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==airsoft==
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I don't like, Tokyo Marui that much. But I have handled a 1911 , a double barreled shotgun, an M1 Garand, M4A1 and proudly the P220 and USP compact .357 sig.
[[Image:Sigbutton.jpg|thumb|right|800px|Also post at the '''BOTTOM''' of the discussion page....because that is how it works.]]
==Sig 228==
The one on the [[Negotiator]], i think it is a 228 because it has a shorter barrel, but i can't tell exactly since there is a tactical flashlight and makes me unable to see the trigger guard, but I am still really young to be interested in guns!!( I am under 18! even under 15!) and its strange that the 228 has no markings on it. And the outer barrel shape of the P228 is quite different so, once again, sorry for my rude edits.
==Recent Weapon Articles==
Listen, I have not uploaded the last articles for no reason becouse they were used in particular movies/video games. I have thorougly read your policy on uploading exotic Trial/Research weaponry and have followed it since you last told me.
[[User:Cutaway]]
==Sorry about my edits.==
Sorry, I am really sorry, I am new to this website.
==Norinco Type 54/questionable conversation==
'''Cool, I have a Type 54. Frame mounted safety, 9mm clearly marked Norinco (will take pictures if you wany). I may have missed some SKSs in Platoon, feel free to add them to the page. I hope you guys don't see me as that guy you always have to correct. His use of the word "especially" makes it sound like I fucked up major and it needs your help big time. No biggy, just wondering. Let me know bout the Type 54. (It was found by a friend of my dad's, hidden in a construction site, so he may say no since it could be illegal but it should be okay).'''
'''P.S: I could have sworn they made a MAC-9 model, but I'm assuming you'd know more. Sorry if I'm wrong''' -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]


::'''He okayed it, I'll photo edit them to make them Semi-professional looking.
==ARCTIC WARFARE==
:'''Sorry I haven't got the pictures done yet, I've been pretty busy. Expect them some time this week.'''-GM
My friend, i have done the job of describing the differences of the [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series]] check the discussion board of the page. i hope you appreciate my work.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
===Back for a bit===
''Nice to see you're back on the site! Hope you've seen some of GunMaster45's recent work (especially on Heartbreak Ridge and Platoon.) Anyway, I'm curious...do you by chance have a Chinese Type 54 copy of a Tokarev in your company's inventory? I ask only because I've seen those in quite a few movies, and I figure we should have a picture of one for this site. Also, I thought that only Chinese Tokarevs have the frame-mounted safety? I have little experience with them, but I thought I remembered reading that...please educate me if I'm wrong! ''


Yes, GunMaster45 did good work on the [[Heartbreak Ridge]] page. He put on screen caps proving that there were slab side M16s as well as A1s, so that I didn't have to do it. :)  I still think that some of the screen shots he attributed to Chinese AKs in [[Platoon]] are in fact SKS rifles. But I will have to do a detailed scan of Platoon to verify that the rifles that I think are SKS rifles are indeed SKSs. Hope he doesn't get annoyed, but I noted some errors in the [[MAC-10]] page.  I will also be posting pics of the MAC-10 in 9mm and also closeups of the Sten vs MAC-10/9 mags to clarify my remarks.  But I will correct ANY error that I see, and of course, I tend to get a little testy when MY stuff is deleted or changed ... hahahaha.  I just get high strung because I deal with crazy people every day.  I'm in a bad mood now because JOSH BROLIN, you know, that oscar nominated actor dude, just fucked up one of my handguns.  The trigger guard is completely bent.  I mean, how the hell do you bend a trigger guard of a Police Chief Special? unless you ran over it with a truck?  It's F**king amazing.  I can't believe how actors or (non gun wrangler) prop persons can completely screw up GUNS in a few minutes more than the abuse of a real shooter over the span of years...  And they look at me like I'm an idiot when I say "HEY!? what the hell did you do to MY gun?!?!"  Sorry, gotta deal with crap every day, from folks who don't know squat about guns AND they abuse me as well ! hahahaha.  Anyway, I wish I could take you to the set for just ONE day, to see the crap I gotta deal with.  On another note, I am trying to get to the Battlestar Galactica set before they tear it all down. :) I will just be a visitor since it's in Canada and I'm not an authorized armorer in that country. 
== User 67.183.66.44 ==
It is better to block this idiot for an infinite period of time, since just as his blocking period expired he has started making his usual changes, Take for example, he added the pistol and machine pistol category to full-sized SMGs like Spectre M4 and Jatimatic.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 08:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


I don't have a Chinese Tokarev, I will try to find someone who does. Again, I hope I don't seem obnoxious, but I own 99% of these guns and have decades of experience with them.  gotta apologize in advance ...hahaha ... there is always a bit of a knee jerk reaction that I get when I see info coming from any source (and that means all posters) that doesn't own or handle the firearms in question, and I have to do my best to quell that knee jerk response :) But I can always run to the gun safe, pull out the gun in question and take pictures of them.  I got pics of some of the MATRIX guns so I will try to post them.
==S&W 4500==
I recently combined the smith & wesson 4505, 4506, 4516, and 4566 articles into one. I was told to contact an administrator to see about removing the old individual pages if the change is considered acceptable. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:: (What I wrote to ANONYMOUS) I just banned an IP address (person did not log in as user Anonymous) for wholesale removal of data from three S&W pages.  That is NOT the way to do it. If this is YOU (i.e. Anonymous  User), I will lift the ban, but you CREATE the new page first and then cut & paste the old data AND then put a note at the TOP of the old page explaining what you did.  Suddenly BLANK Pages by unknown IP addresses usually AUTOMATICALLY put up a big red flag.  If that is you, ALWAYS log in before you do stuff like that.  Unknown IP address get automatically banned for that. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


== The Stand ==


Why so snarky? The last photo does appear to be some type of folding stock attached to the weapon. And why did you not either send me a message on my page or add to the discussion page for the movie? I don't mind a debate but I'm puzzled by your tone. Have I done something to you lately? I was under the impression that we strove for some type of polite excahnges here. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


===[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]===
Sure I understand how that goes.We all get tired and sometimes come across in wasy that we didn't intend. Not a problem. I thought I saw a folded stock in the last screecap, but I'll change it to the 89 model.I'm not a big MP5 guy. More into S&W revolvers.  Thanks. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I figured that it was something to do with the foreign exchange. I had an assumption it was similair to how the Glocks are in generations, 1s being the oldest ones with the least new feattures, 2s being slightly better, and 3s being the newest. I've also seen the R models with the tactical rails and moaybe that is a 3rd gen variation as well.  


It was only a thought that they could be like Glocks as that was my best guess. We should pobably find whoever labeled it P220-1 and ask him why he did that. With Glocks, the generations labeling is very simple.(I'l explain since I've tried very hard to remember all the Glocks and facts.)
==I am back again==


* 1st Generation: The original models first started in production in 1983. They had a flat nose at the end of the frame, a flat handle, no decocking safety, and I believe no white night outlined sights. They had magazines built to swell when fully loaded so when in the gun, they would'nt drop out if the mag release was pressed accidentally. That is why they have thumb wells on the bottom of the grip, so you can pull it out with ease. I own a Glock 17 1st genration from 1986 and it was one of the 300th built. It has an ugly set of night sights(probably added much later) and they are adjustable. The mag swells when I put it in the gun loaded but falls out with ease when unloaded. It's a nice gun but I'd rather have a 3rd gen with original sights.  
Hey Matt, Things have been slow so I have to work twice as hard to make ends meet. The Industry has been off as of late but did work on some TV shows. Shop work is slowly coming on line so that will be nice. I like the new things going on with the website looks good. [[User:ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] new templates look great don't know if the rest of the admins had agreed on them as standard. I have been hearing from others in the Industry about the site most good some feel that there are some errors that need to be corrected. I did find out that some film archivist are looking at the site to very weapons and props used in the films which is very cool. A couple have stated we should think about adding studios to the show info so it can be used as a cross reference. I believe that no matter what people believe that IMFDB will be similar to IMDB on the information it has. I have other show that I have screen-capped and hope to post some more this week and go back through others to check them of errors. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
*2nd Generations.: Started in the 1990, they built Glocks with a slightly more curved frame nose, finger stepping and cut notches in the back of the grip. They dropped the swelling mag idea and made mags you could drop straight out of the gun for a quick tactical reload.
*3rd Generations: Started in 2000, they added tactical rails to the frame nose, finger notches for a better grip still(as if stepping wasn't enough?) and a thumb groove.


Now that the mags don't swell anymore, they make plugs to close up those thumb wells which makes sense since getting mud or other crap in there would be annoying to clean out.  
==Buying a SIG==
I may be looking into getting a SIG P220 (45acp). At the gun shop where I bought a S&W 4505 (same as your 4506 but blued, carbon steel). After the 3 day waiting period is up on the 4505, I'm going to take my Desert Eagle up there and see what they'll give me for it. The SIG in question is a two tone model, nickel side, black frame. It had a better grip than the 4505 but it was $50 more (listed at $600) and wasn't as clean as the 4505. Are the pre '96 stamped slide models the best to get and is there anything else I should look for? Is there anything else negative about the post '96 models other than the slide weight? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


As for SIG-Sauers, I've held one a long time ago and other than what I read and see, my experiance with them is poor. I'll have to go and buy a P220 and a P226 and see how they work. My dad has this encyclepedia of guns with every models of all guns made so I'll flip through that sometime. It stops at 2004 so he needs a new book.
:Thanks for the response, very informative. No problem with it being long either. Cleared up a lot of questions. I'm pretty sure it had the older style plastic grips. I don't think it had nickel controls either just the slide. I'll bring the date list with me and check. I didn't really give it a good look over. I just saw that was as clean as the 4505. I went into the gun shop just to see what they had, didn't plan on buying anything. I saw that 4505, you don't ever see them just the 4506 models. That had some P226's too, didn't really look at them. I already have a few nines and was wanting to get some .45's. If the Desert Eagle was a .44 I would keep it, my S&W 586 takes care of my .357 needs. If the SIG isn't up to par I get something else and look into getting one later. Thanks for the help. Also I considered trying to buy your 4506, but since it's a pain for you to ship out of state, I went local. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


I'll add this here because I need to tell someone. I added a beautiful stainless compensator to my M1911A1 and it is great. To install it, we had to ground down the spring cover so it would fit the comp. properly, as the guy I bought it from on Ebay says it fits all 1911s but it was built for ones with guide rods. Still got it to work well. I'll upload pictures very, very soon. The gun needs to be reblued as the slide is a WWII A1 slide and the frame is a M1911 original WWI frame from 1913. I will soon add 3 dot night sights, a stainless long type 3 holed trigger and maybe some hogue finger groove grips(but the orinal 1913 wood grips might just stay). The mainspring housing has grooves in it so it can accept a wooden stock, which I have, along with the 16in barrel, so it can all be legal and friendly. As soon as you respond, I'll post the pic here for you.
::No SIG for me. Gun shop wanted to give me $500 for the Desert Eagle. I didn't handle the SIG again. But I was wrong about the grips. Had the newer style. I'll get a SIG later. I'm very pleased with the 4505. I just wish the grip had a little swell on the sides to keep it from being so flat. I'll post some pics on the forum later. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


Err, maybe not, the camera isn't working right. I'll try it tommorow I guess.
==User 67.183.66.44==
He's back.  I've had to fix almost a dozen pages on which he did edits.  For one thing, he adds custom gun pics to the main gun pages, and then he doesn't even format it correctly. WTF? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for correcting the [[The Rock]] page, I was up til 7:00am screencapping and uploading the movie and my brain wasn't to full capacity. I noticed things like Goodspeeds Beretta had a somewhat smaller barrel and I was ''way'' too tired to find a stock picture for every gun so thanks for finding all of them. Finding good screenshots isn't easy. They used Berettas and Commandos so much in the movie I had over 20 screens each, so I had to drop a few. As for the Beretta 92SB, you'd think I'd notice as I'm the one who made the column of the Beretta page for it. I was tired and so distracted by the grips, I missed the trigger guard and inproperly classified it. But as long as your around to clean up after me, all should be fine. You clearly know more about the Colt Commando than me, that's for sure.  
==Seecamp LWS-32==
I replaced the image of the Seecamp from Weapon Specialists LTD with one from my own inventory. At least it's one of our own copyrighted images. Hope you like it. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seecamp LWS-32 pocket pistol - 32 acp]]


With screencapping the process is very aggravating. I play the DVD in my computer's player. I find the guns based on my memory of the best shots in the movie. I press "P" which captures the shot as a screenshot. I save it. Now after finding maybe 50+ screencaps for the whole movie, I go to my photoshop editor. I take every picture and convert the file from a BMP to a JPG. If the movie is widescreen, I crop out the black bars.(although I just started doing this.) Then I upload every single picture to the site and build the pages and links. I wish I got payed to do it, it's really very time consuming. But it is worth it for the knowledge of other people, right? [[Last Action Hero]] was the worst. I had over 100+ screens and there were 33 guns in that movie and I put them all in. The Funeral section was the hardest part as over 100 people pulled out guns and I identified what I could. The screens for that movie came out well, but the DVd's quality was about VHS and it looked terrible. Hopefully it was worth it though. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
==User 67.183.66.44 ==
I just had to to block him AGAIN for one month. I'm tempted to permanently ban him. Literally the MOMENT that his ban expired, he started making TONS of changes, most of which were stupid and required fixing. Thoughts?  Should this guy get a longer ban?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


==A pic and an update==
==RE: Afghan Breakdown==  
Hey there.  Got a few minutes. When I get a few minutes, I will be changing the several pages where we explore the different natures of guns (the US Marshals page , the M16 page and the Sahara Page).  I will be clarifying the SP1 Sporter to a Colt Sporter Carbine, since I've seen both the version you posted (and the ones I have access to are actually still marked M16A1, so they were converted with a sporter TOP receiver after the fact. I am also going to take another pic of a  Colt 733 that's actually marked Colt 733.  My previous 733 pic turned out to be a conversion of an M16 receiver to a 733 looking gun.  I am also cleaning up the ''[[Sahara]]'' page since I asked a few armorer/experts locally and they all think it's the foreign equivalent of the Romanian WASR-3 AK gun that we imported into this country.  I don't know what the foreign countries called their version, but the best I can do is list it as the closest version that's verifiable in this country. 
In regards to your question I'm afraid there hasn't been a version of Afghan Breakdown released with English subtitles, officially or otherwise. I tried looking for them when I originally watched the movie and found that the torrented version was Italian-dubbed while the only available subtitles were Polish. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 02:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


Here's a pic for you.  Why am I grumpy sometimes? cuz, I am STILL looking at a rack of 24 AKMs that need cleaning.  I still have to clean 17 AR-15 rifles.  And the vault has all the stuff that needs either a major cleaning/refinishing or fixing.  The tagged ones need replacement parts. 
==So are you happy now?==
I'll get one of the Canuck Flat top soon.... ;)
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt 715 aka Canadian C7 Rifle - 5.56x45mm.  Unlike the real C7, this has an A1 flash hider for the sake of a full 'flower' flash pattern]]
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


Now here's a pop quiz.  Can you ID any of the guns in my 'to do list' vault? ;)  Let me know if you can ID any of them. LOL!
==BTW: More pics ;) ==
[[Image:FixerVault.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|click on the image for a bigger pic.]]
I've been replacing a bunch of the lame pics.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:MPIKM72Wood.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|East German AKM - MPi-KM-72 Transitional Rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Savage Stevens 311A Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Ruger10 22.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Ruger 10/22 (Pre-2005 Model) - .22 LR ]]
[[Image:ColtSAA HandOfGod.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Colt Single Action Army Fast Draw Model "Hand of God" - .45 LC]]
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19]]
[[Image:RossiModel851.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Rossi Model 851 Revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CharterArmsUnderCover70s.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|1970s era Charter Arms Undercover with 3" barrel - .38 Special]]


==Long barreled AKs==
==There's no pleasing you ;) ==
Wow! You did it.  Amazing.  No, I don't know what the hell that AK is.  I've never seen an underfolder Long barreled AK for sale in the U.S. So it must be an Australian/Canadian thing.  I guess that's a mystery we will have to bug the foreign armorers about.  Wasn't there a Canadian armorer here on IMFDB a while ago?  I don't remember well.  Anyway, I also hope you don't think I was too harsh re: the HEAT updates.  The vast majority of IMFDB users seem to be guys who are too young to buy a handgun, and some are too young to have a driver's license.  Anyway I gotta take a break and get back to some movie sets here. :) I will try to get pics of the more famous guns when I can.  But my contributions will drop down  until I get some more free days.  Thanks again.  MPM2008
So are all the Canadian shows have the Oly grip on them?  Are you sure?  If they have the A2 style pistol grip, then it's essentially the same rifle.  Also the 715 is not mine so I won't be getting that back to photograph any time soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


==Re: Your Articles==
==What about Stargate and other shows?==
I completly understand what you mean. I'll do my best to add guns to the pages from now on. Like you said, it's a pain in the ass when there is over 30 guns but I'll do it from now on. I'lve just finished screencapping Eraser but I might wait till tommorow to upload it, its been a long day, perhaps tonight. I'll make sure to add the pictures on that one. I assume there's about 20 or so guns. Thanks for pointing that out. By the way, what is the language rules for this site, because I wrote the "F" word on the [[Heartbreak Ridge]] page and I'm not sure that's allowed. The question is right under the picture in the M16 section. I'll do my best to be more considerate to editors like you. My main goal is to make a page flawless and immune to your corrections, but so far no dice. (Although, I'm unaware whether or not you checked the [[Last Action Hero]] page because it had no correction notes. Did I do it? - [[USer:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
There are TONS of TV shows filmed in Canada and I'm not sure that they use the Oly grip. I 'think' Seven days had the A2 grip and SG1 had the A2 grip sometimes. Let me know if ALL of the Canadian shows have the Oly grip, but I am sure I've seen other lowers on the guns in the past. I will try to get the rifle upper back and film it on an Oly lower. YOU KNOW I'm the ONLY IMFDB member who bothers to do that! ;)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


==re:Sahara==
==Deleting Frankengun pics==
''It's kinda strange, though...I wouldn't have figured British armorers would use civilian AK variants that were essentially geared towards the U.S. firearms market.''
I just deleted another one of my pics 'modified' by a member. I don't mind placeholders but the noobs don't give accreditation so I delete them as soon as I see them. People doing 'frankengun' chop jobs DE-motivates me to go out and photograph the real guns, and we don't want THAT to happen. :)  I mean why bother trying to track down the real guns from HEAT if some guy is going to PS Franken gun another gun?  If it looks decent enough the reason and motivation for me to take the time (and irritate my fellow armorers) becomes less and less compelling. Thoughts?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


re: British armorers, I've never met Sascha Robey.  All I know is that Robey did the guns for the American TV Miniseries "The path to 9/11" but only the sequences shot in Morocco.   
==C7 stuff==
I was going to overwrite your old C7 shot with this new image, but then I realized that the naming nomenclature would be wrong and give the wrong impression (i.e. naming the file c7 when the rifle is a 715).  I am looking forward to fixing the UGLY pics of the Diemaco section of the M16 page soon.  Just a thought regarding a movie page, I don't think the rifles in [[Operation Dumbo Drop]] are 715s.  Those 715 uppers were really prevalent in the 1990s when the supply of original M16A1 uppers dried up and everyone stopped making them and went to the A2 uppers.  A lot of guys who wanted the M16A1 look but didn't have an A1 gun were buying what we all called 'The Canadian A1 upper' to build up their guns.  So it's a regular franken gun with a straight ring and light barrel that happens to have a 715 upper receiver.  It's the real life franken guns that trips us up.  AR parts from so many manufacturers are so prevalent that we can be seeing Bushmaster or DPMS or Eagle Arms (now defunct) or Pac West guns all over the place.  I remember that Colt was NOT selling their lower receivers (assholes) before the first Clinton ban, but everyone else was.  I bought over 30 Pac West receivers and built them up into AR15 variants before the first AW ban.  They were about $55.00 (and then jumped up to $400 just before the ban.).  Just a note. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


A lot of armorers are just the 'licensed experts' on the set.  They subrent their guns from large armories.  That's why I don't have screen credit for many majors I worked on, since I wasn't the on set armorer, I just rented them the guns (like any vendor) and we only rent to armorers (''aka weapons wranglers'') that we know and trust.  I think Robey got the guns from Bapty's movie armory of London (just an educated guess).
==Colt cowards==
They were one of the first ones to CAVE when the gun control fanatics started their jihad against gun owners, starting with the Stockton shooting in Feb 1989 all the way to the passage of the Clinton AW ban in 1994.  Colt SOLD complete emasculated rifles with no bayonet lug and renamed receivers.  Colt refused to sell lower receivers upon which to build custom guns.  But that's what armorers wanted.  We swap out uppers all the time.  So unless the armory (like Stembridge, and later CW who picked up a lot of their stuff) bought all their guns in the 1970s and 1980s, from Colt, the most prevalent build up guns would be by other manufacturers.  IN the early 1990s Colt rifles were more expensive than many competitors and also harder to find.  Colt, IMHO, is the American H&K ;)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


When I was going to school at Cambridge University (a long time ago) I did get to visit Bapty's Armory (got to see a lot of the guns used in all those movies shot at all those BIG British Studio stages - like the 007 movies).  Well the Romak 223 is the import name for the 'castrated' gun that our lovely BATFE allows to be imported.  The romanians made a bunch of identical guns for sale to other countries where civilians can own semiautomatic rifles. I noticed that Zahn's gun had (a) a threaded front end of the barrel and (b) a bayonet lug, which usually imported guns after 1990 had to have removed. So it's probably a Romanian export gun that the British armorers picked up that has not been modified to be imported into the U.S. Sigh.... to be able to get such unaltered guns again.  Now we have a bunch of US makers upgrading and making their own AKs, but I like the 'appeal' of getting stuff that's really FOREIGN and foreign built in a factory in a far off land.  Even though the lowly British law abiding citizen can't own Squat, their movie armorers can get almost anything they need. UNLIKE the U.S. (especially California) which makes it more difficult to be a movie armorer every year.
==715 photo==
Just talked to the owner about getting the barreled upper for a shoot.  He will be available in about 2 weeks.  Also I discovered during our conversation. ((I didn't look that closely at the gun because it was a really quick shoot that I had to do in about 3 minutes! Someone put the gun against the white background and I lit it and click off about a dozen shots from that angle only and off it went))... that it was a full Colt 715 kit but mounted on a pre-1989 Bushmaster XM15-A2 lower that was legally converted to full auto fire from a civilian receiver (i.e. a post 86 sample).  There are small 'marking' differences, i.e. the full auto setting word was stamped on LATER.   Does that make a difference? Or should I reshoot the entire gun with a Colt lower receiver? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


BTW: I uploaded a detail shot of the Type 84 with the features I was talking about.  I hope it helps.
==Got an easy fix for the 715==
The Factory Colt 715 has no select fire markings on the right side of the gun.  I can just 'clone' out the markings, though I don't like to do that, (I use Photoshop just to remove SNs if needed, scratches, cracks, oil stains, weird reflections, etc. I try not to fundamentally change the look of the gun, just to 'clean it up').  But I can clone out the Bushmaster Selector markings and keep it blank.  Thus for all intents and purposes, it looks like a Colt 715 lower from that side.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::(EDIT) Done.  I also cloned out a  big fat THUMBPRINT that I left on the upper (oops!) hahahahaha. Don't want to pollute IMFDB's pics with that kinda stuff! :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


best regards
==SIG P228==
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
You know, I've been itching to replace that 228 with a better pic.  That gun was dropped and in the middle of repair when I snapped a pic of it.  The frame was scratched really bad (from a car stunt) and was repainted with black spray paint.  It was NOT the best example to use.  Should we let Joker keep his P228 pic until I can get a better screen used P228 sample?  At the least, it will be a reminder for me to get a new P228 pic.  Thoughts? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
:I opt to keep the beater P228 pic for now.  It IS a screen used gun, but nothing big or eventful, mostly B-movies and I can't figure out where it was rented to.  I will try to get a screen used P228 from a BIG MOVIE from CW hopefully soon.  I will be out of town for a WW2 documentary shoot for NATGEO in the South Pacific again (I leave on wed), so I will not be able to screencap or take pics (only some blank firing Pistols of which IMFDB already has the pics for and a BUNCH of rubber Arisakas and garands for some reenactments for the documentary film crew).  I will be back 1st week of April.  I will be on here on IMFDB, though via wi fi from the lap top from the hotel.  If we get rained out, you'll be seeing me here on IMFDB! hahahaha.  best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
==Desert Eagle==
Great work on the page. :) Let me know what you need help on. I think my brother has Lucky Number Slevin. So I'll check and see if the model can be determined. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah I could give two shits about the video game junk too. Most of them will probably Mark XIX. The grid pattern isn't necessary unless it's a long list. But anyway I'll help what I can. Also that custom Eagle you just uploaded is a USA built one. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah that's what I would do, let the hardcore gamers sort that crap out if they care so much.(Very few would be Mark VII) Also even though there wouldn't be any blank converted Eagles in the .440 Cor-Bon caliber I added it to the specifications to be more accurate.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


I'm pretty sure the .440 version didn't have the flutes. Also I'm throwing a wrench here. But I think the early Mark XIX models at least in the .44 Magnum may not have had fluted barrels. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BSDesertEagle-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we can see the .44 stamp on the other Russian's Desert Eagle Mark XIX. His has a chrome barrel and frame with a black slide.]]
[[Image:44barrel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


==Sahara==
:Why do they prefer the .50 AE? Does it cycle better than the .357 and .44 because you can get a heavier powder charge? Or I'm wondering if the .50 isn't rimmed like the .357 and .44 makes it easier. All this talk about Eagles makes me what to go shoot mine.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help on the typo with the Norinco Type 56-1. As you probably know by the time stamps I edited that at 2:00 am PST and was pretty tired.   Thanks for catching stuff like that.


But Zahn's gun is not the Type 84 despite the fact that the gas tube has vent holes like the Type 65/84 guns. The Type 84 is a deep blued finish, this gun has the semi gloss black paint finish of European AKs, the Magazine is NOT a Type 84 (not even close), but it does resemble the newer Romanian Romak 223 magazines (thus my question), and the front sight is an open top European AKM style, not the hooded .75" spaced Type 84 Front sight and finally the gas block is missing a notch that the Type 84 has and it looks lke the front sight sling is attached to the front of the handguards (AKM) and not on the gas block (Type 84).    '''I looked at a Type 84 before I posted the pics, so I am sure that it is NOT a type 84''', there are too many differences that an armorer just wouldn't do (like repainting a blued gun or replacing the front sight or using a magazine that I am not sure would even fit in the magazine well).   In fact if they did replace the Type 84 front sight block with an AKM sight, you would be able to see the notch in the top of the barrel of the second pin for the wider front sight.  It would be visible.  The smaller AKM sight doesn't cover it on the barrel.  So again I will try to figure out what type of AK it is.  Since Sahara is a newer movie it would well be a recent US built or US part upgraded imported AK rifle.
:I helped identify Desert Eagles appearing in animes and a few video games. Even after this a lot of video games are left, some of which cannot be identified since either those pages have no screencaps to identify the model or the Desert Eagles appearing in them have components of Mark I,VII,XIX mixed together!. I also deleted some video games, films, anime and television series appearing in the page which appeared in red.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 06:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


==Blanks==
It took them a while to get .45 1911's to cycle blanks also. It seems like it would be tough to get a DE to cycle reliable with blanks. Don't know if you handled one and racked the slide. (Fucking heavy). I almost smacked myself in the face after shooting mine and then switching to a Hi-power. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


ON another note:  
:I'll have to search the forum and read your Desert Eagle story. The .357 is the biggest handgun caliber I have shot. I don't go shooting with anyone else besides my dad, so I don't get to shoot anyone else guns. I'd like to shoot a .50 just for the experience. You can't trust internet gun users about gun recoil.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


So what do you think of the screen caps?  I purposely kept the Zahn pics big temporarily so the details of the gun could be seen.  But i've noticed that whenever I work hard on a largely ignored page, THEN people start tweaking it, after I've put in hours working on it and before I'm finished :) what's up with that?  Just the way things work I guess. :)
No it's fine like it is, thanks though. They can click on the image and see who it belongs to. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


(But YOUR input is always welcome.  I haven't shot any new gun pics yet. I usually wait until I have several dozen items to photograph before I go through the trouble of setting up a white background).  Best regards
Also I think I'm going to have a problem with a user on the [[Death Sentence]] page. He made some okay edits. But he took one of my images off the page and wrote he used different gun and renamed some of the image files so they ended not showing up. (I hope I didn't confuse you) --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
MPM2008


==RE: Desert Eagle==
I'll be adding the template to the page. Can you help me with it?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 07:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


== Thanks for the help ==


Thanks for helping out on some of my articles, specifically ''[[The Siege]]'' and ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]''. I just recently got the ability to take screenshots from DVD's on my computer, but don't have either of those. Keep up the good work. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904
== Boondocks Saints 2 ==


== Guns in ''The Siege'' ==
Oh alright, I'll leave it to you. One less thing on my to do list. I'll go work on Ninja Assassin. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]


You actually got a picture of the [[Browning M2]] in one of your [[M60 machine gun|M60]] screenshots, namely the one where it's being fired during the Redhook chop shop scene. As for the [[M203 grenade launcher|M203]], look closely at one of the soldiers keeping the press mob out of the stadium. Also, don't forget the [[Heckler & Koch MP5|H&K MP5]]'s during the bus hijacking/bombing scene. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904


:: Here's the screenshot in question; the barrel is definitely too long to be a [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]]. Note that it also lacks the muzzle brake as well.
== screencapping ==


[[Image:Vlcsnap-182525.jpg‎|none|500px]]
Well I need some help cause I have no idea how to work the screen capture feature on VLC [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]


[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904
==delete==
Need this file deleted, uploaded it by accident, when I should have been uploading over an existing file. Thanks --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:FDTD-00115.jpg


== Good to have you back. :) ==
==From Dusk Till Dawn==
Thanks. The page wasn't really missing any screencaps, but was lacking in good ones. Also I borrowed Lucky # Slevin, so I'll check out the DE used. I think the page is incomplete so I may end up capping it. Plan on adding some caps of the missing revolvers in [[The Killer]] too.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


Backups are automatic and daily now - 4 am every day and automatically uploaded to seperate servers for archival. :)
==Mods & Stuff==
yeah, he was writing snarky sarcastic stuff.  Sounds just like a kid.  Personally I think some of our newer (foreign) members are 'young' based on their actions (and preferences).  For one, I don't like spending time arguing why we should NOT have a section on suction cup arrows LOL!  We always get some noob waltz in and start challenging the rules of IMFDB (Gee, why don't you guys start doing THIS instead?)  Thankfully I've seen some of our experienced (and even some newer members who 'get it') step in and intervene.  It's gratifying to see that we have members who follow the rules and enforce that amongst other members.  :)  the shoot was a mixed bag.  It was really windy and stormy in the South pacific.  Even though there was no rain, the wind gusts knocked me down several times.  I'm only here for a few days.  I leave for Rome for a shoot and then for a gig in Hong Kong. No I don't take any weapons with me ;)  I only act in a paid advisory capacity.  But depending on whether I can get internet access from wherever I'm at in the world, I may not be around for April-early May.  We'll see.  Sometimes the shoot days are so long, that I just crash at the end of the day.  Anyway, I felt like I was the lone mod sometimes (but again, we have quite a few experienced standard members who are doing a good job of reigning in some of the wacky changes made by 'drive by members'.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


You can't merge a page - but you can copy all the content from one to another and then drop a line to an admin to redirect the old page to the new one. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 03:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
== Re: Model 733 ==


I've redirected the pages you requested. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 14:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying this for me. While we're on the subject of the M16 series, would you mind if I went ahead and phased out the older Model 715 picture and deleted it in favor of MPM's pic? It's rather redundant to have two pictures of the same weapon, especially when one is significantly higher-quality than the other. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


==hello==
==The Killer==
Hi there. Just thought I'd seek to clarify the Red Dawn discussion, per your suggestion.
The replica HPs must have been used by the triads. There is one good view of a HP. It appears to be a Inglis, judging from the front sight and finger notch on slide. They were imported into China during  WWII. Interestingly they put an A1 style birdcage flash hider on the Norinco 56. Any of the trivia stuff you learned please add to the page.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:TK-HP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This is during the gun buy.]]


