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Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon [[Far Cry 2]] page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT) | Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon [[Far Cry 2]] page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT) | ||
:Thanks :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:21, 15 September 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Renaming pages == | == Renaming pages == |
Revision as of 08:21, 15 September 2011
And I think we'll start this again with a clean slate.
Type 69 response
I've asked BRM to refrain from making any more changes until this is decided upon. --Ben41 17:05, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
Black
Dude, Your comments on the screen caps are awesome! (The Uzi) "Kellar reloads his NO KELLAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'LL KILL US ALL". XD - Mr. Wolf 22:41, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
RE:
It is interesting about them two editing just certain pages. If I remember right when MT2008 banned POI, I think he banned certain IP addresses he was using, I don't think Burt's IPs matched. But they are both in Cali. They were on the forums about the same time posting, they may have made replies back to each other. I don't remember. Hopefully the other mods will come to a decision on the RPG issue.--Predator20 09:13, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
- Hi, Tim, I have to present some of my research today (I'm in grad school), so I apologize for being so busy yesterday and today, but quick update:
- (1.) I think I got you approved to post on the forum. Try it now and see if it works.
- (2.) I did used to think that Burt might be PoI re-incarnated, and he certainly sounds like PoI sometimes, but I haven't been able to be sure of this. Being stubborn and argumentative is not a personality trait exclusive to PoI, and Burt hasn't demonstrated some of the other personality traits that made PoI so unlikable (in my opinion, anyway). That being said, PoI was quite technically competent (setting up sock puppet accounts after he got banned), so it's not impossible that he and Burt are the same person. But as Brian told you, their IPs were very, very different.
- (3.) We'll get to the bottom of the Type 69 issue. Promise. :)
- -MT2008 09:26, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
- I'm not sure why you haven't been approved on the forums. Are you using a free e-mail like Yahoo, Gmail? I don't have approval privileges on the forum. So I get "don't have permission" message when viewing your name, despite being a mod. Matt (MT2008) has a little bit more rights. So he may be able to help. But he's dealing with school, so just be patient.
- On another note, Burt didn't start making edits on the wiki until after he was temp banned from the forum, if I remember right (Matt did the banning). I ended up temp banning him on the wiki too for being a smartass. He's gotten better about things, but he still ends up rubbing people the wrong way.--Predator20 10:54, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
- Have you tried contacting Bunni here on the wiki about your forum problems?--Predator20 10:06, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
- On another note, Burt didn't start making edits on the wiki until after he was temp banned from the forum, if I remember right (Matt did the banning). I ended up temp banning him on the wiki too for being a smartass. He's gotten better about things, but he still ends up rubbing people the wrong way.--Predator20 10:54, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
ESU is SWAT
In the NYPD, the Emergency Services Unit functions as SWAT in addition to other duties.
--Ben41 17:20, 16 April 2011 (CDT)
You did take a look at the official NYPD website, right? [1] They perform the tactical duties, but are not called SWAT.
Created Gun Tables
If you are thinking about converting the gun pages to the table format, please use the table as seen in Taurus PT945 page. --Ben41 01:18, 20 April 2011 (CDT)
In keeping with the actor pages, please arrange by year earliest FIRST for any future revisions (you can keep minigun entries the way they are). For the videogame tables, just eliminate the "Actor" box. --Ben41 17:58, 20 April 2011 (CDT)
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Do you feel like helping me look over the page for errors?
RE: CODBO screenshots
Yeah, I had spotted it too, but by that time I had already taken the screenshots. It doesn't look too out of place but the next batch of shots that I plan to upload soon, have the corrected size.--SB2296 05:41, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
Spacing
I'm using Internet explorer at 1366 x 768, so I guess it's only in that browser. I'll amend my message. --Ben41 06:00, 30 April 2011 (CDT)
Re: Re: Call of Duty World at War
By your definition, what's to stop people from listing every single howitzer, tank cannon, and other heavy artillery piece imaginable on this site? We have to draw the line somewhere. Orca1 9904 08:02, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
- In that case, I guess we should get to work listing every time a Tiger tank shows up with its' 88mm gun in a WW2-themed article or when an Abrams fires its' M256 120mm gun in a modern film. You up for cluttering the pages with that extraneous, unnessicary info? Orca1 9904 08:25, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
Spaceart replicas
Did someone tell you to remove them? We went over this on the forum. Since we don't have the screen used guns in some cases, they are okay to use. We were planning on removing the links though. --Predator20 11:43, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
- Some were kind of for them, some weren't. http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1662 I thought they were okay representatives to use. If they aren't going to be on the main pages, place them on the talk pages. --Predator20 12:05, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
Zombie Killer 1995
I'm putting them on so I can remember them better. Sorry for any inconvenience but I will continue to do it, But I will change the jpeg name so that my images won't be uploaded. Is that ok.
