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well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492 | well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492 | ||
As a gun lover and collector for many years, I think I'll chime in with my .02cents the gun appears to be a sig p6 which would be a modern p226 just the single stack earlier version, I highly disbelieve is to be a "non gun' as there is no separation in slide as the image above shows, guide rods are often changed, as I have changed the ones in my carry sig as well. | |||
==The Promo Gun== | ==The Promo Gun== | ||
Revision as of 09:51, 20 April 2011
Screencapping
Does anybody plan on screencaping this? I got the dvds in my Netflix queue. But if someone has purchased the series it would be a lot easier for them. --Predator20 17:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
this is a realy good show and i would like to give it a proper page so if any one is interested drop me a line on the talk page on my user page. --simmons 8492
Commander or Officers size 1911?
So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
- He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --Predator20 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- I watched the scene again, it's an Officers size. Could be a Kimber. --Predator20 17:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Miami gun
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas? http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png --24.8.253.46 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --Predator20 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Here is the pic converted. --Predator20 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG "Non Guns":
SIG-Sauer Non Gun
Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif --24.8.253.46 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). MoviePropMaster2008 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.
- Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -MT2008 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492
As a gun lover and collector for many years, I think I'll chime in with my .02cents the gun appears to be a sig p6 which would be a modern p226 just the single stack earlier version, I highly disbelieve is to be a "non gun' as there is no separation in slide as the image above shows, guide rods are often changed, as I have changed the ones in my carry sig as well.
The Promo Gun
I'm not sure if this related to the topic above but, on the Promo shot for the show, show on the original page on this site, the Sig that he is aiming has quite a large bore aperture. Considering this penchant for larger caliber Automatics, I think it could possibly be a Sig p220 in .45 ACP. Thoughts anyone?--Jackie.45Cal 17:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
which trailer?.Simmons 8492
On the main article for this site. It is possibly the lens that was used.--Jackie.45Cal 03:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
End of first episode
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-S&Wshooter 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619
He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia
But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-S&Wshooter 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.
He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. GaBoy45 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Givens shot Boyd centermass, so it's understood from the dialogue of the other characters that Givens missed the heart on purpose out of some sense of loyalty to Boyd. And if you would pay close enough attention to the dialogue and not just the action, many of these simple questions are answered.
He Says , adn i quote "at glenco , didnt you teach those recruts to aim for the heart?" just the fact that Raylan pulled a one handed pull,and was able to miss intentionaly is a sign of intence training.Simmons 8492
- On the dvd commentary, the creators said Boyd was supposed to die. He tested well and when the series got picked up, they brought him back. The scene of him being loaded into the ambulance was added after it was picked up. You could also argue, since Givens had to fire from the hip he couldn't his mark as well.--Predator20 17:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
- i like that they kept byod alive. hes a good oposite to raylan. but he was in the hospital for a while, he doesnt get released til the forth or fifth episode. enough tim to heal.--Simmons 8492
Glock
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. humanzie3
I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? Spades of Columbia
The holster appears to be a Bianchi 59 Special Agent Holster.
In S1.Ep.10 Raylen tells the judge the he carries a .45 Glock. Wouldn't that make it a 21?
- Just because that's what he says in the show doesn't make it so. The muzzle is what most use to determine what type of Glock, if there isn't a good view of the slide. --Predator20 15:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but he's saying its a .45 Glock. Now, it could be a G21 or a G37 if it's chambered in .45 GAP -burgershot621
Yeah...because it would be completely normal for a Southern Marshal to carry a .45gap, it would be a ACP if anything. Spades Of Columbia
In the episode, Raylen states he is carrying a .45 caliber glock. If it were a .45 GAP, he would say GAP. The .45 GAP is farely new, so it is understood that the character is carrying a .45 ACP, seeing as how the majority of the viewers may not be gun hounds like ourselves.-Mr. Peapobdy
Someone has now added the Glock 31 to the page. I'm starting to thing Glock sponsored this show just to advertize their product line.
Alot of the glocks on this page are speculative. For example just because a character on the show verbally says he's using a 45 doesnt mean he is using a real life Glock 21, he might say 45 but is filmed with a glock 17 or 19. Also just because it looks like a .357 sig cartridge doesnt mean its a Model 31 or 32, it might mean that he is using a model 22 with a necked and crimped blank round. They can also use the same gun in multiply seens with diffrent people...for all we know right now they can be passing the same Glock 17 and 26 to all the characters and call them diffrent calibers. Spades of Columbia
Kentucky
- As a former resident of Kentucky, I find Raylin's remarks about having to go back to KY hilarious. It is clearly obvious that he doesn't want to be there, and if you've ever had to live there you'll know exactly why-S&Wshooter 03:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
- I think everyone feels that way about one's home state. Besides, there're bad places almost everywhere. Ever been to the backwoods of Florida? It's just like this show.--Zblayde 04:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't see why he complains so much. I've lived in Kentucky my whole life. I love this place.