The MISR may have been the Egyptian's name for the gun in their factories overseas (several books refer to it, Clinton Ezell's book mentions it in 1986), but my point was that the Egyptians never marked or called their export gun to the U.S. - the MISR. In fact the only MISR guns that were legally imported into the U.S. (marked MISR) were after 1990 and they were 'post ban' guns, hastily hand 'etched' with the words "MISR" on the trunion.  
Yeah I think that modified revolver may be a Taurus also. Since most of the fired revolvers are Taurus. There are some really good close ups of some of the guns. Makes iding them easy.Other than some text and one or two images that need to be uploaded over. I'm through with it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


I was probably nit picking since I don't know if alot of people really cared which import version was used in what movie. I wouldn't really care, BUT ... when people say MISR, everyone here in the states, automatically thinks of the post 1990 thumbhole monstrosities, not the better crafted ARMs of the early 1980s. I know for a fact that Syd Stembridge (who worked on Red Dawn and I spoke to about it) scoffed and thought of the crappy 'post ban MISR rifles' when I mentioned it to him. He said "Nope, we used ARMs not MISRs".  So even he was thinking about the MISR imported gun.  Hmmmmm.
==Disambiguation page==
I have created some disambiguation pages,eg, [[M3]] and [[Delta Force]] to improve page navigation in IMFDB. Considering the latter I used to hate when I typed to search the video game Delta Force when the site redirected me to the movie page Delta Force with the same name. So I am currently in the process of making disambiguation pages for pages with similar titles to make navigating pages easy. Ben41 asked me recieve the sysop's consent before undertaking this project.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 14:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


Does it matter?  I don't know. I'm tempted to edit out the discussion entirely, but I'm not sure how.  Perhaps a note addressing what the imported versions actually had stamped on them (and had written in their owners manuals).    What do you think? 
:I think we should keep the pictures in the disambiguation page atleast for the guns.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


A little bit of my background: :)
==Lois & Clark: Tempus, Anyone?==
Where did you find the Gali AR? I couldn't find it, but is this the Gali AR (the one being waved by the man in the middle) in this screeencap? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14LC.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]


I was buying Maadi rifles back in 1983 (before Red Dawn came out).  Thus I remember what they were called at the time. At no time had I ever seen the rifles referred to a MISR back in 1984 or earlier.   Sales brochures, invoices, company documentation.  That's really the only reason I was convinced that Maadi did not ship guns to US under that name. 
==RE:RE==
Thanks for the info. I was able to find more guns and a poster of guns in that episode. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 14:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


I own nearly every variant of AK imported into this country prior to 1999. That includes ARMs, RPLs, MISRs, AKS-47, Type 84s, Type 56 Sporters, MAK-90s, SA-85s, Yugo M76s, etc. etc.
==General Information==
Shouldn't [[IMFDB Info - The History of M16s in Film and Television]] be added to GE? It's locked so reg users can't edit it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Another thing, the purpose of the General Information category was so a glossary of firearm terms could be made up. Nobody has created one. Should it just be called Glossary or Glossary - Firearm Terms? I figure a section for gun types, action, malfunction. I'm not sure what else. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


Any way.  You've done a GREAT job updating and posting things. I don't want to give the impression that I don't realize that you're a super contributor.
I added it to general information category. MPM didn't want anyone else messing with that page is the reason why it was protected. Probably best to change it back to that.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


Any way, keep up the fantastic work. :) and looking forward to your thoughts re: the re-edit of the page.
:What about a page for all gun related [[Abbreviations|abbreviations]].--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 06:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


best regards
==Beretta==
'''MoviePropMaster2008'''
Sure. I can do that. By the way I have no idea what type of M16/AR15 they are using in [[Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise]]. Whne I was in the Army we had the M16A1, M16A2 and the M4 carbine. Truth be told I've stopped trying to follow all the different variations. So I will leave it to you or somebody else to figure out. Thanks. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


==I am re-editing Red Dawn==
Thanks on the M4 info. I'll get that added. As you've probably gathered over the past few months my strength is in revolvers and the older firearms. The new stuff I can identify, but all the variants leave me cold. I think I stopped paying attention around 1995. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
It just hit me. I can cut out all my rantings and just put in a note, that the MISR rifle is not referring to the post ban imported version call the 'MISR' and was imported under the name ARM. If that's okay, I'll cut out all the stuff under your original paragraph. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008


==Type 84==
== User talk:99.12.124.133 ==
No problem. I will be happy to hunt down the Type 84 (the vault is big and kinda a pain to go through) ;)  . I converted a bunch to AK74 though (i.e. put on the imported Russian parts and gas tubes, front sights, etc. to make them 'look' like AK74s.  But I might have one left that is not all messed up.  I don't  believe that I have any left that retain the original Chinese 'fully enclosed' sight hood any more, unfortunately.  Will this do?  I can also put the original factory wood back on for the photo.  Do you want it in original factory configuration?  I can also put it into the SAME config as any of the  movie or projects you want it for  (i.e. put hungarian Blonde wood on them, etc.).  Just let me know.  It might take some time, though.  I have to set up the photographic white table top setup all over again and will probably wait until I have a bunch of guns to photograph before I do it again.  best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]


== ''Incredible Hulk'' Grenade Launchers ==
I hate to report this, but this user keeps creating pages with only a minimal amount of information and I'm not sure what to do.  I hate to have to go and fix every page this user makes.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


I was under the impression the multi-shot grenade launchers in ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)|The Incredible Hulk]]'' were some sort of [[Milkor MGL]] derivative, like the M32? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904
== ''Andromeda Strain'' ==


== My two cents on the Hulk Launchers ==
Thank you for your additions to ''[[Andromeda Strain, The (2008 Miniseries)|The Andromeda Strain]]''. I plan to rent & cap this sometime in the near future, but the extra work on the page is appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
It looks like the back end of a Def tech 37mm launcher but the front end of a M32.  Also the cylinder (and rotator mechanism) doesn't look like anything out there.  It's too short to be the DEFTECH but the rotator gear is in the '''back''', not the '''front''', like it should be on the M32.    The Milkors have a 'pop up' back end and the style of the buttstock looks completely different. I think it's a "Frankenstein gun" - perhaps the prop dept. took several Deftech 37mm launchers and chopped and styled them to resemble the M32.  Check out the comparison pic and let me know what you think. :)  Best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008|]]   (P.S. - I don't hang out with the armorers in Canada being that we never cross paths.  I wish I could so that I could ask them).


:Thank you for capping this as well. I was planning to cap it myself, but the help is again appreciated. One minor note though; the name of the M1126 APC is spelled 'Stryker', like the name, not with an I. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 00:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


[[Image:Hulk-Launcher-Comparison1.jpg]]
==Are you psychic? Part deax==
Again within SECONDS of me uploading a hero gun pic, you comment.  Your Jedi Mind powers are starting to freak me out.  I just flew back into the US this morning and I'm trying to adjust to the time zone change again.  I'm also trying to fix the WWS page since I never liked the overdoing of the screencaps on that page.  It held the record at one time, 36 shots of the same gun in one section.  Ben41 and I am working on it since it is one of the most viewed pages on IMFDB. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


I'll send you a pic of that very launcher from the shop.
==AKs and Canucks==
Those AKs built for We Were Soldiers were built in 2002, so they could not have been in anything prior to that.  They were built because the filmmakers, upon learning what we all know about Type 56s, etc. opted to have tons of real milled receiver guns built for the film's authenticity.  The last time I saw them, they were the same color (i.e. wood furniture) so they're pretty easy to spot.  As for replacing the real AK-47 pic, I'm trying to get a pic of a real example from an Army Museum, so that we have a real Soviet one for all those film entries that were done overseas over the years.  I hate those jacked Type 1-3 examples, for one they don't represent what was actually a production model and they're also readily recognizable jacked images.  But since the WWS AKs had that weird wood, I wouldn't replace the other pics just yet.


==Your CZ99 pic==
''BTW, I finally learned why Canadian movies and TV shows have so many Olympic Arms AR rifles''
I cleaned up your CZ99 pic in Photoshop. It's the same pic, but color corrected. Can I repost it? Thanks. [[user:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
....AND?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
mpm


==Editing Dogs of War==
== Heat ==
I am thinking of doing some more updates on Dogs of War, hope you don't mind.  ;)  GOOD CALL! on the "imitation" Uzis in "Raw Deal" and "Stripes".  In Stripes I thought you were talking about "Winger" (Bill Murray) but he was holding an unadorned MAC-10, but you were right, it was Joe Flaherty as the Czech border guard who had the "uzi cover" on the MAC-10. You have an eagle eye!  Most people would have missed that one!  Those guns were 'conversions' made by Special Effects Unlimited, Inc. in the 1970s.  The company did mostly pyrotechnics (Stembridge, Ellis Mercantile and ISS were the kings of 'just guns' back then) and in the movie Dogs of War, they simply didn't have enough real Uzis. (In the 1970s it was pretty hard to get real uzis, IMI just wasn't importing them in big numbers.  The import explosion came during the 1980s.  Movies like Uncommon Valor, Red Dawn, Rambo, Commando, Death Wish 2-5, etc. all fueled an "action movie flood" that also included all of the really crappy GOLAN&GLOBUS movies like the post apocalyptic movies or the Chuck Norris Movies.  Special Effects Unlimited went away in the early 1980s. When I got into the biz, there were about 30 movie gun rental houses and hundreds of trained wranglers in California.  Now there are about five rental houses, with less than a dozen independent wranglers.  Thanks to the draconian gun control that California shoves down our throat every year.  No wonder the movies are all filming in Canada or Australia.  Their armorers don't have the BS that we have to deal with. :(
Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize I had put the Colt under the subgun category. I'm just going in and organizing some of the pages. I want to point out that I'm not changing any of the text or screencaps. But [[Heat]] and [[Ronin]] are some of our most viewed pages and they had different types of firearms scattered all over the page, Guess I'm just anal. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


One of the interesting things is the 'work arounds' that movie armorers do.  We don't have access to every gun or destructive device that comes down the pipe in the real world.  A lot of times the stuff just isn't available when a movie is being made, so we have to 'fake it'.  I remember having to 'fake' the Steyr TMP out of a Cobray M11 because the TMP had just come out and the film's director 'just had to have it', but it wasn't being imported into this country yet.  I had a model builder mold a dummy and then cast it as two halves of a clamshel mold and screwed it on to the M11.  hahahaha. 
== Virtuosity ==


You and some of the other guys have done a great job on that page!!!  I love the screen caps, if I knew how, I'd do it too :D  I don't know if my 'overabundance of information' on the background of a movie is either 'wanted' or 'necessary'.  Feel free to edit if my info seems irrelevant,  but I always try to 'keep it short' :)  I think I can photograph some of the actual guns from DOGS of War, unfortunately they've been refinished, some have been altered.  I'll drop a note when I get to take the pics and post them.  :)
I will take a look again at my screenshots to see if I have them.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


[[UserId#MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
==nice to see you back==
I'm going a little stir crazy here.  A lot of the veteran mods are MIA.  Good thing we have some really great vet users who are trying their best to improve the site.  Hahaha.  I just got the Farcry DVD but I see you already did it.  :)  Does that mean you're back? :)[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


==Raw Deal page and other thoughts==
You have to put up the Raw Deal page(!!)  I was going to do it, but you have all the cool screencaps! :)


[[Image:Vlcsnap-59747.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
== Armyguy277 user page ==
Note that from this angle, the barrel is obviously a thin metal tube (just enough to extend the MAC-10  barrel). It's not thick enough to be a 9mm or .45 acp barrel.  Great screencap! :)  BTW: those were 9mm MAC-10s not the .45 acp MAC-10s.  The nines were easier to blank adapt, and the blanks had that nice hot white flash in front.  They look identical, except for the markings on the receiver. 
ok first of all the k4s were on the page becuse it was the clossest i could get to a C7/C8 and second WTF do you care it is my userpage --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
PS how do you tumb nail --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


I'm holding off putting the AKM shot in the Red Dawn Page.  I'm still looking for one with an original Laminated buttstock.  I'm positive I can take a pic of an 'undamaged' one.  Thanks again for your input. :) It's been a little slow in the biz, but next week I might be getting some gigs, and in July I'm traveling on some projects so I will be gone. best regards [[UserId#MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
==you da man!==
Now that I have some good pics of the gun, I have some chopped Type 56 barrels lying around here.  I can put a post ban Type 56 front sight and an American Krinkov Muzzle brake on it.  I have a messed up  AK receiver that I do parts work on.  Think I should build it?  Don't know what to call it since it IS a 100% gunshop custom frankengun. Do you think calling it a Fake East German MPi-AKS-74NK is appropriate? I just thought it was the closest production AK variant to that monstrosity :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
==delete==
Need to delete this image, we already have an Inglis Hi-Power pic.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


==Type 56==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Browninghipower9mm.jpg
[[Image:Browninghipower9mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power - 9mm]]


(Warning: this is from my own recollection and not official in any way) :)
[[Image:Armyguy277]]
ok thanks


Hmmm. it's a tough one. Since there is no 'official' designation it's hard to figure.  And what always throws me is the 'official name' of the gun around the world and the 'official imported' name of the gun when it was sold here in the United States.  Since this is a 'guns in the movies' site, I usually throw out the book on the '' 'official international nomenclature of the guns as used by foreign armies' '' and noting what the guns were called when movie weapons armorers were bringing them to the movie set. But the trend on the site, so far, has been to list the guns as what it's supposed to be representing (like calling obvious AR-15s, "M16s") in the real world. I just like to have some sort of footnote as to what weapons were actually used and what they were really called.  :)  
==HK21==
I think HK21 needs its own page since it has three-four variants of its own (HK11,HK23,HK13,GR9). What do you think?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 07:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


I've always regarded the 56 as a 47 offshoot. I don't think the other armorers have given it much thought, but I know that they'll always refer back to the AK47, not the AKM when anyone asks them what the Type 56 is based on.
:BTW we should create a set of rules stating whether a gun should demand its own page or be redirected to another page for a gun from which the former gun was derived. Earlier there were many controversies regarding these redirects (though the FPK/PSL thing was my fault, it was actually a AK style receiver on close inspection) and these set of rules will define the place where a gun actually belongs to. For example, like the HK21 the PSG-1 is a modified G3 and happens to be in the G3 page, but it has a sub variant of its own (the MSG-90) and I believe it should have its own , separate page. And by doing this, pages like the AK-47, M16 and G3 will be brief in size too.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 07:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


'''I'll list my criterion and let me know what you think. '''
== New Weapons Infobox Template ==
I just created a [[Template:Infobox Weapon|‎new weapons infobox]] template. Its just a modified version of the previous templates put together (since I don't know how to create one from scratch). It is only in the prototype stage and I will request help from other members, who know more about creating these templates.What do you think about the template? Should there be any new features?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 09:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


''Now we all know that the Chinese barrels are slightly different in diameter to all the European barrels but for the most part, the Chinese Type 56 parts are clones of the 47 not the AKM.''
==Carbines, Repeating Rifles==
I'm getting confused with repeating rifles and carbines and I am having trouble sorting out repeating rifles and carbines in [[Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman|Lois & Clark]]. Here's some questions I have:
*1. Should carbines and lever-action repeating rifles go in the rifle section?
*2. Are semi-auto carbines like the [[Ruger Mini-14]] considered as rifles or assault rifles?
*3. Are carbines the same as rifles?


1) The Chinese started their Type 56 copy with milled receivers.  Around the 1960s the Soviets changed to stamped receivers in the 'modernized' AKM. The Chinese thought that was a good idea, and began production with stamped receivers, but '''everything''' else remained the same. 
I hope I'll be able to sort them out once I find out about carbines and lever-action repeating rifles. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


:(a)  the front sight (.75" versus .5" width for the AKM)
==RE:==
:(b)  the gas block (the angle AND the fact that it is not "notched" for gas release like the AKM)
I just created a separate page for the HK LMGs-
:(c)  the Gas tube (the AK47s have vent holes, the AKMs do not)
[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK_series_machine_guns]
:(d)  the Gas tubes are NOT interchangeable between the AKM and the AK47/Type 56 (I've tried, the angle of the back of the gas tube is different)
As for the template, I'm trying to take the extra space in consideration and add more IMFDB specific content to it.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 09:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:(e)  the pin placement in the receiver itself (the AK47 and the AKM have different pin placements)
:(f)  the smooth versus ribbed dust cover
:(g)  the wood furniture (the AK47 & Type 56 have smooth side crate wood - the AKM has bulged grip laminated - the buttstocks have a different comb and are different types of wood)
:(h)  other than the wood for the gas tube and the pistol grip, the wood forearm and buttstock are '''NOT interchangeable''' between the AK47/56 and the AKM - you need to 'fit' the wood with a rasp and file.
:(i)  in the underfolder stock versions the stocks of the Type 56 & AK47 are interchangeable, you need to modify them slightly to fit the AKM underfolder. Also the Underfolder 'arms' of the AK47/56 are smooth, the AKM underfolder arms are 'ribbed'.
:(j)  the pistol grips for the 47/56 were wooden with a metal border near the receiver, the AKMs were all composite or plastic grips.  This doesn't take into account the dealers or importers who may have swapped grips on their own, I'm just talking about the way they were exported off the factory floor.
:(k)  I don't know if this is official or not, but I've personally tried to swap the bolts from AK47s/Type 56s and AKMs and the AKMs 'stick' when put into the 47/56 guns.  The gun doesn't cycle ''(and it's probably not all that safe 'headspace' wise (hahaha), but it's a lot safer when all you're shooting is blanks.....)''.  It could be the bolt carrier and piston assembly, but I've noticed that as well. 


This is only based on my personal experience, but I'll bet that no one else on the board is as dopey as me and has tried to swap parts between an AKM and a Type 56 and wondered what went wrong ;) hahaha  I DO know that we've fixed broken Chinese guns (from the 1980s) with original Soviet AK47 parts kits and the other cosmetic parts did fit (though we had to take into account the slight size difference between the Chinese barrels and all other AKs).


So in my thinking, the only '''difference''' between the Type 56 and the AK47 (other than the obvious Chinese 'style flourishes') is the stamped receiver.  Since the AKM instituted a lot more other changes than just a stamped receiver I just consider the Chinese Type 56 series to be a stamped receiver version of the AK47, not the AKM.  All the details other than the receiver are "AK47". 


Also there is the confusion of how the imported guns were stamped.  ALOT of the imported Chinese guns armorers bought in the 1980s were marked "AK47", not AKM.  I have samples of Norinco AK type rifles in the 1980s, imported by B-West that are marked either: ''Type 56, Type 56S, Type 56 Sporter, Sporter 56, AK-47, AKS-47, AKS Sporter, AKS-47 Sporter''.  The vast majority of guns were indeed stamped AK-47 or AKS-47. (I can take a pic of the marks on the receivers to send to you).  So many of the imported Chinese guns were marked AK-47/AKS-47 (as a marketing ploy by the manufacturer since they doubted that most of the American buying public would have any idea what a Type 56 was).
==Delete list==


footnote: Only after the import ban of 1989 did we see names like the MAK-90, the NHM-90/91, et. al,  those were the first 'thumbhole monstrosities' to enter the country from China.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_2_frame_10157%29.jpg


Since those of us who were buying the guns never referred to them as an offshoot of the AKM, but of the AK47, thats how I've always viewed them. But there is no hard and solid rule. The Chinese guns are their own 'platypus' hybrid.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Punisher_M1911a.jpg


That's just my 'reasoning' on it, but again, since the Chinese guns are 'hybrids' it doesn't really matter. As long as the rifle types are listed 'SOMEWHERE' on the site, with notations as to what movies they were used in. As has been noted by others, the Chinese guns are by and far the most COMMON AK type to be seen in TV and movies bar none. They were the most plentiful and cheap when they first came out. I know of a prop house in L.A. that was trying to sell of over 400 of them, because they were going out of business (owner died, sons didn't want to continue the family biz). 
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_16_frame_75585%29.jpg


Again, sorry for my long post.  Again, I sometimes wonder, 'when is too much information too much?"  I don't want to confuse the users of the site, but the reality is really complex. :)  Now don't get me started on the massive 'periodic chart' known as the 'Smith & Wesson Handgun naming chart'.... yeow!!!!
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_19_frame_88904%29.jpg


I sure hope it was in some way helpful and informative. :)
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_16_frame_73433%29.jpg


==re: Type 56==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_16_frame_73942%29.jpg


Yes, no offense please! :) hahahaha I figured you already knew all the details, but I had to list them just to make sure that I remembered all of the points which brought me to my original conclusion. :)  I also remembered the problems of trying to swap the pieces in the past and the total headaches they caused! Hahahaha.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Punisher_ShotgunA.jpg


RE: the new page for just Chinese guns - FANTASTIC idea!  I didn't think of that myself and would have pretty much yielded to whatever categorization that you thought best, but that's a great solution. '''Are there any SysOps or other super contributors we need to check with? so that they don't start undoing the page? '''
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Punisher_AcetyleneGunA.jpg


On another note: I will try to take a pic of an unadorned Type 84 by late Thursday night. Is there any other weapon that is not properly represented on this site that I could try to track down and photograph? 
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:VIDEO_TS_%28title_0_ch_19_frame_91493%29.jpg


Again, always a PLEASURE to discuss stuff with you. And I'll yield to what you think is best. :)  best regards
Sorry about the long list. I use to upload over existing caps, but when there are several contributors and they label differently. It's more trouble than it's worth to sort.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
[[UserId#MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]


==New Images==
==Real-Time Strategy Computer Games Allowed?==
Sorry about the delay in the Type 84 pics, but I can't seem to locate the .223 steel magazines.  It doesn't look right without it.  I will continue to hunt for the correct magazines and get the pic.  I just went to the vault and photographed a BUNCH of new stuff. I am also using the pics for marketing purposes, i.e. so that I can email art directors and producers/directors my own images so that they know what the gun looks like, but I am trying to get IMFDB a bunch of ORIGINAL pics found no where else. :)    No airsoft guns here. :) All real deal.  More to come.
I was wondering if strategy games are allowed. There are some that have real weapons (such as Company of Heroes, which I'll try to do) and players can just zoom in to get good shots of the guns. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


[[Image:FNMAG58.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|FN Mag 58 ]]
== Re: Lethal Weapon S&W ==
[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|M249 Paratrooper model ]]‎
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|MAC-10]]‎‎
[[Image:RugerMP9Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|Ruger MP9 stock extended]]‎
[[Image:RugerMP9smg.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|Ruger MP9]]


==Updates==
I was looking at the ''[[Lethal Weapon 2]]'' page not long ago and saw that the S&W was changed from a 5906 to a 659. I don't remember where I saw it (one of the discussion pages I think) but someone had wrote that the 5906 in Lethal Weapon 2 couldn't be possible at that time period so it had to be a 659. And then, seeing as Murtaugh used what I think was the same gun in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]'', that's why I thought it was a 659. But seeing as you've just provided better evidence, I'll change it back lol. My mistake. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
cc'd to: MT2008, Orca1 9904, Charon68 and others... :)
I've been trying to get higher rez original pics to IMFDB for a little bit now. One of the major beefs I have with site like Security arms.org or Guns of the world.ru is that there are some really crappy pics, and lots of those pics are weird hybrid variations that are not good representations of the mainstream version of the firearm.   Though I've had some nice comments from a few folks, I need to verify that it's kosher to try to eliminate the bad resolution 'stolen from the net' pics and replace them with original photographs.  (granted permission by me the copyright holder) Don't know if I am stepping on anyone's toes or if anyone would be offended that I replaced their image (which was 'borrowed' from the net originally) with another image.  If anyone thinks I should NOT be replacing pics on existing pages with new gun images, please let me know.  Do the majority of IMFDB users even care?  I'm fully expecting '''other sites''' to start stealing images from IMFDB when the level of pics goes up. :) hahahaha.


==Zastava==
==Should I have blocked this guy?==
I just did it because the Ak page was just getting too huge, and so many Chinese Aks were being used in films to "portray" Russian AKs that it made sense to put the Chinese guns in there.  The QBZ-97 is just bullpup versions of AKs but it gets its own page.  The Yugo AKs are really different from the other AKs, not as much as the Czech VZ58 which is an entirely different firearm.  I know folks want to keep items to one page with a lot of variants, but I thought the entire series of Yugoslavian guns (all the way from the M70 to the M92 and their RPK variants) deserved their own page.  You never see the  Yugoslavian guns 'masquerading' as Russian or Chinese guns.  They are always seen as weapons from the Balkans or Bosnian conflict.  Of course the powers that be can always slam me down ;)  But I figured it was worth a shot. :)
He's an anonymous IP address and all he did was slowly, bit by bit, delete the entire discussion page of the VG.  It struck me as weird, but I could be tired and cranky so I thought I would asked a few other Mods to see if I overreacted.  I can always life the ban.   
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/72.9.28.64
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


Let me know what you think. :)
==delete page==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Shoot_Em_Up


BTW: on another note, I was going to suggest to the senior staff that pages like the KVAR's bullpup kit for the AK (as seen on the gun page [[Century Arms AK-47 bullpup]] doesn't merit a different page since it is just a commercial after market stock kit that goes on any AK and itself is not a weapon itself.  The same goes for the [[Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup]] ... there is no such thing as a Muzzelite MZ14.  It is a plastic aftermarket bullpup stock kit that can go on either a Mini14,  a 10-22 or a Marlin Camp 9 carbine.  It has only ever been seen in movies with a Mini-14 inside.  It does not merit a separate page since it is not a real gun, but a stock kit for an existing gun (i.e. the Mini-14).  Curious to know what you think of that as well. :)  Always good to hear your input.
Someone started this talk page and had Russian language in it, I cleared it. But still needs to be deleted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


== Re: ''Lord of War'' ==
==SIG cont.==
I checked that SIG out at the gun shop again. They had dropped the price from $600 to $570. But after looking over it better, all over the nickel slide, tiny spots of the finish are missing. Pretty poor gun. They have an all black one a little cheaper but it wasn't much better.


I believe the 400px size is just fine for screenshots, as it's usually big enough to give a good view of what's being shown in the image, and you can always click on the image to view it larger if you want. You don't see full-size images posted in articles on Wikipedia, after all. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904
I found one on gun broker I really like for $575. Here is the description "Sig P220, West German Manuf. This Sig has been refinished by, CCR / Cummings Custom Refinish. There are no issues and was in Excellent Condition prior to Refinish as it is now, low round count and all Orginal factory parts."


== Hey ==
pics.


Hey MT2008, I'm [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]], I seen your comment on my talk page about the most guns in movies like [[District B13]], and I would like to wish you good luck with your [[Hard Boiled]] and beating the records for most guns. I work on this site myself once in awhile, the reason you don't see me much on here is because I'm not as active on this site as I used to be, but I still like to do some screencappping once in awhile. I also want to say you take good screenshots and make great pages, so keep up the good work. Also, are you going to do [[Belly]] and [[Boyz n the Hood]] again? not that I'm trying to rush you to do them, I'm just wondering. And again keep up the good work. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]
[[Image:SIG220-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SIG220-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


== Hey again ==
It's technically reverse two-tone by SIG standards, but norm for others. It's a $160 for the refinish job, not to mention shipping. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


Hey, no problem, and good luck with everything. Good work on cleaning up the Beretta page, it looks much better. Also, you said you like Taurus PT92s, right? Well, I uploaded a screenshot with a very nice looking one for the [[Shooter]] page a week or two ago if you want to check it out. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]
:I've bought a few older guns off GB and I haven't had any problems. (knock on wood) Generally if the gun was really beat up prior to refinishing, it would still show. Also the grips should actually be the checkered style right? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


Yep, I'm one of moderators, as well as Orca, who I'm sure you met already. if you have any problems with anybody vandalizing or spamming your pages, or anything on this site, just let me know. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]
The all black P220 at the gun shop had Hogue finger groove grips, they were much too big for me. The two-tone had the pebble grain and it felt just right. The non finger groove Hogue's may be okay. A few hours before the two-tone SIG above goes out, there's an all black West German one with factory box, papers and two mags. It's in very good condition. It's at $350 right now, I may try to get it, depends on how crazy the bidding gets. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


To space out pages, I notice some people just space out the variants as much as they need to until they get the desired effect, it's worth a try. Thanks for complimenting [[Shooter]] by the way, I myself like the Berettas, I always liked the way they look. And about the M1911A1 page, yeah, that page does need work, especially with all those variants that nothing listed for them. Anyway, good luck with the pages, and I'll be sure to help out as much as I can. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]
[[Image:SIG220-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


==Question==
:Well it looks like I'll be the two-tone SIG owner. I got into a bidding war with the black one above. Bowed out at $475 (it was back and forth). I figure the extra $100 on the two-tone would be worth it. Even if it didn't come with extra mag and box.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi MT2008, I was just reading over your profile (because I like to know those I work with) and I noticed the M1911/M1911A1 isn't to be found on your favorite guns page. I'm not trying to preach it to you or anything, but I practically worship the handgun. John M. Browning, possibley the most ingenius gunmaker of all time, pretty much birthed the conventional self-loading pistol. This pistol was so good, it still stayed in US service up until Desert Storm, when the M9 took over (not exactly a loved desision today). Keep in mind, the blowback locking breach action of Browning's 1911 has been used in glocks, USPs, Berettas, and many other handguns today. You can say it is really the grandfather of all handguns. Yet it can't truly be beaten in basic design. His idea was so good, it still is unbeaten today 97 years later. It's simple, reliable, versatile, accurate, powerful, and it hold 7 shots... my lucky number. And capacity isn't a problem with the Para-Ordinance models anymore. Whoops, this strayed from being a question. Like I said, I don't mean to preach, but I just thought I'd let you know. (Plus, Browning thought up that frame mounted slide stop safety you like so much on the PT92.) As always, I like your work and your a great contributor to the site. Keep up the good work, and take in mind what I said. (Note how I wrote an essay on the .45 on the page. All that from well remembered memory. Double checked of course.) [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]


== ''U.S. Marshals'' Screenshot Needed ==
::No prob on getting back to me. I like the two-tone much much better too. But I figured if I could have saved a 100 bucks or more, it would have been nice. But after getting outbid the last time on the black one, I was relieved --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with something? I noticed that you got most of the screenshots for ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'', and I was wondering if you could get one of [[Robert Downey Jr.]] from it, possibly with him using his [[Taurus PT945]] or [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]] for the article on that actor? It would be greatly appreciated.
==This user==
Check out what this user did to the [[MAC-10]] page, I reverted his edits. Not sure what the punishment should be.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:17, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/69.92.163.96


[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904
== Crossing Over  ==


==Photo request for SIGP226==
Thanks for doing this page.   I was going to do this page, and I started doing some screencaps, but I never got back to it.   I just uploaded the pics I already had done, but you can go ahead and do the rest.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Funny that you'd ask. I tried swapping them in the past.  They don't fit.  They're the same guns, but the finishes throw the tolerances all off.  I can't get a silver slide to even FIT onto a standard black frame and vice versa. I may be able to FORCE it, but the gun won't be fireable.  Any two toned guns you see, were either fixed and fitted by a really good gunsmith or were finished by the factory.  But it's impossible to swap slides and frames on those guns if they're of different finishes.