re:thank you
No problem. If you want I can change the protection for your page to registered users only. --Predator20 09:11, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
That Spambot
I guess we'll just have to keep deleting out the entries. Thank for your help. --Ben41 06:00, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
new actor pages with the gibberish
Don't bother blanking them. Or marking them. When I delete them, it will only show their contributions and I can double check the ip to make sure I banned it. Talk pages are okay and just revert full pages and we will protect them against further action.--Predator20 08:53, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Chuck: Thanks for the ID.
Thanks for your help. --Ben41 01:22, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
M2 Browning in Bad Company 2 Vietnam.
The M2 Browning is mounted on the M48 Patton Tank, but you maybe know a better picture
maybe its better to just use an standard M2 browning picture, the picture i uploaded isn't the best if you understand--WorldofTanks 12:19, 3 June 2011 (CDT) thx for the upload it looks better now
Shinji Mikami
On IMDB, I only see that he's directed video games. All the directors credited on the site have either two or more films represented on the site or is also an actor who has used a firearm in a production. --Ben41 01:41, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
Adding game directors as a category is getting way too far away from the original purpose of the site. --Ben41 02:06, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
Pagecounter
How do the pagecouter works on this wiki ?
Trademark
Though it's not absolutely necessary, for the longest times people thought Muzzelite was the name of a GUN not the cover. And then people started naming Muzzelite as a generic term for other aftermarket bullpup kits, which it is not. Muzzelite IS a tactical aftermarket accessories company that is independent from Ruger. and their most famous contribution to society is a trademarked line of bullpup kits. at the time the TM was just a way to break people from the bad habit of using the Muzzelite as a generic firearm term, that's all. You're overthinking it. This all happened YEARS before you were a member so don't worry about it. MoviePropMaster2008 14:24, 27 June 2011 (CDT)
M8A1
You are correct, your photos are proof that the M8A1 is the base chassis, but I ask where did you get your information? You state that you did research. Did another source correctly identify the tanks? I only ask because the guys at Veluzat themselves erroneously identified the chassis as M48s on the DVD and to me personally. Now you have proven them wrong, but I want to know where else on the net the correct info has been listed. MoviePropMaster2008 01:46, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
- jeez, you send me a message right when I'm fixing the page already..... LOL. I was doing it already :D MoviePropMaster2008 01:48, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
- Though some state that the M8A1 is a derivative of the M41, I wonder how much. The M8A1 has 6 main bogey wheels and four return rollers. The M41 & M42 have only FIVE Main bogey wheels and three return roller. That indicates a completely different frame. Just noting. MoviePropMaster2008 14:55, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
- jeez, you send me a message right when I'm fixing the page already..... LOL. I was doing it already :D MoviePropMaster2008 01:48, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
Help needed
Hi. I'm working on a page for the film "Derailed". There was a S&W pistol, what the detective ID'd as a Smith & Wesson Model 5906. However it had those bigger sights, like the one on this image:
It this a very early M5906? I thought I ask you since you visit the site every day, and know a lot about guns. :) Thanks in advance. P.S.: I added an image of a WW2 "thing" onto the talk page of Clive Barker's Jericho. You have any idea what that is? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 09:55, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
- Never mind, I figured out that Smith and Wesson thing... - bozitojugg3rn4ut 14:31, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
- Thanks a lot for the help with that shitty WW2 gun. I thought it will be some kind of mortar or something like that. I think it should not be added to the page, what do you think? I also added the M26 MASS, I found in the manual that it is an "XM-26 semi-auto shotgun", LOL. Just a little trivia: I was really disappointed with F3AR (and I think you were also - at least that's what I've figured out of the talk page), but this game is pretty sick, I bought it in 2008 but haven't played it till now. I played it tru 5 times in the last week. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 06:00, 6 July 2011 (CDT)
D-War
Unless you know for sure with a verifiable source be careful NOT to declare it as a definite fact. The reason why I said that is I recently went by a movie tank farm where they had lightweight Abrahms 'dummies' that ran on some sort of small vehicle for deep background shots. Sure, lots of movies like to CGI duplicate but there are some times when the film wants people interacting with the tanks in the distance. Thanks for the note though. :D MoviePropMaster2008 16:49, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
Re: Ace Combat
That's a good question. I have the PS2 titles in the series myself and have played the demo for AC6, but lack a means to take screenshots that wouldn't look like crap. Ideally, I'd like to see the weapon ports for each aircraft mentioned in the articles (ideally with the gun firing so as to show the viewer where the firing port is via the muzzle flash), but I know that might be a bit excessive with some of the games such as The Unsung War which has something like 16 aircraft that all use the M61 Vulcan cannon. If my ideal suggestion is not possible, then try to get the player characters' signature aircraft (F-14A Tomcat in AC5, F-22A Raptor in AC04, F-15C Eagle in AC Zero, F-16C Fighting Falcon & F-15E Strike Eagle in AC6, etc.). I greatly appreciate your interest in helping to complete these articles, and look forward to seeing your input on them. Orca1 9904 04:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)
