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In [[Casino Royale(2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT) | In [[Casino Royale(2006)]], Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone.... | |||
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Bond's main gun
I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice Fixer
I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action Excalibur01 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)
I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --cool-breeze 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
- Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a Collateral with the Heckler & Koch USP--simmons 8492
Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --Funkychinaman 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)
I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.
- Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS Charon68 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( Fixer
Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --Mattattack07 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)
If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --commando552 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. Charon68 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
- That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --commando552 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
- On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --cool-breeze 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
- Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. Charon68 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
- Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least Tomorrow Never Dies; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in This shot. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. The Wierd It 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)
- On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --cool-breeze 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. Excalibur01 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --Mattattack07 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --Taurus96 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).
The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--Coltmth 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
- "he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. The Wierd It 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)
If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.
Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)
I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--Coltmth 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)
If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. The Wierd It 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)
While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :) Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. APS221 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.
The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --Coltmth 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--Yo dawg 111 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!
What Happened???
In Casino Royale(2006), Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--Yo dawg 111 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....