==MT2008's question re: Colt Launchers==
Though I may be wrong, I have not heard of a COLT manufactured 37mm launcher.  They may have made one, but it is not well known and I can't find any independent verification of it but then I haven't scrutinized all products made by Colt.  The photos on the page show a 37mm launcher, but I can't see any Colt markings.  These look like the ones that were made by RPB/SWD and of course Cobray as far as I know.  Also I know for a fact that 99.99% of the M203 launchers seen in movies are COBRAY manufactured CM203 37mm launchers.  Sometimes we pull out the REAL destructive Device M203 (I have access to several) when a film specifically asked for one where they can see more details (the real M203 is a rifled barrel, the 37mm flare launcher is a smooth bore, amongst other differences)  but most of them are Cobray 37mm launchers.  I will of course yield if I can be pointed to an independent info source or web page that specifically confirms a COLT marked 37mm launcher but right now, I can definitely tell you that all of the 'fake 40mm launchers" I've seen on movie/television sets are Cobray or RPB or SWD manufactured 37mm launchers. I'm pretty sure anything built by Colt would have the Colt logo stamped on the item.  If you verify any info on Colts, please pass it along :)  Sigh. On another note, I guess I will have to photograph my M203s in detail for this site as well. MPM2008


(Edit), Well I've been looking for a while and even checked the full listings of weapons currently manufactured and distributed by Colt Inc, Colt LLC or any of the other possible names for COLT.  As far as I know, Colt does NOT make 37mm Launchers.  Why should they?  They make the 40mm Launchers. I've done a google search and as far as 30 pages in, I've never found ONE reference to a 37mm launcher that was not a Cobray/SWD/RPB  manufacture or the M203 Airsoft model (which some gun writers, or sellers wrongly confuse with a flare launcher.)
Unfortunately, I don't have the DVD anymore, and that's all the ones I got to.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


I am in support of eliminating the Colt Flare Launcher page, since I can find no evidence to support it. Please reply and let me know your thoughts.
==Delete==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:HD-AUG.jpg


==Thanks==
Thanks--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Hope you don't think I'm badgering you.  Just trying to be thorough.  :)  re: research into the CFL page.  Anyway, I really gotta run now, I got tons of weapons to organize and deal with.... and people are waiting for me. :) Thanks again.  MPM2008


==Reply==
== Dear Wendy ==
About the Mossberg 500s, I believe a cruiser comes standard on the gun, os they are most likely 500s with pistol grips or they had the heat shields removed.


==More pics==
Why did you delete [[Dear Wendy]]? That was work in progress, I was still doing the screencaps and now the page is gone! Great, now you really killed my effort. Next time, just wait one single day!
Hope you like the new pics. I've been going NUTS photographing M16s hahahahaha and I finally uploaded the M14 pics that Gunmaster Requested  :)  Hey, I even got a Diemaco C7 ! ;)  I will try to get a shot of THAT.  :)  I can only do a few weapons a day since it takes longer than expected to photograph them.  I did finally get to photograph my Remington PSS 700. I  hope to do the Type  84 sometime soon, but I have to tear some of them down to original configuration and that takes some time.  I want to get better M4 Pics and M4 with accessories.  I  am also going to photograph more of my FALS and G3 variants when I get the chance.  And I will try to figure out a way to do your P226 shots. :)  Best regards MoviePropMaster2008.


==XM177==
==AK's==
Some good news.  I now have Every variant of the original XM177s. It took a while since so many of them were in 'pieces'.   Including at least three variations of the 'fake' XM177s that we see in movies like [[Blood Diamond]].   I am really looking forward to posting good shots of all the XM177 guns. I think that IMFDB is the only place on the web that will have these pics. I may have to get an airsoft gun just to show the difference, since so many of the shots here on IMFDB are airsoft guns (ugh!). MPM2008  ''(Edit: Damned IMFDB logged me out in the middle of my post to you! Weird). Well It's really ME typing this, not some unknown IP address.)''
Any idea what these are? I usually go by the front sight to see whether it's hooded or not. But I can't tell. Also my SIG shipped yesterday, maybe it'll arrive by Fri.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:HD-WP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HD-WP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
Here are some full screen shots. If they can't be identified then no biggie. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:HD-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HD-AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:HD-AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


== Re: Beretta ==
:Appreciate the help.


Thanks for the correction, the 92 FS thing was from the other articles I copied and pasted from to get things done faster, but I'll be sure to use the correct spelling for now on. And thanks for uploading the Beretta used in the film, it's very cool. Also, what do you think of [[Die Hard with a Vengence]] now? --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Also my SIG was supposed to be delivered Thurs. but my FFL guy wasn't there to sign for it, I guess. (gun transfers are a side business for him). So I probably won't be able to see it until Mon. to start the transfer. I hope it at least gets redelivered today. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


There you go, I uploaded the scene you talked about and noted that they were really BB guns, let me know if the screencap is good enough--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
==Spades of Columbia==
[[Spades of Columbia]] I think this guy intended to make a user page. But made an actual page instead. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


==RE:Dirty Harry==
Thank you, I Love movie and know guns, but i am ignorant on computer codes and what not. I'm learning or at least trying to.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
That's what I meant by in full, by actually screencapping the movie 100% second by second. I never understood why people would screencap half a page and then stop, is it lazyness or something? I always go second by second through a movie and grab as many good shots as possible. To me, you can never have too many shots of one gun, as my 15 AKM shots in Rambo II will show soon. I also had plans to eventually add some shots to Saving Private Ryan like how I added shots to BB2 and Black Hawk down just to make it more full and maybe tears of the sun. I'm kinda sick today but I'll try to get Rambo II uploaded as soon as I can.


==Re: Your comment on the Rambo II HK93==
==Thanks==
Though that is a reasonable assumption, there is no evidence that the gun was a 93. When I was at the Stembridge gun room in the 1980s I distinctly recall that there were as many HK33s as there were HK93s. I know, nowadays, that seems weird, but not so weird when we could import anything we wanted back in the day....  Thanks.  The guns which were TONS of conversions were the MP5s (originallyi HK94s), AR15s into M16s and ARMs/Type 56s into full auto AKs.  Just noting ...  BTW: Now that I submitted a shot of my HK33, I'm photographing my HK93.  Sure hope folks (other than you :) ) appreciate all the original gun pics .... hahaha.  best regards, MPM2008
The SIG got redelivered yesterday. Funny thing, it came from NC. I hope I get to look at tomorrow. Have a happy 4th too. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


==Finally put the  MP5A5 in==
==22 AKs==
That's been bugging me for a long time.  The MP5A5 picture wasn't even an A5.  Finally got the correct pic in.  :)  Am staring at a rack of shotguns that I have to photograph for the site, but gotta get to it. :)
Nope there were a bunch, the ones imported by Mitchell Arms, I think, were the Armscorp ones made in the Philippines, and they looked like crap.  Or the Italian Armi-Jager ones, also imported.  Regardless, only the .22LR guns had that style of forearm.  As for the Hudsons, I would demand proof of your assertion.  I have every Hudson imported from the late 1970s on.  They all look the same and they don't look anything like that. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)  (BTW, I'm typing this with no sleep so if I sound insane, forget it)  You know what?  I think they're the .22 style AKs with other types of mags jammed in.


==Saving Private Ryan==
==delete list==
What do you think of the new and improved [[Saving Private Ryan]] page? -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Crazies_S%26W_14.jpg


:Thanks, I can't stand watching the debates but I thought I'd share how I own an  M1 Garand myself. A battle hardened Garand that served in WWII and was then Re-Issued in Korea. It is fitted with the Korea era sling. And the best part. Only $600 bucks! I had a WWII guns phase and me and my father did a lot of searching. Still wish I could get an M1A1 Thompson and a B.A.R. Too hard to get cheap and legal though. -GM
From the trailer.


::I also have two clips for it in my room, one of which is load with dummy rounds so I can cycle it. Most people think the clip pings when it hits the ground but it pings as it leaves the gun. Also, the little button on the left side allows you to do what some rocking chair commandos say is immpossible. RELOAD. Pull the bolt back and press it and the clip pops out no matter how loaded it is. I can also field strip it and clean it. It shoots nice too.  
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:SniperRifle-Leibw%C3%A4chter-Cobra11.png
:And on the A-Team page, I sent a message to Bunni on how only registered users should be able to edit the site. Unregistered users should only view. It would make all our lives a lot easier, don't you think? I'll fix it now.


==Garand Pics==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:CodenameTiger-StetschkinAPS-Cobra11.png
My M1 rifle:
[[Image:100 2842.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand rifle with En-Bloc clip, loaded with dummy rounds.]]
[[Image:100 2843.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The gun is too long for one clear shot! This is the barrel end, note '50s era Korean war sling.]]
[[Image:100 2844.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The En-bloc clip loaded half way in the Garand.]]
:Pretty cool, huh? I'm gonna upload more on my page so everyone can see my neat stuff.


==Edit--
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RassmannSecurity-IMIUzi-Cobra11.png
Removed the old Airsoft pic of the 870 . :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


==Ask and Ye shall Receive==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MP5K-Leibw%C3%A4chter-Cobra11.png


This is the best I can do. My Sigs aren't exactly the same as some of the movie guns by other armorers. They ARE blank adapted movie guns and they ARE well worn, due to abuse by actors and stuntmen but we all know that. :)  Can you use these?  You're the first one to see them.  I haven't even added them to the SIG page because they're special pieces.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DA012-CodenameTiger-Cobra11.png


[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px]]
I told the guy who uploaded the 5 above, to upload jpgs in the future, he offered to re-upload these as jpgs.
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone02.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px]]


==Two Tones part 2==
Also I get to pick up the SIG Thurs. It's one sexy gun. I'm not sure if its even be fired after the refinish, unless the finish from CCR is really that good.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:''Thank you SO much! Those look great, and actually, they look very close to the ones that have appeared in quite a few movies. We can start replacing the two-tone SIG pics that we have on our other pages with these immediately! Again, I greatly appreciate you doing this for me. ''


Here is another one.  I forgot to swap out the silver hammers (based on the pic with John Travolta, so here is one.  I've seen it in every configuration.  Sometimes the factory does it, so there are lots of opposite color  highlights (trigger, breakdown pin, safety, etc.) and then there are the simple 'swap the barrel & Slide' variety.
==delete tag==
How do I do it? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


[[Image:SigP226TwoTone03.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Two tone Sig P226 with SILVER HAMMER this time]]
Got it thanks.  


:''How will I ever repay you?''
There's also the unused file section. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:UnusedImages --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


Lots of booze, gold and women... ;)
== Daewoo Paratrooper ==


:''Out of curiosity, since you told me that they usually don't fit, how did you make them work together? -MT2008 ''
I moved your comment to the [[Talk:Driven_To_Kill|discussion page]]. Thank you for the help! --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


Oh they fit, but you have to force it and they won't cycle.  The black slide SIG, when you pull the slide back (you have to pull it HARD) it won't even move forward.  You have to tap it with a mallet to make it slide forward to cycle a round. Also you can fire one blank out of the gun and the slide will 'stick' back even with a full magazine.  Unless the factory does  it (which they do) you have to take it to a smith to 'fit' the parts. Fun Huh? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
==Limited Time offer==
To only the most TRUSTED IMFDB fellow mods! ;) lOL.  If you have a 'wish list' for pics you think the site needs desperately, shoot me a list.  I've been busy, but I got a STACK of guns that I haven't photographed yet, including a WASR-3 that looks EXACTLY like Sascha Robey's gun, and a BUNCH of just general replacement pics.  But I was thinking you might have a list that you really wanted.  this is a limited time offer!  :D The only problem with getting some of the BIG armory guns is that the guys really don't like it when I bother them to snap pics when they're neck deep in a big movie production.  Gotta tread lightly there. :) On the photo front, I've 'fixed and cleaned up' some guns (and those are the ones I don't put the copyright disclaimer on so you know that I'm just cleaning up jacked images).  Hope your summer is going well. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


==More of your questions answered==
==Predators Guns==
Sorry about that but these smaller questions get lost in the shuffle.
Hey Matt, The guns for Predators was supplied by ISS. I made the muzzle attachments on the Beretta 92 and the HK. Also made the mount on the AA-12 for the surefire grip/light. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]


* Why didn't Stembridge convert HK94s further? Answer: They did.  There were lots of conversion kits available in the 1980s (a lot through Shotgun news).  Paddles and full auto trigger packs with the SEF lowers were also available from many vendors back in the day.  A lot of Stembridge's guns, scratch that, MOST of the MP5s were converted HK94s.  Why?  Back in the day a factory FULL AUTO MP5 was $2500.  An HK94 (from 1983-1988) was about $699.00 at the local sporting goods store.  Wholesale it was about $499.00 Convert it in shop and pay the $200 tax stamp, it's still way cheaper than buying a new MP5 (at the time).   They still used full auto HK94s until they closed (the first time) in 2000.  Alot of the MP5s were conversions done all the way (with new barrels, paddles and lower trigger packs).  Heck, we do that too.  If we have an old MP5 we just put a new lower on it and ta-dah! MP5A5! etc. etc.  If you see more obvious HK94 conversion guns, it's just that those are the ones grabbed off the rack. Or else they ran out of the fully 'tricked out' ones.
==Transformers 3==
Okay. I was SNOOKERED.  Apparently this member LIAM who is [[User:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]] is a fanboy who created the facebook page himself, even though the page says the "OFFICIAL" transformers 3 facebook page, thus falsely implying that it is sanctioned by the studio.  NOT being a sanctioned facebook page, immediately makes it suspect in my eyes and I vote for deletion. These behind the scenes photos were NOT released by the studio.  They were personally taken by people on set and 'leaked'.  The only reason why I did not ban it immediately was because I thought it was an officially facebook sanctioned page. ''' It is not.''' We can get into serious trouble if studio lawyers all of a sudden get pissed at IMFDB and start sending us 'cease and desist' letters to 'remove' all of our screencaps. That would spell the END Of IMFDB.  All because of one fanboy idiot.  But I wonder what you think about the matter "No Harm done?" or "delete" ? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


* Is the SIG P220 Sport from Cinema Weaponry? Answer: No, it's mine. :)  BTW Mike Papac from Cinema Weaponry is off on the east coast shooting some film with Mel Gibson right now, so I can't ask him trivia questions about the films he worked on.  At least until he and I do lunch again. ;)
==public enemies?==
You never disclosed that anything was wrong, so this reference to an 'incident' is a mystery to me.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


* AK Shorty? Answer: I will check with Harry Lu when I see him, but he's working A LOT and isn't in town all that often.  But I will try.
==Screen used gun?==
Is this the screen used gun from Public Enemies?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:John-Dillinger-1911A1-Full-Auto-Machine-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
I did a search earlier. I think it came from this site. http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/tag/pistol/
--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well I think Kilgore thought it was Dillinger's actual pistol not the screen used gun. It fucking blows you can't put the screen guns on the site. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


* How do we feel about anti gun projects?  Answer: normally it's not an issue.  Most of the time, we don't even know the SCRIPT for the movie.  We're probably the lowest level of crew.  Notice how the lowest art director's assistant or 'HORSE wrangler' gets credited BEFORE the armorer does?    But if something is just outrageous, NONE of us will work on it.  A few years back a really  atrocious script was being floated and none of the weapons rentals guys would work on it, me included.  It was very refreshing to see that even guys in Atlanta, Florida and New York wouldn't touch it either.  Can't say  much about the horrible script but it was REALLY offensive to anyone who likes guns in America.  And no one did it.  The filmmakers were astonished that no one would help them.  It was funny to see.  Most of the ACTORS and Directors/Producers are ultra left gun haters anyway.  So we avoid talking to them about ANYTHING other than the movie and what we have to do on set.  It's better that way.
== Re: Public Enemies ==


* M16A2  Answer: I will try to get to it. I have a bunch of real A3s and A4s that I can shoot as well, even though they really look alike from more than a few inches away ;)  I am trying to get a good M4 carbine shot. All the ones that are available have custom crap on them ( like custom flash hiders/muzzle brakes) that very few people would recognize. I'm trying to get ICONIC aka  classic look images of the gun.  On that note, I want to replace that Ruger Mini-30 shot with a factory standard looking shot.  I DO have a bunch of A2s that I will try to photograph. 
Here is the link[http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/03/29/colt-m1911a1-full-auto-pistol/]
. [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


What do you think of the 12 gauge pump shotgun page?  Dumb idea?  Input would be appreciated.
:You're Welcome. And I already know that it was not Dillenger's Gun after doing some research, but I don't really care because I'll never be able to use it. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


Also I think I need to put a separate WISH LIST page together, since I'm getting a lot of requests for photos of certain guns. I wonder if anyone from other gun sites are jealous of the gun pics that IMFDB has? hahahahaha. That's one thing that keeps me going! but don't tell anyone....  MPM2008
==Willis Beretta==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DH3-Beretta92FS.jpg
Didn't I replace this already? Or is this another version I missed?  Help out my crappy memory. ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


==Casino Royale==
==RE: Admin==
Uh dude. you're right and that other guy is wrong. No way it's a Zastava M76.  I think there is a foreign name for the WASR 3 gun (the one NOT imported into the US), but I don't know what it is.  Robey can get all that stuff that good old' BATF won't allow into this country.  :(    Check out the flash hider, the front sight, the foregrip and the grenade launcher sight.   What confuses a lot of people up is that Zastava also has a dragunov like SNIPER rifle also called the M76.
Yeah sounds good, thanks. Another user I'd recommend is User:Jcordell. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Zastava-M76.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M76 Rifle - 5.56x45mm ]]
:Got admin rights now. I just want to say thanks again for the recommendation. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


==XXX==
==Another RE: Admin==
The MP9 is seldom seen in the movie and the non-screenshot pic is better than the shots in the movie. She fires it eyes closed and the muzzle flash and smoke make it hard to see (in pretty much the only scene she uses it). I pretty much took what I could get. -GM45
Sure thing. Very flattering. Thanks.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


==Where Eagles Dare==
Great. Looking forward to it. Now I'll have something new to learn. And now I can create a category for Australian movies. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Nice job so far, you've gotten a lot done very quickly. It certainly looks more filled out then it did before. It wasn't even in proper format to the site. Keep up the good work, I'll look at it more when I finish [[Kelly's Heroes]]. -GM45


== Bad Boys II P226 ==
Also I think Ben41 would be a good addition. He and I have been working together on several pages the last few weeks and he seems like a good guy. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


About the [[Bad Boys II]] page, should we use the Two Tone P226 with the black hammer for the P226 section? I'm asking this because I noticed the hammer was black on Martin Lawrence's P226, it's entirely up to you because I figured you might want it to look as much like the gun in the film as possible.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


== Need some help ==
Thanks for the recommendation. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


Hello, I just added a few more guns in The Unit page and I need some help IDing some of them that I can't seem to put my finger on. Care to give me a hand if you can?
== PNG images ==


-Excaliber
You can delete the PNG images I uploaded now.


== Re:Beretta M92FS ==
[[:Image:Carnosaur3M16.PNG|50px]]
[[:Image:Carnosaur3Sniper2Ak47.PNG|50px]]
[[:Image:Carnosaur3SniperAk47.PNG|50px]]
[[:Image:CarnosaurRanceM4A1.PNG|50px]]
[[:Image:Carnosaur3PolcheckwSPAS12.PNG|50px]]
[[:Image:Carnosaur3TerroristRPG.PNG|50px]]


I just started doing the honors (forgot to log in of course), And thanks for telling me if there were any differences between them. I'm going to watch Heroes for an hour now, but I'll get right back on replacing the images when I get back.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
--[[User:ScratteLover|ScratteLover]] 14:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


== Image name syntax ==
I think we should better make it '''mandatory''' for all the names of the screenshot images being uploaded to IMFDB to have a proper syntax, bearing both the movie/television series/game's name and the guns name. Just check out today's recent changes you will a couple of images bearing names such as 'Blaser R93','UMP' and 'G36C', but in fact they are screenshots. I believe that a proper syntax will group common screenshots together and will not club with a gun image bearing the same name.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


== Should cartoons be allowed? ==
:Yeah, we should make it a rule and display it in bold letters in the upload file page as well.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 15:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


I want to know if it is either no one cares about the fact that cartoons like Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, and recently South Park had been allowed to this site. I have don't think these pages should exist because do you think about the rare guns that appears on those shows and wonder what they are? Cause I sure don't. I'm too busy laughing my ass off to how funny these series are, not wondering if the shotgun Homer used in the Zombie episode was a Winchester Model 1887 or that it never appeared in any other episode following. I don't care and I dont think anyone else should care. We're getting cartoon fanboys that thinks just because Family Guy has an episode where Stewie has a closet full of look alike guns, means we should write a page about them. Those guns are not the point of the show and the artist that drew them obviously didn't take much consideration for them or mention. I think Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, and South Park be removed at once. None of them deserve to be on this site. And whoever puts them here doesn't respect this site enough.
:Sorry, couldn't reply earlier as I was too busy with CODBO. Yeah, that's fine. As I said earlier we should put a note of it in the upload file page as well (isn't Bunni the only one who can do this?). BTW we already have rule-breaker with EliteCrew.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 16:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


==New Pics==
== Image:M1917 Enfield Rifle - .30-06.JPG ==
:''I'm also curious...what would you think of a page dedicated to explaining the importance of your gun images to new users of the site, and featuring examples of your work? It would be linked from the main page.''
Don't know exactly what you mean.  I know that some of the mods have had to restore some of my pics in the past when a new member replaced them with a stolen airsoft pics.  As far as pointing out the movie guns, Don't know if it's important.  Most of the new pictures of guns are indeed movie guns but since I can't confirm what they've been in (I suspect some of the really NICE and clean versions haven't been out at all, being that actors are idiots who  break EVERYTHING they touch), I tend to just like having them here as a crisp clean photograph of the gun (and ones that only IMFDB has and no other website does).    I tend to keep a low profile but only need to have the most active members (GM45, MT2008, ORCA, Alienqueen, Bunni, Excal, etc.) in the communication loop for the most part. 


If you have a specific idea, let me know. :)
Originally I was trying to upload this as new version of '''Image:M1917enfield.jpg''' and I messed up and uploaded it as a seperate image. Can you delete it at once. Thanks. Also, when I uploaded as a new version of '''Image:M1917enfield.jpg''', it showed it as the old version of picture. I was never good at uploading new versions of pictures. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


BTW: just came back from ANOTHER shoot.  An actor who was just standing there in an open field waiting for his shot, DROPPED, my Colt M4 Carbine with RIS rails, L mount and Aimpoint sight on the ONE patch of concrete (left over from a demolished building from 1900) in an entire field of soft dirt. Literally it was 100 yards of soft dirt and grass and he manages to find the ONE patch of concrete in several acres and drops my gun on it. He cracked the knob of the L mount off the gun. This was a pristine gun and yet another actor finds a way to Fuck it all up.  Figures. :(
==Help me out on  House of the Dead==
What would you say this is? :D
[[Image:HOTD-SilverKahr9pocket.jpg|thumb|none|400px| ]]
[[Image:HOTD-SilverKahr9.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:HOTD-Kahr9tone.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:HOTD-Kahr9Shot22Tone.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:HOTD-Twotone-pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Any good guess would help me.  My brain is firing out of sync for some reason when I look at these screencaps! ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
==CW and Die hard with a Vengeance ==
==Re: Helping out with replacing pics==
From what I remember, CW purchased the guns from WS when they were done.  There is a lot of internal selling and swapping going on, but only between guys who are friendly with each other. :)  Now I annoy everyone ;P LOL but I do loan out stuff to other armories who are short of stuff. :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for helping on replacing the new pics with the old ones.  Since I have limited time, I spend it mostly grabbing the guns and photographing them.  A lot of the guns need to be reconfigured (custom stuff removed, classic buttstocks or flash hiders put BACK on, etc.)  Hopefully other members can help with the task of updating some of the older pages.  I do it when I see something but since my time is limited I'd rather spend it getting the list of request images done, rather than spending it editing other pages.  Thanks.   


[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
==Type 56==
I was reading the list of your weapons and noticed you mentioned your Type 56 was "Pre-Ban". Just out of curiosity, are you reffering to the ban on imported Chinese weapons or the ban on automatic weapons? At first I assumed the former but then I realized I've never seen a semi-automatic only Type 56 (not that I have anywhere near enough experience for that to indicate they don't exist). -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]


== Dawn of the Dead ==
==Reply==
 
Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were talking about the import ban but wasn't sure. In addition to the assult weapons import ban I think there was another ban that prevents any weapons, including sporting arms like the Norinco coppy of the Winchester 1887, from being imported from China. I would have to double check that information though. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
Hey, I just uploaded some new [[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]] screenshots, and I want to know if you can take a look at the custom Remington 870 section of the page, and help me confirm that it is an 870, I'm sure it is, but just want to make sure because MPM2008 says he's going to get a picture of a shotgun in a similar configuration eventually, and he says it appears to have Mossberg style ghost ring sights. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 
Disregard, GM45 answered my questions.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 
It's okay, I'm sure you would have did your best. And don't worry, I got your message on the [[Die Hard 2]] talk page, and I promise I'll have some new MP5 shots Friday, and I'm also going to upload some new screencaps for the original [[Die Hard]] eventually, and also replace those Youtube quality shots that are on the page now. And also, do you like the new Beretta Inox shots for the [[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]] page?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:14, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


Oh yea, I saw your message on the [[Beretta M92F]] talk page, and I approve moving it to a different name since it dosen't really make sense to have it titled "Beretta M92F" when it includes 92Gs and 92SBs. Feel free to move the page whenever you're ready.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
== PersonOfInterest ==


I don't think it'll messed up pages with the original links (atleast I hope not) because the M1911 Series page used to be called 1911 and the Beretta M92F page used to be referred to as Beretta 92 and the links didn't react badly to the renaming back then. I'd say go for it, and if anything goes wrong I'll help fix the links.
What did he do this time?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


And yeah, titles linking to gun pages irks me for the same reasons. Some user who made an account when the site was getting started created that trend, I also hate it because when new users see pages like that, they sometimes get the wrong idea on editing and making pages.
== Axeman and Lost images ==


And yes, I'll be more then happy get rid of any pages you don't want. Just send me a list of them, and they'll be gone.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
On the [[Lost]] page, the user Axeman keeps reverting the screencaps back to originals he put up.  Axeman's images weren't cropped and were too dark.   I put up a comparison of his images next to mine on the Lost Discussion page.  I think mine would be preferable, but I want to get some other opinions.   --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


There you go, that should give us a little more server space. I really hate when people create duplicate pages of movies we already have on here, they can atleast check first before making a page. And that Terrorist and Top Ten Rifles pages were of no use to the site, I don't even understand why people create stupid pages like that. Well, anyway, thanks for letting me know about those pages, the site will be better off without them, if you come across anything else, just give me a call.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
==POI again==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest2


Thanks, I'll delete them as I come across them. Also can you do me a favor? Redirect the [[Shoot to kill]] page to a properly punctuated title, I would do it, but I don't really know how to redirect pages. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and banned him, you should look at what he said on the Bond talk page, he should have went to you first and made his plea.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


Also to answer an earlier question, to check what pages or images link to a particular page, go a page such as [[Beretta M92F]], and look in the toolbox, and click on "what links here".--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
==Now that I have Nickel M1911s==
What grips do you want me to photograph them with? :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


No problem, let me know how it goes once you do.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
==gun discussions==
Thanks for making that thread. Unless it has to do with the actual page itself shouldn't the discussions be deleted? Like in [[Talk:M1911 pistol series]] there's two sections "Versus modern pistols" & "Controversy igniter" while it has do with 1911 and isn't a hate discussion, but they're not related to actual page. IMFDB isn't guntalk. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:I don't mind an intelligent discussion, but the problem with it being on the wiki instead of the forums. Some users don't sign their post so you have no idea who's saying what, unless you check the history. Another user change someone else's post wayy too easily. With the forum you can reply with quote so you know which comment was directed to whom. We have much more control on the forums when it comes to discussions, which is its main purpose.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


== Tybalts Gun ==
==Regarding a Mod's removal of a trivia section==
I have contested Orca's removal of the Canadian dogtags trivia from the [[X2: X-Men United]] page citing the rules standards and principles and here is a direct quote from the Rules, Standards and Principles page:


I was wondering if you know where I can find a compensator like the one on tybalts taurus. Thanks
* Trivia related Images: Exceptions are trivia shots, but Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum and should be of general interest to movie buffs and not just re-iterate information that is on the DVD commentary. Acceptable trivia can mention military aircraft, vehicles and equipment in a film or television show or generally unknown information about a show or video game that is weapons related in nature, however small amounts of general trivia that is related to the scene is acceptable.
::Since this guy is anonymous, I can't message him so I hope you don't mind if I tell him on your discussion board MT. Some sites are www.Gunbroker.com, www.eBay.com, www.Gunsamerica.com. Search, search, and search some more. You'll find whatever you need on those. I got a compensator for my M1911 on ebay. -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]


I protected all MPM2008's pictures. And yea, that one user is really pissing me off, he dosen't listen and dosen't seem to know a good picture when he sees one. MPM2008 puts too much effort into his images for idiots to upload crappy pictures (Which they probably found on Google) over them like that. Anyway, thanks for reverting the USP image, I also hope to able to block users back soon because I could really use that.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Orca removed it because it is "Not Gun Related" even though the rules allow for small bits of trivia esp. if they are military related.  
I am forwarding this you because I have messaged Orca, and he has yet to respond even though I messaged him a couple days ago.