- I would exercise caution with some of the ground vehicle weapons, as that can easily stray into territory not within the scope of the wiki. If you can find a tank or APC with a machine gun or a ZSU-23 AA gun, that's fine, but please avoid things like heavy artillery systems or large-caliber flak guns. There is also a screenshot I would like to see for the AC5 article, but it's extremely difficult to get; namely an image of the player's aircraft being engaged by a FIM-92A Stinger in "Powderkeg" with the Yuktobanian radio chatter that specifically mentions that weapon system by name. Orca1 9904 04:43, 6 July 2011 (CDT)
- The 'tricky' part of the "Powderkeg" shot I mentioned is having that piece of dialogue appear at the same time as you're being engaged by said SAM. Both things happen at random during the mission if I remember correctly, so getting them to happen together so as to create a decent screenshot could be difficult. I also thought of another shot I would like to see for AC Zero; a pic of a Belkan BM-335 bomber firing its defensive M61 Vulcan armament (I've noticed that the BM-335 seems to be the only heavy bomber in the series thus far that has any defensive gun armament; the in-game B-52's & Tu-95's appear to have been 'neutered'). Orca1 9904 05:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)
Payday is deleted
Thanks for the heads up --Jcordell 12:56, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
Rank changes
Navy ranks are abbreviated differently. Listing a US Navy Lieutenant as "Lt." is not correct. See the link. [2] --Funkychinaman 14:28, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
- We're not talking about Jessica Biel or Josh Lucas, we're talking about their characters, who are US Navy Lieutenants. If we're going to bother listing their ranks, we might as well do it correctly. And as I said, "Lt." is not shorthand for a US Navy Lieutenant, "LT" is. If you want to write out the whole rank, go ahead. But if you're going to abbreviate it, then do it correctly. You noticed I left non-naval ranks alone. --Funkychinaman 14:44, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
- I thought being correct trumped readability. "Lt." may be short for the *word* "Lieutenant," but we're talking about the specific rank. And it's not just an administrative choice, navy LTs a different grade than Army/AF/MC lieutenants, just as Army/AF/MC Captains are different than Navy/CG Captains. Using the proper abbreviations helps in differentiating them. [3] --Funkychinaman 15:12, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
- "I don't know, if you're trying to educate people there's no point being correct if nobody understands you're correct..." Really? On the website that tracks *46* variants of what most people would just call a "Colt .45?" (And at least thirty variants of what laymen would just call an M16.) If you want to write out the full rank, go ahead, but keep in mind, the abbreviations do exist for a reason. And of course there are no hard feelings, we're resolving this like reasonable adults. As for Stealth, I think it A) REALLY deserved a good video game adaptation, B) felt like a fifth grader's attempt to remake "2001: A Space Odyssey," C) is an absolutely gorgeous, yet absolutely terrible film, like Pearl Harbor, and D) like Pearl Harbor, makes me wonder if the Navy leaves deciding whether or not to assist on a film to a chimp. --Funkychinaman 01:05, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
- It is what it is. If people see a someone in a naval uniform with LT in front of his or her name, and can't figure out it's short of Lieutenant, then I don't know what we can do. If we can educate people, I think we should. (Just be happy there aren't any Rear Admirals here. Explaining RDML and RADM would be a pain.) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ace Combat series. (I haven't had a PS2 in four years, and yet still have my copies of AC04, AC5, and Zero just in case I do get one again.) Considering it's taken them FOUR YEARS to make a console sequel to AC6, I'm willing to make room for a few clones, like a Stealth game. (As long as it's good. The HAWX series is really disappointing.) How desperate was I for another AC game? I actually thought about getting a Wii just so I can play Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. --Funkychinaman 01:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
- Yeah, those UAV missions were just lazy. And that just sums up the entire HAWX franchise. The gameplay is somewhat close to the AC series, but it just lacks polish. The cutscenes in HAWX 1 were some of the worst I've ever seen. BTW, I saw your note to Bunni about the cache issue. I got the same issue two weeks ago, but with a different user. I tried clicking on those same pictures you mentioned, and I'm in as a different, albeit logged out user. If I click back, I'm back in. --Funkychinaman 11:35, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
- It is what it is. If people see a someone in a naval uniform with LT in front of his or her name, and can't figure out it's short of Lieutenant, then I don't know what we can do. If we can educate people, I think we should. (Just be happy there aren't any Rear Admirals here. Explaining RDML and RADM would be a pain.) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ace Combat series. (I haven't had a PS2 in four years, and yet still have my copies of AC04, AC5, and Zero just in case I do get one again.) Considering it's taken them FOUR YEARS to make a console sequel to AC6, I'm willing to make room for a few clones, like a Stealth game. (As long as it's good. The HAWX series is really disappointing.) How desperate was I for another AC game? I actually thought about getting a Wii just so I can play Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. --Funkychinaman 01:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