Bulletville
- Though you'll only see it for a glimpse, it seems as though Ava is using a USPc near the end of the episode, in the cabin. Perhaps Raylan switched his BUG, or just a pick up. Just an added note. GWHYSOW
I'm not sure where the USP came from, I think Raylan disarmed Bo's thug of it. Other Weapons were the Revolver & Sniper Rifle used by Boyd. Two other badguys used AK rifles.
I believe the USP came from Bo's guy that was watching Ava in the cabin, then Boyd came through the back door and killed him at which point i believe Ava got the dead man's weapon. Spades of Columbia
you're right, the USP came from one of Bo's thugs. raylan finishes the fight with his back-up -burgershot621
Moved from main page
I hate seeing discussions on the main page do here. --Predator20 15:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Glock 26
The Glock 26 is a subcompact pistol chambered for 9x19mm.
In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility.
-He states that his primary is a .45 Glock. No .45 Glock is this small so it stands to reason that this would be a 9mm because of Armor safety issues. There's no need for it to be a .357. However, from the size, it could easily be a Glock 33 in .357 sig or a Glock 27 in .40 S&W.
(Regarding statement above about there not being a .45 glock in that size) If you don't know anything about glocks, which you obviously don't, keep your statements off the internet. The glock 30 is a compact .45 glock. In the episode "the hammer" he states he has a .45 glock, which means he has...a .45 glock!! Pay closer attention and think before you type on a website that gun-nut cops (such as myself) visit on a daily basis.
If you seriously think that that SUB COMPACT weapon shown below is a Glock 30, then you've never held one. As a Glock 30 is a smaller COMPACT weapon. My personal belief that this is very likely the Glock 39 in .45 GAP, it's size difference being almost negligable when compared to the glock Glock 26. This show obviously seems to be marketing for glock and it stands to reason that his full size weapon is a Glock 37, also in .45 GAP. So keep your big man mouth to yourself mr "cop."--Jackie.45Cal 15:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I think that we can all agree that this anon "cop" is just some random kid who's parents don't love him enough.. also, my uncle carries a Glock 37, and off duty he carries a Glock 39.. both are chambered in .45 GAP. Oh, and really quick, "gun-nut cop," if you really were a cop you would know not to tell everyone on the internet, and you would have learned how to control your temper. -PunisherDave
You can clearly see it is not the Glock 30, if you've ever held one. The frame size alone is far too small, Glock 30 holds 10 .45 ACP, the 39 only 6 in GAP. My first statement was that no weapon is ".45 Glock is this small" and while it isn't true, I had considered the Glock 30 a outright saw that this weapon is too small. I also wouldn't carry a Glock 30 in an ankle holster, I believe that's where he kept it.--Jackie.45Cal 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to correct myself, I don't think this is a Glock 39, I'm pretty sure that the Glock 39 comes with the newer Slide release, the weapon pictured doesn't.--Jackie.45Cal 02:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Could be a 36. Course I'm bad at identifing Glocks. They should show the slide at some point in every show/movie that has Glocks in it, to make the lives of us gun nuts easier. Also, he kept it in the small of his back.-AC
Glock 21
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
-Possibly a Short Frame model.
Very possibly a Glock 37 in .45 GAP.--Jackie.45Cal 15:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I love how when I suggest that he might be carrying a glock in .45 GAP it's shot down, but the theory has resurfaced numerious times after and now it seems like a credible option for a U.S. Marshall to be carrying one. --burgershot621
I can't think of a Reason why it couldn't be one. He specifically states its a .45 and glock would want to market it over the 21, surely.--Jackie.45Cal 18:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
For the love of God its a tv show...just because a character says he is shooting a .45 does not mean that the shows armour handed the actor a .45 to act with. Number one, where and why would a movie/tv armour buy all but dead calibered hand guns like the 45GAP...and two why would a small town law enforcement agent carrie a hard to get ammoed firearm like the 45gap.--Spades of Columbia 19:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Then by your comment, why do we discuss anything at all on this website? Everything on here is just a movie, t.v. show, or video game. Number one, .45GAP is anything but dead, and U.S. Marshals aren't small town law enforcement. It's a federal law enforcment agency that is part of the executive branch. Doesn't sound small time to me, and sounds like it could stand to reason that it would use a specialized caliber such as .45 GAP. - Burgershot621
Kinda hard to call it a dead caliber when the entire the Georgia State Patrol carry Glock's in 45GAP.GaBoy45 19:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
In the commercial world Yes the 45GAP is dead in the water...Glock themselves are unloading them in hope of getting rid of them at a lower fee, I can buy any model of 45Gap for atleast 20% less then any other model of glock ...because there is NO public demand. Yes, a couple state patrols got bamboozled into issueing them...but do you really think a movie armorer will go out of their way to special order a 45GAP for a TV show and then get specialized blanks for the 45gap..or do you think it is more logical to give the actors another model of glock and just put in the script that it is a 45.--Spades of Columbia 20:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
dunno, there's been some speculation as to the plethora of glocks shown in this show, such as maybe a product placement deal? who knows. i mean, the last time i looked at the actual page it was listed that raylen used a glock in .357 Sig. Why would he switch from a 9mm, to a .357, to a .45ACP? Just something to think about and no one said that the .45 was definately .45 GAP. its just speculation and is not beyond the realm of possibility...
goodwin's law.
