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== Del Toro's Mark 23 == | == Del Toro's Mark 23 == | ||
It's definately a Mark 23, I've added another screenshot that very clearly shows it to be a Mark 23. | It's definately a Mark 23, I've added another screenshot that very clearly shows it to be a Mark 23. --[[User:Armourpiercing]] ([[User talk:Armourpiercing|talk]]) | ||
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[[File:Sicario-mk23-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Fifteen years later, del Toro fires a suppressed Mark 23 as Alejandro in a similar stance.]] | [[File:Sicario-mk23-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Fifteen years later, del Toro fires a suppressed Mark 23 as Alejandro in a similar stance.]] | ||
:He sure has aged since then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:31, 8 January 2016 (EST) | :He sure has aged since then.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:31, 8 January 2016 (EST) | ||
::Aged very well. Like a badass [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:40, 8 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::The older he gets the more badass he looks, like Sean Connery (he's a ''bit'' older though)--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:15, 8 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::James Badge Dale does something similar. He repeats a one-handed pose with a pistol. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 01:06, 9 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:The director and cinematographer aren't the same, so that's not the reason. But isn't this a common shooting stance and camera angle seen in movies? It's not hard to find moments in other movies showing other actors (such as [[Bruce Willis]]) assuming this stance while holding a handgun. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:45, 15 January 2016 (EST) | |||
I would say he is probably left eye dominant so it would make sense to turn his head. --[[User:Serpico1911|Serpico1911]] ([[User talk:Serpico1911\talk]]) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (CST) | |||
==Another M4?== | |||
Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Theres a variety of M4s in this movie with the current standard model being the most common with Law Enforcement and Military operators. Mexican Federal Police officers and drug cartel members definitely carry the older gen M4s and makes sense too. - MrJDK9412 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (AEST) | |||
== Airsoft?== | |||
How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::::There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::::If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it ''isn't'' this G&P replica as the [[media:Sicario-M933-2.jpg|first screenshot]] clearly shows that the movie guns have [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A1_2|A1 style]] flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the [[Colt_AR-15_Identification_Guide#A2_2|A2 style]]. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST) | |||
:::MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in ''[[The Walking Dead]]'', ''[[Covert Affairs]]'', ''[[Nikita]]'' and ''[[Burn Notice]]'', and on an M4 in ''[[No Tears for the Dead]]''. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST) | |||
I think Del Toro's MP5A3 in some scenes of the border crossing shootout is an airsoft, too. In one scene shot from behind and to his left, you can make out what looks like a red wire through the cocking handle slot. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 06:40, 20 April 2022
Del Toro's USP
I think that Del Toro's USP is actually a Mk23. I saw the film and the pistol has a screw hole thru the trigger guard like a Mk.23.--Insertjjs (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2015 (EDT)
M933s
Pretty sure the Mexican police have Mk.18s, the barrel looks too short for the Model 933. And one of the Delta guys has a Mk.18 as well.--Mandolin (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2015 (EDT)
Glock 22
Are we sure it's a Glock 22 and not the much more likely Glock 17? I imagine that somebody called it a 22 because the FBI uses that IRL, but the 17 is vastly more likely to show up in a movie.--Mandolin (talk) 23:16, 11 October 2015 (EDT)
- It looked more like a 9mm bore to me. --cool-breeze (talk) 16:25, 12 October 2015 (EDT)
Del Toro's Mark 23
It's definately a Mark 23, I've added another screenshot that very clearly shows it to be a Mark 23. --User:Armourpiercing (talk)
5 7
Which model is it? It doesn't appear to have any rail but neither does it have that strangely shaped trigger guard of the original model.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:38, 31 December 2015 (EST)
del Toro's Camera Angle (Sicario vs. The Way of the Gun)
I noticed something interesting while watching this film in the theater. At the end of the film there's a lower medium shot of Benicio del Toro aiming his HK Mark 23. It caught my eye because it has an uncanny similarity to another shot of del Toro aiming his 9mm Colt Government Model in The Way of the Gun. The resemblance is undeniable, down to his hold on the pistol and even his facial expression. Thought you all might find this interesting. --Caldwellb734 (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)
- He sure has aged since then.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:31, 8 January 2016 (EST)
- Aged very well. Like a badass Excalibur01 (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2016 (EST)
- The older he gets the more badass he looks, like Sean Connery (he's a bit older though)--AnActualAK47 (talk) 21:15, 8 January 2016 (EST)
- James Badge Dale does something similar. He repeats a one-handed pose with a pistol. --DeltaOne (talk) 01:06, 9 January 2016 (EST)
- Aged very well. Like a badass Excalibur01 (talk) 20:40, 8 January 2016 (EST)
- The director and cinematographer aren't the same, so that's not the reason. But isn't this a common shooting stance and camera angle seen in movies? It's not hard to find moments in other movies showing other actors (such as Bruce Willis) assuming this stance while holding a handgun. --Mazryonh (talk) 22:45, 15 January 2016 (EST)
I would say he is probably left eye dominant so it would make sense to turn his head. --Serpico1911 (User talk:Serpico1911\talk) 05:27, 25 March 2017 (CST)
Another M4?
