Talk:Firefly: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Firefly: Difference between revisions
:#1 isn't the HK770, #3 is. If you look at the first image you can see the folding HK770 charging handle on the right side of #3 so that is deffinite, whereas #1 is deffinitely not in the same Choate stock so if it is an HK770, it is an entirely different custom one. I think the custom HK770 has a slip over suppressor that can be seen on the burn notice page, but is absent in the shot where it is aiming out the window, however the fluted barrel shroud over the rear half of the barrel is still there. It looks like the suppressor is fitted when it is laying on the bed though. Not sure what #1 is, from the triangular shape of the handguard I was originally thinking a PSG-1, however the barrel axis is too high leaving no room for the cocking tube. As for #9, my guess is a [[Browning BDA]] but not sure about that one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:52, 12 November 2013 (EST)
:#1 isn't the HK770, #3 is. If you look at the first image you can see the folding HK770 charging handle on the right side of #3 so that is deffinite, whereas #1 is deffinitely not in the same Choate stock so if it is an HK770, it is an entirely different custom one. I think the custom HK770 has a slip over suppressor that can be seen on the burn notice page, but is absent in the shot where it is aiming out the window, however the fluted barrel shroud over the rear half of the barrel is still there. It looks like the suppressor is fitted when it is laying on the bed though. Not sure what #1 is, from the triangular shape of the handguard I was originally thinking a PSG-1, however the barrel axis is too high leaving no room for the cocking tube. As for #9, my guess is a [[Browning BDA]] but not sure about that one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:52, 12 November 2013 (EST)
::Number 1 looks a lot like the second image above, where the muzzle is poking out of the window. As for #9 on the bed, I noticed that nearly all of the guns had shown up in earlier episodes, so I assumed it was the BHP from "Out of Gas." As for the #9 I was referring to, see below: --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image: Firefly_0101_stash_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|1) [[AKMSU]], 2) [[Colt Dragoon]], 3) [[American Derringer Model 1]], 4) [[Heckler & Koch SL8]], 5) [[Tru Flite 37mm Super Long Range Gas Gun]], 6) LaserAim Series III, 7) [[Single Action Army]] "Quick-Draw", 8) Magnum Research Lone Eagle w/ custom barrel shroud, 9) ? , 10) [[Claridge Hi-Tec]] w/ barrel extension, 11) [[COP 357 Derringer]], from "Serenity" (S01E01).]]
The federal officers that arrest Jayne, Simon and River in "Ariel" (S01E09) are armed with sonic stun guns (?). I figure I'd throw them in for the sake of completion. Any ideas as to what they're made from? --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
I just got the entire season and I'll be working on this in the next week or so Excalibur01 09:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that the "Ambulance shutle" in Ariel is.. An Mi-24 HIND?
Those were the fiberglass HIND drones that a defense company made in Florida with the intention of selling them or leasing them to the Dept of Defense for training purposes. They were RC controlled FULL SIZED drones of the HIND-D model. They were awesome, but the sudden END of the Cold War eliminated the DOD's interest in them as training tools. The Company went under and a few of the fiberglass models were purchased by Movie Props houses. There was an article in Soldier of Fortune about these very same fake Hind replicas. MoviePropMaster2008 15:38, 19 May 2012 (CDT)
ZOE “Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?”
BOOK “Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.”
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L85s?
Is it actually possible to tell if the Alliance rifles are A1 or A2 models? Because I seem to recall that the ones in "The Train Job" had no charging handle at all, which is usually the easiest wat to tell the two apart. The Wierd It 21:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's possible those could be Airsoft replicas. Excalibur01 14:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Whilst it's more than likely that these L85s are Airsoft replicas, there are ways to tell apart A1 and the orrigional A2s (The A2 has since had 2 futher upgrades and is going through another)
The mag-release catch on A2s has a metal cover around it. The safety is more prominant on the A2, and the trigger has a slight re-design.
However - due to the date the show was made - these are A1s. No-one made airsoft A2s at this point, because the British armed forces were only just getting the real things back from H&K. User:195.93.21.8
Janes Shotgun
Why is Jaynes shotgun somewhat famous? Am i being a moron cus i dont know what else it is from? Im on about the Ithica.--Captain Snikt 03:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Unknown Revolver
Anyone know what the revolver on the right of this picture is? It appears to be break-open, and the barrel doesn't seem angular enough to be a Webley or Enfield. A Schofield of some type maybe? I'm not too good with revolvers.
