Talk:AK-47: Difference between revisions
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Okay, what is it with the M22 designation for the Norinco Type 56? Was the weapon adopted by the US military, or is the name just an importer's nickname for the rifle? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 14:17, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
Okay, what is it with the M22 designation for the Norinco Type 56? Was the weapon adopted by the US military, or is the name just an importer's nickname for the rifle? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 14:17, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
:It isn't an importers nickname, but is a designation applied to it by the Chinese themselves. The M22 was an export version of the Type 56 with a milled receiver and that lacked the spike bayonet. It wasn't a civillian rifle and had a semi/full selector (marked L and D, anyone know what this means?), although numbers of them have been neutered and turned into civillian rifles like milled receiver MAK-90s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:07, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
:It isn't an importers nickname, but is a designation applied to it by the Chinese themselves. The M22 was an export version of the Type 56 with a milled receiver and that lacked the spike bayonet. It wasn't a civillian rifle and had a semi/full selector (marked L and D, anyone know what this means?), although numbers of them have been neutered and turned into civillian rifles like milled receiver MAK-90s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:07, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
:::Thanks for the info, this was buggin me for a while... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 17:09, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
Since members get confused by some of the other (usually customized) variants made for movies, we should store the images here, so that all members can easily find a variant that they've seen in a movie or tv show. Note: These do NOT belong on the main AK-47 page because they are customized guns for films and not indicative of any 'production gun'. They are stored here for viewing and usage on movie pages that require them.
Well thanks to LUMPY, we now know the make and model of the mystery AKs in Casino Royale and Sahara (2005). It's an obscure FEG Hungarian AK variant that was exported to Europe during the 1980s, which is why Sasha Robey has them and We don't. MoviePropMaster2008 00:26, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
Looks like someone took the Type 84S from Hollow Point and added some wierd-looking muzzle brake and bleached the furniture. Orca1 9904 05:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
AKMSU
The AKMSU SMG has been produced by the USSR from 1975 to 1979 ans distributed to special forces and paratroopers, but they were in many cases too hard to handle to be used effectively, so many were scrapped. In 1979 they were replaced by the AKS74U and the remaining guns were shipped to allied countries like Iraq. Very hard to find, hollywood armories usually carry foreign copys (From Zastava) or mock-ups made with parts of AKS74Us. Standard AKMSU has a forward grip and under-folding stock.
Info source please? As far as i know AKMSU was never mass-produced by USSR. It was abandoned because of obvious problems -- too short barrel that resulted in unsatisfactory bullet ballistics and quick overheating.
The comment above stretched the page quite a bit to the right. I edited to fix that. Spartan198 19:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
AKMSU 7.62 never produced in the USSR. It is not in any Soviet or Russian book about the Kalashnikov weapons. This weapon is clearly a foreign design Slow Rider 09:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
It was a project for special forces, tankers and that sort of thing. It was cancelled I believe, because the authorities in question felt that the shortened barrel would degrade ballistic performance, the shortened gas system would cause heating issues and the light weight would make the recoil uncontrollable. Odd given that they approved the AKSU-74 later, but all points aside, there were Russian 7.62x39mm assault carbines back then. It just never went into production.
I beg to differ, I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a reliable source, but Russian Wikipedia has a page on the SOVIET-produced AKMSU. My Russian is still rudimentary (I'm learning), and I wouldn't trust Google Translate that much, but it pretty much says what the first post here says, except that it was produced in 1959, a whopping 20 years before the 74U! The only reason I'm trusting its existence is because I've seen the gun in the pictures there before. I'm dead certain it's never been featured in any media, but it's worth mentioning here. If anything, that unique pre-AKS-74U flash hider is very interesting. Sources: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9C%D0%A1%D0%A3http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000570/570186.jpgGreveSparf 22:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The wiki page says it was developed, but never went into production. The book doesn't say anything about production, just details the specs. Sentient6 12:14, 15 April 2012 (CDT)
I too have long been curious about the providence of this design and at first thought it was an airsoft industry fantasy. However other sources around the web and it's article on Wikipedia claims either the AKMSU was a prototype weapon designed and tested in the USSR but never produced further (instead later filling the niche with the AKMS-74U) AND/OR a firearm that matches the description of the AMSU is a crude, Pakistan frontier gunsmith invention. Are there any good refrences or sources as to how the concept came about? Also the entry on this page for the small "Krinkov" states other nations like Yugoslavia made their own weapons matching the description. Is this a reference to the Zastava M92? Maphisto86 (talk) 00:28, 18 November 2012 (EST)
East German AKs
Should we have a section for the Mpi-KMS or any East German AK variants because I saw them in Hotel Rwanda and The Hurt Locker, I have no more info because I am new to this site
Yes, but be sure they really are NVA (East German) AKs. MoviePropMaster2008 02:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Zastava M70AB2
I got the picture of the Zastava M70AB2 with standard black pistol grip, should I post it on the main page or keep it here?