In the commercial world? If you are going by the commercial world then the round would have to be no longer produced by any manufacturer to be dead. Federal, Magtech, Remington, Winchester, and Speer are major producers of ammunition and they still see fit to produce the .45 GAP. If major suppliers of ammunition are still producing a round, then it can't be considered dead in the water. As for .45 GAP Glock's being cheaper, its called supply and demand. The .45 GAP was forgotten by a lot of writers when Springfield Armory made their XD in .45 ACP. The same could be said about the .357 Sig. Except for Law Enforcement Agencies, not a lot of people carry or own a .357 Sig. Where I am, pistols chambered in the .357 Sig are somewhat cheaper than .40S&W, .45ACP or 9mm. They is not a great demand so suppliers are focusing more on popular models. I have cousins and know a lot of Georgia State Patrolmen. They didn't get bamboozled into the .45 GAP. They like it. GaBoy45 23:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as how Para Ordnance had Springfield have decided to create 1911s and XD's chambered for .45 GAP, the round is anything but dead.---Burgershot621 00:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
In my store we have 6 types of .357 sig, 5 types of 10mm, 2 types of .327 federal...Hell we even have RCM ammo in stock. But not one box of 45 GAP, not one gun chambered in .45 GAP. All my suppliers from MT to Acusport to gunarama to ellett brothers tell me they cant give the .45GAPs away because they sit on the shelf and collect dust because nobody wants them. The ammo is becoming more and more low production similiar to the .32 H&R mag and .38 short colt ammo. Springfield DID chamber the XD in 45 gap but dropped it because NOBODY was buying them...and just try to find a Springfield 1911 in a 45 gap (they talked about it in 2005 but i never saw one). If my memory serves me right i think PARA chambers in a 9x23 so if they do do a 45gap it is meaningless for the caliber and anyway they dont do it anymore. AND Finally, If someone gave me a free 45 gap and my job supplied me with all the 45gap ammo i could shot (like the Georgia State patrol) I would most likely say that i like the caliber too...but that does not mean i would go buy my own ammo and my own personal gun in that caliber. All my customers that bought the 45gap back in the day thinking it would be cool all grew to regret it and are now trying to sell them without lossing their shirt in the deal. I call it dead because it will have no more growth, production will never be higher then the previous year...I am not yet calling the 45GAP a wildcat--Spades of Columbia 01:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
soo back to the original point of this...it is possible that givens would have a .45 GAP glock if it was issued to him...--Burgershot621 01:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
The character Givens in theory could be issued a 45 gap in script form...but it is very unlikely that Timothy Olyphant physically has a .45 GAP in his hands in filming.--Spades of Columbia 01:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
One of the old teaser trailers had a few good close-ups of the Glock. "17" and "9x19" were both clear on the slide. It may not necessarily be the same one used for filming the episodes, but it seems pretty likely. Gato 19:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, it was pure speculation, based upon the scene we see. If we are going go over this "9mm are easier to blank fire" thing EVERYTIME a glock is mentioned, then this site is going to get very boring. There are many incidents of a director or actor wanting the specific weapon because a person or persons they base their character on, or them just liking a certain caliber. Also, gun companies often use tv or movies to advertise their weapons or calibers or new equipment, if a character often mentions the exact caliber or model number of their weapon, it's reasonable to assume that this is the case.--Jackie.45Cal 00:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
It has to be a 21, I just finished watching the whole series and Raylan always fires 13 rounds before reloading, the promo art and the uk box shows a wide bore on the barrel. Coupling this with him telling the judge he uses a 'glock in 45' and tha fact the 45gap glock only has a ten round capacity i think its safe to say its a 21--Captain Snikt 22:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok here is my take on this whole discussion as I just finished reading all the posts going back and forth about what Glock he is carrying. Glocks are very difficult to identify on film without a clear image of the slide and model numbers on them. I think if a character says in a show/film that they are carrying a 45 Glock then unless you have a screen cap of the gun proving otherwise then it should be posted as such. This isn't a case like the movie Kiss the Girls where the character says "pick up the Glock" and the gun is clearly not a Glock. Or A Few Good Men when the character says a "nickle plated 45" and the gun in question is a 9mm Beretta. It should also be noted that the 2 most common calibers for blankadapted firearms are both 9mm AND 45acp. That is because the standard pressures of the round can be low enough to be safe to the actors while still alowing the gun to function properly. 40s&w and 357sig are higher pressure/power rounds and therefore not likely to be blank adapted for use in film. The 45gap is a lower power 45 so it is possible but the brass and ammo for them tend to cost more. Just IMHO... if the guy says it is a 45 Glock and he is in fact carrying a Glock (which should be easy to identify for all of us gun nuts) then it should be posted as such and not what we "think" it is because it is "unlikely" the actor was handed what he says he has.--Ram229 02:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Arts Sig
in the piolt, art uses a sig to fire at the two fat neo-nazis. it says its a P226, but it looks to compact to be a 226. id say 228 or 229 --Simmons 8492
Fixer Guns
Anyone care to id the guns used in that episode by the bad guys?