It's large, so I would say Webley Mk VI MoviePropMaster2008 18:44, 19 May 2012 (CDT)
Mals gun
Mals gun is call a "Moses Brothers Self-Defense Engine Frontier Model B" in-universe. Also i Think that name is a mouthfull
That name was given to the gun after the movie by the now defunct prop company that created a licensed replica. QMX. The prop handlers who built the gun called it the oil can gun.
QMX is still trading.
Just changed the image on the page from the Serenity gun back to the firefly version.
Para-Ordnance P-10
I removed this one entirely and moved the pics to the Colt Mustang section, no offense intended to anyone, because the weapon is clearly the Mustang. --Charon68 23:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank You. (I got tripped up because the article's reference photo shows the 'Government 380 ACP' w/caption 'Colt Mustang 380 ACP'). JimK
I keep seeing this attribution, but I don't think it's accurate. I've seen ABC fairly recently, and can't recall Lord Bowler carrying anything other than an SAA and his preferred weapon, a pistolized side-by-side shotgun. The only mare's leg I remember seeing was used by the female bounty hunter, Crystal Hawks, in the episode of the same name.
I've been watching the episodes recently to try and find where the Mare's Leg was used and Lord Bowler only used the sawed off shotgun as his preferred weapon. --Ben41 02:25, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
SMG used in "Out of Gas"
It isn't an MP40. It's a Belgian Vigneron M2. The longer barrel, front sight, and wire stock by the ejection port give it away. All it takes is just a few more minutes of research... Cozmo 14:47, 18 March 2011 (CDT)
AC556
One of the robbers at the beginning of the episode "Our Mrs. Reynolds" has a Ruger AC556. He strafes the front of the wagon that Mal and Jayne are driving, while disguised as villagers. Don't have the DVD so I can't cap it. MoviePropMaster2008 04:40, 24 October 2011 (CDT)
You mean this one? I'm horrible at this wiki stuff, so I won't make an ass of myself by attempting to add it to the page. The Kaptain 22:49, 24 October 2011 (CDT)
Not sure about that, bushing looks wrong for a .45 S&W, either 2nd or 3rd gen. Also the sights are not the adjustable S&W ones, and look like they are too far back for fixed ones. The slide markings with what looks like that round logo are wrong for a S&W, and the slide is also too long for a stock 4506. Although it looks like there is a slide safety, I think that may be an optical illusion as there also appears to be a 1911 style frame safety. My guess is some kind of AMT, but not sure. --commando552 (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2013 (EDT)
More unknowns
It bothers me a bit that I've only seen one episode and yet I still came across three undocumented guns (these two plus the S&W 629 PC.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Jayne's revolver is his LeMat revolver that he uses throughout the series. And the gun on top appears to be a double-barrel shotgun. --Mormonpowerranger521 2:19, 1 June 2013 (MST)
It looks a bit short to be a S&W 629 PC. And it looks a lot shorter than Jayne's LeMat. Thanks for the carbine ID. I knew it looked familiar. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:29, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
I can't really tell the length as it is pretty much head on. I was going by how the front of it looks with that open chamber underneath the barrel to the other pic of the 629 PC, and to me they looked similar. However, on looking at it on a petter computer screen, I think it may be the LeMat as well. It looks like it has a large unfluted cylinder with more chambers than a typical 6 round revolver, and I also think I can see that rib they have put over the barrel. Triger guard also looks like a match for the LeMat. Also, I know that IMDB lists the episodes in this order, but I think we should list them in the intended order rather than the bastardised FOX one. Firstly, the FOX order that IMDB uses makes no sense, with episodes being shuffled around all over the place. I'm gonna guess that 99% of people who have seen Firefly have seen it in DVD form rather than when it originally aired, so I think we should use the real order that is on the DVDs (how it is listed on Wikipedia). Or do VOD providers use the original FOX order as well? Because if so that is ridiculous. --commando552 (talk) 06:33, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Yes, I struggled with that too. The discs don't bother reshuffling episodes, they just have them in air order. As for the pistol, I'll just keep an eye out. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:08, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Are you capping it from a bluray with the episodes in the aired by FOX order then? That surprises me, my British Bluray has them in the intended order, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. --commando552 (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
It's the Region A Blu-Rays. I'll check again. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Looks like you're right. Whoops. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Ruger MkIII, Jericho 941 w/ a stainless finish, some FABARM shotgun, I think that the closest handgun is a Springfield XD, one of his many shotguns is a Winchester 1300.