==Special page==
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm too tired right now to formulate a good response, :)  But I will get to that, re the new special page, but I tend to lean away from drawing undue attention to my efforts. :) MPM2008


==keeping me honest==
== spammer? ==
Remember if you see an obvious screw up in my updates, please correct it and let me know.  I now triple check when someone brings something up.  :)  I may not have time to do another photo shoot until this weekend.  :)  MPM2008


== Problem fixed ==
[[User:PearlMooney]]


I have good news, thanks to Bunni, we have the ability to block users back, and I also want to let you know that Hieloco is now gone, he'll never be able to upload images, or edit again. By the way, I recommended you and GM45 for positions as moderators.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't know what to think of it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


The position could still be useful to you in other ways as well. Even if you're unable to catch vandals right away, you can still use the priviledge to delete any pages you don't want or protect them. It's entirely up to you, if you're not interested, just let me know, and I'll tell Bunni.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
==Did you see this?==
[http://www.originalprop.com/blog/2008/06/21/little-johns-auction-service-june-2007-event-catalog-the-world-famous-]


== Just made you an Admin ==
Ben sent this to MPM, it's quite an extensive list. Not all of it seems like it would be correct like a Desert Eagle is listed as being used in Predator (which they did), but also [[The Deer Hunter]]. It wasn't even around yet. But in some, it could be useful, like it says a Glock 21 was used in [[Eraser]] instead of G17 that we have listed. It also had the shotgun he used but the folding stock is gone. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


You'll now be able to move pages, ban users and protect pages and images. :) [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 03:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Another thing I didn't get, both the DE's shown had 14" barrels, I've never seen one used in a film. (Always the standard 6", would be cool if they did.) In [[Predator]] and [[Extreme Prejudice]] they both had DE's but neither showed them with those barrels. I guess the frames and slides were used in the film but the barrels changed out. Also the G21 in Eraser has the dummy suppressor used so that's probably correct. I scanned through most of it, I would guess 80% to 90% is probably correct. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
::hmmm.. I haven't seen Eraser in a while. Was the scene of him loading the gun an insert shot? That may have been the reason for the different Glocks, but they all look alike to me anyway :). I stopped in my local gun shop yesterday and handled a Gen2 G21 and Springfield XDM .45. The XDM while it felt slide heavy it had so much better of a grip than the Glock. I'm not sure if the SF version and Gen4 would be much of an improvement. I hate to even stop in there, there is always something I want to get. They have S&W 1911 Commander I really really want. Thinking about trading in the DE and Para to get it, I'm tired of those guns. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


==Beretta Inox flashpaper gun==
==M1911A1 disclaimer==
It's funny how you uploaded the ISS Beretta Inox, because I'm making the punisher page now and Travolta uses that gun. -GM
: I also have an ISS .45 uploaded on [[A Beautiful Mind]] if you need it. -GM
Whatever is easier for you is fine by me. I'll make sure to check it out when your done. - GM
: I knew that blanks expanded like that, I guess I just saw what looked like a live round. Whoops. -GM


==non guns==
I'm thinking about adding this to the [[M1911A1]] section. LMK what you think. I'm not really satisfied with the wording.   
Awesome work on the page.  Don't know where you got the pics of the devices, but they're very well known around here.  And I think they're particularly fugly.  ISS is all hot shit on the fact that "They" have the only "NON" guns. Now you know that no one OWNS a Panavision camera. They are all OWNED by Panavision and owners/rental houses/etc. only '''lease''' them from Panavision.  Just like most of the DOLLIES used in tracking shots, these items are never sold, only LEASED and can be 'recalled' to the parent company at any time.  Well NON guns are only available from one place.  Other armories cannot ever buy them.  We can only subrent them.  This new page may not be particularly pretty (the guns are pretty ugly) but it is an important educational element to understanding weapons in films.  Usually they're used in places where  you can't fire a real gun but need a flash (I filmed in a building right next to a children's hospital and no blanks were allowed), I know of friends who did shoot outs right outside the WHITE HOUSE, and the secret service would only approve of the non guns, and most of the time in NYC, who has such F$*(&ed up gun laws, that most actual gun fire sequences in major motion pictures are done OUTSIDE of the limits of NYC.  Great work!  IMFDB is getting to be THE definite "weapons in movies" info page!


==Pics==
''Note many in the list below could actually be Colt Mark IV Series 70/80 Government Models, Springfield Armory, or another manufacturer. Instead of a former military issued M1911A1, unless its a war film. Since the markings of the gun aren't always clear, M1911A1 is a catch-all term. Being most 1911 manufacturers pistols are based off the M1911A1 platform.''  
Sorry, I've been really SICK for the last ten days and haven't had a time to set up and take pics of guns.  When I sit down and rest, i've managed to upload just some files I already had prepared on my computer, but it was just being able to sit down and do stuff that made it possible.  Yeah, I know, gun pics are all I'm good for ... ;)  Also it's been crazy busy around here.  I'm tempted to start making up an "Hello IMFDB" card and start taking pics of actors/actresses in motion pictures holding it and posting them here as a giggle.  Usually also holding a movie gun as well. You guys tell me what to put on the card, and I'll start taking it with me to sets, and get famous actors to have their pic taken holding it.  I was thinking the IMFDB logo.  Again it only works if I can get people to take out a few minutes to do that. The last several productions have been insanely busy and last minute.  Usually I get called to the set to bring a gun to an actor, literally SECONDS before the camera rolls. Of course I do a training and practice session if they're firing it, but when I'm handing off an obvious deactivated gun or non firing prop weapon, usually it's totally last minute.


== Re: Screenshots ==
--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


Okay, I'll leave them alone. I also spotted some very good [[Ronin]] screenshots that MoviePropMaster uploaded, want me to leave those as well?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Usually we can spot the Model B. but they could slip by. The Mark IV Series 70 in 9mm while it was available they aren't all that common, I very rarely see them come up for sale. (maybe the armories bought them all). Also while it's hard to do because of the breech face, a .45 can be converted to 9mm. Maybe with a blank conversion it's very common. Because they are doing all kinds of filing down and such. This is from the [[Cobra]] talk page. ''"I would say that it's one of Stembridge 9mm conversions of a Colt Series 70 Cold Cup. I have seen some of there barrels in the junk bin as they '''converted 45 to 9mm'''. I will check it out tomorrow the 18th and get back to you.- [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]"'' A lot of them being chambered or converted to 9mm sounds like good mention. But when did actual .45 1911's become reliable with blanks? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Yeah, I noticed some of the Grand Theft Auto 4 pictures that were on the site before the Great Crash, I'll leave them there for use in the future. do you want me to get rid of the old Hulk Screenshots?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I remember MPM saying they often borrow from each other, so certain rare variants may come from specific armories. Looking at the Stembridge auction list, in Magnum P.I. and Blues Brothers they used 9mm Series 70, while a lot of Seagal films had .45 Series 70. So I guess it wasn't until the mid to late 80s .45s were reliable enough to be used. In the auction list there was also several Series 80 9mm that weren't converted to blanks (I guess future conversions). I'm going to ask Phoenixent what was the most common 1911 model in Stembridge's inventory. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Steve gave me a bunch of useful info. I'm going to use that disclaimer as I have it written, then expand on it later with the 9mm stuff. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Should we just use the summary Steve made? Maybe take out just the info the regarding Stembridge's inventory. Somethings could be reworded but we would have to ask to Steve if that's okay with him. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


Good Job, Now that most of them are gone, we should have a ton of room for new and better images. And I agree, seeing how Chaos was, there's no telling how many more extra gun images are out there, I'll be sure to keep an eye for anymore like that because happen to noticed you deleted like atleast three Beretta 92FS pictures. And yea, I really wish people wouldn't upload extra gun pictures, especially when we have the ones MPM2008 taken, there should be no need for them to upload their own images. I'll be sure to check the Revolver page as well.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
The only thing I reworded was the 45 to 9mm conversion and took out the info about Stembridge. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


==Okay the ugly gun has a good looking cousin!==
In early gangster films Colt 1911's were not converted to blanks but were still live fire weapons. This was before live rounds were prohibited on film sets. The 1911's and 1911a1 are a delayed blow back weapon and were more difficult to convert than the straight blow back pistol like the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. The .45 ACP blanks were made from a cut down .30-06 cartridge and were mainly used in the Colt Thompson Submachine Guns but the 1911 had some issues due to the hard rifle primers. So most 1911 and 1911A1's used in films prior to 1950 fired only one shot since they were not converted to blanks or a mock up 1911 that has a small revolver inside an aluminum shroud to stand in for a 1911 when firing multiple rounds. About 1950 the Star Model B was brought in to the US for sale and several studios and armories purchased these since 9mm blanks worked and a conversion on a delayed blow back weapon was developed. From 1950 through the mid 80's the Star Model B, Colt 9mm and Colt .38 Supers with a 9mm barrel were used. Around 1985 a new .45 blank cartridge was developed that used a large pistol primer allowing the armories to activate their 1911's to fire reliably. Conversions from .45 to 9mm were tried prior to this but had problems due to the larger breach face in the 45 slide compared to the 9mm slide. The rentals of 9mm 1911 pistol have slowed down since the .45 came on line but they still go out on shows when a Propmaster wants to limit the amount of different blanks on set.
you asked for this a long time back .... BTW, got the Type 84S as well ....
:Alright check the rewording. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:NorincoType84SRifle.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|600px|]]


== I don't understand ==
I apologize if I offended you, but I've seen MANY pages that have witty remarks on them, and saying "Rulers are SO 1950's" I don't consider offensive. I have written comments like this before, and no one ever cared. Again, I'm sorry, but I'd appreciate an explaination of why it was "Vandalism".
--[[User:Glock172|Glock172]] 05:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


== Thanks ==
==Golden closet credit for Scarface shotgun==
Curious as to why we credited them when we really don't have any of their stuff on the page (i.e. the photos of the Zebala shotgun).  Those are all mine.  I thought we credited them and made links for them when we used their photos.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry about the stupid anon, IMFDB tends to log me out mysteriously when I'm typing.  You were right to assume that since no other person would claim that the photos on the page were theirs.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Are you going to answer my question or not?  There is a notation about the shotgun "This exact weapon was also rented to film and television productions prior to and after the release of Scarface." but no other information is offered.  GC's website doesn't list any other credits.  Also the tribute to GC is listed twice.  Once on the paragraph and again on my photograph. This portrays the erroneous impression that they provided the photograph.  I am removing this section (blurb on the photo).  Also the impression is that they are the only ones to document the screen usage of the gun, which again is untrue.  we can list a link to their auction, but they really did nothing other than offer additional documentation on the weapons we already had on the page.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the PSG pic
==Tricky wording==
Well you don't want to overpander to GC.  The wording sounds like you're giving them credit for my work which as you know, can cause problems.  I intend to do some editing of those sections which are overtly offensive if it's alright with you. MPM


==Question==
== Category:Movie ==
I have some SR9 sniper rifles.  These were actually 'built' up from HK91 rifles back in the day (alot of the movie guns are 'built' rather than factory stock.  I'm sure you know especially the history of the "MP5 versus the HK94 conversions" or the endless "Type 56 versus every AK variant on the planet".)  As far as a 'historical reference of the real guns' "Hollywood guns" fall short.  My "SR9" upper receivers don't have the forward assist of the actual SR9 guns, but everything else is correct.  Is it wrong to post the pics?  These guns HAVE been in films and TV shows in the past.  The SR9 pictured was in "Nash Bridges" at least once.  (edit) and you can see the same SR9 style gun used in SNIPER with Billy Zane, But real gun aficionados might wonder why the upper receiver looks more like a 91 versus an SR9.  I will try to get a REAL SR9 rifle and post that pic, but I'm torn, being that we use built up SR9s in American movies and tv shows, though some other armorers have the 'real deal'. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


==Type 56 underfolder==
I added the a to z function to it, but it's not centered, any ideas?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Type56MuzzleBrake.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
:Also it works for all pages not just movies. I'm not sure how to create a new one that works for films only.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I just saw GOLDENEYE again this weekend on the television and noticed that the 'cuban' soldiers at the end had Type 56 rifles under folder style with those fake AK74 muzzle brakes on them.  So I popped a fake AK74 muzzle brake on one of my Type 56 underfolders and took a pic (for the Goldeneye page).   Just a note, all of my own bolt carriers have been blued (after the fact).  I should have kept some of them 'silver' for times like these. I will try to track down an  unmodified bolt carrier and reshoot some of the guns so that they look stock. The Type 84 has a blued bolt carrier and the original factory model does not.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::The Movies Guns Actors etc is okay, but the alpha list isn't for some reason. Maybe it's the computer? I took the a to z list from the main page which is centered for me. I don't know, I'm not worried about it too much, an anonymous user wanted the list there. Also have you talked to Chris about all the spammers on the forum?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I logged out and it's fine! Do you see the advertisements when you're logged in? I don't, I thought I was missing out when y'all when talking about them and I didn't see them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Yep that's what I was talking about and you do see the ads. Go to your preferences (beside your talk page) and change the skin to modern. Instead of your stuff being on the left it will be on the right, might take out the ads too. I never see any ads when I'm logged in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)


==SR9s and AKs==
I messed up I meant to say your user page, talk etc instead of being on the right it will be on the left. (Typing and thinking at the same time is hard for me) Even though you don't have the IMFDB logo. I have used the modern skin for the longest time. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The SR9 in the Replacement killers is a built gun.  It has a different lower (see the S-F versus the 0-1) but it doesn't seem to have the forward assist that the SR9 should have (look at the PSG1 to see what the forward assist looks like).  But 99.99% of the SR9 guns in  movie inventories are built guns.  I've only seen authentic guns in foreign movies with foreign armorers.  I don't have the exact right Buttstock for my 'faux' SR9T. Is that too distracting?  It's been used in films as an SR9T despite the fact that it's a SG/1 buttstock.  Again, hollywood 'secrets' are being shattered on this site.  But this is not a 'history of firearms' site, in as so much as it is a 'Firearms in the movies' site. And the reality of films is way different than that of guns in the real world, many times. 


You're right about the Cuban soldiers. I watched it again on DVD and though in some angles (the forest near the satellite dish) the mags seem dark, it could just be the angle. I will change the AK Underfolder shot... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
==AK buying==
It will be a few months away, but figured I would go ahead and nag ya. (I just bought two Korean 75 round drums that were one sale for $50 apiece from AIM, so I have got to get one to make the drums worthwhile) You said the Chinese Poly Techs are great and I think it was the Hungarian's too? Used or new doesn't really matter. I didn't want to spend more than $800. But if the right one came along I could see spending a little more. This one on gunbroker looked great, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=205633083 What about the Norinco's? Besides the Arsenal Saiga are there any in current production worth looking at? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:cont... Alright I did a bit of searching on prices. Whoever listed that Polytech Legend for a 1k, fucked up. Most list at 2k or close to it. In the book of gun values they list the standard Poly's at $1300 (100% condition), the Legend at $1900. I don't really care whether it's milled or stamped, but fuck that was a good deal.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::No that wasn't me sadly. I was searching completed auctions and that one came up, it sold at the beginning of Dec. I have gotten a few good deals, but I'm never that lucky. My username on GB is Predator20 also. Yours is a Legend but has the the stamped receiver? I'm just reading from the Gun Values book it says the Poly Tech AKS is the semi-auto version of the Chinese AKM (Type 56), while the Legend is the semi-auto version of the original AK-47 which I thought meant milled only.


==SR9==
::Yes it's amazing what banning a firearm can do to prices, the PT's last MSR was $400 and $550, but that was 20 years ago. All the current PT prices on gunbroker seem out of line, of course that's because of that one above. It will a few months before I'm able to get one. Unless that super great deal comes along. Even though there are plenty of cheap ones around, I'd rather spend the few extra dollars and get better quality.  --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:''I figured since the SR9 used to be a readily available civilian "assault rifle", armorers would use it. ''


Available yes, readily available no.  Since only 125 TCs were imported into the entire USA and only 100 T models, most of these were snapped up by either law enforcement or collectors.  Clinton put a stop to their import since they could accept 'high capacity' magazines.  I tried for years ever since they started coming out to get a real one but couldn't just because they were hard to get (at least on the West coast).  It also depended on which distributor one was cozy with.  Since the rifles themselves were all built on HK91 receivers anyway, it was easier to get the parts and convert existing HK91s. Since THESE guns have impersonated real TC guns I figured why the hell not?  The screencap of Billy Zane in Sniper is one of these very guns. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
==AKMS vs Norinco==
How many times are you going to change that page back? :) That slant muzzle brake throws people off, if I was you I'd tell Ben. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:I have corrected him a few times on 1911s, particularly the Low Down Dirty Shame page. AKs are your bag. As much work as he does he deserves a little slack.


Thanks for the help on [[Four Brothers]]. I think there's also a "Non Gun" Glock in the Glock 17 section if you want to look at that.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 06:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Also even though I heard good things about the Russian Arsenal AKs, a guy on youtube did a video on one, he couldn't swap parts from his WASR and other AK onto it. So Arsenal made them so you would have to buy their parts, forget all that.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


==worries==
== Norinco Type 56 section ==
:''Hope it doesn't bother you that we're unmasking all of the various tricks that you armorers have been using over the years to convince moviegoers they're seeing one gun when it's actually another!''


I was just worried about places like the HK forums with all of those HK enthusiasts.  What concerns me is that some people in the firearms community, who are purists, won't understand that IMFDB is not a 'gun history' site per se,  but a "history of guns in the movies" site.  I actually got worried that HK aficionados would be offended that I had posted images of 'built' movie guns that closely approximate a specific gun, like the movie built SR9T guns rather than getting a bonafide SR9T... when I actually stop to think of it.  I will really try to get the real deal in a photo (borrow them from collectors if I have to), but in reality, (just like having Type 56 rifles or Maadis impersonate the REAL AKs in films), movie guys impersonate a few guns, just because it was easier to do so at the time.  Like the Fake XM8s in xXx:State of the Union, it all seems so 'fake' when it's revealed to the public, kinda like a magician's tricks.  As far as bothering me, no, it is information and cinema history  that needs to be collected and shared.   I just feel a little weird presenting to gun people ''"Here is a fake Machine gun '_ _ _ _' that we had to build from plastic and metal parts because we didn't have access to the real one (like the DShKs)"''  If you get my meaning. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Should we add a note saying the Type 56 was originally manufactured with a milled receiver, since we don't have a pic of one? A lot of the Vietnam films with Norinco's generally have the milled. [[Platoon]], [[Uncommon Valor]], [[Good Morning Vietnam]].  
[[Image:GB VC AK47 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A VC Guerrilla trains his AK-47 on 'Doc' Jordan ([[Austin Farwell]]), giving us a good look at the muzzle and forward stock that confirms it as an AK, rather then the Chinese variant, the Norinco Type 56.]]
Isn't that a Type 56 above? the front sight looks hooded.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


==New pics==
==Hacker's shotguns==
Well I finally got the M16A2 done, I'll get the A3 and A4 as well as a Diemaco done soon. Finally I got to replace my old HK91 pic! :) woohoo!  there was a shadow on the upper handguard that bugs me. Does it bug you?  The lights were too close and didn't cover the entire rifle.  It's not a stock HK magazine, though, it's one of those Taiwanese Blued 30 round magazines that were imported in the 1990s. I'm pretty happy though, I think this is one of the best pics of the HK91 on the web right now. ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't think those are 870s.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 07:25, 9 March 2011 (MSK)  
[[Image:HK Model 91.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:S&W3000shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:Hackers-870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bolt doesn't look rounded like the 870s, the forend reminds me of the Smith & Wesson 3000. Which are close to the 870.]]
[[Image:Hackers-870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Agent with a Remington 870 tries to restrain Joey when he tries to stop another Agent from taking away "Lucy" (his computer).]]
[[Image:HatsanGuardWithBrownSyntheticStock.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Hatsan Escort Guard Shotgun (standard finish) - 16 gauge (Brown Synthetic Stock)]]
[[Image:Hackers-870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This one has an extended tube, but it looks to be one piece (like they way Ithaca's are). 870s with tube extensions are always two piece, at least that's the way they are on the 12 gauge models. This doesn't look like a 12 gauge so that could be it.]]  
:edit I think it could be a Hatsan, not sure if the earlier models had an unsupported tube. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:16, 9 March 2011 (MSK)


==Luger P08==
== Hackers Black screen? ==
(posted this to Alienqueen as well) :) .  I finally posted a pic of one of the Lugers we have in inventory.  Apparently this is one of the Luger P08s used on the Television show "Hogan's Heroes" in the 1960s.  It sure is beat up.  Though that info is third hand is the only reason I don't post it because I don't have the info directly from the source.  The Barrel was replaced about 20 years ago for some reason, which is why the finish doesn't match.  It's a bit of TV history, thought you'd get a kick out of it.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]


==Congrats==
For some reason, the following screenshot comes up as a black screen. It was a screenshot showing the M16SP1 from the movie [[Hackers]].  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:41, 9 March 2011 (MSK)
Congratulations on the upcoming P226! I wish it was as easy to buy a handgun in NY as it is in Texas. NY sucks with gun laws (gun control laws are bullshit). If my dad wasn't a liscense FFL dealer, I'd have pretty much no chance of enjoying the guns I enjoy now.
[[File:Hackers-M16SP1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Secret Service enters Grand Central Station, as seen from above. The SWAT officer circled in red appears to have an early M16 (recognizable by the "slab side" receiver), instead of the M16A1s and M16A2s used by the others.]]
: I got [[Last Man Standing]] finished and I'm going to do [[Shawshank Redemption]] and [[Hotel Rwanda]] soon. Then I'm going to try to fully do [[The Dirty Dozen]] and then I've only got 10 more movies on my list to do. (including the The whole yards movies, some war movies, and Blazing Saddles.) I'll try to get them all done by the end of the month.
:Man I tried to re-upload this. To see what I would get. I get this warning message repeated several times. "Warning: imagesx(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/imfdb/public_html/w/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231" Something about that image this site doesn't like.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
P.S. Not to get political, but I hope Biden keeps his Assault Weapons Ban to himself, because not many know he wrote Clinton's ban. If he focuses on gun control during Obama's term, we are majorly fucked (excuse the language). -GM
::My father is the same way with assault rifles. He says he doesn't like guns designed to kill. Splitting hairs there. Biden's ban is ridiculous though, he believes any semi-auto gun is considered an assault weapon, including the Browning A5 and the Ruger 10/22! It is foolish and I can't say anything threatening about him because he is VP, but I STRONGLY DISLIKE HIM. [insert uber-insulting text]. I don't understand how people like him make it into office. Dammit, I started a political discussion. -GM


==Taurus  85==
==Street Kings/Dark Blue 1911==
:''There's only one that troubles - I think the newer Taurus 85 image is a bit fuzzier compared to the old one. ''
I think it's the same one, (all the features match anyway), I figured the guy who uploaded it would put it on the Street Kings page. Also a South African armourer signed up on the site. Lance Peters, he's going to get some pics of the modified Vektor R5's mocked up like AK's. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CDT)
WTF?  try refreshing and looking at the file again. That might fix it.  The new pic is way clearer than the old one. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


==G3 page==
== Forum topic ==
Ugh. Looks like Kin93 added some pics, but I'm not sure if we need to list ones that don't appear in any movie or flick.  What are your thoughts?  Also the formatting of the G3 page is going all to hell.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


==emasculated guns and a discovery==
I'm waiting for approval to post on the forums, and I don't think Burt has quite explained what he's doing: he opposes the use of the ''term'' "RPG" to describe anything but RPG-X weapons, because he thinks you should only read it as the Russian meaning rather than the more common "rocket propelled grenade" (which I'm fairly sure the US Army would have some issues with, since they call projectiles and launchers RPGs all the time). He's therefore removing all references to the Type 69 or its projectiles being RPGs, which isn't correct. While you might not always say "Norinco type 56 assault rifle" you wouldn't remove the words "assault rifle" from a caption because it was ''wrong''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:41, 13 April 2011 (CDT)
Well, none of the armorers that I know have those castrated thumbhole HK "Sporting purpose" guns with the neutered forearm (designed to not resemble a "military forearm" woooooo Scary.....).    I mean, we don't have pics of all the THUMBHOLE monstrosity AKs (the MAK-90s, the NHMs, etc. etc.) that  were imported in the 1990s.  Because they weren't used for the most part (I do know of some B movies which had them, but until we list those films, I don't think we should have the pics). It's a bit like all those weird Cutaway shots of guns that have NEVER been in a movie. What's the point?  It just clutters the pages and site and doesn't educate anyone about guns in films.  


BTW: I found one of those long barreled mystery AK folders I was mystified by in "stealth". Well I don't have it now, but I will try to photograph one when I visit one of my Canadian armorer friends in January. It's the Norinco Type 84 Target Match rifle (with either full stock or folding stock). Very FEW got into the U.S., but they were heavily imported into Canada (that is until the Montreal Massacre of 1989 when that psycho Marc Lépine murdered 14 female students with a Mini-14, however, it took the Canadian government until 1995 to ban Semiautomatic long guns in Canada). So the Canadians had five more years of importing ugly guns than we did.  Anyway, my gun control vent is off now ;)  I will get a shot of the long barreled Norinco Type 84.  :)  woo hoo. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
*Further to that, here's something fun: PersonOfInterest's last activity is [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest 26th August 2010]. He made a new account and came back (and got banned again) just under a month later on [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest2 September 28th]. [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=BurtReynoldsMoustache Burt's first edit is a month and four days later] and he's soon back to editing Goldeneye and the N64 The World Is Not Enough, which were POI's weird little obsessions; he also remembers me as a "troublemaker;" PersonOfInterest was fond of calling me that. [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=PersonOfInterest&page=&year=&month=-1 PersonOfInterest uploaded exactly 9 files in his whole time here, none of then screenshots]; so far, Burt has uploaded absolutely nothing to the site since last November. He also has that POI quirk of often taking two tries to sign talk page edits, if he bothers to sign them at all (look for places where he edits a talk page twice in a row, including his first two edits). Interesting, huh? Another little thing: [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:007:_The_World_Is_Not_Enough&diff=prev&oldid=363154 the user who posted the top comment was PersonOfInterest]. How come "both" of them think this is the right way to say things on a talk page? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:49, 15 April 2011 (CDT)


:''And yes, we definitely have some of the best gun pics on the 'Net thanks to you. I must admit I'm still smitten with the fact that Norinco Type 84 pics are basically non-existent in just about any gun image site around (even World Guns, which is usually pretty reliable)...except here. ''
**Nope, I still get the "Evil Tim, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:" box come up when I try to post. Also, I screencapped [[Black]] at last; I've got a new capture device that lets me record video good enough to actually use for capturing from rather than having to stick with the rather grainy stuff I had to settle with for Dark Sector. This means that all those console games nobody has the equipment to screencap can have pictures. Well, all the ones I own / can sensibly get hold of, at least. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:30, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
Actually World Guns has pretty crappy photography and I'm pretty sure they jack their shots from other sources as well.  That's the reason why I work so hard on the photos.  The Net has crap pics of guns.  Most of the guys don't know how to take a decent picture (some of the guys take some nice outdoor pics though). I've always liked those Japanese gun magazines with the outrageously sexy product photos of firearms.  Those Japanese photographers always knew how to take awesome pics of guns.  Anyway I will continue to try to photograph as much as I can.  It's still a long while before I 'run out' of guns to take pictures of.  I just need to (a) clean some of them up (b)repair some of them or (c) assemble them. As I mentioned before, I have ALL the parts to make all of the correct XM177 models (original USGI parts) but they're all in bins, mismatched.  That's one of the things I've always wanted to do, being that so many people screw up and name 'everything' a Colt Commando, when the Commando was a specific type of firearm.  Today is a busy day so not much more stuff from me for a little bit.  regards. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


Yes, I've seen that feature and took some screengrabs from it. I'm going to put those up after I'm done with the movie shots. Thanks for the remainder too.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
==MP-25 image==
Is that your personal Raven Arms MP25 image?  I was just asking in that it looks rather horrible (not the image quality but the condition of the firearm! LOL! :)  ) That's a really beat up gun! hahahaha. I was going to photograph a pristine MP-25 that I found in inventory.  But I wanted to check first.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:03, 3 May 2011 (CDT)
:hahahaha, I was WONDERING if you went over to the DARK SIDE and started liking those 'cool' gangsta pistols that all the MS-13 dudes carry in their pants falling down around their butts! LOL!  Holy CRAP! That's a beat up gun!  What are those NY productions doing over there?!  LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:24, 3 May 2011 (CDT)




== Want me to stop? ==


Cause I just got Pineapple Express, Wanted, Mummy 3. All these movies. I mean, I got the Incridible Hulk before it came out on DVD, I got Iron Man before it came out. Do you want me to leave disclaimers? Want me to stop?
==Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock==
You had mentioned in the forums a while back that you had a picture of a Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock that was used in ''[[Pirates of the Caribbean]]'' films, but you didn't put it up because the page kept being deleted. Is it possible that you can post it now? Thanks.


::Fine, I'll stop. And I was actually excited in rewatching Mummy 3 again just to see the guns
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:55, 1 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Right, but still, I mean if we get screencaps from the DVDs and posted it here, aren't we still taking copyrighted images and posting them? How is doing that and taking something from a bootlegged copy any different?
::::I didn't say I did, and I didn't write down here if I even took these off of a bootleg movie that I might or might not have downloaded. I could have found a website that I don't remember. I'll stop posting images from something that isn't offical, IE like a DVD but I am going to write it here that just because the evidence points that these might or might not have been from bootlegged material, doesn't mean I did the bootlegging. I don't want to be accused officially and my words written on this site turned against me. I will not admit or deny anything. But I will stop posting photos that can be questioned.
:::::''My thoughts.  Excaliber01, I would not post anything that has not been officially '''released'''.  I myself posted pics from the '''Body of Lies''' high definition trailer on the web, as well as the Ironman movie , but that was an officially released trailer and was not a bootleg.  I've dealt with MPAA and posting images from screen caps, as long as you're writing something 'newsworthy' or 'educational' about the film, doesn't seem to ruffle many feathers.  It dances on the line of being 'journalism' if you're writing about the film, not promoting or doing any fan stuff about it, or using it for any self promotion or commercial purposes.  After all, how can anyone '''prove''' that a particular gun appear in a scene, unless there is a screengrab to prove it?  However, anything that can be construed as a '''bootleg''' should be avoided.  This changes the entire attitude of folks, especially people in the industry and it may direct unwanted attention to IMFDB if we started regularly having proof that a member is posting images from a '''bootleg''' dvd.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


==The page==
== Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock Pistol ==
Wow.  Don't know what to say.  I've been gone doing the "gun Thing" the last several days, so I've been offline.  thanks!  However, I do stay anonymous for a reason.  (a) the film industry (and Hollywood in particular) is full of ultra liberal, anti gun persons ... petty and vindictive persons.  They think everyone is one of them ... thinks like them ... and those who do not can suffer their wrath, whether it be through pressure or innuendo.  There are tons of folks who are blackballed (not officially) but when any powerful individual doesn't like them ... that person 'magically' can't find work...  It's probably one of the most dysfunctional industries in existence, save for the "XXX" adult biz.  (b) I never draw attention to myself, only presenting my 'cred' when I'm discussing topics or details with other enthusiasts who seem 'serious enough' about the site.  I want freedom to post freely without fear of the repercussions of bad mouthing individuals in the biz.  Also it's not about me, but what I can contribute to the site.  Alot of the armorers stay pretty low key.  I'm actually one of the more opinionated ones.  We all talk amongst ourselves, but I've noticed that most of the industry biggies (the most famous working armorers) stay very MUM on the topics of politics or gun control.  Weird that people would not put 2 and 2 together, i.e. We work with guns ... but we don't support ultra liberal Democrats who want to BAN guns.  It's all part of the ignorance of weapons in movies.  I don't know HOW many times I've heard "Oh, you don't use REAL guns do you?", or "Oh, the gun bans won't affect YOU!".  Which as you know is total bullshit on both counts.  Frankly, the powers that be don't give a crap.  Most of the industry 'lower echelon people' keep quiet.  I have to bite my tongue when I work, but I don't want to have to bite my tongue when I post ;)  (c) Some people are 'asshole magnets'.  I know a lot of women who have attracted internet stalkers.  I, unfortunately have general idiots doing the whole internet harassment thing already (people posting a person's real name, address, phone#, doing weird things like saying they work as a janitor or dropped out of High school (yes both those falsehoods have been posted).  It's always disturbing to Google one's own name only to see some asshat smearing you on his blog.  The bigger IMFDB grows, and I hope that it grows HUGE, the more google hits will link to the site.  I just stay anonymous because I don't want yet another place where morons can figure out who I am (Believe me, YOU guys (the most trusted posters on the site) will probably get that info BEFORE the public, which is fine by me).  Also anyone who knows all the armorers and looks at what I say, can easily figure my identity, which again is okay, but I'm already fighting with a particular idiot who is intent on sliming me and my rep on the net, and I dont' want to drag IMFDB into it.  Anyway, that's a more long winded explanation.  I really appreciate the thought behind the MoviePropMaster Page, but frankly I don't need the credit.  You guys give me all the credit I need with your comments on the pics and pages! :)  I don't think that the site benefits all that much from the page right now.  Just because at this time I'm staying very low key. :)  Hope this is understandable.  Thanks again.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


==Model 29==
Thanks.  I'll be putting this on the page.  You wouldn't happen to know which Pirates movie it was used in? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:21, 2 June 2011 (CDT)
Well Charon had a pretty good pic on the Dirty Harry pages.  The only thing is that I assumed that these were jacked photos.  Question: We discussed this before, but it's okay to remove nice pics but ones that are 'jacked from Google' with new original photos as long as the gun is the same make model and configuration?  Right?  I don't want contributors getting pissed at me for replacing their posted images, even though they themselves just uploaded it from Google.  From  your conversations with Alienqueen, I assume that the mods agree, replacing all the "net" photos with original IMFDB pics is the standard action, and contributors will have to realize that they didn't 'own' the copyright to the net pics to begin with. 


