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Revolver? Hmm... maybe [[Reck Agent]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:32, 7 December 2015 (EST) | Revolver? Hmm... maybe [[Reck Agent]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 17:32, 7 December 2015 (EST) | ||
[[Image:Reck Agent.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Reck Agent Gas Revolver]] | [[Image:Reck Agent.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Reck Agent Gas Revolver]] | ||
:[http://vk.com/topic-20090757_32925428 Here] (the link in Russian) the revolver is guessed to be a [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/double-action-revolvers/rus/ots-01-rsa-e.html Stechkin-Avraamov RSA] (aka OTs-01 Kobalt) but I strongly doubt in it as this revolver was manufactured only from 1992. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:08, 8 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::I think that the identification of the revolver as RSA is too unreliable. The movie was released in 1992 while first 100 pieces of RSA were manufactured only in 1993. Only the general shape of the revolver can be seen in the movie, and there are many models that have the same outlook. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 02:27, 11 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Revolver probably [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]]. Anyway, it is much more logical, and the similarity is very great. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 15:44, 22 February 2016 (EST) | |||
:::: It looks to have a slightly slanted and shrouded ejector rod, which would rule out a S&W Model 10. Not that Reck Agent as it's got a longer barrel than that one. As it stands I honestly think it's difficult if not impossible to make any definitive ID. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:41, 22 February 2016 (EST) | |||
== Wow == | == Wow == | ||
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Is that an [[XM148 grenade launcher]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:35, 7 December 2015 (EST) | Is that an [[XM148 grenade launcher]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:35, 7 December 2015 (EST) | ||
:Thanks for help. I myself was surprised that it was not the usual M203. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:44, 7 December 2015 (EST) | :Thanks for help. I myself was surprised that it was not the usual M203. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:44, 7 December 2015 (EST) | ||
::I wonder how XM148 could appear in Russian movie. The only guess is that is was a trophy from Vietnam that was delivered to USSR and later it was transferred to a film studio. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2015 (EST) | |||
:::I figured it was a trophy from Vietnam. But given the rarity, I'm surprised it ended up in a movie rather than a museum. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:00, 8 December 2015 (EST) | |||
::::I found similar rifle with XM148 on Mosfilm: [http://www.mosfilm.ru/upload/iblock/f2e/f2eb5f20e06096f6fcd8ba678802916a.jpg]. Only there said that it is the M16A2. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 20:26, 9 January 2016 (EST) | |||
::::P.S. Also, just now I noticed that there are such guns as [[Carl Gustav M/45]], [[Steyr MP34]], [[IMI Romat]]. This is strange at least because I do not know a single Russian film with them (and I'm sure that this is far from not the all). Why then do they keep them at all, one wonder? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:01, 5 August 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::By the way, they was loaded it with 7.62x54mm blanks (I don't know why not any others wich are more suitable, but apparently they didn't work as needed), but no more than five pieces at a time, so that there would be no jams. Obviously, another reason why most of the other films used these strange StG44-AR15. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:39, 13 July 2021 (EDT) | |||
== Shotgun == | == Shotgun == | ||
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:Hardly this shotgun could appear in Russian movie in early 1990s. As for me, an early version of [[Mossberg 500]] with wooden furniture is more possible. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:29, 8 December 2015 (EST) | :Hardly this shotgun could appear in Russian movie in early 1990s. As for me, an early version of [[Mossberg 500]] with wooden furniture is more possible. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:29, 8 December 2015 (EST) | ||
::I would suggest Mossberg 500 as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:51, 8 December 2015 (EST) | ::I would suggest Mossberg 500 as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:51, 8 December 2015 (EST) | ||
:::This is a rather interesting version, because it seems to have a rifled barrel. This is interesting because after the collapse of the USSR, as far as I heard, such shotguns (with a fully rifled barrel) were for some reason forbidden to be imported. At the same time, in the USSR in 80s - early 90s a certain number of such Сombo shotguns, such as Remington and Mossberg, were imported by some way, and if they are found in modern Russia, then, as a rule, from that time, and this is one of them. However, you now can hardly legally use your rifled barrel on them: I also heard that in the post-Soviet 90s there were cases of the withdrawal of these barrels from “combo” guns. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:40, 23 May 2019 (EDT) | |||
== Suppressed PM == | |||
I think that the suppressed PM is a genuine PB. The shape of the suppressor matches this version. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:01, 9 December 2015 (EST) | |||
[[Image:Pb-1.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Makarov PB with integral suppressor - 9x18mm Makarov]] | |||
[[Image:Ts PM supressed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gangster fires silenced PM.]] | |||
== MP5K == | |||