The farthest gun, based on the muzzle break thing looks like VERA to me. The closest gun, to me, looks like a Ruger semi-auto. A p-89 maybe. I also see a Ithaca stakeout with a pistol grip in there.
My guess on these closest to farthest is a Browning BDA, two tone Jericho 941, Ruger Mk III, FABARM FP6, Mossberg 590 mariner with a top folding stockm Winchester 1200/1300, the Savage in the Choate stock, Vera, and then I guess the one against the wall is the Ithaca he uses. Where do you see the stakeout? --commando552 (talk) 05:12, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Wildey Magnum, a Mossberg Persuader of some sort, A Blaser R93, 37mm Tru-Flite Police Tear Gas Gun appears again in the centre, I think I see a Smith and Wesson 629 Performance Center model,
I don't think that is a Blaser, I think it is a Ruger 10/22 in a custom stock (a "Zero Shark" I think). There is also the Goncz pistol and carbine in there, along with a Magnum Research Lone Eagle (the kind with no handguard) that is fitted with some kind of boxy barrel shroud. I think the bottom pistol that is mostly cut off could be a Smith & Wesson 4563, but not sure. --commando552 (talk) 05:35, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
On second look, I don't think that is the Goncz pistol seen in another episode, but rather a Claridge Hi-Tec with a non-finned muzzle extension. --commando552 (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
In the heart of gold episode I believe I saw one of the brothel wielding a Winchester 100 for a brief second when they fired there first volley can anyone id?--Balin21 (talk) 05:19, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
I was wrong its not a Winchester 100 its some sort of shotgun can anyone ID?--Balin21 (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm almost halfway through. I'll get a BD screenshot in a week or two. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Okay thanks I'm just trying to help.--Balin21 (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Is hard to tell with that lighting, but from the rounded back to the ejection port and the shape of the trigger guard, I would guess that it is an 870.--commando552 (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Unknowns from "Bushwhacked."
I found two unknowns in "Bushwhacked" (S01E03). --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Jayne loads an unknown revolver before he and Simon go aboard the derelict. It's not his LeMat, since there's a swing-open cylinder. Rossi Model 971?
Commander Harken's (Doug Savant) two-tone Beretta turns into another pistol in a continuity error. At first I thought it was a Jericho 941, but the barrel looks wrong.
is that Magnum Research Lone Eagle with a cosmetic barrel shorud.
is a modern derringer repro, my guess is an American Derringer Model 1
is a Tru Flite
is a LaserAim Series III
is a SAA "Quick-Draw"
is an AKMSU (I think, looks like the mag is too curved for a 5.45x39mm)
is a COP 357 Derringer
Also, did you spot the Sterling with the forward pistol pistol grip on the far right? You can just make out the magazine well and pistol grip to the right of the SAA. --commando552 (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
The LaserAim looks like a stunt prop. I thought it might be a Sterling too, but this was the best shot I could get. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:27, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Ugh
Really, they couldn't hire ONE Mandarin dialect coach? This is painful. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
Yeah, the throwaway "foreign" language lines in most tv/films are agonizingly bad. Phonetics and basic grammar are only part of the equation, inflection is super important. The few lines of Russian in Boondock Saints were torture to hear. I imagine with a tonal language the potential for messing up is exponentially greater. --Ruzhyo (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
A lot of it is just single words too, not whole sentences. Like in "Shindig," where both Inara and her date say "gou shi," (literally, "dog shit") and they both mangle it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:48, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
I remember hearing Joss Whedon talk about it once saying they just did straight word replacement from a dictionary rather than actually getting in a Chinese speaking person. However, he then said that it could kind of be justified as in real life it would just be the bastardised versions of swear words and phrases that might be picked up by people and transformed over time. --commando552 (talk) 17:58, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
The odd thing is, the Chinese life support warning in "Out of Gas" sounds like it's Cantonese. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
Unknown from "Jaynestown"