- "I don't know, if you're trying to educate people there's no point being correct if nobody understands you're correct..." Really? On the website that tracks *46* variants of what most people would just call a "Colt .45?" (And at least thirty variants of what laymen would just call an M16.) If you want to write out the full rank, go ahead, but keep in mind, the abbreviations do exist for a reason. And of course there are no hard feelings, we're resolving this like reasonable adults. As for Stealth, I think it A) REALLY deserved a good video game adaptation, B) felt like a fifth grader's attempt to remake "2001: A Space Odyssey," C) is an absolutely gorgeous, yet absolutely terrible film, like Pearl Harbor, and D) like Pearl Harbor, makes me wonder if the Navy leaves deciding whether or not to assist on a film to a chimp. --Funkychinaman 01:05, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
- I thought being correct trumped readability. "Lt." may be short for the *word* "Lieutenant," but we're talking about the specific rank. And it's not just an administrative choice, navy LTs a different grade than Army/AF/MC lieutenants, just as Army/AF/MC Captains are different than Navy/CG Captains. Using the proper abbreviations helps in differentiating them. [3] --Funkychinaman 15:12, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
Sarcasm
There is no need for you to leave sarcastic comments on talk pages. Don't delete my comments and leave your saracasm on there. Grow up
There is no need for you to add that in the talk. What is the point of it? I'm going to delete it.
Don't removie my posts if your just complaing about people doing the same thing to you.
If they ban me they would have to ban you. There is no reason to leave your sarcastic comment on that page. Like I stated earlier GROW UP
No Funkychinaman answered my question you just addaded your two cents in when there was no need for it.
Yeah Ben41 warned me but did you see that he didn't delete anything I posted on the talk page, no he didn't. I could keep this up all day your comment will be removed, your not an administrator either
How to make new pages/articles
Hi there i may wanna create a page for the game "Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West"
My question is how i create new pages ?
Steyr AUG
Those images of soldiers using the gun in the field are not usable for 'gun images'. Sorry. Please remove them. We only allow stand alone images of guns, NOT news or media release photos of them in the field. MoviePropMaster2008 16:19, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
- Doesn't matter if they offer a better view of the weapon. Even up to the big crew served weapons and gun platforms, IMFDB tries to put solo pics up, no pics from field use. Put those type of pics in the discussion page. Other than that, only sterile Gun only pics are allowed as gun photos on the gun pages and movie pages. Thanks. :) MoviePropMaster2008 16:43, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
Cloudflare
Good catch - I'm going to see if there's any way to exclude some pages from the cache and force them to update every time. bunni 19:28, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
Jason Lee
I'm opting not to make a page for Stealth's Jason Lee since he's only got one film credit. If there's a need, I'm leaning toward using the IMDB name of Jason Lee (IX). --Ben41 21:58, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
Stealth
The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. MoviePropMaster2008 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
battling comments and deletions
So whats the deal with you and this noob? MoviePropMaster2008 13:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
Supernatural
I'll leave it up for now. --Jcordell 14:36, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
New User
Hey man, I just thought it would be funny to create my name like this. I'm not here to go around harass people and cause trouble jd0555--Jd0555 11:51, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- Bah, ain't that what they all say? After all, aliens always say 'We come in peace/we mean no harm' even if they intend to destroy us all. :P StanTheMan 12:02, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
I mean yeah a little it got you a little upset :p. Like I said I'm not here to start trouble
Well right now (even though I agree with you, but would that hold up in a court of law?) lets wait and see. if he starts acting up I have no trouble with blocking him. and I know MPM2008 won't have any trouble doing that either. Nor will Ben --Jcordell 18:13, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
RE: Language
That was just a thought on my part. And to me, if it was one line that's one thing - but two makes it a different case - a pattern. If he's deliberately trying to get pages censored that's not right. You should make a note of that to Ben. StanTheMan 12:09, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
- He's done it again, and now I'm seriously starting to think that either he's intentionally doing it just to be annoying. I've brought this back up with Ben, and also have brought it to attention of Predator20 and JCordell. This has now started to tick me off and I'm starting to see it as a real problem. I want to know what this guy's deal is. StanTheMan 14:37, 17 July 2011 (CDT)
Profanity
The amount of offensive language should be kept at a minimum level in order to maintain the professionalism of the site. The quotes were removed because they were not overly important to the screencap. I don't think I'll be going through and removing all profanity, but I don't want users to ask why we allow profanity on the movie pages and not in discussions. --Ben41 02:35, 15 July 2011 (CDT)
Those comments were made long before the Rules, Standards and Principles were finalized and now it's been stated that swearing should be kept at a minimum. I just removed a (now banned) user's comments due to the profanity. --Ben41 02:41, 15 July 2011 (CDT)
Wrong?
