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Talk:Insurgency: Sandstorm
Weapons Source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjGAe9nRRI James Dalcan (talk) 12:34, 23 February 2018 (EST)
- I have the closed alpha and it's a G36K, also there used to be an L85A2 and a genuine SVD. PKM lmg is also confirmed for insurgent faction. For sidearms, i noticed the Tariq (iraqi made Beretta 951) and the L105A1 (Sig P226), the Makarov returns as well.--Death Shadow20 (talk) 06:26, 5 March 2018 (EST)
- Please then edit the page with the correct or missing weapons. I do not have access to the closed alpha of the game (I was too late damn it!) so I can only base myself on the gameplays.--James Dalcan (talk)
- New World Interactive said that the closed alpha is now finished, can't access any PvE nor PvP options. Im off to work for a while thus will not have access to my computer and im afraid to screw things up if i use my phone...--Death Shadow20 (talk) 12:41, 10 March 2018 (EST)
Name update
It's Insurgency: Sandstorm, with a colon, if an admin would so kindly do the honors.--AgentGumby (talk) 22:07, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
February 28th update
5 new guns in this update:
PF940 - I guess Glock had its almonds activated over its gun being in the game
MG3 which has armour piercing rounds for some reason
M240B which also has AP rounds for some reason
(both weapons above use the same ammo as the M24, essentially making them full auto M24s in terms of penetration power and damage)
M249 has had its AP rounds removed, now loaded with ordinary 5.56 NATO
MP5A2 - MP5 variant for Insurgents
MP5A5 - MP5 variant for Security
--Edbods (talk) 20:07, 28 February 2019 (EST)
- Couple things to add here - the MP5A5 turns into an MP5SD6 when fitted with a suppressor (the A2 just gets a normal, non-integrated can instead), and the PF940 is accurately named - it's not named after a gun, but a kit. "PF940" is actually the name of a commercially-available (at least in the US, at any rate) incomplete polymer frame that can fit standard Glock parts (slides, magazines, trigger components, etc.) with a few cuts and holes; to make this easier, it comes with a bracket that has all the holes you need to drill lined up. The idea is that it lets you make your own gun (from a legal standpoint) instead of buying one, so you don't have to go through a dealer. As far as its appearance in-game, it's just like you said - a clever way of getting around Glock's anal-retentive legal team. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2019 (EST) P.S.: I also noticed that the M240B has an appropriate 50-round cloth ammo bag; when you upgrade it, that gets replaced with what I'm pretty sure is a cardboard box. Also, I've never heard the phrase "almonds activated" before, but I am definitely going to be using it from here on out. Thanks, Ed.
- Ahh, you beat me to the MP5SD6 - was going to add that to the MP5A5 bit in my first comment. I did google PF940 shortly after posting this but wasn't sure if it was a gun or a kit, thanks for clearing that up. And yeah, the M240 gets a nutsack mag as standard, but picking the extended mag option which costs 3 supply gives a 100 round cardboard box mag that, in first person view, is powered by anti gravity technology of unknown origin that allows it to float beside the receiver. The mounting bracket shows up correctly in the loadout menu however.
- As for activated almonds, it became a bit of a meme back in 2012 but I still use it because it always makes me giggle. For your reading pleasure. --Edbods (talk) 17:13, 2 March 2019 (EST)
Getting images
I'm gonna try to get to work getting images of the weapons. It might take a while. I really wish this game had a shooting range or something where you can mess around with the guns in peace... --PyramidHead (talk) 01:49, 1 March 2019 (EST)
- The new update is supposed to add a test range. You could also try empty servers or the Co-op ones.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:17, 1 March 2019 (EST)
- The shooting range is under tutorials in the main menu. Every gun you can get in the game, and every attachment too - try shooting the MG3 with a 7x scope while standing up lol. The developer menu also works here, so you can give yourself god mode and try to shoot down helicopters, or give yourself some of the unused weapons in the game like the L1A1 or MP5K (most of them are just placeholder models though, using models from the previous game etc). --Edbods (talk) 17:20, 2 March 2019 (EST)
- Well... that's useful! I'm starting to add images. Finished pistols and most of the SMGs already. --PyramidHead (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)
- By the way, if you wouldn’t mind, taking screencaps in another part of the range would help add some variety to the page.--AgentGumby (talk) 22:30, 5 March 2019 (EST)
- I already took all the screens of the pistols, SMGs, and assault rifles, but I'll shift myself around for everything else! --PyramidHead (talk) 13:19, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
- By the way, if you wouldn’t mind, taking screencaps in another part of the range would help add some variety to the page.--AgentGumby (talk) 22:30, 5 March 2019 (EST)
- Well... that's useful! I'm starting to add images. Finished pistols and most of the SMGs already. --PyramidHead (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)
- The shooting range is under tutorials in the main menu. Every gun you can get in the game, and every attachment too - try shooting the MG3 with a 7x scope while standing up lol. The developer menu also works here, so you can give yourself god mode and try to shoot down helicopters, or give yourself some of the unused weapons in the game like the L1A1 or MP5K (most of them are just placeholder models though, using models from the previous game etc). --Edbods (talk) 17:20, 2 March 2019 (EST)
May 24th patch
M82A1 CQ and Chinese M99 added. Highly impractical, but goddamn they're so satisfying to use. --Edbods (talk) 07:03, 27 May 2019 (EDT)
Is that everything?