Watching this in 1080p during the bridge scene you can see what looks like an M4 with standard handguards being held by the driver's side passenger of the green Civic as Donovon approaches the car and the camera angle changes to the driver's side. --DeltaOne (talk) 05:17, 14 January 2016 (EST)
Theres a variety of M4s in this movie with the current standard model being the most common with Law Enforcement and Military operators. Mexican Federal Police officers and drug cartel members definitely carry the older gen M4s and makes sense too. - MrJDK9412 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (AEST)
Airsoft?
How could you tell it was an Airsoft rifle? It could just be a Colt 933 or similar with a Magpul handguard. Excalibur01 (talk) 23:52, 15 January 2016 (EST)
- For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--Markit (talk) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
- That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. Excalibur01 (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
- There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --Markit (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
- If it is just the furniture that you are going by then I don't think that is enough to definitively say that it is a specific replica, as this is incredibly easy to change and is not unique to this one particular gun. Disregarding this, I think that you can actually prove that it isn't this G&P replica as the first screenshot clearly shows that the movie guns have A1 style flash hiders whereas the airsoft one has the A2 style. This is actually a common modification done to real blank firing weapons, as the more modern (correct for a flat top model like this) A2 flash hider produces an aesthetically "odd" flash due to it being asymmetric. I'm not saying that this means it is a real gun, but the fact that it has a difference means that we can't really claim that it is this particular model. --commando552 (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
- There's a good presumption that those weapons are props, which is noted in the description for the MP5SD. The CQBR is listed as such because there is a corresponding, distinctive airsoft weapon which shares the characteristics of the weapon in the movie. You can reasonably infer that it isn't a genuine weapon. --Markit (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2016 (EST)
- That...doesn't prove anything really. Del Toro's MP5 went to an SD in a non shooting scene and there's tons of other guns like the G36C that was never seen firing. We can't tell if those were props either. Excalibur01 (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2016 (EST)
- I will admit that this is the first on screen rifle with the Magpul MOE handguard on it, but that alone don't not prove it's an airsoft. My first AR-15 had the MOE handguard. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2016 (EST)
- MOE handguards have been used before, for example on LE carbines in The Walking Dead, Covert Affairs, Nikita and Burn Notice, and on an M4 in No Tears for the Dead. This is just for a quick search of documented ones, I assume that they have turned up more that people haven't properly recorded. --commando552 (talk) 04:53, 18 January 2016 (EST)
- For one thing, the rifle is never actually fired at any point in the movie, and turns up often in non-firing scenes where characters are brandishing weapons. The only rifles which are clearly shown firing blanks are the M4A1s.--Markit (talk) 18:13, 16 January 2016 (EST)
I think Del Toro's MP5A3 in some scenes of the border crossing shootout is an airsoft, too. In one scene shot from behind and to his left, you can make out what looks like a red wire through the cocking handle slot. Spartan198 (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2018 (EDT)