Instead of putting just "Wrong" when correcting a misidentified weapon, you could also put a reason down. --Ben41 02:35, 18 July 2011 (CDT)
Re. communication on IMFDB
Thanks for your quick reaction, this is much appreciated!
I now understand the 'logic' and I will indeed make replies on somebody's user talk page so that the person gets a notice. --PeeWee055 03:39, 20 July 2011 (CDT)
zastava
don't remove the note. Instead point to it and publicly shame me into actually getting around to DOING IT! LOL. hahahaha. I forgot because I just haven't seen that note in a long time (and when you mentioned it I did a "DOH!!!!") It's a wee bit tough since all those Yugo AK variants are in a vault about 65 miles away from my home (though I live in a major metro area of California, the state government of CA won't allow those types of restricted weapons in major dense population centers, even though the movies are all shot here, but we know how stupid most politicians are.....) I haven't had time to photograph that and many other weapons since I've been working non-stop (gotta grab the work when it happens, since there are LONG times of 'famine' in this biz). MoviePropMaster2008 00:54, 21 July 2011 (CDT) Thanks for the reminder. I will try to do that soon.
Thanks for the help
Hey Evil Tim, thanks for help undoing that spammer's work, My computer was terribly slow on those last two pages and I couldn't undo them as quickly as I would have liked too, so thank you for that too. You are a great contributor to the site, and keep up the great work.--Alienqueen11 00:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)
MGS4 Page
I actually just utilized HD youtube vids, not really tech savvy enough to use a capture card I guess. I agree on the M67 image, that was a random shot I found on google, and if you can replace it with a better one, please feel free.
I planned to capture shots from MGS2 and 3 as well, but there aren't very good quality videos out there, and since the HD remakes are coming out in the fall, I'll wait until then to find better quality shots to upload. - Gunmaster45
terror scoped rifle the saboteur
sorry to ask but can you find out for me what type of gun the terror scoped rifle is :)user:cbeattie14:49
Human Revolution
Hi. Are you planning to finish the page for this year's best game? I have it but have no time to upload so feel free to finish tha page. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 12:25, 30 August 2011 (CDT)
Just Cause 2 M249
Does it really feed from the underside in the game? To me it looks like the screenshot could be misleading. --Milkovich Error creating thumbnail: File missing 15:01, 31 August 2011 (CDT)
G11 Magazine
Huh, I thought that the stick was simply just a block of rounds stuck together and the weapon consumes the entire thing. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that. --HashiriyaR32 08:52, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
Captions
Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon Far Cry 2 page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --Masterius 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT)
- Thanks :D --Masterius 03:21, 15 September 2011 (CDT)
Renaming pages
Hi Tim, thanks for your comments. I followed your instructions and Attack on Leningrad was created in just seconds. Jolly good! --PeeWee055 08:36, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
bioshock
Hey man, didnt mean to get rude with the bioshcok "machine gun". I get defensive at times, I apologize for my rude behavior.--Gunner5
about
what all that about on the saboteur (Cbeattie 14:20, 8 September 2011 (CDT))
User: Cbeattie
Can I please have some help? Cbeattie is bugging the living hell out of me. ಠ_ಠ Just look at the "Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur" and the "sabouter 44 pistol" section on my talk page. - Mr. Wolf 18:33, 10 September 2011 (CDT)