Well, guys, we all did some good work getting nice screens of all the weapons. I would say this page is done. What do you all think? --PyramidHead (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
- Hate to be the turd in the punchbowl here, but what about the grenades? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:05, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
- I believe they added the Browning M2 for Security technicals, and then there’s the Miniguns, M230 Chain Gun, and GAU-8 on the Security’s fire support aircraft. --AgentGumby (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
- I totally forgot about the nades. Can you even see the weapons mounted on Security's aircraft? --PyramidHead (talk) 01:54, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I mean, if some of them can be shot down by unguided launchers, then probably. Plus, even then, we still usually cover guns on aircraft that you can't actually see; their existence is more or less just implied from the context and their effects. I mean, half of the entries for aircraft-mounted autocannons consist of screenshots of small, dark ports in the plane's skin, with everyone just sorta assuming that there's supposed to be a gun in there somewhere because there should be. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:22, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- Is identifying guns by assumption really a good idea? It is entirely possible that a game's plane models might entirely lack models of guns of any kind, and the gunshots just emit from the plane's body. If we identify guns entirely by assuming that "a gun should be there because that's what should've been there on the plane", then what about movies where they use planes without guns to stand in for planes with guns? Do we still identify the presence of guns even though there are no guns period? --Wuzh (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- Exactly, I don't think it's a good idea to add entries for such weapons, unless they are confirmed to have in-game models. If they do, then sure, but if they don't, you could potentially make a trivia point about them or something like that if it's necessary. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I'm not necessarily saying that it's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's how it's normally done - look at, say, Battlefield 2 as an example. Several aircraft-mounted guns there are little more than small black cylinders sticking out of a wing, and some (like the Type 23-2K, or the GSh-30-1) are quite literally nothing more than firing ports. The same could be said for things like the M231 FPWs in Project Reality - you can fire them, and they make the same sounds as the game's M16 rifles, but all you ever see of them are the holes in the back of a Bradley. If you think we shouldn't include them, then that's fine, but we should probably take another look at some other things. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I ever took some in-game screenshots with Nvidia Ansel via GeForce Experience in the replays and there are several modeled mounted guns like GAU-19 in Blackhawk AKA "Cleric" which also eject the spent cartridges and oddly enough DShK machine gun in Apache AKA "Assassin" mocked up as M230 Chain gun in the game, although it's a bit difficult with some bugs like the mouse cursor suddenly disappears after taking the screenshot with Ansel, but nonetheless the mounted guns are actually being modeled in-game. AgentHotel (talk) 04:15, 14 August 2019 (EDT)
- I'm not necessarily saying that it's a good thing, I'm just saying that that's how it's normally done - look at, say, Battlefield 2 as an example. Several aircraft-mounted guns there are little more than small black cylinders sticking out of a wing, and some (like the Type 23-2K, or the GSh-30-1) are quite literally nothing more than firing ports. The same could be said for things like the M231 FPWs in Project Reality - you can fire them, and they make the same sounds as the game's M16 rifles, but all you ever see of them are the holes in the back of a Bradley. If you think we shouldn't include them, then that's fine, but we should probably take another look at some other things. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 13:16, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- Exactly, I don't think it's a good idea to add entries for such weapons, unless they are confirmed to have in-game models. If they do, then sure, but if they don't, you could potentially make a trivia point about them or something like that if it's necessary. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:30, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- Is identifying guns by assumption really a good idea? It is entirely possible that a game's plane models might entirely lack models of guns of any kind, and the gunshots just emit from the plane's body. If we identify guns entirely by assuming that "a gun should be there because that's what should've been there on the plane", then what about movies where they use planes without guns to stand in for planes with guns? Do we still identify the presence of guns even though there are no guns period? --Wuzh (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I mean, if some of them can be shot down by unguided launchers, then probably. Plus, even then, we still usually cover guns on aircraft that you can't actually see; their existence is more or less just implied from the context and their effects. I mean, half of the entries for aircraft-mounted autocannons consist of screenshots of small, dark ports in the plane's skin, with everyone just sorta assuming that there's supposed to be a gun in there somewhere because there should be. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:22, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I totally forgot about the nades. Can you even see the weapons mounted on Security's aircraft? --PyramidHead (talk) 01:54, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
- I believe they added the Browning M2 for Security technicals, and then there’s the Miniguns, M230 Chain Gun, and GAU-8 on the Security’s fire support aircraft. --AgentGumby (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Boy, have I opened a can of worms on this one. In the case of Sandstorm, these aircraft guns are externally mounted and should be readily visible; though I don’t have the game but I’d imagine you could see them in a free cam spectator mode or through a 4x/sniper scope. I think this discussion should probably be had on a more aircraft-centric game, like Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown.--AgentGumby (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
M2HB, GAU-19, some overhaul & correction
So, I managed to get some screenshots of mounted guns via Steam & Nvidia Ansel. Actually, the in-game M1911 is A1 variant due to the aforementioned attributes in there. I may provide some more screenshots of gun images in loadout menu in order to get better view of the gun models like attributes of in-game M1911A1. If someone asks about the GAU-8 on A-10 Warthog (AKA "Warlock"), I'm not sure if its model is good enough for the page due to the relatively blurry model in there. Last but not least, I wonder if images for the upcoming guns from Steam & Twitter pages are allowed to be used due to the copyright reason. If somebody can add / revise some information in there, then that'd be appreciated. AgentHotel (talk) 05:21, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
- I'd say that the model images are a good idea (I was the one who initially said that the M1911 wasn't an A1, because I couldn't see a curved backstrap, and could see the diamond-panel grips - having the loadout image would make the distinction a lot clearer). And sure, if new weapons are officially revealed, then it's perfectly fine to put them on the page. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:14, 16 August 2019 (EDT) P.S.: So, apparently we're getting a Galil ARM, a Tavor 7 (would this be its first media appearance?) and an AS Val, plus more, which I think is quite interesting.
- Just finished including loadout images for pistols. After checking the loadout menu image of M1911, I can confirm it's the A1 variant due to the associated attributes in there. Yeah, the upcoming guns are going to make gameplay even more interesting despite the devs haven't announced the counterparts yet. Also, I guess that I'm clear for uploading new officially revealed weapons as long as I cite the images in the descriptions like "Courtesy to ...". AgentHotel (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
- Yep, that's the stuff. I kinda did the same thing on the PUBG page, adding the official teaser screenshots with a caption like "An officially-released render of the [GUN NAME], courtesy of the game's Twitter page."; if you want, you can make "the game's Twitter page" into a link, though it's not necessarily required. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:43, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
- Just added AGM-114 Hellfire for Assassin and corrected M24 into the proper in-game 7.62x51mm NATO variant. Beforehand I noticed that VHS-2 can use its own UBGL which I don't think has ever been in any media appearance yet. If somebody can provide copyright-safe images for the UBGL and Tavor 7 (Considering I'm not living in US / Europe), then that'd be much appreciated. I may provide the GAU-8 Avenger later on due the replay history just got entirely wiped out after the recent hotfix. AgentHotel (talk) 06:08, 17 August 2019 (EDT)
- Yep, that's the stuff. I kinda did the same thing on the PUBG page, adding the official teaser screenshots with a caption like "An officially-released render of the [GUN NAME], courtesy of the game's Twitter page."; if you want, you can make "the game's Twitter page" into a link, though it's not necessarily required. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 14:43, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
