Talk:Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Knives

Main Knife

This is main melee knife used in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. The knife attack always kills an enemy in one slash or stab. In Old School multiplayer matches, however, two knife attacks are required to kill an enemy player at full health. This two-hit-kill knifing also applies when double health is applied on Private Matches. It is used by all the factions and moves very fast.

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The main Knife In-Game

Discussion

Ah, goddamnit. I wanted to do this. Well, maybe i can make it up to IMFDB standards sometime, just DON'T do Half-Life 2. - Flying Dane

MP5

This is not an MP5A3/SD as previously suggested, as it has a flat sided receiver with pictogram markings instead of the S-E-F markings on the A3.

Wrong, It's an MP5N/SDN, it doesn't have the 4th selector option.

Please, keep the commentary on the discussion page. At any rate, I added a capture with a clearer view of the selector and its lack of a fourth position. Spartan198 20:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Screenshots

I have a lot of shots for the page and will upload them tommorow. -GM

I've got a crapload of good real pictures for a lot of the guns, but I don't have any clue as to how to upload them, so, for anyone that can, email me at r1c0ch37@gmail.com

You know what would have been better?

I kinda wished the creators of this game made more guns for us to use. There are so many modern firearms at least they could put in the multiplayer. Like the G36 carrying handle instead of the rail, H&K machineguns, H&K grenade launchers, a full auto M16 in the multiplayer, the option to put every accessory on your primary, like sights, suppressor, and grenade launcher all in one instead of just pick only one. I know they did that for balance, but screw balance. Let's see, what else? The UMP, Mac-10, Glocks (specificly the Glock 18), Drum magazines, AUG, Tavor, SA80/L85A1, L96A1, MP7A1. I know I'm starting to sound like I'm turning the gun choices of COD4 into Rainbow Six, but that's why I like that game a lot because it has SO MANY GUNS to pick from and the option of putting whatever you want. I want the ability to change firing modes, to add and take off suppressors. Excalibur01 20:34, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention having the actual front sight posts still present on optic-equipped M16s and M4s would have been nice. I realize they probably removed it to give better visibility, but still. Spartan198 22:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Firing selectors would have been nice. Full auto or nothing is kind of lame. - Gunmaster45

According to gamers, the military doesn't use semi-automatic (sarcasm). Spartan198 09:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Yet it's all modeled on semi. Or safe.-protoAuthor 01:45, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Well screw hardcore gamers. I have most of the Tom Clancy games and those you can select weapons to semi and auto and even some have bursts modeExcalibur01 01:06,

3 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely with you. In most situations in-game, I seemingly always find myself tapping the trigger for single shots instead of firing bursts. Spartan198 07:02, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

i would have liked to have seen the L96A1 and or the AW50F, as these would have been awesome in cod, also the glock 18, SR-25, and i would have liked to do my own customising of weapons, like on the M16 on the modified version you lose the front sights which just look wrong.

Is ok to put pics on this from other websites. User:Drjuki

I want a goddamm regular FN FAL and a IMI Galil AR with the wood hand guards. They would be perfect in the hands of terrorists in the game. They already have the G3 why not a FN FAL?Oliveira 18:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

i would have liked to customised the weapons myself

In my opinion the worst choice of the Infinity Ward was the selection of the MP-44 as "final unlock": is older than the AK-47 and cannot be modified, excepted the selection of the camouiflage painting. Why call the game "Modern Warfare" if the (teorically) ultimate gun is also the oldest??? Lone Soldier 03-12-2009

I believe the mp44 aka sturm was put in there as an Easter Egg of sorts since this was the first Call of Duty to date that wasnt about WW2.

Desert Eagle

what finishes do the Desert Eagles have in the game? IMI lists several variants http://www.magnumresearch.com/CustomFinishes.asp

Just stainless steel, I think. But don't quote me. I never use it. Spartan198 07:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198 the game has chrome and titanium gold.

Stainless steel, as well as gold once you reach level 55.

The Desert Eagles don't come in stainless steel. It would be too goddamn shiny. It uses a chrome-plating finish. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 06:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

P90 comments.

whoever keeps deleting my edits bugger off, this gun is awesome it is easy to aim and has awesome stopping power, and to say it is weak and inaccurate is just plain rubbish, u would have to be a fool to fail to kill an oppo with this gun

Have at it, but remember - this is the last time I play nice. --Clutch 19:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

this weapon is the fantastic it is very easy to aim it has good stopping power and at close range it is downright lethal

Can't we all play nice?!?! User:Drjuki

I stopped playing COD4 because of peoples bickering "Thats a noob gun" "you're camping" "that perk sucks"

There is a crowd who all believe what perks everyoe should have and what weapons, Id love to see a game by their rules, it would be boring. So waiting a few minuites behid a corner is camping, and i'm kicked for it, but they can sit in a building with a siper level the whole match? Tehn there is the p90 debate. Let people who like it use it, do't start telling them there a noob and being unfair.