Jayne is seen taping some sort of pistol to his abdomen in "Jaynestown." It's got a grip like a revolver, but that's about it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I have seen replicas of this particular gun in the past, and it is supposedly an all plastic "Holdout" pistol suggesting it is a totally fabricated prop rather than having a gun underneath. Here is a picture of it. TBH, it seems odd that they went to the effort of fabricating a weapon for the second of screentime it got when it just as easily could have been any other sub-compact pistol, so my guess is that it may have been a pre-existing prop that they just appropriated. Also, I think the grips are Pachmayr ones for a J-frame S&W. --commando552 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I have grips like that for my faux-DS. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:33, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I think they use basically the same grip of r few different guns, but from searching I think these specific ones were for a small frame Rossi. --commando552 (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Do you know if it shows up again in the remaining episodes? If it does, we might as well wait until it shows up again and I can get a better shot of it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I think it is only in Jaynestown, and specifically only in this scene. I think a similar pistol may be used by Jubal Early in "Objects in Space", but am not sure as haven't seen these in a while. --commando552 (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm 99% that those bullpup Mini-14s with the foregrip and scope were originally used in the the 1995 Tank Girl movie staring Lori Petty. They were the standard rifle for the Water and Power troops--Mandolin (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
Uniform trivia
In the pilot, the Alliance troops are wearing German stahlhelms. It appears they didn't get their hands on those surplus Starship Troopers uniforms until the second pilot. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
One of Niska's henchmen from "War Stories" is armed with an unknown shotgun. I can't even tell if it's supposed to be a pump or an automatic. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Based on the sharp corner at the rear of the receiver and the perforated heat shield around the barrel I would guess it is the same FABARM that is in Jayne's collection. --commando552 (talk) 16:59, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Oh, there it is. I hadn't come across that episode yet. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:11, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Table of grenades
I THINK the black ones are M67s. I think there are M18s in there as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)
There are two pairs of Sting-Ball type grenades on the table (possibly another in the top left but too shadowy), the ones that have the spherical body with the black band with white writing around the middle. I think the one on the right is a CTS Sting-Ball, but the others have the fuse attaching with a metal collar and lack the honeycomb part around it so they are something else, possibly Han-Ball CS grenades. --commando552 (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Oh, I had assumed they were just M67s. They're used as frags in the episode. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Or someone familiar with Chinese cuisine, I guess. The can of beans that Tracey eats in the flashback at the beginning of "The Message" appears to be bean sauce. My mom uses it to make zhajianmiang. It's not something you'd want to eat out of the can. If you want to try anyway, this brand should be available in most Asian grocery stores. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:33, 8 November 2013 (EST)
I don't think Jayne's sniper rifle in "Heart of Gold" is a Savage 10FP in a Choate stock. Look at the third image, and how far ahead of the trigger the magazine is. I think this is some sort of semi-automatic rifle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2013 (EST)
Fendris (Tod Nakamura), one of Womack's men, is armed with what appears to be a custom M1911 in "The Message." Is there a name for this model, or should I just call it a "Custom M1911?" --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2013 (EST)
Jayne has what appears to be some sort of grenade launcher in his arsenal in "Heart of Gold." I don't think it's the TruFlite flare launcher he had in the pilot. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2013 (EST)
Any ideas for #9 on the first one and #3 on the third one? Apologies for the small size of the numbers, I didn't take into account how large the image was. If you look at the full sized image they show up fine. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Regarding the third image, have we been assuming that #1 and #3 are the same gun? It's entirely possible that they used two different guns, since one of them is only seen in the exterior shot. #3 appears to have the folding cocking handle of the HK770. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:54, 12 November 2013 (EST)
1 isn't the HK770, #3 is. If you look at the first image you can see the folding HK770 charging handle on the right side of #3 so that is deffinite, whereas #1 is deffinitely not in the same Choate stock so if it is an HK770, it is an entirely different custom one. I think the custom HK770 has a slip over suppressor that can be seen on the burn notice page, but is absent in the shot where it is aiming out the window, however the fluted barrel shroud over the rear half of the barrel is still there. It looks like the suppressor is fitted when it is laying on the bed though. Not sure what #1 is, from the triangular shape of the handguard I was originally thinking a PSG-1, however the barrel axis is too high leaving no room for the cocking tube. As for #9, my guess is a Browning BDA but not sure about that one. --commando552 (talk) 15:52, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Number 1 looks a lot like the second image above, where the muzzle is poking out of the window. As for #9 on the bed, I noticed that nearly all of the guns had shown up in earlier episodes, so I assumed it was the BHP from "Out of Gas." As for the #9 I was referring to, see below: --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (EST)
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