- Just finished including loadout images for pistols. After checking the loadout menu image of M1911, I can confirm it's the A1 variant due to the associated attributes in there. Yeah, the upcoming guns are going to make gameplay even more interesting despite the devs haven't announced the counterparts yet. Also, I guess that I'm clear for uploading new officially revealed weapons as long as I cite the images in the descriptions like "Courtesy to ...". AgentHotel (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2019 (EDT)
Just something else to point out: A CTE just dropped, with the new Sinjar map variant, and the two new Galils. If anyone feels like taking some screenshots of the latter, now'd be a good time. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:07, 22 August 2019 (EDT)
- I think that it's better to wait until the update has come due to the tentative nature of CTE, like the Galil SAR will have bipod on default to balance with Galil ARM for Insurgents & the cost for both of them may be reduced from 3 supply points into 2 supply points (The sources for possible changes came from Steam discussions & subreddits by the devs). Also, there's a CTE mark on the top left which will persist if someone's going to take some screenshots in there. AgentHotel (talk) 11:43, 23 August 2019 (EDT)
- Fair enough, I wasn't aware of the CTE watermark. I appreciate the input. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 12:42, 23 August 2019 (EDT)
Return of Galils, additions of grenades & some additional notes
Just included the Galils & most grenades. UBGLs, landmines & C-4 are yet to be included. However, I wasn't able to find real-life images for couple of explosives like C-4 & M19 landmine, plus I'm not sure if the UBGLs like M203 are mockups just like in the previous game. If somebody can help me to include the real-life images of both of them & identifying the UBGLs, then that'd be appreciated. Also, when I was closely inspecting the gun models in the loadout menu with Nvidia Ansel from GeForce Experience, I noticed that there're several interesting markings in there like Alpha AK with "Patented U.S.A. Made" & "AK-104-A" markings at the receiver, while the others have official manufacturer markings like MP5, AR rifles & such. If people don't mind for me to insert the images of explosives right here as the placeholders, then I can place the screenshots for further identification. AgentHotel (talk) 11:54, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
About MP5A5
I just noticed that the in-game model has an F-type stock. Considering that it also got a A5 trigger group, does this make it a MP5F or just an MP5A5 with MP5F stock? Lunar Watcher (talk) 02:45, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Operation: Breakaway
In the latest update apparently some elements of Security forces went rogue & joined the Insurgents, complete with new firearms & attachments like AUG A3 & FAMAS F1. However, there're few things to point out in this update while I've to drop the screenshots at here first before proceeding.
- M26 MASS has higher effective range & is Security-exclusive which costs 3 supply points for M16A4, M4 & AUG. However, it's incompatible with drum mags (Also applies for Masterkey).
- Masterkey has faster cycling rate & shared by both teams which costs 4 supply points for FAMAS, AR-platforms & AK-platforms (Riflemen's assault rifles). When being attached in FAMAS, the shooter uses his middle finger to fire it. The adaptor for attaching in M16A2 is heat shield handguard just like for M203 UBGL.
- The GP-25 can be turned into makeshift underbarrel shotgun called "Buckshot Launcher" with improvised 40mm buckshot shells (Not sure if it's actually possible IRL) for 2 supply points.
- The switching fire mode in FAMAS has the shooter first switches from full-auto into 3-round burst with the rear selector (For switching 3-round burst / full-auto) & then uses safety near the trigger when switching into semi-auto which is correctly depicted. However, when reverting back from semi-auto into full-auto, the shooter only switches the safety near the trigger without switching the rear selector again for reverting into full-auto which technically means that it's still set in 3-round burst.
- AUG has access to GL 40 UBGL (Requires a new page for it), two kinds of unique scopes (A1 in 1.5x & A3 in 3x) & 42-round extended mags for extra supply points. The animation of switching fire mode is similar to FAMAS by having the shooter manipulate the nonexistent safety with his trigger finger while also has identical ammo checking animation like G36K due to using transparent mags.
- The new cosmetics reveals have the characters armed while wearing uniform based on real spec ops units. The Urban Warden set is inspired by German SEK & Danish Special Forces, while the 'Rogue Spec Ops' & 'Rogue Cop' sets are based off Iraqi Special Operations Forces & Iraqi Federal Police respectively.
If people don't mind toward significant amount of new screenshots (Especially for one particular firearm) & can help me sorting these out, then that'd be appreciated. P.S. The official screenshots of GP-25, M26 MASS & Masterkey were taken from the Sandstorm Steam Update 1.8 Operation: Breakaway page while the rest were from the Sandstorm Twitter page instead. AgentHotel (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2020 (EDT)
