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::I can pretty much guarantee you that the real gun in the movie will be in 5.56x45mm, as there is no purpose chambering it in anything else, along with the fact that i think that both 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC require special magazines, so not the PMAGs shown here. As for what the "real" Deadshot would use, TBH I would assume it would be 5.56x45mm. 5.56x45mm has the advantages of being lighter to carry and fitting more rounds in a magazine, but more importantly for a criminal assassin it is far more available, cheaper, and harder to link to an individual. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 27 February 2016 (EST) | ::I can pretty much guarantee you that the real gun in the movie will be in 5.56x45mm, as there is no purpose chambering it in anything else, along with the fact that i think that both 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC require special magazines, so not the PMAGs shown here. As for what the "real" Deadshot would use, TBH I would assume it would be 5.56x45mm. 5.56x45mm has the advantages of being lighter to carry and fitting more rounds in a magazine, but more importantly for a criminal assassin it is far more available, cheaper, and harder to link to an individual. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 27 February 2016 (EST) | ||
:::Maybe it's just I kinda find it odd that a sniper would use 5.56 in his rifle. But that might just be me.--[[User:Sasquatch the Reaper|Sasquatch the Reaper]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch the Reaper|talk]]) 16:47, 27 February 2016 (EST) | :::Maybe it's just I kinda find it odd that a sniper would use 5.56 in his rifle. But that might just be me.--[[User:Sasquatch the Reaper|Sasquatch the Reaper]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch the Reaper|talk]]) 16:47, 27 February 2016 (EST) | ||
::::Seeing as we never see him doing any sniping in any of the trailers, I don't think we can really assume that this is meant to be a sniping rifle. The optic choice is also wrong for a sniper rifle and he has no bipod. Maybe in this incarnation he isn't really a "sniper", or perhaps it is just that this mission doesn't call for a sniper rifle (there are fighting in streets and inside buildings in what we have seen after all).--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST) | |||
Other than round count because the shape is a bit different, regular mags will fit 6.8. Though it hasn't been the "hotness round" ever since the .300 blackout took over and apparently staying strong. Also remember that Deadshot the character is a very versatile hitman who is known to never miss and can hit you from anywhere using anything, even his wrist guns and like a professional, he doesn't always hit people from far away with a sniper rifle, hence his wrist guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 27 February 2016 (EST) | Other than round count because the shape is a bit different, regular mags will fit 6.8. Though it hasn't been the "hotness round" ever since the .300 blackout took over and apparently staying strong. Also remember that Deadshot the character is a very versatile hitman who is known to never miss and can hit you from anywhere using anything, even his wrist guns and like a professional, he doesn't always hit people from far away with a sniper rifle, hence his wrist guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:36, 27 February 2016 (EST) | ||
:You can fit both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel into a 5.56 magazine, but neither will reliably function. Due to the wider case width after loading about 8 rounds the magazine body will be forced apart to the point where it bulges and will not fit properly in the magazine well reliably. Also due to this you get a lot of binding on the cartridges and along with the incorrect feed lips you would get a lot of failures to feed. I think that the follower has to be different as well, with cartridges tending to nose dive with the original. Special 6.8 SPC magazines differ primarily in reshaped feed lips, a new anti tilt follower, and reducing the thickness of the metal and depth of the ribs to give enough room for the cartridges to stack well enough that they will not bind too badly. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST) | |||
Also remember, these are actors. No matter how much training you give them, sometimes during a scene, they forget to do certain things or they just do what they want because they are just pretending and not doing it in any real sense. Only a few actors ever fully took advantage of their training and was completely into the rules of how to handle a gun. I remember another recent movie, Furious 7, where Djimon Hounsou's character held an AK with a laser on the end and "aimed" it sideways almost like it's some kind of technique but it isn't any that I know of and I've trained with rifles. The first time I've seen a character do a sorta tilt was way back before there were angled sights in the game Metal Gear Solid 4 (At least at the time, I didn't see such a thing as angled sights. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:41, 27 February 2016 (EST) | Also remember, these are actors. No matter how much training you give them, sometimes during a scene, they forget to do certain things or they just do what they want because they are just pretending and not doing it in any real sense. Only a few actors ever fully took advantage of their training and was completely into the rules of how to handle a gun. I remember another recent movie, Furious 7, where Djimon Hounsou's character held an AK with a laser on the end and "aimed" it sideways almost like it's some kind of technique but it isn't any that I know of and I've trained with rifles. The first time I've seen a character do a sorta tilt was way back before there were angled sights in the game Metal Gear Solid 4 (At least at the time, I didn't see such a thing as angled sights. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:41, 27 February 2016 (EST) | ||
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"Robber" weapons
A few things, firstly, is it just me or does the UMP used by "Baby Face" look like it could actually be a G36C? Secondly, to me it looked like the Batman one had a Galil ACE 21 with a Meprolight sight (you see a more side on view of it at another point of the trailer, just after the goat face guy). Also, why are we calling them robbers? Are they stealing anything? To me it seemed more like they were either breaking the Joker out of Arkham or they were breaking in with him. In the UMP picture the windows look like prison/asylum ones with the metal mesh over the front and the decor seems to match. Also, the Panda is just visible in the last scene with the Joker where he is giving someone ECT and it looks like some kind of treatment room with medicince cabbinets in the background. My assumption is that this is a flashback for the creation of Harley Quinn, with normal Harleen Quinzell being seen wrestling with the Joker (same shot with the side on view of the Galil ACE), and also tied down to a table with a leather strap in her mouth, presumably during the ECT. --commando552 (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2015 (EDT)
Deadshot guns
So it's confirmed that Deadshot's guns are not a CMMG rifle and a Glock 34 MOS? Excalibur01 (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
Having seen some on set photos, it appears that Deadshot also carries two Glock 18s, holstered on the small of his back. His wrist guns are also Glocks, possibly 17s with the butt cut off and what I presume is a specially customised magazine that would hold about three or four rounds I'd guess. Damn he likes his Glocks! Tad overkill with the two 18s as well but oh well. Statichunter (talk)
- I can't decide if the wrist guns are based on something real or not. On the pro side, the slides really look like Glocks and there is that black plate with the logo that looks like it may be the base plate of a specially shortened magazine (I doubt this is depicted as the magazine in the film, but rather the whole section along side the slide is a magazine). However on the con side, the gun on his right wrist has the ejection port and extractor on the wrong side of the slide. I am not aware of any "left handed" Glocks, so either this is a custom built slide or it is a prop. Anyone know of anybody making slides like this? --commando552 (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2015 (EST)
Deadshot's PDW AR-15 and other stuff from new trailer
I do not think that the new rifle that Deadshot is seen with is an HK416C as the barrel is too long, the stock is slightly different, you can't see the gas block, and it has a normal height receiver rather than the taller HK416 one. I believe that the stock is a Troy PDW one, and my guess is that it has been attached to some other rifle, possibly a DD Mk18, like this one.--commando552 (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2016 (EST)
Just some things
Since my OCD is bugging me about this, I have a few questions.