New high quality version of screenshots makes me think that MP5K is based on [[Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5#Daisy_Softair_Model_15_MP-5K|Daisy Softair Model 15 MP-5K]] replica or something similar. [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-D8AAOSwgBNaqdjL/s-l1600.jpg Here] is a photo of this replica on the same side that in the movie. It has a different handguard but note that the screen gun lacks SEF indicator on right side, just as Daisy replica, while real guns have it. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:16, 18 March 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:39, 13 July 2021
Revolver? Hmm... maybe Reck Agent? Pyramid Silent (talk) 17:32, 7 December 2015 (EST)
- Here (the link in Russian) the revolver is guessed to be a Stechkin-Avraamov RSA (aka OTs-01 Kobalt) but I strongly doubt in it as this revolver was manufactured only from 1992. Greg-Z (talk) 12:08, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- I think that the identification of the revolver as RSA is too unreliable. The movie was released in 1992 while first 100 pieces of RSA were manufactured only in 1993. Only the general shape of the revolver can be seen in the movie, and there are many models that have the same outlook. Greg-Z (talk) 02:27, 11 December 2015 (EST)
- Revolver probably Smith & Wesson Model 10. Anyway, it is much more logical, and the similarity is very great. --Slon95 (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2016 (EST)
- It looks to have a slightly slanted and shrouded ejector rod, which would rule out a S&W Model 10. Not that Reck Agent as it's got a longer barrel than that one. As it stands I honestly think it's difficult if not impossible to make any definitive ID. StanTheMan (talk) 19:41, 22 February 2016 (EST)
- Revolver probably Smith & Wesson Model 10. Anyway, it is much more logical, and the similarity is very great. --Slon95 (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2016 (EST)
- I think that the identification of the revolver as RSA is too unreliable. The movie was released in 1992 while first 100 pieces of RSA were manufactured only in 1993. Only the general shape of the revolver can be seen in the movie, and there are many models that have the same outlook. Greg-Z (talk) 02:27, 11 December 2015 (EST)
Wow
Is that an XM148 grenade launcher? --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:35, 7 December 2015 (EST)
- Thanks for help. I myself was surprised that it was not the usual M203. --Slon95 (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2015 (EST)
- I wonder how XM148 could appear in Russian movie. The only guess is that is was a trophy from Vietnam that was delivered to USSR and later it was transferred to a film studio. Greg-Z (talk) 11:58, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- I figured it was a trophy from Vietnam. But given the rarity, I'm surprised it ended up in a movie rather than a museum. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:00, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- I found similar rifle with XM148 on Mosfilm: [1]. Only there said that it is the M16A2. --Slon95 (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2016 (EST)
- P.S. Also, just now I noticed that there are such guns as Carl Gustav M/45, Steyr MP34, IMI Romat. This is strange at least because I do not know a single Russian film with them (and I'm sure that this is far from not the all). Why then do they keep them at all, one wonder? --Slon95 (talk) 11:01, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
- By the way, they was loaded it with 7.62x54mm blanks (I don't know why not any others wich are more suitable, but apparently they didn't work as needed), but no more than five pieces at a time, so that there would be no jams. Obviously, another reason why most of the other films used these strange StG44-AR15. --Slon95 (talk) 17:39, 13 July 2021 (EDT)
- I figured it was a trophy from Vietnam. But given the rarity, I'm surprised it ended up in a movie rather than a museum. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:00, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- I wonder how XM148 could appear in Russian movie. The only guess is that is was a trophy from Vietnam that was delivered to USSR and later it was transferred to a film studio. Greg-Z (talk) 11:58, 8 December 2015 (EST)
![[1]](http://www.mosfilm.ru/upload/iblock/f2e/f2eb5f20e06096f6fcd8ba678802916a.jpg){kind=link}
Shotgun
Maybe, I'm wrong, but the shotgun looks like the Harrington & Richardson Pardner Pump. Pyramid Silent (talk) 10:10, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- Hardly this shotgun could appear in Russian movie in early 1990s. As for me, an early version of Mossberg 500 with wooden furniture is more possible. Greg-Z (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- I would suggest Mossberg 500 as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:51, 8 December 2015 (EST)
- This is a rather interesting version, because it seems to have a rifled barrel. This is interesting because after the collapse of the USSR, as far as I heard, such shotguns (with a fully rifled barrel) were for some reason forbidden to be imported. At the same time, in the USSR in 80s - early 90s a certain number of such Сombo shotguns, such as Remington and Mossberg, were imported by some way, and if they are found in modern Russia, then, as a rule, from that time, and this is one of them. However, you now can hardly legally use your rifled barrel on them: I also heard that in the post-Soviet 90s there were cases of the withdrawal of these barrels from “combo” guns. --Slon95 (talk) 12:40, 23 May 2019 (EDT)
- I would suggest Mossberg 500 as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:51, 8 December 2015 (EST)
Suppressed PM
I think that the suppressed PM is a genuine PB. The shape of the suppressor matches this version. Greg-Z (talk) 15:01, 9 December 2015 (EST)
MP5K
New high quality version of screenshots makes me think that MP5K is based on Daisy Softair Model 15 MP-5K replica or something similar. Here is a photo of this replica on the same side that in the movie. It has a different handguard but note that the screen gun lacks SEF indicator on right side, just as Daisy replica, while real guns have it. Greg-Z (talk) 16:16, 18 March 2018 (EDT)