I went ahead and added it, and kept the "Mitchell Arms" version on there as well, since it shows a version that'd likely appear in American productions featuring the weapon. Orca1 9904 06:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
It looks more like a typical M4 stock to me. Spartan198 21:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
So what? Vltor Modstock sounds cooler.
I don't care what "sounds cooler". It's a regular M4 stock, not a Vltor Modstock. Spartan198 21:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Whatever you want to call it the thing looks revolting. Anyone who tries to "tacticool" an AK should be shot in the face by a true AK. --cool-breeze 22:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Homicidal much? Spartan198 23:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
anyone know what kind of muzzle brake/flash hider that is--Anarchy66660 21:40, 15 March 2012 (CDT)
AK-101, AK-102, AK-103 etc.
Shouldn't all "black AKs" be in the AK-74 page?
They are just AK-74M in different calibres, and they have AK-74M style muzzle brake and plastic side-folding buttstock.
Draco Pistol
Should we make a section for the Romanian Draco Pistol on the AK-47 page or does it get its own article? Please tell me.
Unless it has been seen in a film then it does not get a mention. If it is a 7.62X39mm AK pistol then yes it goes on this page. Rockwolf66 19:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Hungarian AK
Isn't the Hungarian FEG AK-63 considered a gun that is not custom? It was made in Hungary, but the company that made it has gone bankrupt and is defunct now. Shouldn't the AK-63 get it's own section?
The Cold War
Although weapons from Warsaw pact nations were banned from importation to the US during the Cold War. Did any criminals tried smuggling them into the US?
What would be the point? Criminals aren't gun collectors. They only want guns they can buy for criminal purposes. An AK from China shoots just a good as a real AK from Russia. I suppose Individual weapons WERE brought in during the embargo and were found at crime scenes. In California a North Korean Silenced PPS-43 was found at a drug dealer's house but that could have been a 'not amnesty' pre 68 bringback from Nam or Korea.
But that was recent. The OP is referring to during the Cold War. Spartan198 (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
Villan weapon
While I understand the reasons for doing so, I still belive these weapons get a bad deal from Hollywood which always casts them as the "Bad Guy's Gun" even though many nations and rebel groups supported by the U.S. have also used Kalashnikovs.
I think it's because in the real world AKs are the most obtainable assault rifle. It stands to reason that most villains in films would have an AK of some sort. --cool-breeze 13:14, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
Not to mention the 40-some years of films with AK toting commies villains.
Russia donating rifles to anybody calling themselves commie sympathetic freedom fighters didn't help either.
--Geckcgt 01:28, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
The US supplied various firearms to Capitalist friendly regimes and freedom fighters during the Cold War, so it wasn't just the Russians doing the donations. --cool-breeze (talk) 07:28, 29 May 2013 (EDT)
AK 46, AK 47, AK
Actualy correct name of the Avtomat Kalashnikova is AK (without 47). AK 46 and AK 47 was esperemental models and serial model is "Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947 year "AK". You also can see it on original NSD (I had photo but now can't find).
Also model called AK now using nowhere, except Africa maybe. This model was quickly changed by AKM, what known in USA as AK 47 7.62х39mm. Only models after AK 74 have numbers in their names.
P.S. Sorry for my terrible english, I whould explain better on esperanto or russian.