Come on clutch! Don't be so evil on the kid.Oliveira 18:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Any weapon or perk combination you use to kill an opposing player is deemed "noobish". Anymore I just laugh their rants off and go on with the game. Spartan198 20:46, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

I think it's sad people (including myself) stop playing the very good multiplayer because of the other players who just ruin it with loud, abusive talking, silly arguments about trivial matters, and generally making it uncomfortable. User:Mcguinness

the noobish comment is spot on as if u use something that the other gamers dont like noobish sod that i kill the lot of em, and the silly arguements comment is also right it gets down right annoying

No Browning M2?

Why is there no Browning on the page? It was clearly seen in-game.

umm i dont think glitching outside of the map counts unles your counting the one on the M1 ambrams -scarecrow

As long as it's in the game, it counts to be in the article. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 06:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Red Dot Sight

The red dot sight on the M4 SOPMOD is a Sure Shot Reflex Sight, not a C-More. [[1]] Spartan198 07:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

The 1911 Griggs used looks more like a Kimber TLE stainless

About the Springfield 1911 in the game I also think it is a Springfield opposed to a Kimber Warrior because I have one and the grip is a lighter color plus it has a different magazine.

umm its a stainless (silver colour) 1911 isnt it? where does it say on the page its a kimber? -scarecrow

Excerpt from Remington 700P

• "Oddly, the M40A3 also seen in game is very much the same weapon, although in the game they have slightly different attributes."

I have to agree and disagree with this statement, as they can't be classified "as the same weapon", since the M40A3 has its own model number, designation, and role in the Marine Corps; and was modified from the R700P, one change being the finely rifled heavy barrel. However, both rifles, as mentioned before, are made from the Remington 700 model. I think this should be clarified a bit more clearly. Any thoughts? --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 12:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Just quick, is the 700p the ltr model or not? Can you tell? User:Mcguinness

Bluey?

I noticed that some M4's and M16's have "Bluey" on the side. Is there a reason for this? Or just something the designers put in?

• I think it's "Blue 4," possibly to identify who the rifle belongs to in the squad. Vangelis 11:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

yea it says blue 4 on both a M4 and M16 -scarecrow

M4/M16

I added a little more information about how the gas block removal on an M4/M16 would effect the firearm. It is true that is the gas block is removed that the next round will not chamber automatically. the bolt would have to be racked to load a new round. I just thought I'd add that information to the page. It can be removed if desired. ShaDow XPS

INCORRECT ^

Though you cannot see it, most likely the standard front sight gas block has been replaced whit anyone of the readily available low-profile gas blocks and most likely covered by the rail system or fore-grip.

Thank you...some one realized that it was still there. please remove the text stating it is not there from the main page -supertoaster

M4 Barrel

If anyone's still looking at this page, does it look to you like the M4 has a 16" barrel? It does to me. A perfectly straight 16" barrel (no M203 cuts) and the old style M4 stock. I believe that makes it exactly the same as the C8, which was mentioned as being what the SAS really use, so maybe the M4 in this game is really a C8. If anyone can counter this feel free.

You're right about the barrel, I think, but the C8 has a 14.5", not a 16". Furthermore, if you look at the rifle without any optics, it has an A2 style rear sight, while the C8's is A1 style.

The barrel looks longer because the front sight/gas block is removed when equipped with optics. If you take into account the length of the front sight, the barrel evens out at around 14.5 inches. The "standard" C8 has a 14.5 inch A1 profile barrel, but the C8FTHB (the version used by SAS under the designation L119A1) has a 16.1 inch barrel that bulges out where the M203 step is on an M4 barrel. Spartan198 18:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

The L119A1's the SFW, not the FTHB. Although in practice there's probably not much difference. The Wierd It 20:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh right, I forgot about the front sight being removed. Since you never have a carry handle in the SAS missions I wasn't counting that, and I was thinking SFW when I said C8.