==Wiki==
== Readcted Discussion. ==
So what do you think of that offer?  He wrote a very gracious message and was professional enough to make a formal request.  I'm on the fence.  I take my pics with the intent of having them only on IMFDB.  I do have some friends (fellow armorers OR collectors) who have volunteered the pristine examples for photography (since a lot of the movie guns are beat up), that I've allowed to use for their own uses.  Ironwood Designs, for example, did the replacement wood on one of the yugoslavian RPKs (that I haven't uploaded yet), and they asked to use that pic for their website, and I gave them permission, since they fixed the broken wood with an exact replica of the original Yugoslavian wood.  There are a few people with websites I've given some specific image permission to , but all of these people have helped in the production of the photos in one way or another.  So they're different.


Please give me your thoughts. I am not so keen on others using the pics I shot for IMFDB, at least until I can create a watermarked version of the image, ("courtesy of IMFDB", that sort of thing) so people know that the pic was one of the ones from here. I've been watching the web and are actively looking for websites that might pirate these pics.  I don't take kindly to people who jack MY pics, so I am ready to email offenders with 'cease and desist' orders ;)    Let me know what you think regarding the polite request by the English wiki guy to use my gun images. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi
Thanks for the comment on my profile explaining your removal of my discussion on Redacted.  
The removal of the entire discussion proved unquestionably for me what I was fearing most and trying to prevent on this site. I am sure you are smart enough to deduce what that thing is for people like me - whatever you wish to call us.  


==IMFDB hypocritical? Nah==
I was originally planning to leave this site with a much nastier rant about all you people and what I predict for you and this site in the near future. However, there is enough nastyness and hate in the world, so the best way to go is witha good note.
I would not clamp down as an IMFDB mod, but as the original photographer.  I own the copyright of my own photos and have every right to demand that others not pirate my work.  I granted IMFDB the rights (in writing on my user page BTW) to use my photos, I know that anyone who jacks the images will hear from me, the copyright holder. As far as jacking images, (a) I only uploaded some images when there was no image and we needed a place holder.  I've been replacing these with images I've shot myself, there are almost none left. If the original copyright holder contacts me (or the site) ... that image will be removed immediately (I assume you all agree with me). I would immediately remove any other person's pics if asked. I just worry that others will not comply if I ask for a removal of my own stuff.  I can't control the actions of the other IMFDB contributors, but I shot these images '''FOR''' IMFDB, so I am quite protective of my intellectual and artistic property. 


Also, as indicated by the kind and professional email from that English Wiki guy, I see that others have noticed the image quality of IMFDB gun pics :)  I'm just working towards the day when persons start looking here for images of guns, rather than those other gun sites! hahaha. (despite the fact that they have much more technical and historical data on the actual guns).  Also this is the only place I can post images of the 'faux' or 'conversion' guns that we use in the biz. No real firearms page would be interested in a fake SR9 or a fake MP5 (made from an HK94) or Star handguns standing in for 1911s, etc. etc. Anyway, I say 'bring em on' if anyone complains.  I'm working my tail off to replace all the pics with images that have been granted usage rights to IMFDB (by me).  :) Can't wait until we have all the jacked gun pics replaced on the site. ;)  Let me know what you think.  best regards. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I will try to close my account here, and I wont bother going to any forum to argue with any of you. Can I please finally ask you to please close my account for me if I don't manage to do it myself (I am by far no computer or tech wizard).


==The Crow==
Goodbye mate, and take care of yourself. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 16:02, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
The gun is a chopped Muzzelite bullpup stock that was custom modified to take a shotgun. Mossberg had a Bullpup stock gun (and kit available in the 1980s) but upon closer examination the gun that Ernie Hudson is holding is a Muzzelite for sure.


Also your comments on the accident that killed brandon lee are inaccurate. Believe me, I've been correcting people for YEARS.  the gun that shot Brandon Lee was a snub nose Charter Arms .44 bulldog, not the Model 29 seen in the movie. The reason why no one saw it in the movie is because it is from a deleted scene where Funboy ([[Michael Massee]]) shoots Draven in front of an all night convenience store.  the footage from that entire scene was later destroyed after the investigation.  the scene with the .44 bulldog will NEVER be seen by the general public.
:Hi again. Did end up coming back on this site to check if my account is closed or not, and yeah did manage to read your message and here I am responding to it. I can argue against everything you said, but it will definately be a waste of my time and probably your too. Regarding 'what I fear most and trying to stop on this site', I was refering to a fusion of ignorance, extremism and censorship. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that is just my viewpoint. My English is actually quite good, I just guessed you'd figure it out without the need for me to explicitly state it.


Also the gun armorer had nothing to do with the accident.  The armorer was wrapped (i.e. sent home) at midnight that night and the gun was locked up in the props trailer (which is a semi truck trailer on most major motion picture gigs that are being shot on location).  However, the director (or 2nd unit director) decided to try to film the scene where Massee shoots lee at 4:30 am, well after the weapons master had been 'wrapped' for the day.  As is common when dealing with idiot NON gun ownng people, someone loaded the dummy rounds in first (and then dry fired it).  The dummy rounds were live (full metal jacket) rounds purchased from a local gun store, and then the rounds were removed with a bullet hammer and all the powder inside was dumped out (the bullet reseated with a reloading press), but the primers remained live, since the director wanted shots of the undented primers. Well, as you know, when you dry fire a revolver with a dummy round (with live primer) the primer explosion is enough to drive the bullet about an inch into the barrel.  Someone handed the gun back to the prop handler (who was NOT the gun handler) and said something to the effect of 'this gun is broken'.  When another untrained prop handler unloaded the revolver, she did not notice that one of the "dummy rounds" was missing it's bullet head.  Again, chain of custody of the handgun was broken yet another time, and no one on the set was trained enough to CHECK the barrel for obstructions, like they should have.  They decided to film the scene WITHOUT the gun wrangler (which was fucking stupid since obviously none of these retards knew anything about guns, but this mentality is  COMMON in the industry.  Non gun owners are the biggest fuckups with guns... as you've heard me bitch about time and time again.  
:I am also not quite sure what you mean by a "martyr complex", I have no desire to die for anything or making a martyrdom out of being banned from this website. That would be downright laughable, as I have quite openly requested for my account to be closed, rather than being banned for speaking my "radical leftist" viewpoint. Besides which, even if I was that indignant as to claim I've been banned for political reasons, who would really care, and how can something so insignificant on the world wide web make any difference to this site.


Anyway, come time to film (about 4:00 AM, four hours when they sent the gun handler home because they told him the were DONE filming any firearms scenes) they loaded a full powered .44 bulldog blank in the gun (with that bullet lodged into the barrel) and it obviously had enough force to expel out the round. What is tragic is that Michael massee wasn't aiming directly at Lee, however, the deformation of the round, plus the fact that it was already 'crooked' in the barrel created a non stable bullet flight.  It 'arched' on a weird spin pattern and literally curved it's trajectory into Lee.  The bullet entered his lower intestines, and because it was spinning in a weird way, tore all the way up his spinal cord (shattering the spinal cord into splinters) all the way up to the base of his neck.  Even if he was taken to an E.R. within seconds, the damage was so severe that he would have died regardless of who or what medical facilities were treating him.  What is chilling is that the footage shows the scene continuing as if nothing is wrong and the director calling cut, with set assistants walking up and checking on Lee to see why he is being 'so slow to get up'.  It was pretty gruesome.  
:So again I request that can you please close down my account or ban me on request. Alternatively, I guess I'll just change my password to something really long that I wont remmeber and logging out.


I wonder what it would have been like to be the gun wrangler getting to set the next day, only to discover that the other props people (who knew nothing about guns) had managed to kill the  star with their stupidity.    BTW, I knew an actor who was roommates with Michael Massee (Funboy).  Massee was so traumatized by the incident that he took a year hiatus and hiked across the Canadian wilderness to 'clear his head'.  The entire incident was tragic, but unfortunately, a lot of urban myths are posted on the internet about it. The longer time passes, the more inaccurate accounts I read on the net about the incident.  Hope this helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Either way, goodbye and take care of yourself.
:Peace. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 10:48, 9 June 2011 (CDT)


==Check it out==
== Battle:LA ==
I think this is the most pristine shot of an AK-104 ever on the net! ;)  And only IMFDB has it. :) hahaha.  The only inaccuracy is that I didn't have the bakelite 7.62 magazines that are correct on this model, so I used a Bulgarian Waffle Pattern Magazine.  If you think it's too inaccurate then I will try to find a mag and repost the image. 
[[Image:AK104.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-104 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


==FG 42==
Yes, I was planning on doing it, was there any shots in particular you wanted to add? I took the M134 minigun entry because I couldn't find a shot of it.  I'm going to be uploading it tonight. Ben
damn, that new model looks pristine!  Almost weird looking to see one like that.  Mine is all beat up (and over 60 years old!) Should I replace my weird looking pic with one of those new ones?(that is if someone I know gets one, I myself aren't interested in the new replica live fire model, but I know other guys who will spend whatever it costs to get one) ;)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


If you think there's any other screenshots to add, then go ahead. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:05, 15 June 2011 (CDT)


== John Woo qoute ==
==HBK edits ==


I don't think this line is in the "qoutes" section of the main page, but I like it to be placed in. "Easy to pick up, hard to put down". Obviously refering to guns and ammo. It's a line from the John Woo movie "The Killer" said by Joe, Chow Yun Fat's character
All I'm doing is cleaning up links, I don't see what the big problem is? [[User:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] 16:03, 30 June 2011 (CDT)


I don't know how to put this qoute into the qoute section of the main page, but do you?
I know I don't ''have'' to do it, I just thought it would be better to have direct links rather than redirecting. Besides I don't see it as a waste of time, personally, as it's helping out one of my most visited websites :) [[User:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] 18:17, 30 June 2011 (CDT)


==MAC pics==
:: He's doing it again. I wouldn't even say anything but this is starting to annoy me, along with other things. Anyway, I left him a message but I figure you should know also of course. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:49, 18 July 2011 (CDT)
I'm more proud of the MAC-11 (380).  Now that page has ALL MPM2008 pics! woo hoo!  These are the best pics of these guns on the net so far. Did you see the SIG 550?  Again, I think it's the best image of that gun on the entire web as well.  I had to build up the MAC-11 since the example was in pieces due to an internal part breaking and no one bothered to reassemble it with replacement parts.   I'm on the fence about giving the M-11 it's own page.  It is technically derived from the original MAC-11 blueprints, but it was elongated so that the bolt carrier could traverse a longer distance in order to properly cycle the more powerful 9x19mm round.  And people always mix it up with the other two guns, so I think that putting them together will help "gun ignorant" people understand that these are all distinct guns and not to mix them up.   Oh and BTW, the Cobray M11 9mm magazines don't fit in the Ingram MAC-10/9 9mm guns and vice versa.  Completely different designs.  Just a trivia note. 


I have to take a short break to actually do paid "work" (what's that?) and get back to IMFDB later.  I am trying to get Thompson pics, but all our Thompsons are in weird configurations.  I've already shot an M1928 that was in the Class III vault, and it' rear sight is an M1A1 (WTF?)
== Ultimate Force ==


Did you see the custom AMD-65 I made for the Rambo page?  I think i'll continue building up the configurations as seen in the movies. Heck I got the parts in shop anyway and some of the guns may have been in the film.  But usually the ones I fix up are too nice to have been in some of those movies (they were dropped ALOT). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, am going to add descriptions, gun links/photos and captions, just wanted to add all the screencaps first so I had a frame to work on (have finished this now, so just about to start on the rest). As for the order of the guns, I did them chronologically (preferred this as it means it is easier to use the page to ID unknown guns IMO). In your opinion should it be alphabetical then, and is there any official rule/guideline on this?


==The Dark side of movie guns==
As for the length, I personally far prefer pages for the whole series rather than splitting it into seasons, and believe that on the whole it is far more user friendly than split into seasons. (This is why I put the guns in each category chronologically rather than alphabetically.) Being a Stargate fan I am sometimes frustrated by the new layout, in particular if I am on a gun page and want to see pics of it being used and the link just redirects me to the root SG1 page, and am left guessing what season to click. What exactly is the IMFDB policy on length of pages (couldn't find anything about it on the rules page), as assumed this would be an ok length as it has a smaller number of guns than other unsplit pages on the site. However, I suppose if it is against the policy, I'll split it up.  
One of the original Type 56 rifles from the movie "Uncommon Valor" (and no, please Don't post this image on that page, I have access to other rifles from the movie that are in way better shape and I intend to delete this image after a little while).   This is what SOME movie guns look like. (Click on the image to see it up close)  And no, they're not MY GUNS.  I have some guns I need to clean up, but any beaters I try to clean up and keep as good as I can. But I tend to pick and choose the most pristine examples I can find of each movie gun.  As you can guess, a lot of the movie guns (not the HERO pieces) are pretty beat up. We have actors and stunt persons dropping them and mishandling them all the time.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:BeatType56.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Heck at least it fireable....]]


:I don't think I've ever seen any AK variant beat up that badly, even ones confiscated in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you know those guns get the tar beat out of them... [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904
Also, while I'm here is it against the rules to create a gun page for a gun that will likely have only one appearance? I found a BMS Snicam while doing this page and don't like it being unlinked, but I highly doubt there will ever be another production with one (or any of the Milcam variants) in.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:53, 20 July 2011 (CDT)


::That's nothing. try having a moron ACTOR touch your AK for a few days.  These (liberal anti gun moron actors) manage to destroy weapons all the time. And they claim they don't "like" guns, and yet they mess around with them, drop them, etc. It's gotten so bad that I have a pow wow with the director & producers a lot BEFORE filming starts and tell them, they had better let me stop "unsafe behavior" (meaning I can yell at and confiscate weapons from the "Stars" on sight). Dropping a gun on concrete is not only rude and damages the gun, it can create cracks or breaks or other unseen damage that can create a catastrophic malfunction.  Not that likely given the quality of most battlefield or high end guns, but it's the reasoning I use to whip the director & producer into line.  The biggest 'threat' i've ever made on set, when no one backed me up when I was trying to stop reckless gun behavior, was to threaten to (a) immediately quit, (b) pack up all the guns & blanks, (c) leave .... and notify their Insurance agency that the armorer left the set due to unsafe weapons and pyrotechnical practices.  Boom! That will either get their policy canceled immediately (it's against union rules to work on a set with out com/liability insurance) or get insurance investigators to visit the set immediately. That bluff has never been called! hahahaha.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
==Dark Angel==
Actualy, i only have Season 2 on DVD. I bought it because the local library only had Season 1 on DVD. However, I will get the DVDs from  the library soon. I the mean time, I'll put those pictires you sent me on the Dark Angel page, to be replaced when I get the DVD from the library.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 10:56, 28 July 2011 (CDT)


==Uncommon valor==
==The Hurt Locker and user captain america==
:''It's odd because I had no clue that the Type 56 was imported to the U.S. back when Uncommon Valor was filmed (82-83). I remember hearing it wasn't until 1984 that they reached these shores. ''
We had changed the protection level to mods only because he keep removing the comment about the 9mm vs 40. We downgraded it to allow users for a while now and it's been fine. Today he removed it again for the third time. What should we do about him?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:34, 31 July 2011 (CDT)
well didn't you wonder where all those Chinese AKs came from during the scenes filmed in Hawaii? LOL! Most of the battle scenes were filmed on the Island of Kauai.  Many of the locations were the same Hawaiian locations as Jurassic Park.  And I noticed how 'well fed' (i.e. hefty) the local extras were when they were playing Laotian People's Army regulars. Alot of the extras were Chinese and Japanese American residents of Hawaii. This particular gun was an amnestied pre 1968 bring back full auto original Type 56, that was registered per the rules of NFA 34 and GCA 68.  There were a LOT of bring backs during the war, and many registered full autos found their way into the chains of commerce between full auto weapons owners.  MPM


== ''The Kill Point'' ==
== My Activation ==


Thanks a lot for screencapping ''[[The Kill Point]]''. I originally made the page when the series first aired on Spike TV last year, but haven't found anywhere that sells in on DVD or any place on the net with good-quality video. I really appreciate your help with this article, and look forward to seeing it completed. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904
Oh MT2008, can you please add me to the imfdb forum. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)


==GoldenEye discussion==
== Can't register on forum ==
I moved the golden eye AK discussion to that page's discussion page, you know, the guys get all weirded out by the 'non-encylopedic tone' of discussions on the movie pages.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


== ''Jericho'' ==
Hello.


It may take me a while to do the caps for this thing as they are buried somewhere in the massive pile of burned discs I have (yes, I know, naughty naughty) but there are a few suggestions I can offer you:
Whenever I try to register on forum with the same e-mail I use on IMFDB, I get the message: "The administrator has banned your email address. To contact the administrator click here". So I contacted the administrator and waited for a couple of days but nothing happened. One of IMFDB members directed me to you to ask for help. Can my problem be resolved? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:05, 23 September 2011 (CDT)


(1) M-14/M1A - seen when Hawkins shows Jake his hidden stockpile of weapons prior to New Bern's attack
== Gun handling ==


(2) MAC-10 - used by some of Jonah Prowse's henchmen during the attack on the New Bern mortar sights
Are you sure??? I have seen many comments about the gun handling in movies because it refers to the use of the firearms int the movie. I think that IMFDB would be boring if we simply listed the firearms and did not connect how they are used to the story. For example: on the Terminator Two page, I mentioned that Sarah shows excellent gun handling due to her preparation for judgement day.


(3) AK-47 - used several times in the series by, among others, the Sherrif's deputies in New Bern and Jonah Prowse.


(4) Heckler&Koch UMP - seen in the hands of a U.S. Marine (based on the cammo pattern) at Camp Liberty


(5) Barret M82A1 - seen mounted on the cab of a deuce and a half at Camp Liberty
No problemo!--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 15:50, 19 October 2011 (CDT)


(6) M60 - used by a citizen of New Bern during the initial firefight with Jericho
== Weapon Naming Question ==


(7) Glock 18 - used by Ravenwood mercs, especially Goetz, to kill Sarah - easily identified by the extended magazine
Hello.


Yeah...forgot to log in here so I had to log back in in order to "claim credit"!!!  Sorry dude.
I wanted to inquire about one standard that is absent from [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page. The weapon naming. If the weapon was called incorrectly in the first place, is it allowable for users to change it to correct one, provided they provide serious sources (that is, not some unsourced Wikipedian stub)?


An example of such weapon is '''SVU''' (incorrectly called 'SVU Dragunov', as I was explaining on the [[Talk:SVD Dragunov|corresponding talk page]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:10, 11 November 2011 (CST)


Check the changes/additions I have made and edit them at your will dude!!! Semper Fidelis!!!
== Two Tone Sig Sauer P228.jpg ==


You're very welcome.  As far as the Glocks go I thought they might be small too but I am sure I heard burst fire from them in the particular episode.
Why did you revert that, exactly? Commando552's image seems higher quality, the one you reverted to is very jagged around the bottom where the background was edited out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:49, 15 November 2011 (CST)
[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 19:17, 26 November 2008


That about wraps up my contributions for this one.  If you have any further questions just drop me a note.  Via Con Dios.
== Correct Dates ==


==Happy Thanksgiving==
Thanks for the heads up. Any help from fellow admins would be helpful in keeping the site correct. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:30, 26 November 2011 (CST)
Hope you're eating well :) regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


==U.S. Marshals snaps==
:: In the future, I'll try to keep accurate dates on the pages I make, but I'm a little perplexed about why you've harped on me for some relatively minor mistakes.  I do understand that accuracy is of utmost importance on this site, but since I've been trying to update and clean up a lot of the site, accidents are bound to occur.  If you found some inaccuracies in my edits, then I accept getting a heads up about it, but I don't believe I deserve what seems to me a relatively harsh response.  You're making me feel a little bit discouraged about doing anything for this site.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:41, 21 January 2012 (CST)
I have U.S. Marshals on DVD, would you like me to replace your AVI shots with my DVD shot sometime? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 07:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


==You're very welcome==
== Heckler and Koch ==
Yes, the lack of a good USAS 12 shotgun really bugged me.  Also the inaccurate history of the gun (as seen on many internet sites) also bugged me.  I was there and in the middle of all that political BS in the early 1990s and I remember everything, since it affected me directly.  As for the new photos ... That's why I do it!  hahahahah.  I think IMFDB has the best USAS-12 photo on the net right now ;)  I hope you also liked the new Makarov pic (I hated the old one), and the new Glock 17L.  Also I 'think' we have the only good shots of the HK 512 autoshotgun on the net as well.  Hope you had a great thanksgiving.  I'm still working on the pics, but I've taken well over 200 custom gun photographs so far.  And it looks like I have a long way to go.


Have you seen the pics of guns at Securityarms.org? Ugh! Poor guys. They have the biggest library of gun pics on the planet so far, but their quality is so bad (and lots of their guns are in really WEIRD configurations). 
Can i ask why you deleted the page that i created?--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:12, 24 December 2011 (CST)


I screwed up on the XM177-E2 pic (I'm so mad at myself).  I put the A1 style upper on an SP1 lower which is wrong.  I had the SP1 lower all ready for the original XM17 pic and in a state of confusion, I assembled the E2 upper to the wrong lower. Also I have an original XM177 barreled upper ... and I can't FIND IT! Argh!  It's somewhere in the piles and piles and piles of guns and gun parts.  I just can't remember where I put it. 
:It seemed like people really liked the idea in the main discussion... ([[Main_Page#Gun_Brands_Pages|here]]). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:24, 24 December 2011 (CST)


Also I'm having a hard time photographing Chrome nickel guns. I tried to photograph a nickel plated Colt Highwaypatrolman and a Colt Single Action Army (with ivory grips), but these guns are nearly 'mirror' finish and the pics look like crap. It's hard to light something that is so shiny and reflective. I'm going to get a special product soft box (the kind they use to photograph silver, platinum and gold jewelry) so that I don't see my own reflection in the item.
::Thanks for explaining. I responded to your post in the main discussion but I just want to say again to you directly that I am really not trying to be the guy who comes in and changes everything. I know how annoying it can be when you've been working on something for months and years and some hot-headed know-it-all comes in and tries to change everything. I hope you know that that is NOT what I am trying to do. I try my best to know my place around here and I respect the judgement and far superior knowledge of my superiors/elders (not just the admins but those who clearly know more about guns then I do). I am not simply kissing ass when I say that this is an awesome thing you got going here. I really hope to contribute to this website for years to come. Hope you have a very Merry Christmas/Happy Chanukah. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 09:25, 24 December 2011 (CST)


I'm trying to get some of the items which I don't have, but it's tough.  Thanks for the compliments on Ultraviolet.  There's just so much work to do on the site.
It's all good! Look forward to the discussion. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)


Question, how do you guys see how many views an image or page has?  Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hey man. First off, happy new year. Second, I wanted to see what your thought of the gun brand pages now that they have been up for a few weeks... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 10:48, 3 January 2012 (CST)


==My thoughts on Molotov Cocktail==
== TheHeartbreakKid15 ==
Just so  you know, I'm strongly against an improvised weapon like the Molotov Cocktail having it's own page.  '''It's a bottle with gasoline in it.'''    It's not '''manufactured or crafted''', like any of the weapons on the other pages including things like custom swords, bows and knives. 


Also no user ever needs to know, "Gee, what was the make of that Molotov Cocktail I saw in that movie?"  Since IMFDB is an information resource on stuff that people intuitively would NOT already know, I feel we should not put pages on things that are improvised weapons, like "the Bride" in KILL BILL using a piece of wood with nails in it to kill Gogo Yubari. 
For what its worth I wanted to let you know that [[User_talk:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] is back to editing redirect links. I looked at his user talk and noticed that you and other admins had asked him multiple times to stop. I have to agree with you. I've been fixing a lot of these lately and it is particularly problematic because if a page is moved you cant simply change the redirects, you have to go change the individual pages that this guy is messing up. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:24, 6 February 2012 (CST)
:OMG! He did it again... He just did all the CSI pages... I'm undoing his edits but WTF?! How many times has he been told not to? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:05, 21 February 2012 (CST)


Also would you also list the propane tanks used to blow up Zombies in DAWN OF THE DEAD as a weapon as well?  They had a road flare in them so they were 'modified' like a molotov cocktail. 
== SIGs ==


Since the page was made and effort was put into it, I won't complain any more, but I thought you must realize how I feel towards improvised weapons. I lump them in the same category as a crowbar (weapon used in Half life), a rock, a stick or a brick.  Sure Video games use them as weapons, but they don't deserve the page that a known firearm or munition does since no one will ever wonder what country they came from, who made them, what their history or caliber is, or what version or variation is being used.  IMHO [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointers on identifying SIGs. That will definitely come in handy. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)


== CSI: NY - Season 6 ==


Hey. Just out of curiosity why did you undo my edit to [[CSI: NY - Season 6]]? I thought the image I used better represented the gun in question... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)
:<nowiki>*hangs head*</nowiki>... and THAT is why I am still a self-proclaimed novice... That was exactly why I thought it was a better image but you are, of course, correct. Sorry if I came across the wrong way, I was honestly just trying to understand what I did wrong. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:41, 20 March 2012 (CDT)
::As someone still learning about how the movie prop business, it amazes me that the same gun that was used by Martin Laurence in [[Bad Boys II]], gets used by some random thug in [[CSI: NY]]. Pretty cool. Speaking of ISS, is that who MPM works for?? Does anyone actually know or is that a secret? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:10, 20 March 2012 (CDT)


== [[Full Metal Panic]] ==
By the way, while I'm talking to ya, any chance you can add the following to the [[:Category:Gun]] page? It'd be great to have all the subcategories listed on the front of the page. I'd do it but the page is locked. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)


What do you think of what I've done recently with this page?
'''SUB CATEGORIES'''
{|
|
*[[:Category:Assault Rifle]]
*[[:Category:Battle Rifle]]
*[[:Category:Bullpup]]
*[[:Category:Carbine]]
*[[:Category:Flamethrower]]
*[[:Category:Flare Gun]]
*[[:Category:Fictional Firearm]]
*[[:Category:Grenade]]
|| ||
*[[:Category:Grenade Launcher]]
*[[:Category:Less-Than Lethal]]
*[[:Category:MANPADS]]
*[[:Category:Machine Gun]]
*[[:Category:Machine Pistol]]
*[[:Category:Mine]]
*[[:Category:Missile Launcher]]
*[[:Category:Mortar]]
|| ||
*[[:Category:Pistol]]
*[[:Category:Revolver]]
*[[:Category:Rifle]]
*[[:Category:Shotgun]]
*[[:Category:Sniper Rifle]]
*[[:Category:Submachine Gun]]
*[[:Category:UBGL]]
*[[:Category:Underwater Firearm]]
|-
|}
<br>
Would you be willing to lift the restriction on the page? It seems unnecessary any way but I am almost certain I know how to make it work and you can always re-lock the page after I try. I promise I wont mess anything up. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:09, 24 March 2012 (CDT)
:Thanks! Done. Hows that look? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:32, 24 March 2012 (CDT)


==Do these help?==
== Glock 19 ==
I was tempted to overwrite the existing pics with these.  Let me know if you think I should.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:M1921Thompson.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|M1921 Thompson]]
[[Image:M1928.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1928 "OverStamped" Auto Ordnance Thompson (this one is a real beat up one)]]
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Military contract Thompson with Stick magazine and simplified Rear sight]]
[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 with a Drum magazine]]
(edit: Just added this M1928A1 with a drum. I will probably over write the existing gun pics)


==WTF? Now we have internet Flash animation webisode shorts?==
The filename "Glock19" should be a picture of the Glock 19 instead of a screenshot.   That Glock picture was your picture.  I'm always writing the code from memory for the weapons and would rather have something with that filename.  Whatever. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:45, 30 March 2012 (CDT)
Anonymous user 98.216.249.226 has created a page for Taegukgi.  This is NOT the Korean war Movie of the same name, but a Flash animated short that lasts less than 60 seconds, created by an (albeit talented) fan. WTF.  Though the short is quite cool, it's weird and stylized animation of round headed figures duking it out for about a minute. does it count if it's only public release is a website? I think people are pushing the boundaries of what is a legitimate title here.


