upper piece that can be seen in some of the other pictures on the M1 page. @Funkychinaman: I doubt I'd be able to do the entire series at once, maybe one episode at a time. Though there are 138 of them, there's probably a lot of recurring weapons. I guess I could start with the two tie-in movies and see how that works out. -- JustanID (talk) 09:43, 14 February 2014 (EST)
- It's a lot of work to do a TV series, especially an older one like Get Smart. As a relatively inexperienced user, I would recommend something easier, like a movie, as a first page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:31, 14 February 2014 (EST)
Highlander II
I remember someone had put up some screen images for Highlander II, but I can't remember where they are. Does anyone? --Ben41 (talk) 20:00, 19 February 2014 (EST)
Unknown revolvers
The Prisoner of Zenda page that was here previously was a blend of two version of the film, the second of which was merely a lazy color remake of the first. The odd thing is, I'm having trouble IDing the revolvers used in the same scenes in both films, although they are two different models.
1937 version:
1952 version:
For background, the films are supposed to be set in the 1890's in a fictional central European monarchy. Neither of the revolvers actually fire in their scenes. Any help would be appreciated. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:57, 28 February 2014 (EST)