Looks like the FTHB to me. L119A1 - [2] C8FTHB - [3] Spartan198 00:51, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The only difference is that the SFW has a stronger front sight to use the HK AG-C/L17A1 grenade launcher.The Wierd It 09:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Why would a stronger front sight be needed when the AG-C is RIS-mounted? Spartan198 18:44, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The 1911 in-game

The article is full of incorrect information. The MEU (SOC) pistol does have novak sights and a match grade trigger nowadays, and a Springfield Loaded model has front cocking serrations which the 1911 ingame does not. I don't see how it's anymore a Springfield Loaded than the other models the article lists it as not being. It seems obvious it's not any specific model of a 1911 but I'd say it's closer to the MEU (SOC) pistol than anything else. The MEU (SOC) pistol even uses desert tan gunner grips now that look just like the ones in the game.

Not that I disagree that the Springfield Armory Professional 1911 is the 1911 model in-game, but I think that there is a possibility that it might be a Nighthawk Custom Enforcer Series or GRP 1911. Why? Because the armed forces would likely use higher-ended companies like Nighthawk. Anyway, just a possibility. Any thoughts?

LINKS:

• http://www.nighthawktactical.com/The_Enforcer.html

• http://www.nighthawktactical.com/GRP.html

--User:Blemo 22:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

That's a negative. The Nighthawk Enforcer is basically a Kimber Warrior without the rail, and the rail wasn't the only thing that made the Kimber Warrior a misidentification. The Novak sights are different, and it has a flat top strap across the slide. As far as the military using "higher end companies" They usually buy what's most cost effective and not necessarily best quality, and since Nighthawk Custom makes.... custom firearms, I doubt they'd have a contract that would be cheap, or at least cheaper than competitors. It's still a Professional. --Yournamehere 02:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I see. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 06:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It definitly has those grips though, that was the first thing I noticed. It might not be an Enforcer, but it has the same grips. Here (in tan):

link: http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/detail.aspx?ID=133#

Oh and thanks Blemo for bringing this up anyway because I've been trying to put together an airsoft replica of this 1911 for a while, and now I've finally got those damn grips, couldn't find 'em anywhere. I also put together the M4 SOPMOD the S.A.S. use in game as my primary, which makes me Captain Price :D

EDIT: You guys think it could be this one, a Springfield Armory Loaded? Just add the grips I linked above, I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same otherwise.

http://www.bullshooterssupply.com/store/images/springfield_armory_1911_a1_px9109lp.jpg

EDIT 2: I used my not so amazing MS Paint skills to put this together for you guys (and me)

File:CaptainPriceSALoaded.JPG

Alex T Snow 06:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

It could be a customized Colt since the front sight does not seem to dovetailed into the slide--Jan 22:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the MS Paint image, Alex. =] Sadly, I'd hate to burst your bubble and say that the ejection port should not be as "shiny" as seen in this image. Plus, the coloration of the slide and frame should be darker. (although it may just be the lighting). --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 06:39, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I know, but the barrel, bushing, and trigger are some kind of "silver", whether it be stainless, chrome, nickel-plated, though I'd say stainless the point is those parts are "silver" Alex T Snow 22:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

although more likely for Special Ops to be using Nighthawk's i dont think the designers at infinity ward no what they are. and on the topic of it possibly being an Enforcer model. All Nighthawks have Novak Sights besides the Dominator. and the Grips are easily replacable. so it could be any model from the GRP to the Enforcer to the Talon. Dirtdiver6421 23:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Desert Eagles hammer down?

Isn't the Desert Eagles hammer incorrectly down?

Yes but so is the 1911's, and the rest once they've been fired. In the Modern Warfare universe all guns are double action only I guess. Alex T Snow 06:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

M4 In-Game For Airsofters (Or Real Steel Guys Too I Guess)

As with I'm sure a number of other people on this site, I airsoft. =D I've been working on a Captain Price kit for a little while, who, as you know, uses an M4 SOPMOD/Grenadier. The reason he uses both is because they're the same gun with and without the suppressor, for the sneaky and not sneaky parts. (And different optics, but his gun is probably supposed to have the same optics the whole time, I'd bet IW didn't want to make a different gun just for him, as most people wouldn't notice.) Because finding EVERYTHING to put together his M4 was a big pain, I'm going to put a list of parts here for anyone wanting to make the M4 and its versions in-game. This would also work for a real one too I would think, at least mostly. This is assuming the base gun is a normal, generic M4A1.