The page on IMDFB.
== I need you or another admins help, my other account was blocked wrongfully. ==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Taegukgi


Where you can watch Taegukgi:Stagnant Fire  (Stagnant Flame is the 2nd webisode)
Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with an issue I am having. Admin "Evil Tim" blocked me for no reason thinking I was some guy named "Burt", which I am not, my name is Danny. I tryed to contact him about it on my blocked account "Glock17gen4", but it wouldnt let me so I'm forced to use this account I made. I tryed to contact him and I have no received a reply, I think he is ignoring the msg or something. I was wondering if you could help and unblock my other account, thanks. [[User:SaferSephiroth|SaferSephiroth]] 16:24, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
http://216.40.252.130/stagnantfire.swf


Your thoughts are appreciated.
== DX4 Vaporizer ==
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


::EDIT: I think we should adopt the same rule as IMDB.  Or actually, if the title is nowhere to be found on IMDB, that means it is not a recognized title that has been released to the general public, thus it will NOT appear on IMFDB.    Members can appeal these decision by posting an IMDB link.  I think that's the only was to keep these 'amateur films' (no matter how cool or talented they are), from taking over the Site. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey man, I saw on the [[CSI: Miami]] page that you apparently have pictures of the [[CSI:_Miami#DX4_Vaporizer|DX4 Vaporizer]]? I'm about to add it to the [[CSI: Miami - Season 6]] page and any pictures would be most appreciated. Thanks! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:03, 12 April 2012 (CDT)


==The much needed FAQ or RULES for the site==
== Infoboxes ==
Hope we get that FAQ (actually it should be RULES for the site) done quick.  I've noticed young foreign members who are posting bootleg images (the danger is from foreign members in Asia and Eastern Europe).  I work in the movie biz and that's a SUREFIRE way to get the studio lawyers laser beam aimed right at US.  We should prohibit screencaps from films which have NOT been released yet, immediately.  The '''exception''' are those images which are taken from publicly disseminated marketing images (like production stills, or marketing images that have already been released to the public) or Screengrabs from already released trailers (like I did for Body of Lies, Defiance, and Valkyrie).  These images are from public released materials, like high def trailers, and thus are not taken from a bootleg copy of the movie.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


: Kin93 is a young user from Hong Kong. 93 refers to 1993, the year he was born, which makes him 15.  He may not realize that it's just not Kosher to put images from DVDs which 'may' be available in the notorious bootleg market of CHINA, but is not acceptable and illegal here in the U.S. I am going to give him a chance to respond.  It may be some other film that he has mis-titled.  But if we can determine definitely that these are screengrabs from the 2009 release film Tunnel Rats, then they should be deleted, with apologies sent to the OP, with a gentle warning that we don't tolerate Bootleg images. I will give him some time to let me know what it is what I think it is.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey. So first off, a disclaimer, I am posting the following message for each of the Admins so don't think I'm spamming. Just want to get input from all of you. I have been working on a number of infoboxes for different pages ([[Template:Infobox Movie]], [[Template:Infobox TV]], [[Template:Infobox Video Game]]). I have already gotten some help from [[Bunni]] who installed an additional add-on to facilitate the templates. I would love to get some feedback from you (and other admins) regarding these. Do you like the format? Are there things you would like changed? Should additional information be added? The nice thing is that with the add-on that [[Bunni]] installed, you do not have to provide all the information for the infobox. Any variables left blank will simply not be printed.
::::Re: 15 yr olds. I don't want to sound like I am bashing 15 yr olds.  [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] is an exception.  For one, he is far more mature, literate, informed and world wise than 99.99% of 15 yr olds in general.  But he is the rare exception. A lot of 'kids' mean well, but need to have it explained to them what is or is not appropriate.  Actually MOST of the young adults who post on THIS site are literate, reasoned and mature, far more than their peers who post on other sites. Perhaps it says something about the TYPE of person who has interest in these sort of things.  Anyway, I will still watch the new members carefully.....  (BTW:  It just hit me, I'm as OLD as most of the Admins' DADS .... but I'm probably more fun :) hahahaha). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:28, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


::I do agree with the fact we should prohibit and make sure people understand that we have to understand the fact that we can't post images of movies unreleased on DVD no matter how high quality they might be as some I've found. And Gunmaster, you're 15, so I don't think you would bash your own age group. I don't remember what it was like being that age. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
Finally, I would like to see how you feel about my adding these to pages. I have gotten positive feedback from a number of users (including at least 3 admins) but before I add this to more than a dozen or so pages (which I have done for testing purposes) I want to really get full permission. I know that sweeping changes are a '''MAJOR''' no-no without full admin approval. Check out the thread in the forum (http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1942). I look forward to hearing your feedback! :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:16, 9 May 2012 (CDT)


== Care to take a look at my RE:E movie page? ==
== RE: Supernatural  ==


Since no one did this page since the DVD release, I decided to do so. I need some check ups cause I always have a hard time telling Taurus from Beretta. Also see if you can ID the Cobray M11 for me if it is one. The previous guy posted up and even I thought it was an MP7 until I looked closer.
I think "Jericho 941" should only be used to refer to the series of pistols, as all of the pistol listed on that page are Jericho 941s, just different models. I don't think it hurts to be specific about the gun you are talking about, and also differentiated between when you are talking about the gun series as a whole and the one specific model. I reorganised the Jerich 941 page a while ago to use the correct model designations (up until that point all guns were being called just Jericho 941s, even if they had the frame safety, were semi compacts or had polymer frames) so when someone identifies a pistol now it should be identified by the specific model. Most IDs pre-date when I did this though, but I can go through and change them (would also be an opportunity to double check that they are the correct models) , is that OK? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:31, 25 October 2012 (EDT)


The thing with the SIGs is that they were originally called P226Rs when they were first introduced, its just that now that all P226s have the rail they have abandoned the distinction. Using the "R" for railed SIGs is what was actually done by the company themselves, not something we made up. The thing with the 941s though is that there is no distinction between the unrailed and railed models as far as I can tell in terms of model designations, its just that the railed one is the current model. Not 100%, but I think it may be the case that the rail was introduced when the Jericho started being produced under the IWI name rather than IMI, so that could be a way of distinguishing between the two. Also, the American MRI guns refer to the later railed guns as the "Baby Desert Eagle II". We don't use the MRI naming but rather the original Jericho, but we could refer to railed guns by putting a "II" after them as in "Jericho 941 R II", but this seems a bit clunky to me and is not how it is actually done by IWI. What do you think? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:19, 28 October 2012 (EDT)


*''[[Resident Evil: Extinction]]''
== Comments ==


I am trying to write this without a tone of anger, but I just don't understand why you feel the need to make such a snarky comment on the JAG page.  I'm sorry that I'm not observant enough, but you could be a little bit more forgiving about this and help me out.  I'm trying to do right, but comments like you make, don't make me feel like I should contribute any more.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:25, 1 November 2012 (EDT)


== I can't be nice anymore ==
== Forum Registration ==


Someone has to draw the line. This guy Don whatever. He just posted a NEW flash animation on this site. What the hell? I've see the pics or trash that resembles pictures of guns and he thinks those are what they are? Is he high or some punk kid that thinks it's so cool that it deserves to be on this site. Sift Head and that other flash animation thing, Taegukgi. Those are pardon my language, pieces of shit that are NOT worthy of this place that some of us hold with respect. Yeah, they seem entertaining, but if we decide to let something this slide, then whose to stop from putting other flash animations that have "drawings" of guns on them because "Oh they have guns, so therefore they should be on this site". I want to remove it, but I like a majority vote instead of me acting pissed of. I'm asking everyone else their thoughts. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello


Been a while since I came back and posted something on IMFDB. Anyways, I wanted to sign up for the forum because I wanted to ask something about guns but the registration was disabled.  When do you think it will be re-enabled?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] ([[User talk:Gunkatas|talk]]) 01:38, 20 November 2012 (EST)


== I hesitated ==
P.S. The image about posting signatures needs to be updated.


I hesistated as well when I looked at my Pineapple express page because I actually did real work to screencap it, even though it was from a pretty good quality bootleg, but that doesn't excuse the fact I used bootlegged images. It cheapens the quality of this site if we do that. That's why when I get images for TV series, I try to get the highest quality as possible. I didn't hesitated in deleting the images from Tunnel Rat even if it isn't my work and someone else's, but when I did that, I deleted the images from Pineapple Express. It needs to be done. Which is why someone needs to tell this guy who's so much of a fan of flash animation to stop putting stuff like that on this site. It doesn't deserve to be  here. Anime deserves to be here, the kind of anime where you can see who detail they did on their guns, not this cheapo internet flash thing you can find anywhere from Newgrounds. Flash animation crosses a line and insults this site. It must not be allowed to be here. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
== Excuse me. ==


== DVD rips ==
I apologize for my mistake. For some reason I thought that this nickel-plated Type  56-1 is used in [[Typhoon]]. Later I saw the movie page, and saw his mistake, but it was too late, and I decided not to correct it. Next time I'll be more careful with the editing. Tell me please, where in this case is still used this machine, except those films that are referred in this photo:
[[File:BellyNorincoType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] ([[User talk:Andrey Karchikyan|talk]]) 23:07 28 July 2013 (MSK)


Even dvd rips have their limits. You can really tell from the offical stuff and something someone ripped off a DVD. It's better to just rent it from official sources. And do you think we overdid it with Don and used him as an example like that. I mean, this is a free form wiki like site. Odds are there will be others who won't read rules and ignore and we have to start this all over again.
==Breaking Bad==
If you want to let know where in the episode it's seen and what episode they're from, then I can put them up. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:01, 1 October 2013 (EDT)
: I probably already have it, but I haven't put it up yet.   Just wondering, did Hank ever use his Glock in Season 3 or 4?  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:15, 2 October 2013 (EDT)


[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
==The Amazing Spider-Man==
"''There is no evidence for this; just because the NYPD uses this gun in real life doesn't mean that it's what's in the movie''"


I would never base my identification of a gun used by any police agency in a movie purely on what their real life equivalence carry. There sure are evidence that the SIG-Sauer P226 used by Denis Leary is a DAK, or possibly DAO gun, and here are the evidence;
[[File:TASM SIG P226.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here if you look closely you can see there is no decocker on the pistol, it's a little hard to tell but you can see it if you look closely.]]
[[File:TASM SIG P226b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can definitely see that the hammer is bobbed.]]
[[File:TASM SIG P226c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here is a better shot of the gun where you can see there is clearly no decocking lever on this gun.]]
[[File:TASM SIG P226d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Best possibly closeup where again there is no decocking lever on the pistol.]]
[[File:TASM SIG P226e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good profile shot of the gun clearly showing the bobbed hammer.]]


There you have it, evidence that I didn't just base it on what the NYPD carry in real life. So, do any of these have to go on the page to show the gun is a DAK, in that case which of them do you recommend? I don't think all of them has to go on the page just to show it's a DAK pistol. --[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] ([[User talk:Thejoker|talk]]) 17:22, 23 October 2013 (EDT)


== We got another one ==
::Okey thanks, sorry if I came off as grumpy. --[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] ([[User talk:Thejoker|talk]]) 23:08, 26 November 2013 (EST)


I just found another one. It's called Madness. Yeah how approperate. Putting flash animation here is madness. Cause this is IMFDB.
==RE X-Files==
Thanks, that means quite a deal. I know you contributed quite a bit for the show's page, including caps (many of which I'm keeping since mine really aren't/won't be any better). I'm definitely happy I got Season 1 locked, BUT now I have to go forward with Season 2, and so forth! Bah.. BUT, I'll get it all eventually though - I too really pained to see the page kinda fall by the wayside like it did, so figured I'd do something about it. It's a pretty big project for me, but I really want to get this show up to par with most of the other pages, especially after helping out Ben with ''Criminal Minds'' and ''SVU''. That all said, I see you've already added some stuff, which is great! I appreciate it a lot - good to have a little extra help. Feel free to keep adding even for the other seasons if you have stuff - There are talk pages set up as storage for every season so just put it all there and I can sort it out when I get to that season. Anyway, again, thanks much! [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:52, 26 July 2014 (EDT)


[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
: You can go ahead and upload them. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 00:27, 17 August 2014 (EDT)


:: Well, I actually skipped that episode since you said you had some. I doubt they're that bad, but if you're concerned, you can post 'em up in the talk page. As I said, I simply re-used several of your caps since they're good enough, ones I get won't likely be that much better. There's maybe one or two extras or re-dos I might wanna get anyway, so if I really feel the need, I can try to get ones for "Pusher" then. Otherwise, we'll just go with 'em - Outside of those caps S3's pretty much as complete as can be right now. About to load all the other caps I took on the page now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:54, 28 September 2014 (EDT)


== Hard work ==
::: Just looked at the page, all of the caps look good to me - As I surmised, I don't think I could really do better. Thanks for getting those and setting them up on the page. Now, short of HD shots, I definitely think S3's pretty much wrapped-up. Your lack of memory actually reminded me I hadn't uploaded the other DVD covers, so I did that, also checking some of the related actor pages thus far too. I intend to follow-up with the gun pages as well (at least some anyway, others I'd rather hold off on 'till more of the show's done). Otherwise, guess it's on to S4 - many of those I think I (and perhaps even you) could actually improve on. And on it goes.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:51, 28 September 2014 (EDT)


And a very nice work, your Hard Target is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: Looking back through the season pages, it seems the only Olympic Arms rifles there are that match the existing gun image (the A1E1 receiver with the A1 barrel) are in S3, and I mark that by the thinner barrels in some shots - But in all other cases, they appear to be the heavy barrel rifles, while the other rifles with thinner barrels just about all seem to be SP1 mockups, so I definitely get your point. I myself had no trouble with posting the two AR images and all that, but I admit it can be a bit much, and potentially confusing. Long as it's not a problem for anyone else, perfectly fine by me to standardize on one rifle type and one image. Also, moved your last message to a new section on my talk page, as the main one I had on my talk page was gettin' a bit large (hell, soon I might want to go for an archive on my talk page.. damn have I really talked and done that much? Bah.) Anyway again I'm cool on condensing the listing(s) and image(s), no problem by me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:27, 28 September 2014 (EDT)


::::: Some of the ones in "731" looked like they had the A1 barrels but had the OA's Stowaway grips. Or so it seemed, anyway, as I said. The rifles in "731" are never shown worth a damn enough to get any real good shots (Not for me to get, anyway - I might try to see if I can do anything about that with more/new caps, but I ain't expecting much really). Hell, could still be rifles with the heavy barrels and again, just not quite a good shot. Again, like I said, it was just what it seemed, not gonna treat it as hard fact or anything of course. That to me was the only case where it seemed different, otherwise it all seems to tie with your view, which I pretty much I agree with - I agree that it seems the general rule was OA's for any heavy barrel rifles and the lighties being SP1s. Now I always work under the assumption there's exceptions to every rule, but I'm still with you anyway in that regard, and I don't mind proceeding that way on the pages. Thanks for all the input and assistance thus far. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:03, 29 September 2014 (EDT)


== My airsoft ==
===Part Deux===
Thanks, but I'm actually not done here yet. Phase one was just updating some of the existing pics, I actually have a lot more additional caps and sections to load - Would have done it all last night but it was gettin' late. I am going through the series in-order so I'm not at "Max" yet - I'm doing it in three passes, this first pass is "Herrenvolk" to "Terma", "Paper Hearts" to "Max" will be the next pass, and the rest of the season will be the last set. And so forth. I find going through a few episodes at a time gives me quite a good bit to upload and change without getting too intensive (although this set of episodes was pretty damn involved, "Field Where I Died", "Musings of CSM' and "Tunguska" each have a fair bit of firearms so it took some time to get caps). Anyway, I'll certainly go about getting caps on "Max" as best I can, I know there are a lot of guns in it and many probably aren't seen well. But I'll certainly try. Hell I actually have a lot more caps than what I've loaded, but need to pick and choose the best stuff and try not to get carried away. Season 4 may indeed take a while, since there are a lot of episodes with a fair amount of firearms in them. But I'm gettin' there, of course. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:21, 11 October 2014 (EDT)
: Just got S4 wrapped up - What do you think? I'm pretty sure I got just about everything. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
:: Yeah, it is awesome, glad to have it done finally. That said, I just saw S1 on the main page as a featured article, which is awesome (part of that is due to Ben getting the HD caps, but nevertheless, kickass to see). Should also note that on the main page I rewrote the description a bit, and re-arranged the titles to show the first film in-between S5 and S6, as it is proper chronologically and the film itself does go between those seasons of the series in sequence. It looks better to me, and I don't think anyone else will mind. Anyway, yeah, I plan to start working on S5 soon, hopefully anyway (I have constraints as well, or might have 'em soon, perhaps, we'll see). I originally intended to get the whole show, and still intend to eventually. But sure, whatever help you can give will be much appreciated. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:21, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
::: Ah, thanks! I was wondering about that, they looked like flat-top uppers from the Model 920 M4s and newer stuff but that's a moving shot so I wasn't sure if that was the case or an angle/motion thing. The pages you linked have good relevant details so I'll re-work that section, or you can if you feel so inclined. Either way's good with me, appreciate the help, as usual. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:23, 2 November 2014 (EST)
:::: Went ahead and changed that section with the relevant info, hope it works alright. Let me know if anything's off or otherwise feel free to change anything that's off. Thanks yet again. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:40, 3 November 2014 (EST)
::::: Done with S5 now. "Folie à Deux" and "Pine Bluff Variant" took a bit to get everything but I'm pretty sure I got just about all of it - definitely some good shots of the MP5SDs (found a couple fixed-stock SD2s in there) and that long-barrel Type 84S. Would like a bit of help on some of the unknown stuff, the sniper rifle in "The End" especially. Also, you'll notice I kept your old widescreen images, I got a couple of replacements but Netflix presently only has the whole series in FS (Still kicking myself for not doing it last year, they had WS on the last 2-3 seasons at least) and while yours have grain to 'em, they are good enough shots; mine won't be a great deal better. The Rules of course also says to get/keep WS caps when possible. So, hanging onto those for the time being. I also kept that one cropped shot of the Spectre, since I believe it's a crop from the WS version as well and one I can't really replace (and again, its a good shot). Anyway, there it is, any thoughts/notes? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:47, 9 November 2014 (EST)
:::::: Thanks for the notes -
:::::: 1) I do agree that it looks closer to the 'Target' rather than the 'Match' - Main reason I got that one completely horizontal shot was to compare the two, and I agree the barrel isn't near long enough for a Match version. I'd have to agree the rifle in "Terma" is the same one so the ID applies to both. I'll modify the listing(s) and use the image we have, and just note that it has a folding stock.


So what do you think of my airsoft? I know a lot of people have a bad idea about what airsoft is, so what do you think? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: 2) KNEW I had seen a rifle like that recently but for the life of me couldn't place it, I think you're spot on there.


:Good guess. We wear the woodland and desert DPM half and half. You think wearing desert in the middle of winter isn't smart, but that color blends really good in the snow and tree. The guy who founded the team's British. Born in Singapore, raised in England and former paratrooper. I think after college here, he's going back for another tour. The guy's kinda hardcore about what guns we arm ourselves with. We don't go for anything that the British or SAS hasn't used. It keeps our weapon uniformed and easy to change out parts and magazines. Also the reason other than ego I think for the British camo is because everyone in the US obviously goes for the typical kinds of camo and we've yet to encounter a team that has a similiar kit like us. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: 3) I figured as much, I've seen screencaps on other pages done that way, too. Again, they're decent enough to keep, I'd rather wait 'til the HD remastering before worrying about changing them.  


:Yes that is the reason how I came across Ultimate Force. It is an awesome show, but had a run of bad luck when it comes to casting and renewals. It reminded me of the show The Unit, which for all intents and purposes is the US equivalent to Ultimate Force, but the difference is that it had more episodes, but why I don't like about The Unit which was half the show is all about the wives and family drama. Ultimate Force showed almost none of that and more action. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::: 4) Figured it was a S&W, but wasn't entirely sure of the model, not used to seeing decocker-less models like the 5946 much. But that makes sense. Also, can't believe I missed that was the same masked dude (just shows ya I've been working too hard :P)  


==You psychic? hahaha==
:::::: 5) Well, I kinda see what you mean but while the reciever looks a bit slim in width, it doesn't appear to be elongated lengthwise like a Cobray (hard to tell though). More than that it also doesn't look like it has the disk-shaped cocking handle like the Cobray gun, either. Actual MACs did appear previously on the show, so all that was what I supported my ID with. Won't write it in stone, though.  
I put up a pic and you comment on it within 90 seconds...  hahaha  First the Type 84 and now this.  Is there an alarm on your computer whenever I post a gun pic?  :)  Thanks for the compliments.  I wish I had a better pic of the Valmet.  I was counting on getting shots of Syd Stembridge's guns, but he sold all of his Valmets to Long Mountain Outfitters. I don't think I know of anyone who has the most important variant, the M78/83 (the version with the black synthetic thumbhole stock). I have a broken M78 (and I mean ready for the scrap pile) with a fake thumbhole stock that was carved out of plywood!!!!! Ugh!  Boy it looks bad. But I had the semi auto only M78 gun as a stunt weapon since the receiver was previously crushed slightly inward by the previous owner and it's not worth it to repair the fractures in the sides.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


==Stripes page==
:::::: 6) Makes sense, the flash-hiders threw me off though (They looked a bit like those on the DShKs, but not quite big enough).
So I finally did a Stripes page.  Just got sick of having no page for that movie. :) .[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)  


==Water marks==
:::::: - Thanks for all the help. I think I'll have a bit of a break before I start back up again with S6. I think if anything I'll start going through the existing stuff, trimming it a bit where possible, double-checking the cross-listing on the actor pages and getting on the crossings on the gun pages, too. And on it goes... [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:30, 10 November 2014 (EST)
I am seriously considering some sort of copyright listing (or at least some clear wording at the comments section) of each custom gun pic I photograph. I suppose I should be wary of pirates just lifting the custom content clear out of the blue.  After, a lot of IMFDB's gun pics are someone else's content. My goal is to replace all of IMFDB's gun pics with original images that clearly belong to IMFDB so there is no copyright issue with anyone else..[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


==There you go again===
::::::: Just finished up cross-listing the gun and actor pages with a couple exceptions, plan to get back into the saddle of screen-capping soon. Before that, though, as part of my trimming down and ironing-out process, I intend to tag some of your old images for deletion - Pretty much all the ones of yours that I'm going to tag are ones where we've gotten better versions (without updating the old image, apparently) so it seems prudent. I won't do it right away but soon, if you have a problem with that or anything please let me know. Thanks again for your help thus far. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:23, 17 November 2014 (EST)
hahahaha.  I post a pic, and less than 90 seconds later, I get a comment from you!  You have Jedi mind powers?!? :) hahahaha.  How do you know when I've posted a pic? :)  re: the gun, I had it in one of my PICS folders that I haven't looked at since August. That folder has pics I scored from armorer buddies and I remember someone mentioning that the rack I was poking around had the guns from Air Force One.  Since I wasn't near any AKs or pistols, I just remember thinking, oh, "these must be the MP5s from the flick".  But then a lot of people I know make off the cuff remarks and then don't remember making them at all later, so who knows?  Again that was six months ago, and I had since forgotten about the whole affair until I ran across this image.    I could ask again, but Remember, I sometimes annoy my peers when I bug them about photographing specific movie guns.  So I must tread lightly. ;)  I 'believe' they are from AFO but I wouldn't swear an oath on it. :)  Hope that doesn't ruin the image for you.  ;) hahahaha.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


==[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008 images]]==
===X-Files Part 3: Sunny California===
I found [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 9mm [[Heckler & Koch UMP|UMP]] image on [[http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg16-e.htm]] but if I have permission to upload my image on the [[Heckler & Koch UMP|UMP]] page I think it would make the [[Heckler & Koch UMP|UMP]] page much better. I just uploaded a USC image on the [[Heckler & Koch UMP|UMP]] page and it already looks good.
Very well, I'll get those last couple images out of the way (a couple I'll hang onto for the meantime). Otherwise, back to business - Started capping stuff from S6 yesterday, already noticed a couple slight differences in weaponry from the LA move - M16A1s mocked up as A2s rather than the OAs or SP1 rifles and a Colt revolver (never seen those previously). Also, need to change the listing on my WIP S6 page - the Nazi boarders in Triangle all had Lugers rather than P38s. I'll hit a few more episodes before uploading caps and such. And on it goes... [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:44, 23 November 2014 (EST)
: Oh yes, I knew there'd be some changes there for sure. Glad for the tips on potential armories supplying the show in LA. As I get into these latter seasons I'll check those references and see what looks good and all that. Don't know much myself, but again, I'll discover and learn more as I go. I figured your knowledge was a lock on the Vancouver shows where Felcan was involved but you might be a bit light on the LA seasons - It's all good though, I've been figuring out most of it as I go so this won't be any different for me. As always though, I'll appreciate any input you can give. IIRC, firearms were a bit more spread out in the latter seasons, my guess would probably be because of budget (moving to LA meant a big increase in the production costs of the show, among other things), but again, we'll see as I carry on. By the way, I'm curious - When you say you stopped watching the show, was that in the context of technically for this site's purposes or did you mean you actually ceased watching the series itself? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:33, 23 November 2014 (EST)
:: I gotcha. I'm no hardcore fan but have seen it quite a bit now - I myself enjoy the whole show but will admit I have more mixed feelings about the latter half of the series. I started watching the show as a kid at the sixth season, so these later years hold some nostalgic presence there. Re-watching the whole show I found the later seasons definitely subpar to the earlier stuff, but much of it was still watchable for the most part - I myself liked Season 8 with Robert Patrick a good bit. But I agree overall quality of the show went down somewhat, and I agree with many that the tone changed from filming in LA, and not really for the better. I could say more but all-told, I get where you're coming from. While I like some portions of the series more than others, again, I more-or-less enjoy the whole show, which I guess makes me a good fit for going through it all again and documenting it. As for the guns, I know some stuff will be harder to nail down, but I'll figure it out as I've been doing. Was nice to have all your detailed input for the prior stuff but with or without, I'll manage. Good tip on the MK23 - If that's "Aqua Mala", I take it that would be one of the guns seen in the apartment of that one dude, correct? Well anyway, you're right, that piece was not common, well, anywhere at that time (certainly not in productions). I will keep an eye for it when I get to it, thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (EST)
::: Well, some of the carbines (at least one I saw) had a regular barrel and flash-hider rather than the XM/CAR-style, but that one was hard to cap.. The vast majority of them are fitted with mock XM flash-hiders though so I'll just consolidate the lot. I do agree that last one is actually a full-size rifle. I'll fix it up - Appreciate the look-over and assistance, as usual. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 12:44, 26 November 2014 (EST)
:::: Uploaded a new round of stuff, including the Mk23, got some decent grabs of it methinks. Got a couple of unIDs on the Talk page I could use a hand with when you get a free minute. Also, I noticed you don't have X-Files on your main page's TV contribs list. After all the help you've given me for these pages? For shame, sir! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 1 December 2014 (EST)


==I guess it was inevitable==
== Virtuosity ==
Getting more and more requests for pics or .... discovering that people are just jacking the images in general.  I found a local gun store who jacked some of my images for their inventory page.  They had the gall to actually put their own copyright on the image.  Anyway I was dealing with that, but I guess it's inevitable.  I've electronically tagged the images now with copyright info.  Regardless of what they do to the pic, certain software can positively ID it as mine.  Professional photographers and professional artists are starting to really police the net when it comes to people stealing their stuff.  Some kid posting the pic on his "guns I like " page is innocuous.  Some business owner posting the images in his catalogue and then marking them as his copyright is actionable.  What makes it a little harder is that IMFDB has jacked it's own images from others.  I see new members lifting pics  (and sometimes text) whole from other sites, which is irritating since some of them still jack images for guns we already have LEGAL pics of.    Just so you know, :)  I will try to keep doing what I am doing until the entire site has exclusive content and we won't have to 'jack' anyone else's images.  I know that's impossible, but I will try to get as close as I can. 