In case you haven't noticed, we refer to the AKM as just that--"AKM". As far as the AK vs AK-47 name debate, we just have our own ways of doing some things and stick with it (e.g., "SA-7 Grail" instead of "9K32 Strela-2"). At least the way I look at it, "AK" has become a regular byword over here for AK-type weapons in general and referring to the original AK as "AK-47" is simply to make it less confusing. But I can understand the frustrations of some AK aficionados because I get aggravated when people refer to a C7 as an "M16" or a C8 as an "M4". Spartan198 (talk) 13:43, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater's AMD-65s
You forgot to make a video game entree for Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater in the AMD-65 section, the Ocelot Unit uses AMD-65/63 in the game.
AK-101 and AK-103
Shouldn't they be moved to AK-74 article? They are AK-74M chambered for different rounds.
As far I'm moving AK-101 hence it is practically the same as AK-74 --RussianTrooper 19:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
No, all 5.56x45mm AK variants are on this page along with the original 7.62x39mm. All 5.45x39mm AK variants are on the AK74 page. Do NOT change it. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 19:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Franken-AK
Stumbled across this monstrosity while surfing the other day. Only thing I can think to say is...WTF??? --Charon68 21:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
That's not an AK, but a SAIGA (with a probably Photoshop Job) mpm
look fake
- Well, MPM would know photoshop jobs. :b Lol, that's is the most fucked up shit I've seen in a while. Bah! StanTheMan 16:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
That's only slightly 'shopped. I'll post the original. -protoAuthor 21:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering, when firing an AK-series rifle, does the bolt lock back in the open position after the last round as with M16-series rifles, or does it come back closed again? Orca1 9904 22:24, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
Normally, NO! But the Yugoslav models had a modified bolt that when used with a Yugoslav magazine with a modified follower, would lock the bolt open on the last round. BUT, when the magazine was removed, the bolt closed anyway. The bolt would not lock back if another magazine type was used. Sometimes a notch was cut into the selector to hold the bolt back but this only worked when the selector was set to safe after you pulled the bolt back. Wraith
So... what exactly is the point of this bolt catch if removing the mag just lets the bolt go? Spartan198 (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2013 (EST)
What AK is this?
I'm currently doing some recapping for a big edit of the Ultimate Force page and came across this gun:
As far as I can tell, it has a stamped upper and lower receiver, folding stock, ported gas tube, slanted muzzle and open front sights. I can't find a variant on this page that fits, so is this a franken-gun, or something not listed here? Also ,the gun does actually fire blanks so it isn't an airsoft gun or replica. --commando552 12:34, 30 March 2011 (CDT)
Looks like a AKMS ([1]). You would have to look at receiver markings to get a more detailed description. Wraith
It's an AKMS, but yeah, it has a ported gas tube and smooth front hand guard (which are features found on the AKS-47). I would say it's an AKMS with AKS-47 parts. -MT2008 18:31, 31 March 2011 (CDT)
We recently discovered a Hungarian AKM that has the AK47/Type 56 style gas tube. It's a FEG variant that was only exported to Europe and not the U.S> during the 1980s which explains why British armorers have it and American ones do not. Check out (NGM-81). Note that nearly everyone removed the ugly factory PKM flash hider and replaced it with something more conventional. The underfolder version of this gun was called the NGV-81. :) Since the NGM-81 was built in 5.56mm only, I will investigate further if the Hungarians built any other AKS from this particular lineage, chambered in 7.62x39mm. IF so then we're in business. I will let everyone know if I find something. MoviePropMaster2008 00:30, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
Thanks, did a bit of looking at other FEG variants, and it seems a pretty close match for the under-folding variant of the SA-85. Only difference I can see is the different colour hand-guards. --commando552 03:53, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
I know this might be slightly off-topic, but the guy in that shot looks like he's wearing German flecktarn camo used by the Bundeswehr. Orca1 9904 21:35, 10 June 2011 (CDT)