M4A1 "multiplayer":

• 16" HBAR (no grooves) barrel
• Old style stock
• RAS
• Vertical foregrip

(Please note this one can't be made using an electric airsoft M4, well, it can, but there'll be nowhere to put a battery. You will need a gas airsoft one or a real steel one.)

M4A1 "normal":

• 16" HBAR (no grooves) barrel
• Old style stock
• RAS
• Vertical foregrip
• PEQ-2 (on the front left)
• Tasco red dot scope
• The smallest gas block you can find

M4A1 Suppressed:

• Same as the M4A1 "normal" except with a suppressor (go figure)

M4A1 Grenadier:

• 16" HBAR (no grooves) barrel
• Old style stock
• RAS
• M203 (9" rail mounted version)
• M203 leaf sight (on the front top)
• PEQ-2 (on the front left)
• EOTech 552 holosight
• The smallest gas block you can find

M4A1 SOPMOD:

• Same as the M4 Grenadier except with a suppressor, and a Tasco QP22 reflex sight replacing the EOTech 552

For Captain Price's M4 I'm combining the Grenadier and SOPMOD by having a suppressor and an EOTech 552, seems like the easiest way to solve the problem.

I hope this list helps whoever needs it. :) Alex T Snow 08:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

The barrel on the M4 is 14.5". The missing FSP just makes it look longer. Spartan198 05:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

As much as everyone seems to think that, try putting a piece of paper up to your screen with the edge down the centre of the barrel of a 14.5" M4, a real one would be good. Mark off the back of the front sight/front of the RAS/Handguard, and, without moving it, mark where the flash hider starts. This distance will be the same as the length of the RAS/Handguard. Do the same thing to the COD4 M4 Info Picture and you'll find the barrel's longer. :) Alex T Snow 12:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

AKS-74

Misinformation - as it is not portrayed in game. Removing

How? It's pointed out that it is not in game and only on the poster. We have the Glock 17 on the Overkill and Last Stand perks, and the PPSh-41 that the statues hold, this isn't any different. Alex T Snow 22:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

G3A4

Someone commented that this was an HK91 due to the lack of a paddle release on the magazine. Here's a picture of a player reloading it:

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I don't see much here so what do you guys think? - Kenny99 16:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Don't see one, look at the create a class picture, no paddle release there either. --FIVETWOSEVEN 00:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Well the reload animation acts like it DOES have a paddle release, so it supposed to be a G3A4 but the animation forgot about it, just like the trigger and guard for the M203 Excalibur01 03:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems like a HK91 to me.--FIVETWOSEVEN 15:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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--Milkovich 20:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I saw that it is a HK91 even without looking at Milkovich's proof image. Missing paddle release can be seen on the image with tha reload on the page. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 02:01, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

The Javelin sight

I posted this on the CoD wiki initially, but only on a talk page since they don't feature RL weapon info. When you're looking through the Javelin's sight, the display behaves...oddly. The light on at the bottom is supposed to be red and indicates "missile BIT failure," according to the field manual. The red CLU BIT failure light comes on when it's locking on, and the amber "missile not ready" flashes just before you fire. I'm not sure if this is just normal behaviour or the FM on GlobalSecurity is wrong (I'd defer to anyone who's actually used one of these things for that) or if they just had lights come on at random for visual appeal. Vangelis 20:24, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

The M4A1

From Hitman: Contracts Talk page: "HOW the hell can the M4 in COD4:MW be an M4 if it has a 16" non-stepped barrel? I say that is an AR-15A3 with a full auto lower, if something like that can exist" (Stated by bozitojugg3rn4ut)

Does anyone else agree? I do. - Mr. Wolf 17:34, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

I'm thinking the AR-15A3 is the most likely, but at any rate, here are the differences between the COD4 M4A1 a real M4A1. 16" heavy barrel (non-stepped), M16A1 flash hider, original M4 stock, M16A1 pistol grip (in 3rd person, can't see it in 1st), and a KAC RIS. Also, being a civilian gun could explain why the selector is set to semi. Alex T Snow 20:10, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

But the M4A1 in MW2 and MW3 have their selector switches set to semi too. :\ - Mr. Wolf 22:02, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

Yeah... but there were so many other things in those games I just call that lazy. AUG with no rear sight... Alex T Snow 23:41, 24 September 2011 (CDT)

Which game? - Mr. Wolf 18:12, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

MW2's AUG has no rear sight, an aftermarket rail-mounted front sight, and a 30 round magazine that holds 42 rounds. Alex T Snow 20:02, 25 September 2011 (CDT)