I also have had some other folks polite enough to request usage rights (which is good nettiquette and shows that at least they are honest), but I'm still not willing at this point to give anyone permission outside of IMFDB.  Hope you understand my thinking and if you have any advice please let me know.
Thanks for adding the weapons. Yeah, I might be changing them to HD in the future. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 23:03, 14 December 2014 (EST)


As far as the Wiki guy.  I posted the flip side of the gun he wanted.  What do you think?  I wanted some input before I let him have this one. Is the courtesy notice too much?
[[Image:CetmeAmeliIMFDBVer2.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Cetme Ameli - Courtesy of IMFDB.org - 5.56mm]]


:Excellent photograph. The watermark, though not favoured on Wikipedia, is fine. It is your property after all. My only qualm would be the label on the right side. The image will be placed in an infobox with a caption, making it redundant. Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.226.200|99.232.226.200]] 14:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
==Custom Assault Pistol==
Yeah go ahead and change it to the correct information.  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:19, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Actually I'm sort of in the middle of changing some stuff on that gun page. I was gonna ask if it was really made for Timecop, among other things, since some of the info doesn't jive - ''The X-Files'' appears to be it's first ever appearance (pre-dating ''Timecop'' by almost a year) and them being made because of the 1994 Clinton ban doesn't sound right as Canada wouldn't be subject to it (though I know they had their own import and 'assualt weapons' bans in the 90s, though I forget the details right now). Anyway, could you let me put in a couple things and then you can spruce it up as you please? I like those names - I think they'll work as much an anything. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:27, 16 January 2015 (EST)


==New Pics==
''Timecop'' was released in 1994, but was produced in 1993. It would make more sense that these weapons would be created for a high budget feature film instead of a first year television series. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I replaced the USP 45 with an exclusive pic... ;)
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|250px|HK USP - .45acp]]
Check out this pic.  FNC sporter (the semi auto rifle imported into the U.S. all throughout the 1980s and the most common weapon in movie armories).
[[Image:FNC REM Sporter.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|FNC Sporter - 5.56mm]]
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


==Other forums==
:: I was following the "Timecop Beretta" model for naming the weapon.  Was there an instance of the long barreled version? All the versions on the site appear to be short barreled sometimes fitted with barrel shrouds. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:40, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: ''"I know people have been talking about IMFDB and its images on quite a few gun forums, but I had no clue anybody would have the audacity to take your images and claim them as their own!"''
Do you know of any gun forums that discuss IMFDB in regards to our photos?  I've been checking to see if we created any sort of buzz for months and I've found nothing.  If you would be so kind, I would really appreciate some links to some of these forums. Are we being bashed or praised. ;)  You have piqued my curiosity.  I know you try to promote the site but I sure would like to see the general perception from others in other forums.  Thanks and best regards. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


==''The Park is Mine'' Machine Gun==
::: I think the appearances in ''X-Files'' and ''M.A.N.T.I.S.'', though notable as being the first appearances and well before the release of ''Timecop'', were tangential - I'm with Ben that I too think they were most likely made specially for the film. Of course they could just be props to have, much like the MP5K mockups we've seen through ''X-Files'', but I'm not too sure. Anyway, those first pre-film appearances are notable, as they should be, and I do intend to make note of them (''The X-Files'' definitely, as we have more extensive pages on it, and was the second earliest ever appearance (the first being on the ''Highlander'' TV series - thanks, MT), and the first appearance we have on the site). The name, well, I don't mind either/or - I'm not too shot in the ass about it either way honestly. I'd rather the technical details correct more than anything. But I wouldn;t mind naming it something else, as it avoids the discrepancy about the earlier appearances entirely. Either way though. As for the 'long barrel' version, well the long shrouded versions look like they have an extended barrel under the shroud, but I'm not too certain. I would, if possible, like a way to differentiate between the long shrouded and short-shrouded/non-shrouded variants. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:43, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Just edited the gun page with what I hope is more accurate info. I wanted to keep it in the vein of neutrality in regards to the productions - I think the description info works whether they were especially for ''Timecop'' or not. If I missed anything, go ahead and spruce it up. On the name issue I'm still good either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:50, 16 January 2015 (EST)


I'm pretty certain it's an [[MG42]] machine gun Mitch is using at the climax of ''[[The Park is Mine]]''. The rounds in the spare ammo belt he's carrying look too long to be 7.62x51mm NATO rounds as used by the [[MG42#MG3|MG3]] (which are shorter in comparison to the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge). Plus as pointed out by MPM2008, an MG42 would make more sense in the context of the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 13:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::: It's possible that the "longer barrel" version is the same weapon with a newer longer shell built over the original in order to accommodate a carry strap and a newer longer shroud was placed over the original barrel.  The screenshots from [[Crying Freeman]] and [[Smallville - Season 3]] show the differences in more detail. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:15, 16 January 2015 (EST)
Well, details about the two variants/versions of the gun aside (I think Ben may make a point, looking at the X-files caps, the shrouded gun doesn't seem to have the longer frame of that other gun, so perhaps it was a mod of the same weapon after the fact), sounds like we're pretty much of the same mind. I certainly see the benefits of renaming and don't see any downside (aside from changing the listings, but that's not such a big deal). Even if it's same gun, is clear there were several different variants, even if they were only slight mods of the one design. So I guess maybe should make names for the early version with shroud and without, and one for the newer modded/other variant as well. Anyway, if you can get all that going, I'm good to go. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:24, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Interesting bit about the Cobra TV series, should make a note of that as well. In fact, though it's not of great quality, should try and see if you can rip some caps of of those clips - It would be nice to have an actual showing of what seems to be the first ever appearance of the gun. Also, on an unrelated note, might wanna consider archiving some of your talk page, would reduce of bit of scrolling on our part. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)


==Got it, finally :)==
== The Truth Is Out There (Hopefully in BC) ==
[[Image:AKMSPistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS Custom - 7.62x39mm]]
Now I will be updating with this pic. :)
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


==auto 9==
Heh, had a bit of fun with the title - All this X-Files watching has rubbed off me a bit (I've heard rumblings they may be bringing X-Files back in one form or another, that might be pretty awesome too). That is cool about the trip, hope it goes well and you are able to get some final details if you can on those custom SMG (among other things I would think). And also, thanks - Still got most of S9 to finish up (and the last run of cross-listings to go with it) but definitely on the final leg of this project at this point. This has been the most daunting project I've done to date here (And will probably be the most daunting one I'll ever do for quite a while), but I am happy to get a show that is so iconic and a favorite of many people (present company included of course) as well-documented on the site as I can. And to think how it was a year ago.. Bah! I should thank you in-turn though, as all of your background details (especially on the Vancouver-half of the show) have been enormously helpful in adding to the technical aspect of the pages and getting them as comprehensive as possible.
glad you liked the new pic.  I'm trying now to get more specific movie guns, rather than classic examples of the gun types. That particular 93R was a rebuild from a damaged one that exploded back in the early 1990s. I have no idea where the Robo parts came from. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


Also, after doing a bit of extra spelunking on the site, I'm pretty sure both Gibbons LTD and Hand Prop Room handled the firearms for the LA portion of the show - I know HPR had those modded Rugers along with a couple other things but the Kurt Russell film ''[[Soldier]]'' seems to be the first film to feature the H&K Mark 23 pistol (S6 of XF seems to be the first TV show to do so), and it seems Gibbons was behind that production, best I can tell. Several other more particular weapons from that film match up with ones in the series, namely the converted SPPs and AKU-94 bullpup seen along with the modded Mini-14 in S7. So I'm pretty sure both Gibbons and HPR had a hand in the show. There doesn't seem to be much in ''JAG'' that crosses, a couple things are of note - ''JAG'' featured a USP in its 2nd season (when they were still quite new) and XF had one in S6 (and I just capped another yesterday from S9), but I'm not sure if that's a concrete connection, of course. Main thing is some of the ''JAG'' pages don't seem to be too well-documented. Another thing is the different style and subject matter of the shows means they had no need to have the same weapons (not a lot of M16s, M60s and such appeared on the latter portion of the X-Files, sadly) and of course there is the practical consideration of doing both productions concurrently so that might have split some of the stuff they could've used.. Just some thoughts mainly. Anyway, once again, thanks for the kudos and hope the trip is a lock and all goes well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:07, 27 January 2015 (EST)


== Un-released movies ==
: I'm not registered on the forum - I know, you'd think someone who's been around as long as me would have joined up but alas, no. I try to keep my internet checking and stuff as streamlined as possible (hell, I didn't even join Facebook 'til about a year ago) and while I maybe could contribute on the board, just never felt a strong enough urge to actually do so. I do check it anonymously from time to time in case something might be up (news about the site and such), but that's about it. That might change at some point, but right now, I'm fine with sticking with contributing on just the wiki itself. Sorry if this is an inconvenience on your part though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:18, 29 January 2015 (EST)
:: Way to give me an excuse - your message sounds most intriguing. Just made a request, should get signed up in short order. Probably looking at being on there tomorrow. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:29, 30 January 2015 (EST)
::: Haven't gotten a reply for registration on the forum request page - If I try to register straight on the board it says it's disabled by admin. Basically it seems to me that you (or another admin) have to set me up an account. I never registered nor attempted to register any time prior on the forum, so it's not like I have a user that I can't get into, I'm totally fresh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:51, 31 January 2015 (EST)
:::: Well you have to have an email as part of signing up on here, so that might be where bunni comes in - bunni can view the email addresses of users on here and use that to set up forum accounts and email us the details. Or so I assume, anyway. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:23, 31 January 2015 (EST)


Let us say I were to have access to a film which had not been released into theatres yet. Let us further say there were firearms in the film. Would it be frowned upon if I were to create a page for the movie?
:I used to be a fan of this phenomenal 90s show. If you make it to BC, please see if you get to the real identity of those unidentified guns. Or, in the words of the "Well-Manicured Man": "Find the truth in BC. Only then will you realize the true scope and grandeur of the project." --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 19:40, 31 January 2015 (EST)
[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


== Duplicate Page ==
Well, to be frank I guess I could have had you PM me on FB or even send me an email directly  -Still can actually, but that's up to you. I'd love to hear juicy details but I won't feel horrible if not. That said, good to have the skinny there on the KAC rifle - I wasn't ever sure if it was the real deal or a mockup, we've had semi-conflicting entries on these Vancouver-produced media pages so it's good to have some exact info here. I've been doing another go-through on the X-Files pages so I'll modify those listings accordingly in-addition. Can't wait to hear what other details will be revealed. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 12:58, 2 February 2015 (EST)


An anonymous user created a duplicate page of the HK 416 just a few minutes ago. I will leave you and the other admins to deal with it, but I just wanted to let you know. [[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 22:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm starting to go through listings for the KAC rifle entries we have listed and modify them accordingly. Probably won't be able to get them all this evening but should crack through most if not all of them over the next couple of days or so. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:03, 2 February 2015 (EST)


==24==
==Custom Machine Pistol==
I didn't put that entry in for Sutherland. I was just correcting the spelling of his name[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, go ahead. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:08, 2 February 2015 (EST)
: Kewl! Good to have all of this stuff. I'll let you finish up the gun page(s) and see what you end up with - You can do it yourself of course if you're so inclined but if not I'll be happy to modify the listings on the X-Files S1 page accordingly once you're done (As well as with any other pages, if you need, of course). Again, awesome to have all this info, thanks for your sleuthing here. My condolences in regards to the fella who originally came up with these things, BTW - I wish his folks the best and am glad we got to enjoy seeing these pieces in several noted pieces of film and television (and documenting them accordingly, as well). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:21, 2 February 2015 (EST)
:: Page looks real good, nice job. EDIT - Looks like you've handled all those entries on the respective media pages as well as the redirects and such, so I guess that makes my task easier, heh. If it's alright, I'm gonna just add a bit to those listings (essentially noting their appearance in BC productions and also noting the earliest appearances on the respective pages, as that's something we do with other listed firearms), but otherwise looks like you've done all the heavy lifting here. Again, well done. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:24, 2 February 2015 (EST)


==Re:Gunner313==
== I Want To Be DONE ==
The Remington 700 pic of Swagger cycling out a blank round is the blu-ray shot from Legions of Fate's website. I had literally just been looking at it before I noticed on here. It says on the image that he uploaded it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
: I'm replacing the shot on Heat of the Ruger KP90 now, since that is from Legions of Fate's website as well. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]


==Lord of War==
And with ''[[The X-Files]]'' I am.. But I'm not! Well sorta. First off, I never think you're totally done on these kinds of things.. That said, I have finished the main pages especially the images and all (despite having to go back and get an episode worth of screencaps because my old computer, which for months I've been waiting to get back online, and did for a couple weeks, took a total shit on me the other day and might be fried for good.. Bah). Anyway, need to do the second and final round of gun page cross listings/linkings, and a couple other things. I removed just about all the old data that was archived on the original talk page (though I locally backed up any significant pieces of listings/etc), got a couple extra images and stuff I might put on the talk page. Also, I've been toying with the idea of using the Infobox, I don't wanna use it on the main page (everytime I've tried it, it looks off, plus the TV Infobox doesn't work too well when you have films and such, etc), but I might put 'em on the individual season pages, ala ''NCIS'' and the like. But I thought I'd see what you think there. Either way, at least I've got the series pages more-or-less as complete as can be at this point, and I certainly am proud and happy about that. Not to be redundant, but I thank you again for all the help you've given on this. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:45, 9 February 2015 (EST)
Would you mind if in the near future if I added screencaps to [[Lord of War]]? I was watching it and noticed you missed a few things on the page. Plus it's the two disc with commentary and special feattures so I could add extra information. I wouldn't be able to do it right now but it would be on my list right after [[Get Smart]]. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
: Ahem, was starting to go about setting up the Infobox templates as well as add filming/production categories per this previous yak here - In terms of both Categorizing and listing on the Infobox templates for the season pages, should it only be listed as Canadian Produced/Filmed for the first five seasons and combine USA/Canada for the rest (They were filmed in LA, but I believe Chris Carter's company 1013 Productions is Canadian, not certain though - maybe you could fill me in on that) and/or should USA be noted for all the pages (Per the FOX network, etc)? I'll ask a couple other folks but as you're fairly well-read on this show I'd really like your input on this. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:34, 13 February 2015 (EST)


:I'm glad you noticed I've been cutting down on the screenshots. >:( You didn't add shots of those Vz 58 rifles in the arsenal, which according to the director were 2000 real guns rented by an arms dealer for the days of shooting, because it was cheaper to rent real guns than fake ones.
:: That's cool, I know other stuff happens (boy do I know that.. bah!), but appreciate the reply. It is indeed an awesome show, was glad to watch the whole thing proper and glad to go back through it for the site. Anyway, I agree about categorizing the first five seasons as such; that's what I figured would be best to do, anyway. Talking with Funkychinaman though, the Filmed/Produced Categories are meant to lean more to actual production rather than just filming location (And Ten Thirteen is actually USA-based, as I've found out), still, I think it will be okay to mark the first five seasons as Canadian (As well as the second film), as the filming location played a big part there. We'll see. Also, on FCM's advice, I'm planning on doing some writeups for the season pages - I got rough drafts for S1 and S2 already, with ideas to expound on for the other seasons (some of them be a bit dry, as there wasn't much going behind the scenes in some seasons). I fear they'll end up a bit long in some cases, but I'm looking forward to doing them and have to admit they will be a nice addition along with the Infoboxes.<BR>Also, per your note on the MP5 mockups, that sounds pretty neat, hope you can get more info there too. It would be good to have some details on them, hopefully enough to maybe make a independent section on the MP5 page for them perhaps. Hope to hear more soon, thanks! [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:54, 15 February 2015 (EST)
::: Talking with FCM, it's a no-go at this point on using Canada produced categories. No big deal, I'll just note the Vancouver filming in the season writeups I'm preparing. That said, I just posted ones for the first two seasons on my newly-made [[User:StanTheMan/Sandbox|Sandbox page]]. Let me know what you think when you can. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:43, 16 February 2015 (EST)


You also just missed a few shots that would be considered great on the site. I had no intention of muddling up the page with 20 screencaps. I try not to do that unless I feel it necessary.
==Ellis NFA List==
Do you still have a copy of the Ellis Props & Graphics NFA gun list from the Long Mountain Outfitters website? It's not available on the site or the Wayback Machine.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 19:16, 4 June 2015 (EDT)


IMO, adding a lot of screencaps is not being messy, it is being thorough. I show different users at different parts of the film. Since we have gun pages and actor pages which list these users, some proof helps. Last Man Standing was my one mistake, don't hold that against me.
== X-Files Miniseries ==


But you have your opinions and I have mine. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
I spotted that, and have heard other sources also citing it as 'Season 10' but I'm still not sure anything's totally concrete or completely definitive though. Production numbers can be iffy. There is an official X-Files comic-book series which ''is'' actually called "Season 10", however, which complicates matters a bit to me (of course that doesn't factor in the case of this site really, but still). All-told I'm just trying to skirt that issue entirely right now. I don't see using just the episode numbers themselves being a problem for the time being - We can always change it later. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:42, 25 January 2016 (EST)
: Bah, hard to tell sometimes - I don't like IDing Glocks.. I agree with ya though, and we happen to have ''4th'' Gen Glocks out nowadays. Funny how that works. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)
:: Well, looks like that little issue has now been resolved. Not much to my liking, but whatever - it is what it is. The show's pretty good and going well, whatever they care to call it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:43, 3 February 2016 (EST)


==Do you think I was too harsh on KIN93?==
== AR-15 page error ==
Curious to know your thoughts.  I was pretty stern when I warned against uploading obvious Bootlegs on the [[Defiance]] page.  I also didn't buy his explanation that the movie [[Tunnel Rats]] has been seen in theaters in Europe already.  Having been released in theaters is a big difference than having been released on DVD.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


First time posting in talk, please be gentle... noticed the following comment in the description of the Colt 933 (RO933) (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M16_rifle_series#Colt_Model_933): "This has led some people (including Airsoft manufacturers) to nickname it the "M4 Commando" or "M4 CQB", though these are not its official designations.". Actually, a simple visit to the official Colt website reveals that Colt does in fact refer to the 11.5" as the M4 Commando officially. (http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Law-Enforcement/Products/Colt-M4-Commando#97715-technical-specifications) Does it get more official than Colt advertising it as such? Could we maybe ditch the info provided by airsofters???--[[User:RealEveryDay|RealEveryDay]] ([[User talk:RealEveryDay|talk]]) 03:59, 25 July 2016 (EDT)


== Jericho story is too questionable ==
== Fourth War ==


Knowing some about government, military and control, I find it hard to believe with some of the stuff that happened. I mean sure the nuclear attack is one thing and ppl's shock and awe of it and maybe even the highways have turned into Road Warriors world, but this Allied States of America. In mere months, a new government was formed, with a new flag that's been printed everywhere in fabric, new currency and the loyalties of military when there is still a United States of America on the east side? It just seems...too weird. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I will take care of the screenshots, but if there's any more weapons ID missing, you can add them. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 03:51, 1 October 2018 (EDT)


== Thanks ==
==Forum account recovery down==
Hey, I'm trying to log into the forum but I got logged out and can't recover my account because the CAPTCHA is down. Any idea who I should message about that?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:05, 26 November 2018 (EST)


Thanks for getting rid of the unneeded M4 picture, I didn't want it up there much either. I think it was an airsoft gun too because I looked up the image name and found it on a airsoft forum. Once again, thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
==The Stand Glock==
It's me. ''The Stand'' was the first page I built back in 2009.I still visit it on a frequnet basis. I keep bouncing back and forth on whether it's a Glock 19 or 17. I grabbed my DVD and found the security guard shot. I see what you're saying. It is very likely a Glock 19. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 18:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


I agree, if we got pictures of every configuration an M4 can be in, we would have tons. But anyway I think the three M4s we have are already good enough, and it shouldn't matter what the configuration is. I disliked the picture becaused it looked bad next to the other three, and it was unneccessarily large, I mean 25% of the picture was the M4, and 75% was the rug it was laying on. And once again, thanks, and great work on The Beast screengrabs by the way.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
== Sicario  ==


== Thanks! ==
Dont ask me about it, I didnt identify the Beretta. I was just fixing second person pronouns. Ask the Beretta identification questions on the movies talk page. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


Thanks for helping with my Sopranos page, I've been trying to screencap in each episode I watch. Also, thanks for helping with the "non gun" they used in the third season, it had me wondering for sure - good find! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
If nobody objects to your arguments, and you have good enough reference images to back up your arguments, you can always just edit the page; you do not need admin approval. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


== A little help ==
== SP89/MP5K ==


I just started my [[Police Story 3: Supercop]] page, but I need some help IDing some of the guns. Can you give me a hand? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Forgive me in advance, if my response comes off sounding like I'm in a bad mood and/or being sarcastic. I'm being curious, I was just browsing through and me, being more or less attentive to detail, I noticed the nomenclature "SP89" and I was like "what" and then I edited it. I'm over here thinking, so if the civilian versions of certain firearms fully converted, they turn into their actual select-fire variants? (i.e. SP89s into the MP5Ks, M4A1 Clones into M4A1s, MR556A1s into HK416s and etc.). Another thing that I've been very curious about since you brought this up, would you consider the SP89 used by [[Jason Statham]] & [[Paul Walker]] in ''[[Furious 7]]'' partially converted or fully converted since it had the SEF Trigger and the PDW Stock, but no Paddle Mag Release?
[[User:I&#39;mallaboutguns.1|I&#39;mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 20:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you very much for this info, I feel less confused about this. I like the fact that they (the motion picture armories) go to great lengths of making their civilian variant guns into looking like the actual Military/LE weapons, since I'm a gun nut, I like to pay attention to detail to the weapons in movies & TV shows and I also want to make some of my guns look like the screen-used weapons in the vast majority of films/TV programs in the near future, just wanted to put that out there. [[User:I&#39;mallaboutguns.1|I&#39;mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I&#39;mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 14:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


== Question About Bond Actor Category ==
== Norinco ==


I was wondering, in the "James Bond Actor" category page, should we limit it to actors who've played James Bond himself, or should we allow 'supporting' actors such as Bond girls (ie, [[Halle Berry]] & [[Honor Blackman]]) and villians (such as [[Robert Carlyle]] & [[Gert Fröbe]])? I'm proposing this to several admins and would like to get some feedback on this before making a decision. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
On point 1: I need a source on that claim about Norinco vs Poly Technologies wood. Additionally, even if you can prove that it was a Norinco-exported Type 56, calling it a "Norinco Type 56" is still a misnomer; it misleads the users into believing that it was manufactured by Norinco/Norinco Group. Habits and traditions are no excuse for misinformation.


==You around?==
On point 2: Yes, I am fully prepared to edit out "Norinco" on every single page. Not just the Type 56s, but also the QBZ-95s and the QBU-88s. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 01:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Or is life just kicking your butt? :)  Well I have a slow month right now, but it could kick into high gear any moment. As soon as I'm on a location or working my butt off for a movie shoot, i'm outta here for a least a few weeks (or months).  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


==The Departed==
: Thank you for your response. I want you to be aware of that the main issue I take with the "Norinco" prefix is not because "some of the guns are Poly Tech", but rather that these rifles were never manufactured by Norinco or Poly Tech; Norinco and Poly Technologies are marketing companies, a.k.a. exporters, that export Type 56s manufactured by Chinese state factories. I have Chinese sources saying that Norinco had no manufacturing capability whatsoever. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 22:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I read what you had to change on [[The Departed]] page. I really hate some anonymous users. Should we block him or just warn him (I'd just block him since if he is willing to write this, it is obvious he doesn't care about being punished). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Thanks, what were you in DC for. The inaguration? Everyone has been talking about how much they hate Obama in my school. I refuse to say such a thing until I actually see what he does. Biden on the other hand, can go suck dick and die (excuse the term), I know what he's done before and hate him with every fiber of my being. Anyway, hope you enjoyed you stay. Glad to see your back. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::P.S. I'm adding season two of Mail Cal now. I'm surprised to see how no one attempt to ID the unknowns at the bottom of the page though.
:Maybe not forever. Who knows, in four years, we could have Tom Selleck as our president for all we know. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]


These are some really good observations. I think that right now, while we are in agreement that the Type 56 probably shouldn't be prefixed with "Norinco", your argument that it is OK for gun names to be prefixed with their branded companies even if they aren't their manufacturers (the BCM vs Vltor situation) has merit. Hell, I myself haven't fully committed to the "total Norinco purge" because I chose to replace the Norinco prefix with a "Norinco-branded" note in the captions of guns like the [[Type 86S|(Norinco?) Type 86S]].


==Kiraly 39M/43M Submachine Gun==
I'm not sure where exactly to go from here to resolve this "branding company vs manufacturing company" issue of gun nomenclature. I'm thinking maybe I should discuss with some firearm history experts and look into how other websites (e.g. Wikipedia) deal with these kinds of firearm nomenclature issues. My plan is that eventually, we should be able to develop a rigorous set of gun naming rules to determine if a gun's name should or shouldn't be prefixed with a company name, and if a "branding-only" company name is OK as a prefix. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 00:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


I recently stumbled on this article on this site and something about it struck me as a little odd.  In addition to the wording a diagram of the operating system of the weapon was included which seemed really familiar.  I checked and, sure enough, the whole article, word for word and picture for picture had been directly lifted from http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg104-e.htm . This is the most blatant example of plagarism I have seen on this site.  I contacted you because, as an Admin and as far as I know, you monitor such things. - [[Charon68]]
== Did something change in how we title movies? ==


==Glock 19 and welcome back from Liberal land==
I've noticed several NON ADMIN members or new members changing the titling of films by moving "the" from the end of the title to the beginning. This affects how the films are sorted in the alphabetical sorting. Most film directories remove "the" from titles and move it to the back of the name, so that we don't have a huge grouping of movies sorted under the letter "T".  I'm seeing more and more members (whom I don't know that well) making these changes.  Has our sorting protocol officially changed?  Thanks.  best [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 19:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Why I hope you didn't drink the kool-aid and start having that glassy eyed almost religious fanaticism that I saw on the television about the 'regal coronation ceremony'.......
: This page move was a project I have been planning after I was promoted to the Administrator position last year by site owner bunni. With the agreement of other site admins (including Bunni) on the IMFDB discord, we changed IMFDB's rules (see [[IMFDB_Style_Guide|Style Guide]]) on titles that begin with "The"; instead of physically moving the titles to have "The" placed at their ends, we instead make use of a MediaWiki feature, the DEFAULTSORT magic word (see [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words MediaWiki] documentation), to fix their sortings. This way, the pages will be able to keep their actual real life titles (with "The" at the front), which makes wiki editing and other back end management easier. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 19:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I don't usually spend the time on fixing pics when I intent to photograph a real gun of that type.  I fixed pics like the Ukranian FORT-12 because no way in hell am I going to get a 9x18mm Ukranian Fort 12 pistol any time soon.  But when I have the time, which I haven't, I try to reshoot photos of the guns. I have a stack of guns right now that I'm supposed to photograph, but the actual time it takes to stop everyone, and set up the lighting and do the photography takes about 2-6 hours out of a day, which is a bit of a hassle. But I fully intent to photograph one of those 1st gen 19s when I get a chance. Good to have you back. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


==Okay you talked me into it==
== Thanks ==
Since the Glock 19 I was going to photograph, I can't find.  I relented and fixed your pic.  Whatcha think? Edit:  I will delete this image and reload over the other one.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Glock19Pic.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 - 9mm]]
PS also on the Type 56C custom.  There are several guns floating around.  The one in Rambo and Pineapple express have a barrel that looks to be about an inch or two longer than the one in T3.  Also there's the one in True Lies that's REALLY cut down.  I was bummed when I took a hard look at the pics on the movie pages.  I should have photographed more AK pistols when I had the chance  but I thought they all had the same barrel length.  Oh well.  Will try to fix this in the future.
 
== Bourne AR-15s ==
 
Thanks for the quick note about the AR-15s used in ''[[The Bourne Identity (2002)]]''.  I found what you had to say pretty interesting, so I'm going to post it to the page (giving you credit of course) and you can leave it or delete it as you wish. Should I link it to the M16 page, but credit the gun as an AR-15? (I'm not sure where to find the AR-15 page) - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Also thanks for helping out with some of the other screencaps (the Tauruses, etc.) I could try and get a picture of Conklin's gun but I don't think it was on screen enough to get a clear enough image. You're right about the PP, though, it does resemble one more than a P5C for sure. Thanks for the help. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
 
== Live Free or Die Hard ==
 
Hey Matt if you need confirmation on the SBR Mark 12 they have them. I worked on these guns for [[Live Free or Die Hard]]. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
 
 
== The Shadow ==
 
Not A problem to the addition of the interview. That was the first film I worked on it was quite eye opening. The [[Titanic]] photo was from the auction and Syd had a copy so I just cleaned it up. The funny thing is I don't even have a DVD of the movie to get screen captures off of. I will check on the SBR and see if they are in. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
 
== Bourne Supremacy ==
 
Thanks for the help on the page. I definitely wasn't sure about the sniper rifle. I really bit my lip saying it was the WA 2000, but I checked a few other online forums and some other people said it, so I was figuring maybe it was some variant. But if you say it's not, then it most probably isn't. I'll work on getting better shots of the G36/SL8 and the P99 as well. I appreciate your help, thanks! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:The more I look at that Keppeler & Fritz, the more I'm convinced that that's the one. Good find! I'll get to work on those other shots as soon as I can and if you want I can drop you a message once they're up? Also a heads up - I'll probably be working on ''Ultimatum'' (maybe tomorrow night), but that looks like it doesn't need quite as much work. If you have any input, I'd greatly appreciate it, you've been a tremendous help with the others. Thanks - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Okay, you can check both pages now. I added a few extra shots (maybe a little too many, but I wanted to make sure identification would be easier for us). - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
 
 
== Ultimate force revamped ==
 
So how do you like what I did to the Ultimate Force page? It's not finished since I still need to watch the rest of the series, but working on it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:01, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::I just started downloading season 3 and won't get season 4 until a few days. And yeah, I have seen the series a couple times over. A friend of mine had it all, but I never asked him for it. I've downloaded the episodes before, but deleted them for space on my computer and that was before I was on this site. This is a very good series and I really liked it. I wished they made more of this. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Well, I'm downloading season 4 right now. Hopefully will get it by the end of the week. I've been making additions, so can you take a look [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:The few things I wish this series had was up to date M16s and M4s, or at least the British equalivent of those. I guess their armorers weren't equiped with the latest stuff. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::But 500 isn't that big to me. It seems just right. To me, your pics are small. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::Oh and don't get me started on the episode in season 4 where we see how the show portrays the US military when Red Troop goes on a joint op with them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
Alright, I'll do it. I just forgot last night since I was tired and my internet was faulty. Besides, I still got a couple of the unknowns that needs to be ID [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:Not fat an incompentants, but hot heads, arrogant, and cowboys. One even has sunglasses and speaking in a semi-southern accent, another guy said "Ya'll" and another guy's chewing on a toothpick. The "US military" that appeared on the show were supposed to be Green Berets. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:Oh yeah, one of them is a racist [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
::Going on the topic on how this show portrayed Americans, the episode after the US Spec Ops/SAS Joint mission episode, we see a kid on a double decker bus with his parents, obviously from America and pretty much is interjecting everytime the tour guide speaks. The idea behind this kid seems as if he thinks America is the best country in the world kind of personality. Nothing wrong with that, I think the US is the greatest nation in the world, one of the most powerful, etc, but I don't blah my mouth off on it all day long, and if I was in a foriegn country like England, I certainly wouldn't waste my breath to let the entire bus know how prideful of my country I am. Makes you wish this kid got shot in the episode. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:There still are a couple guns I need help IDing. If you can give me a hand? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 
:If only they didn't get rid of Jamie and Caroline. They were good characters. Jem and Ricky were my other favorites because of the humor I get from them. In the first 2 seasons, Caroline saw combat, even though she was a trooper. Why couldn't they do that with Becca when they introduced her in season 3? All she had to do was replace Caroline's job. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Usable pic?==
I was tempted to reshoot this on a pintle mount so that I can get closer to the gun.  Let me know if this format is preferable.  I am still tempted to reshoot some of the Aircraft guns much closer so that we see more of the gun and less of the mount.  I had to shoot it in the warehouse and digitally wipe out everything else with white (what a pain!) since I was alone and this sucker was TOO heavy to lift by myself! ;) 
[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Browning M2HB on Tripod Mount - .50 BMG]]
best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
BTW: I need a photo wish list again, so please let me know which guns you really want to see a good pic of :)  I will try to track them down for  pics. :)
 
==Help on Alex Reid==
I have a bunch of screencaps of British Actress Alex Reid using or holding guns in other films and was going to create an actor page for her.  But I have never seen Ultimate Force.  Does she, playing the character ''Captain Caroline Walshe'', use any guns in the show  Ultimate Force?[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
PS thanks for the input of on the M2.  I have another one in the safe, but the barrel is off and i have to install the barrel myself (gun with barrel is around 99 lbs)  Again it's more than one person can do easily.  I need a wish list, I may see Mike Papac at Cinema Weaponry soon.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
== Re: Beretta M9 ==
 
You're right about the M9, there are some other minor differences in the frame, but nothing too important. It was a stupid thing to ask for, as you said, they're are more important things the site needs. I told MPM2008 to scrap it from his wishlist. Best regards--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Wikipedia pirate==
Koalorka who contacted me before, graciously alerted me as to some guy uploading my pics as his.  Since Wikipedia is pretty good about pirated images, especially when the author complains, they take them down.  Are you a wiki member?  I was just curious if you knew the protocols.  Thanks.
 
Check out these images on Wikipedia....  Look familiar?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20090124031005&target=Josh+Woolstenhulme
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/M1_Garand.jpg
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/M1903Mark1.jpg
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/AKMRifle.jpg
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/SMLE.jpg
 
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Alex Reid==
Thanks so much on helping with Alex Reid! :)  I screencapped her movie "Arachnid" and are just preparing the images for upload and wanted to make an ACTOR page for her.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:09, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Out of town starting late tonight==
Am going on location and meeting with a director and television executive for the standard business stuff, but I will be traveling between midnight tonight and Tuesday, so I will be offline until then.  So if I don't answer a question right away, it's because I'm in a meeting or on location.  Thanks.  best regards  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Out of town starting late tonight==
Am going on location and meeting with a director and television executive for the standard business stuff, but I will be traveling between midnight tonight and Tuesday, so I will be offline until then.  So if I don't answer a question right away, it's because I'm in a meeting or on location.  Thanks.  best regards  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 
==Hitman==
I had Hitman in my box of to do movies but I forgot to add it to my list. I'll let you do it though because you went through the trouble of buying it. Also, check the special feattures because they have an armorer show off the guns in the film. He is without a doubt the dumbest armorer alive and you see him shoot blank guns (with a side frame box showing the rounds hit things). It is horrible to watch. But some of the guns in the movie are hard to catch (like the FN F2000s are only visible for a few seconds). And by all means remove those other images, yours will beat any of the ones on the page now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I have the two disc unrated which means I have an extra disc for a digital copy (which is pretty useless to me, but it does have special feattures, I'll probably add shots then). By all means keep the publicity photos (Olyphant pointing the P-18 at the screen is the best), but some aren't necessary (like the FBI guy with his USP, which was likely found on google. Some of these look like crap on a page but that first shot is really crystal clear). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I almost forgot, I'm going to upload Windtalkers soon. While some might find this weird, for my cat's burial yesterday, I fired seven blanks through my Mini-14, like a military/police funeral. Obviously she wasn't in any service but it made my mom happy, since both her mom and dad were in the marines and got similair services. It was a lot for a cat but she was a good cat and I've had her a long time. Anyway, I did a decent job of keeping the screencaps low for Windtalkers, but sometimes, too many great shots are present. Highest I got to is nine. Then I'll get [[Shoot 'Em Up]] done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
 
== More Airsoft ==
 
So what do you think of my new pictures I got in my profile. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Check these out :) ==
[[Image:KimberCustomIISWAT_Jackson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom Kimber TLE II pistol with Surefire light - this is the exact pistol used by the team in the movie ''[[SWAT]]''.  This one is Samuel L. Jackson's actual pistol in the movie (and was carried by him)]]
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This is the screen used SIG P220R used by Bruce Willis in the movie ''[[Live Free and Die Hard]]''.  This one is Bruce Willis's actual pistol in the movie (and was carried by him and fired by him)]]
[[Image:StarBNickelPulpFiction.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nickel plated STAR Model B - 9mm pistol from the movie ''[[Pulp Fiction]]''.  This one is Samuel L. Jackson's actual pistol in the movie (and was carried by him)]]
[[Image:StarBUntouchablesScreenGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blued STAR Model B - 9mm pistol from the movie ''[[The Untouchables (1987)]]''.  This one is a screen used and fired handgun in the movie and was used by Kevin Costner on screen. ''Normally on generic guns I retouch out big scratches on the finish, but this is an original piece used in the film and the scratches are what identify it as authentic to people who know what Costner was firing.'']]
 