Could be an AKS47 with an AKM muzzle break (is that what they're called?) --cool-breeze 13:17, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
If it was originally an AKS it would have a milled rather than stamped receiver. Also, the front sight is of the AKM type. I agree with MT2008 that it is an AKM with some parts changed. --commando552 16:00, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
It certainly looks to have been cannibalised from several; by the looks of things, the gas tube is from a different gun to the lower handguard, for a start (check out how the top and bottom of the handguard aren't anywhere near the same colour or level of wear). Evil Tim 16:08, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
Too me, it's just a AKMS with some parts (gas tube, lower handguard) from a AK-47. AK parts are mixed and matched a lot. - Mr. Wolf 17:28, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
I think that statement is incorrect on the AK-47 versus AKM, if that is what you are talking about. not sure what you meant, but different AK-47 parts are interchangeable with other AK-47 guns and different AKM parts are interchangeable with other AKM guns, but the AKM Parts are NOT easily interchangeable with the AK-47. Though it can happen and has, it's a hassle. If you use the AK-47/Type 56 style gas tube with the gas relief holes in it, you CANNOT use the AKM gas block (which has the gas relief holes in it's tube ring). You have to use the solid AK-47/Type 56 style gas block in order for the gun to cycle. Also the gas tube of the AK-47 doesn't fit the AKM (unless a gunsmiths does a lot of modifying). I know, I've tried and without changing, milling, grinding or welding the items, they just don't fit into each other at all. MoviePropMaster2008 07:01, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
Okay, I see. Thank you for the brain nourishment. :D - Mr. Wolf 15:34, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
Question about AK Part
I was wondering, what's the thin metal tube that runs underneath the barrel of AK-series rifles called? I know it's not part of the gas system, as that's on top and the weapon still seems to be able to operate without it. Any help figuring this out would be appreciated. Orca1 9904 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
That's the cleaning rod. :D - Mr. Wolf 20:23, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
What do you guys think?
Last week, I was watching a Youtube video of a German WWII re-enactor firing an STG-44. I decided to post a comment: "The AK's Grandfather", and got multiple thumbs up (not really important, except for what happened later). What happend was I got some comments some saying things along the lines of:
1. You should have wrote AK's FATHER since there was no inbetween model.
2. Kalashnikov didn't look at the STG at ALL when designing the AK.
And then I got this: "@1Morey The MP44 most know by CoD fags as STG 44 was a good weapon, the problem is that it reached the warfare in 1945 basicly in the end of the war, so it was a failure, and the russians made the Ak years after. The Ak 47 was a failure too, it was just for military and it was on function only 1 year, then they made the Akm 47 wich alot of cod fags confuses it with the Ak 47. Please, seriously, do some research, Sorry for my bad english, p.s: I dont think you know too much about guns." - quoted by Andre232323232332323.
What do you guys think. It really seems to contradict everything I have read about the AK, and as far as I know, there is no such thing as the "AKM-47", I have heard of AK-47 and AKM, but not a AKM-47. I'm guessing this youtuber is whacked. I just want to know what you think. - User:1morey December 3, 2011 10:28 PM (EST)
Just an idiot who over uses the word "Codfag" and thinks he knows alot about firearms---P226 22:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)
1) AKM-47 is a crazy fantasy. 2) STG-44 is not a grandfather of AK. For example they has different system of locking bolts, besides STG-44 has a different way disassembly - it folded like a shotgun. Wikipedia says: "The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations: the trigger, double locking lugs and unlocking raceway of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine, the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle, and the gas system and layout of the Sturmgewehr 44. Kalashnikov's team had access to all of these weapons and had no need to "reinvent the wheel", though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle.Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of [Soviet Army soldiers] ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so" --Flexo 04:39, 24 January 2012 (CST)
What AK is this? Part2
What model of AK do this?
This AK is something that appeared in the Ghost Squad.
