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::What you say is true but the Waffen-SS was an elite army sort of like the US Marine Corp so they were soldiers also. As for there own country declaring the organization criminal a lot of that has stemmed from the jealousy of former Wehrmacht officers in the German government. Soldiers in the Waffen-SS had very little if nothing to do with the guarding of the camps so they could have been separated from the regular SS that controlled the camps. But they were all bunched together due to the fact they wore SS runes on their collars and were further up the supply and celebrity status than Wehrmacht soldiers. --[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | ::What you say is true but the Waffen-SS was an elite army sort of like the US Marine Corp so they were soldiers also. As for there own country declaring the organization criminal a lot of that has stemmed from the jealousy of former Wehrmacht officers in the German government. Soldiers in the Waffen-SS had very little if nothing to do with the guarding of the camps so they could have been separated from the regular SS that controlled the camps. But they were all bunched together due to the fact they wore SS runes on their collars and were further up the supply and celebrity status than Wehrmacht soldiers. --[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::In 1942, the Waffen SS took over administration of the death camps, and by 1944, they took complete control. The primary mission of the Marine Corps, if I recall my midshipman knowledge from 13 years ago, is to seize and defend forward naval bases. I'm sure there's more to that, but I'm also pretty sure "running death camps" isn't included. And it was the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg who declared them a criminal organization, not postwar German politicians. Hitler also made a point to never allow the Waffen SS to be controlled by the German Army, and they had different ranks and even different oaths. | |||
Here's my logic: After the death sentences were handed down at the Nuremberg trials, the Allies denied requests by the condemned to be shot by firing squad, their reason being, firing squads were for soldiers, and hanging was for criminals, and they wanted to ram home the fact that these men were criminals. Therefore criminals ≠ soldiers. According to the International Military Tribunal, SS = criminals. Thus, using substitution, SS ≠ soldiers. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 00:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Goethe's alternate sidearm
While trying to execute Rabbi Lewartow for not producing enough hinges (Goethe was a cruel bastard, wasn't he???) his Luger won't fire. A moment later he tosses it to one of his officers & pulls out a 2nd handgun that looks something like a Walther PPK - anyone know what it is? Tommyt 20:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Deletion?
There are no screencaps since December 2008 and not much here. - Kenny99 05:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I have the movie so I could screencap it. --Mauser 16:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
- I finally capped it. Considering the last movie I capped was Black Dynamite, this experience was much more draining. --funkychinaman 05:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Mosin Nagants
I didn't have time to watch the whole movie again, I just skipped around, and I didn't see any Mosin Nagants. I did see some mausers with straight bolt handles, though, maybe whoever added the Mosin Nagants just got confused. There's two scenes with Soviets, and there aren't any guns in those scenes. --funkychinaman 05:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Terminology
I deliberately avoided using the word "soldier" to describe SS men here, and if you've seen the film, you'd understand why. To use the term "soldier" would be an insult to real soldiers and would imply these men were serving their country instead of being goons for murderous thugs. I'm not in any position to enforce this, I'm just explaining my reasoning, hoping anyone who wishes to edit this will agree. I think "trooper" would be an appropriate substitute, considering the lowest SS rank was trooper. --funkychinaman 16:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
The definition of a soldier is an enlisted man or woman who serves in an army. The SS men are real soldiers, just as real as any that serve today. Don't romanticize the term and add a moral quality to it. --Anon
- The SS started out as a paramilitary force, a personal bodyguard for a political party. THEIR OWN COUNTRY declared the organization criminal. --funkychinaman 21:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- What you say is true but the Waffen-SS was an elite army sort of like the US Marine Corp so they were soldiers also. As for there own country declaring the organization criminal a lot of that has stemmed from the jealousy of former Wehrmacht officers in the German government. Soldiers in the Waffen-SS had very little if nothing to do with the guarding of the camps so they could have been separated from the regular SS that controlled the camps. But they were all bunched together due to the fact they wore SS runes on their collars and were further up the supply and celebrity status than Wehrmacht soldiers. --phoenixent 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- In 1942, the Waffen SS took over administration of the death camps, and by 1944, they took complete control. The primary mission of the Marine Corps, if I recall my midshipman knowledge from 13 years ago, is to seize and defend forward naval bases. I'm sure there's more to that, but I'm also pretty sure "running death camps" isn't included. And it was the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg who declared them a criminal organization, not postwar German politicians. Hitler also made a point to never allow the Waffen SS to be controlled by the German Army, and they had different ranks and even different oaths.
- What you say is true but the Waffen-SS was an elite army sort of like the US Marine Corp so they were soldiers also. As for there own country declaring the organization criminal a lot of that has stemmed from the jealousy of former Wehrmacht officers in the German government. Soldiers in the Waffen-SS had very little if nothing to do with the guarding of the camps so they could have been separated from the regular SS that controlled the camps. But they were all bunched together due to the fact they wore SS runes on their collars and were further up the supply and celebrity status than Wehrmacht soldiers. --phoenixent 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's my logic: After the death sentences were handed down at the Nuremberg trials, the Allies denied requests by the condemned to be shot by firing squad, their reason being, firing squads were for soldiers, and hanging was for criminals, and they wanted to ram home the fact that these men were criminals. Therefore criminals ≠ soldiers. According to the International Military Tribunal, SS = criminals. Thus, using substitution, SS ≠ soldiers. --funkychinaman 00:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)