Why do you think Deadshot doesn't have iron sights on his main rifle? I know he's supposed to be the worlds greatest marksman, but it doesn't hurt to backup sights.
Also, is there any particular advantage to Flagg holding his rifle sideways (He is shown doing so), instead of a more traditional stance? --Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 10:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Deadshot has a backup sight, it is the red dot on top of his ACOG. As for Flagg holding the rifle sideways, the only time when you might ever shoot like this is if you had a back up iron sight that was mounted on the side or at 45 degrees, but I don't think that this is the case here. Potentially you might tilt the gun to the side like this if you want to look at something to get your sights out of the way, but my guess is that this is done in this case so that the sight isn't obscuring the actors face as much. --commando552 (talk) 12:48, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- I'd buy that. What do you think Deadshot chambered his rifle in? 5.56 or maybe something else, like 6.5 Grendel? --Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- I can pretty much guarantee you that the real gun in the movie will be in 5.56x45mm, as there is no purpose chambering it in anything else, along with the fact that i think that both 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC require special magazines, so not the PMAGs shown here. As for what the "real" Deadshot would use, TBH I would assume it would be 5.56x45mm. 5.56x45mm has the advantages of being lighter to carry and fitting more rounds in a magazine, but more importantly for a criminal assassin it is far more available, cheaper, and harder to link to an individual. --commando552 (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Maybe it's just I kinda find it odd that a sniper would use 5.56 in his rifle. But that might just be me.--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- Seeing as we never see him doing any sniping in any of the trailers, I don't think we can really assume that this is meant to be a sniping rifle. The optic choice is also wrong for a sniper rifle and he has no bipod. Maybe in this incarnation he isn't really a "sniper", or perhaps it is just that this mission doesn't call for a sniper rifle (there are fighting in streets and inside buildings in what we have seen after all).--commando552 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
- Maybe it's just I kinda find it odd that a sniper would use 5.56 in his rifle. But that might just be me.--Sasquatch the Reaper (talk) 16:47, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- I can pretty much guarantee you that the real gun in the movie will be in 5.56x45mm, as there is no purpose chambering it in anything else, along with the fact that i think that both 6.5mm Grendel and 6.8mm SPC require special magazines, so not the PMAGs shown here. As for what the "real" Deadshot would use, TBH I would assume it would be 5.56x45mm. 5.56x45mm has the advantages of being lighter to carry and fitting more rounds in a magazine, but more importantly for a criminal assassin it is far more available, cheaper, and harder to link to an individual. --commando552 (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2016 (EST)
Other than round count because the shape is a bit different, regular mags will fit 6.8. Though it hasn't been the "hotness round" ever since the .300 blackout took over and apparently staying strong. Also remember that Deadshot the character is a very versatile hitman who is known to never miss and can hit you from anywhere using anything, even his wrist guns and like a professional, he doesn't always hit people from far away with a sniper rifle, hence his wrist guns. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:36, 27 February 2016 (EST)
- You can fit both 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel into a 5.56 magazine, but neither will reliably function. Due to the wider case width after loading about 8 rounds the magazine body will be forced apart to the point where it bulges and will not fit properly in the magazine well reliably. Also due to this you get a lot of binding on the cartridges and along with the incorrect feed lips you would get a lot of failures to feed. I think that the follower has to be different as well, with cartridges tending to nose dive with the original. Special 6.8 SPC magazines differ primarily in reshaped feed lips, a new anti tilt follower, and reducing the thickness of the metal and depth of the ribs to give enough room for the cartridges to stack well enough that they will not bind too badly. --commando552 (talk) 05:40, 28 February 2016 (EST)
Also remember, these are actors. No matter how much training you give them, sometimes during a scene, they forget to do certain things or they just do what they want because they are just pretending and not doing it in any real sense. Only a few actors ever fully took advantage of their training and was completely into the rules of how to handle a gun. I remember another recent movie, Furious 7, where Djimon Hounsou's character held an AK with a laser on the end and "aimed" it sideways almost like it's some kind of technique but it isn't any that I know of and I've trained with rifles. The first time I've seen a character do a sorta tilt was way back before there were angled sights in the game Metal Gear Solid 4 (At least at the time, I didn't see such a thing as angled sights. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:41, 27 February 2016 (EST)