I think the Japanese airsoft Perhaps this good?--KINKI'boy 14:05, 24 January 2012 (JST)
Need help on an ID
I'm finishing Beyond Borders right now, and I'm stuck on an ID. The Khmer Rouge in the film have these AKs with milled receivers, but with the hooded front sight. It does fire once in the film. It could've been CGI, but I think I saw an ejecting shell as well. The scene was filmed in Thailand. Any ideas? --Funkychinaman 10:53, 31 January 2012 (CST)
Does it have a pig sticker bayonet, or the bracket for one, as the original Type 56 had a milled receiver. It could still be a Type 56 even without the bayonet, but having it would be pretty definitive. --commando552 11:15, 31 January 2012 (CST)
Alas, no bayonet, but it looks like it may have the bracket. Thanks. --Funkychinaman 11:20, 31 January 2012 (CST)
Does it have a forward facing "L" shaped bit of metal under the front sight block, as this is the bracket that would remain. Do you have a screenshot? --commando552 11:32, 31 January 2012 (CST)
Yeah, they are early Type 56s. The bayonet is removed but bracket is still there. --commando552 11:43, 31 January 2012 (CST)
They also have hooded front sights, indicative features of the Type 56. Spartan198 18:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)
change
Due to the length, divide it into several pages? All the models official leave (AK-47, AKS-47, AKM, AKMS, AKMSU, AK101, AK-102 AK-103, AK104, AK-108). The rest can be placed on other sites wedłóg their businesses. Zastawa and Norinoco and Bulgarian Arsenal in separate articles. --Mateogala 07:42, 3 April 2012 (CDT)
Stock Fold
I'm trying to make an ID right now, and I have a question: does the AKMSU stock fold only to the left or to the right as well? I've only seen to the left so far, but that would sort of screw left-handed shooters. --Funkychinaman 22:17, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
I would think it only folds to the left, fold right and it interferes with the charging handle
--Geckcgt 01:23, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
Why would it screw with left-handed shooters? Folding the stock wouldn't interfere with the operation of the weapon. Spartan198 (talk) 04:15, 4 January 2013 (EST)
I need help with an ID. It's got an SVD-style stock, the rails attach to the side. I can't tell what caliber since it's using a smaller magazine. Stamped receiver, open top front sight, no holes in the hand guard. The scene was filmed in Romania, for what it's worth. --Funkychinaman 19:01, 15 June 2012 (CDT)
MAK-90 with a PSL stock?-Ranger01 13:19, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
It looks like the MAK-90 has a closed front sight. And it seems odd they'd bring a post-ban AK into a country that has to be overflowing with AKs. Thank you though. --Funkychinaman 14:01, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
I think I found it. WASR-10 w/Dragunov stock? --Funkychinaman 14:12, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
Here's a better one: Error creating thumbnail: File missingAKS-47 T3Didn't overwrite the B&W one as that is a type 2 AKS-47, the milled receiver lightening cut is horizontal rather than sloped with the bottom edge of the receiver, and there is a ledge on the lower receiver above the stock pivot. Not sure if there are any type 2 AKS-47s in anything or whether they are all type 3s, will have a look through at some point --commando552 (talk) 19:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
Bulgarian Arsenal AR Year of Introduction?
Does anyone know this, when was the Bulgarian Arsenal AR first produced? If not an exact year is available then perhaps it's decade of introduction? Z008MJ (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2012 (EDT)
AKS caliber mistake.
I've changed it from 5.45 which was writen there,to 7.62x39mm,just so you know,people. :) Littlesoldier1 (talk) 08:39, 24 November 2012 (EST)
Yeah, that's fine. Someone probably just confused it with the AKS-74U when they added the stats, might be worth checking the others too. I'll take a look tomorrow if nobody does before that. Evil Tim (talk) 08:44, 24 November 2012 (EST)
Draco to AIMR section change
Does anyone object to me changing the Draco section to a more general one for the AIMR as a whole? AIMR is the general term used for all of the Romanian carbines of this type as opposed to the Draco pistol, which is one specific variant of it imported into the US by a particular distributor. Also, the majority of the "Draco Carbine" listings are for films or TV that were made in Europe, where they would not be using a US import weapon but rather the original Romanian variants. Appearances by the Draco would still go in this section, kind of like how Polytech Legend appearances are listed under the AK-47 section. Thoughts? --commando552 (talk) 10:11, 19 February 2013 (EST)
M22 designation
Okay, what is it with the M22 designation for the Norinco Type 56? Was the weapon adopted by the US military, or is the name just an importer's nickname for the rifle? --Warejaws (talk) 14:17, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
It isn't an importers nickname, but is a designation applied to it by the Chinese themselves. The M22 was an export version of the Type 56 with a milled receiver and that lacked the spike bayonet. It wasn't a civillian rifle and had a semi/full selector (marked L and D, anyone know what this means?), although numbers of them have been neutered and turned into civillian rifles like milled receiver MAK-90s. --commando552 (talk) 15:07, 8 October 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for the info, this was buggin me for a while... --Warejaws (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2013 (EDT)
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