I got tons more, but I have to clean up the pics....
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Check out Gunmaster45's talk page==
And you'll the guns from "the Quick and the Dead" that I sent to him ;)  I will be trying to get nearly all the weapons in that movie.  Some are long gone (one was stolen off the set) and the others are in private collections (like famous producers), but I am trying hard.  Hope  you guys like the image quality.  I'm not fond of LMO's pics and I always think I can take better pics of the guns than they did (but then I also work hard in post production to clean up the shot). best regards
 
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==More pics==
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Vincent's Smith & Wesson 5906 from ''[[Collateral]]'' - 9mm.  This is a screen used gun. Note the late model 5906 pistols have the rounded trigger guard. ]]
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|400px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9mm.  The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:S&W5904LateModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Late Model Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9mm.  The early model 5904 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but S&W changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
 
These others were also screen used, but I need to recheck and verify what.  BTW, I do 'scramble' the serial numbers (in Photoshop) when they are visible so that nosy people can't track down the original SN for the movie gun.  I have TONS more pics, but I don't want to sit here all night.  I have another gig to go to :)  I also replaced the TEC-9 image with a good one and will be replacing a bunch more. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Hitman Special Feattures==
I'm saving shots for Hitman now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==Mixed up berettas==
you know you may be right, or the tags in the case might be on the wrong guns.  I will call the "curator" tomorrow and double check.  Figures, I usually take a photo of the ID tag on the gun, but I didn't have time so I didn't on all of the premiere Hollywood Hero guns.  And they also had "short hand".  I think I may have mentally confused DH 2-3-4 with LW2-3-4.  I have to double check that.  I made over 30 images updates last night, new P9S, New Model 19 from Lethal Weapon, I replaced the old images on the AMT longslide and AMT 5", New Para Ordnance P14, New Kimber TLE II, Added the Beretta 92S and 92SB, added a remington 1100 tactical, replaced the S&W 586, added the screen used S&W 3913 from Demolition Man, added the early S&W 5904, etc.  When I have that much stuff, I might get some stuff mixed up.  THANKS for the eagle eyes!  I will double check based on your excellent observations!. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==You're right, I screwed up==
I did find ONE of my snapshots of the case and found this.    I mixed up a bunch of the berettas, ARGHH!!!  I have to double check all of them again.
[[Image:DisplayCase01.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
This is a snap I usually do to double check my work.    Note that the extended 92F I had was actually the Demolition Man gun, not the LH gun.  I did snap a shot of the LH gun, but now I have to find it.  THANKS for the eagle eyes!  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Checks==
That's Stembridge's display case.  Yes, they're back.  Syd only sold off all of his full auto stuff, his western and pre-1945 stuff.  But his handguns and post 1945 long guns are still around.  '''Also I would prefer to check with Mike myself. ''' Don't want to step on his toes for verification, because Steve (like 99% of us) doesn't have this stuff memorized, and he will have to call Mike anyway, so I would rather do it.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)  But Mike helped me with a bunch of stuff.  When the pic is a generic image of a  particular gun, I usually just photograph my OWN inventory.  But  he has some really interesting hero guns.  As for multiple guns, most of the time there are FOUR guns, 1 primary, 1 backup, and 2 extra for catastrophic emergencies.  If there are no malfunctions, the actor would use the same gun for the entire shoot (why put so much wear and tear on other handguns unless necessary?)  Also most of the time, any custom modifications are REMOVED and either the gun is put back to stock configuration or is customized for yet another movie.  These single guns are the only ones left and have been removed from active inventory primarily due to their historical Hollywood pedigrees. 
 
On another note: I will be the only guy left on the west coast with an HK94 in the original DieHard configuration.  Cinema Weaponry bought the remaining stock of full auto HK94 conversions and refurbished them to complete MP5 specs, so that now they all look indistinguishable from factory MP5s (Plastic lowers, three lug barrels, paddle mag release, etc.)  So now there are only factory stock looking MP5s in the movies, however, ALOT of them in films are still those HK94 conversions, but now we can't tell visually if they are or not.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Response==
Just wanted to make sure you understood that I intend to ask Mike on Monday and I did NOT want you bugging Steve about something that only Mike would know for sure.  Just wanted to make that clear :)  being that I seem to be unclear in the past. :)  Anyway, since I wasn't sure if you understood my request.  Thanks again.
 
'':But I forget...didn't Syd Stembridge basically take all of his remaining assets to Cinema Weaponry? I've been under the impression that Stembridge and CW essentially merged with each other after Stembridge closed down in '99. So aren't the guns that Syd kept now in Mike's hands? ''
 
The company location belongs to both and the building is '''Stembridge Gun Rentals/Cinema Weaponry'''.  Syd still has a sizeable collection that belongs to him and not Mike, and they both share the building.  But a majority of the guns belongs to CW, and 99% of the full auto guns.  So yes and no.  Syd has his own office and section so I tend to recognize him as his own entity.  Since he sold off most of his stuff in 99, a lot of folks have just assumed he is gone for good.  Except for the newer stuff, the majority of the guns in the cases were Stembridge rentals back in the day. 
 
'': And yes, I imagine Mike must have a lot of cool stuff to photograph. One other thing you should ask about...remember the H&K G11 from Demolition Man? If you can at least get the story on where that gun came from, that would be awesome. I've always wondered...did they build it themselves? ''
 
Remember that ''HK thinks we suck and they hate us''..... ;)  I tried to get a photograph of that very gun when Demolition Man was being filmed, and HK had this incredible insane "Lawyers from hell" contract that only in the context of the production could anyone even photograph the gun.  I tried to get a pic (since there are NO good pics of this stupid gun) years ago and the people who had it were contractually bound NOT to let me photograph it.  I will ask around, but there was only ONE real sample floating around that I knew about in the film industry.
 
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Okay, I'm confused but here it is==
After a lengthy conversation with the original Die Hard Armorer (there were several guys on set usually but Mike was the lead who (at the time) rented from Syd)) he said several times the following:  (a) He seems to think that the Beretta Pistol with the tag (on the table) with no ID plate (the one that is EXTRA beat up and has no extended mag button or slide release) IS the one from DH1 and LW1.  (b) all the guns for Bruce in his movies were also used by Mel in his movies, so the same guns jumped back and forth between productions, but if it's a Beretta used by John McClane , then it's the same gun used by Martin Riggs.  (c) Mike recalls that he didn't install the extended mag release button and slide release until the second movie  (d) I was wrong on the DH lineage.  It's meant to be the LW lineage, so the beretta did not appear in Die Hard 2 or 3 or 4, but instead appeared in Lethal Weapon 2 and 3 and 4.  John McClane used the same beretta until 4 and since the original grouping had been retired, the berettas that appeared were generic ones like mine.  So he is pretty sure that the beat up gun IS the original DH1 and LW1 Pistol (as well as LH2-3-4).  The DH2 pistol/Demolition Man pistol is correct, according to the armorer.  So i didn't mix them up, which mystifies me.  I will take some screen caps to the shop some other day and see again .... but I'm not in the habit of challenging the guy who owns the gun , hahahahaha. :) 
 
==Wanna hear something wild?==
I MAY have an opportunity to go overseas (France) and I will try to photograph some of Christophe Maratier's guns (Leon/Ronin/LaFemme Nikita/District B13/Taken/etc)  I would like to also go picture taking in Britain at Bapty's or Sascha Robey's collection,  but who knows? I don't have a connection/introduction yet with those guys.  And with all the retarded gun restrictions going on over there......
 
==Stuff==
''Dan Shea went to Bapty's back in 2003 (I think) and they let him photograph a lot of their guns (which appear on LMO's site)''
Yeah, but WHO is the better photographer? ;) hahahaha. Seriously, I really work hard on the pics even after I take them and right now I'm sure that IMFDB has the best gun pics on the net.  I was thinking of doing an actual table top book with the pics (including a bunch of other angles that I did not upload).  As per the Berettas, I will take your screenshot to the shop the next time I'm there and try to (gently) reverify the history of the pieces.  Either that or I'll say "MT2008 says you're full of SHIT!" heheheh.  Those were done 23 years ago and we're all doing this from recollection.  I think that's WHY I'm so intent on getting the historical images done with the pages complete.  We're all getting older and who knows?  Movie weaponry is a facet of movie history that has been neglected until now.  :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Pages==
Notice how we're still getting new pages with next to no input?  Sure some of these guys put in the OBSCURE foreign film with ONE gun entry.  They don't even bother to  grab the poster and put it in or try to get any screengrabs.  Screengrabs I can forgive, but not even the poster? (which is easy to google).  I'm gonna stop trying to help these pages and just delete them until someone is ready to start actually working on the page.  I haven't seen a lot of these films and have no way (other than ordering them from Amazon in Europe which I don't want to do).  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Movie guns==
As per NYC armorers, Mike bought a bunch of guns at auction from the east coast.  Only armorers buy the heavily blank adapted guns from other armorers.  They're pretty useless except as frames to any other gun person. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Arachnid==
::Sorry for blowing iup at you.  It was just the initial shock of NOT saving my work for an hour (stupid me) and then having the system deny my edits because of an 'edit conflict'.  I'm all better now :)  You were right.  I checked back in the browser logs and found a version that was pretty close to the one I was trying to save, so I mass uploaded it.  I was only freaked out because it was literally a few seconds between the "preview" and the "save" that the conflict in edits occurred.  Talk about bad timing :)  Anyway, I knew if I walked away from the computer for a little bit I could think more clearly and figure out a way to restore the work (or at least most of it).  Sorry again.  It was an innocent action, not your fault at all.  It was just me panickingi because I had done an hour of work and didn't SAVE it, and was thwarted at the last second when I tried...  But all is good in the universe .  Please accept my apologies.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Chris Potter's mutant hands ;)==
I took another look at him holding the MAC-10 (or MAC-11), but look at the shots of his hands holding the Full sized UZI.  That dude has monster hands! What do you think? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==SIG or Sig?==
I made this change a long while ago and never got any comments on it. Do you think it is written "SIG-Sauer" or "Sig-Sauer"? Based on the fact people usually write SIG in capital letters because it is a company and Sauer is a maker's name, plus the fact they write it SIG-SAUER on the logo, I made the assumption it was "SIG-Sauer". Was I wrong? I see MPM doesn't always write it this way but I always assumed it was correct. What do you think? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==Re: Shit!==
It's okay, you weren't editing the same section as I was. It only creates edit conflict when you edit the same section, so since you didn't edit the Webley, I was able to upload fine. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
== Re: Tomorrow Never Dies ==
 
Thanks! I wasn't sure about the LAW but Charon68 says he's pretty sure it's a LAW-80 so I used that label. Also, I wasn't sure how to label the fake MP5K-PDWs, so I left the title with the description you gave (an interesting bit of information too). Feel free to make any other corrections, I appreciate the help!! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Oh I don't know how I missed that haha. I changed the title of it to say "Heckler & Koch MP5K (with PDW folding stock)" as well. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
 
==Street Kings==
Absolutely, when I screencapped that movie, I had rented it so I was on a very strict deadline and probably missed some stuff. But do me some favors:
*Replace the R9, I'm ashamed to admit the shots are from Legions of Fate's website, I had totally forgot I did this too but I had originally missed this when I screencapped.
*I forgot to upload the screencaps I had of M16s in the police armory and deleted the screencaps before I realized this.
 
I guess memory failed me with the muzzle flash but please by all means add some shots. Are you using Itunes or a DVD? Because if you use Itunes the pictures will look brighter so if you could somehow darken them with an editor (or I could if you wouldn't mind) so they don't stand out to the other shots, I'd appreciate it. If you do use Itunes, try to see if you can confirm the Korean slaver's shotgun, because I look at it and it kind of looks like an Ithaca, not a Remington. And see if Coates' shotgun is a Mossberg 500 or 590 (it is a dark shot). Thanks. Look for [[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]], I'll have it on soon. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks, the shots look great, I'm still going to test and see if I can darken the shots without ruining the quality but I doubt I'll be able to do anything. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==Saturday Shoot --- more pics coming --- just a heads up==
cc:d' to MT2008, GM45, Alienqueen1
I'm heading to another armory to photograph some more long guns this Saturday if all goes as planned.  (I'll get a new StG-44 amongst other cool stuff (like a SR-25, all tricked out, etc.)    I've been photographing a lot of pistols recently.  Since the last group of famous gun pics took an entire day to photograph and multiple days to 'clean up and format' (and put electronic Copyright tagging) on the images.  I am also returning to Stembridge/CW to photograph a bunch of their more famous subguns/shortshotguns.  I already have permission to photograph the actual McMillan TAC-50 used in S.W.A.T.  As far as my own inventory, I still have to rebuild and fix some of MY guns still.  I still have an M249 full stock gun that I need to photograph and a Walther MPL that needs fixing.  And a bunch of Benelli M3 Super 90s in different configurations :)  I want to work some more on the M16 page.  If I can't get a real 733 (for example) I will try to build up an exact duplicate of one in the right configuration and then take a pic of it.  Some of my older photos of M16 guns (like the 733) were build ups (i.e. just a standard gun with the barrel cut down, and not the exact configuration of the original gun type).  I want exact examples of each one so that our M16 page is '''the''' definitive page of M16 types on the net.  BTW: I have to go down to CW again and I will try to grab more "the Quick and the Dead" guns ... :)    More handguns, especially Sharon Stone's SAA and Russell Crowe's gun (and original holster) and all the original screen used guns from 'Iron Man'. ;)  I am also trying to get a ton of more famous screen used western guns for GM45's pages.  (I let HIM do the honors on the Western movie pages ;)  )  Just a heads up guys! :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==The Boondock Saints==
My screencapping of the film is taking considerabley longer than anticipated, mainly do to the scene in the dealer's armory. I have documented EVERY gun seen in that room, with a red circle over each. It was a great film, but I'm getting a serious head ache from all this. I'm trying to get it all prepared for tommorow, but I don't know if I can. One picture was particularly difficult, I had forgotten to document an M79 launcher, but deleted the image that had it on! Since I don't currently have the DVD to re-screencap, I took another shot (same image, but circling a different gun), and removed the circle with painstaking edits and got the shot. Sometimes this work is tough. You got any movies you plan to do in the future? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I'm so OCD on IDing all the guns I practically scan each scene with my super mind powers. I love TBS, it has some great quotes (littered with cusses, but still worthy of adding in the captions IMO), and so far the hardest armory scene I've done was on [[Commando]], and I didn't circle all of those, I just said what I saw. I'm kinda nerdy, I'm trying to memorize the prayer the brothers say before they kill people. I used to take Latin so I know basic words and could likely translate some of these quotes. Prayers are usually very simple Latin. Same thing with their tatoos. Of all the scenes in that movie, my favorite was probably the scene when Rocco kills the guys in the diner because the way it was shot and the music used just made it perfect. Either that or the shootout in the game room, because intercutting with Decker re-enacting the scene was cool. Seeing Willem Dafoe kiss a guy (passionately) and wearing drag was rather disturbing though. After I finish this movie, I'm going to do the first Matrix movie. Then the mini-series [[Lonesome Dove]]. Then I'll do the other Matrix movies. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
== What's up with the screenshot? ==
 
I just saw the screencap you uploaded of the [[Carl Gustaf M/45]] page and was wondering what's up with it, since I made that page. I'm not mad or anything, just curious as to what's up. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== Glock Classification ==
 
I went ahead and added the [[Glock]] page to the Submachine Gun category since the [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] does technically classify in that category, also we have the [[M16 rifle series]] classified in the SMG and sniper rifle categories for the [[M16 rifle series#Colt 9mm Submachine Gun|Colt 9mm SMG]] and [[M16 rifle series#Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle|Mk. 12 SPR]], respectively. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Titles starting with 'The' ....==
I am willing to start mass changing titles that start with "The" to the standard nomenclature (used by IMDB)  (i.e. instead of '''"The Shining"''' (yeah I know we don't have that movie ...)  it would be '''"Shining, The"'''.  I can't count how many people have complained to me (in person, not on the net) about that. 
 
I have some famous armorers complaining about that ;) SO I am willing to start changing them myself.  Any complaints?  Seriously, if any of you are seriously offended by that, I will change them back.... no charge ;)  But the last straw was some blog making fun of us because of that. :(  So I am going to start changing the titles.  Just wanted to give a heads up....
 
''('''edit:''' I've done nine titles as a test.  So far, I like them, but I think you had a cool technique regarding re-directs which would allow the main page to have the fixed titles, but when you click on it, it goes to the original named page.  Please let me know if you think that is possible.  Other than that, let me know what you think regarding the asthetics of the naming changes.  I like it for the listings, better than the previous style.)  :)''
 
Update on the new gun pics....
I started the new photo shoot on Say, but had to cut it short.  Will reschedule and complete my massive new gun shoot either tomorrow or the next day.  When I have a bunch, I start uploading them. :)  But you guys are already bored with  guns pics by now.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Title change==
Well we all can disagree on somethings, I've always hated how our listing alphabetized on "the" as a "T".  I think that's just stupid, since nearly everyone ignores "The" when looking for a title.  Libraries do it, Video stores do it and I get pissed when I look for "The Dark Knight" but instinctively look in the 'D' section and see nothing.  I've hated it since I joined the site, but also recently I've shown this site to famous armorers, and when their first comment is "great site, but sorting by "the", that's stupid" was the motivation I had to get off my ass and fix it.  Heck, Mike Papac hated it.  So I will still change the titles.  I think  you will find it easier to find movie pages as well.  Thanks for your understanding.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 
== ''In the Army Now'' M16's ==
 
It's been a while since I've seen this movie and I was recalling what I could from memory, but I could have sworn they used M16A2's in at least some scenes. Hopefully someone will be able to screencap this movie and put the matter to rest. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 
=AK issues==
Okay, You're gonna hate me even more, but I was wondering how we can fix the AK issue.  We have too many AK variants that are starting to appear and to add them all to the AK page may be confusing since so many are made by different countries (including the US as of recent  years).  I '''was''' thinking of an original page for only RUSSIAN AK-47 rifles and then all other Russian designs (AK104, etc.)  And then a second page for AK-47 - variants (Chinese) and then AK-47 - variants (European).  Or something like that.  I would like to have a page where we can put the European AK variants (Bulgarian, Hungarian, Romanian, Yugoslavian, etc.) 
 
Anyway here is just me thinking out loud.
1) AK-47 (Russian designs only) 7.62 or 5.56mm only (Recently Russia  has been making 5.56 versions of all their guns)
2) AK-47 Variants (Chinese) 7.62 or 5.56mm (All variants including commercial monstrosities like the MAK-90 thumbhole guns)
3) AK-47 Variants (European) 7.62 or 5.56mm (This is where we can start listing the Hungarian, Polish, East German, Bulgarian, Romanian, Yugoslavian variations)
4) AK-74 (Russian Designs only) '''5.45mm''' guns only and all derivations
But it's the preponderance of the Chinese AK clones that are used to impersonate Russian guns in movies, that screws up my 'evil plan'.    I know you want all ak variations on one page (like our M16 Page) but the M16 page has all variations made in the U.S. We don't have a dozen other countries making their own custom variations of the M16, like the AK does. 
 
Anyway, I'm not chomping at the bit to do this, but I was wondering where I could start putting entries for the Hungarian, Romanian, or Yugo guns....  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==RPG in movies==
While I obviously don't have the experiance of MPM, I think the RPGs have special warheads that POP when fired (watch them fire RPGs in [[Black Hawk Down]], the warheads seem to explode instead of launch), or in [[The Dark Knight]], they might fire foam warheads similair to the warhead but it just hits stuff instead of blowing up. And of course the cheapest alternative is to use all CGI.
 
Check out ''[[The Boondock Saints]]'', I finished it finally and it has 52 guns! No wonder I put it off, I knew that armory was going to kill me. Anyway, I have to go to school tommorow so I'm going to sleep. Ugh, I hate school. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==You might get a kick out of this==
Would YOU want a handgun collection like this?  The pistols on the right side belong to Syd Stembridge (he still has some stuff), and the back wall and left wall belong to Mike Papac.  (And  yes, the boxes on the ground are full, there is no room on the walls left.  All the empty slots are for handguns that are either out for repair or out on rental.  My own handgun inventory is less than half of theirs, so I'm a small fry compared to these guys.  But I thought you'd get a kick out of this pic.  A similar pic has been seen in articles in the past about Stembridge Gun Rentals, so it's nice to see that this room still exists, though I need a bigger wide angle lens, I can't get back far enough to even get a fraction of the room.  It is massive. 
[[Image:HandgunRoom.jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|the handgun room]]
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 
==Imagine if you will.......==
Walking down a hallway in a warehouse, from floor to ceiling are wooden cubbyholes, in these cubby holes are jammed multiple items which comprise three specific things (either submachine gun, select fire pistol, or short barreled shotgun).  I am not sure how these items are sorted but I don't care, I like it!  I LOVE poking around places like this.  It make me happy :)  I also see some items which I will try to photograph for IMFDB in the future (recognizing some of the stuff that I have on my list to take pics of for some of the specific movie pages).  I just needed to cheer myself up after hearing daily news from the new administration!  Just thought I'd share it! :)
[[Image:ArmoryWall02.jpg‎|thumb|none|700px|Which cubbyhole do you want to stick your hand in first!? ;)  ]]
MPM2008
 
== Hey, thanks for the information. ==
 
I'm still rather new to the whole wiki thing. This is the first wiki site I've ever contributed too, and I'm still getting used to the way you guys do things. I've built up a few pages now, but I rely on you guys for most of the identification of firearms, I'm not too good at that. If you can, look over the pages I've made and see if you can identify anything. I've built up [[The Deer Hunter]], [[He Was A Quiet Man]], [[American Beauty]], and [[Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels]] since I've come here. - [[User:Diego Wolfwood|Diego Wolfwood]]
 
== Formatting Errors ==
 
Thanks. I'm still learning. Appreciate the advice. [[User: Jcordell|Jcordell]]
 
== What? ==
 
Someone could've been looking for the nail gun for whatever reason. Why'd you delete it? Afterall, it is a used wepond in the movie, and should be regarded as one. There's a few other weponds used in this site that aren't actually weponds, but THEY are allowed? What's up with that?
 
==HK94s==
then we should separate the HK94 conversions from the real MP5s.  I am against ''"just calling them MP5s and be done with it"''.  I've seen those guns and the receivers are '''marked''' HK94 and their paperwork calls them converted HK94.  Everyone just called them MP5 because they were lazy.  Also it is a part of movie weaponry history that these converted HK94s were used.  99% of them are gone now, Mike Papac bought all the remaining ones (except mine) and did the full conversion so that we can't tell.  But it's wrong to deny the HK94's place in cinema  history when they were used so much (and we can also tell the difference).  Also there are more Post 86 samples of real MP5s NOW than HK94s in movie inventory.  The transferable HK94s are mostly in the hands of private Class III people.  So we need to list what films they appeared in, since  after the cut off date (when Mike converted the remaining few completely), they for all practical purposes ... disappeared from movies.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Aw crap.  Never mind then.  The thumbs on that page are so small that I got confused.  I blew them up and you're right.  They ARE full MP5s.  My bad.  I guess we're on the same page.  :) 
 
==New pics==
I know that they're not as sexy as the hero guns, But I have been slowly and steadilyi replacing stock gun pics (like the AKMS, the Glock 27, (and I replaced the shot of that SL8 new model that the other uploaded ;)  ).  But MAN! the new users are kicking my ass.  Creating new page after new page.  My list of gun photos to get has tripled! :(    MPM2008
 
== Maxim MG08 Photo ==
 
Thanks. Thats a much better photo of a Maxim on ''[[Wind and the Lion, The]]''
[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]
 
==you tired yet?==
I've noticed you've been re-directing all the bullshit new pages created by new anonymous users to the correct pages.  I've been deleting some BS pages too but you've been very good at cleaning up IMFDB.  MPM
 
==edits==
Ah yes, silly me :)  I forgot about your directive to do re-directs. :)  Good idea.
 
== Goodbye ==
 
Just wanted to see if you learned your lesson (which you did). Ciao.
 
==We Were Soldiers==
Hey Matt, On the AKs had the receivers made and then I assembled them while the unit was at Ft.Bragg filming. They are then nicest and smoothest AK's I have ever worked on or used. Steve


==M16K==
Thanks for your input.  I'm not sure how the title change helps, but I cringe at seeing THOUSANDS of titles sorted in the "T" section purely because they had the letter "T" in the title.  If anything, the people that I know tend to eliminate the word "The" when they search.  So things like The Bourne Identity don't end up in the letter "T" section because of the "the" section. Everyone I know looks at "B".  Too many movies don't have the "the" and most folks don't remember if it does or not.  I certainly do not support putting title starting with "the" in the "T" section of the table of contents, but that's just my opinion.  Ultimately those decisions are up to the mods who do day to day maintenance.  I'll just add small stuff, if motivated to do so, in the future and not worry about the organization of the site. :)  Thanks for your reply.  The Alex Baldwin debacle has pretty much destroyed the industry. Too many films are so afraid of guns that they either write them out of the scripts or demand only Airsoft weapons.  Also the new 'armorer' certification laws will drive many out of the field anyways.  Good to know you're still alive and kicking.  Within a decade, I'll be out of CA.  A lot of the other guys are looking at exiting the industry.  In 10 years the entire movie industry will be completely different, or ALL action, weapons related films will be shot outside of the USA.  best [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 03:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Glade you liked the photo of the M16K, LaFrance also built it in .45 caliber but I don't think any ever made it into the film industry. Steve

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User 67.183.66.44

It is better to block this idiot for an infinite period of time, since just as his blocking period expired he has started making his usual changes, Take for example, he added the pistol and machine pistol category to full-sized SMGs like Spectre M4 and Jatimatic.--SB2296 08:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

S&W 4500

I recently combined the smith & wesson 4505, 4506, 4516, and 4566 articles into one. I was told to contact an administrator to see about removing the old individual pages if the change is considered acceptable. -Anonymous

(What I wrote to ANONYMOUS) I just banned an IP address (person did not log in as user Anonymous) for wholesale removal of data from three S&W pages. That is NOT the way to do it. If this is YOU (i.e. Anonymous User), I will lift the ban, but you CREATE the new page first and then cut & paste the old data AND then put a note at the TOP of the old page explaining what you did. Suddenly BLANK Pages by unknown IP addresses usually AUTOMATICALLY put up a big red flag. If that is you, ALWAYS log in before you do stuff like that. Unknown IP address get automatically banned for that. MoviePropMaster2008 18:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The Stand

Why so snarky? The last photo does appear to be some type of folding stock attached to the weapon. And why did you not either send me a message on my page or add to the discussion page for the movie? I don't mind a debate but I'm puzzled by your tone. Have I done something to you lately? I was under the impression that we strove for some type of polite excahnges here. --Jcordell 02:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure I understand how that goes.We all get tired and sometimes come across in wasy that we didn't intend. Not a problem. I thought I saw a folded stock in the last screecap, but I'll change it to the 89 model.I'm not a big MP5 guy. More into S&W revolvers. Thanks. --Jcordell 16:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I am back again

Hey Matt, Things have been slow so I have to work twice as hard to make ends meet. The Industry has been off as of late but did work on some TV shows. Shop work is slowly coming on line so that will be nice. I like the new things going on with the website looks good. ritwikbmca new templates look great don't know if the rest of the admins had agreed on them as standard. I have been hearing from others in the Industry about the site most good some feel that there are some errors that need to be corrected. I did find out that some film archivist are looking at the site to very weapons and props used in the films which is very cool. A couple have stated we should think about adding studios to the show info so it can be used as a cross reference. I believe that no matter what people believe that IMFDB will be similar to IMDB on the information it has. I have other show that I have screen-capped and hope to post some more this week and go back through others to check them of errors. -Phoenixent

Buying a SIG

I may be looking into getting a SIG P220 (45acp). At the gun shop where I bought a S&W 4505 (same as your 4506 but blued, carbon steel). After the 3 day waiting period is up on the 4505, I'm going to take my Desert Eagle up there and see what they'll give me for it. The SIG in question is a two tone model, nickel side, black frame. It had a better grip than the 4505 but it was $50 more (listed at $600) and wasn't as clean as the 4505. Are the pre '96 stamped slide models the best to get and is there anything else I should look for? Is there anything else negative about the post '96 models other than the slide weight? --Predator20 19:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, very informative. No problem with it being long either. Cleared up a lot of questions. I'm pretty sure it had the older style plastic grips. I don't think it had nickel controls either just the slide. I'll bring the date list with me and check. I didn't really give it a good look over. I just saw that was as clean as the 4505. I went into the gun shop just to see what they had, didn't plan on buying anything. I saw that 4505, you don't ever see them just the 4506 models. That had some P226's too, didn't really look at them. I already have a few nines and was wanting to get some .45's. If the Desert Eagle was a .44 I would keep it, my S&W 586 takes care of my .357 needs. If the SIG isn't up to par I get something else and look into getting one later. Thanks for the help. Also I considered trying to buy your 4506, but since it's a pain for you to ship out of state, I went local. --Predator20 20:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
No SIG for me. Gun shop wanted to give me $500 for the Desert Eagle. I didn't handle the SIG again. But I was wrong about the grips. Had the newer style. I'll get a SIG later. I'm very pleased with the 4505. I just wish the grip had a little swell on the sides to keep it from being so flat. I'll post some pics on the forum later. --Predator20 23:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

User 67.183.66.44

He's back. I've had to fix almost a dozen pages on which he did edits. For one thing, he adds custom gun pics to the main gun pages, and then he doesn't even format it correctly. WTF? MoviePropMaster2008 18:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Seecamp LWS-32

I replaced the image of the Seecamp from Weapon Specialists LTD with one from my own inventory. At least it's one of our own copyrighted images. Hope you like it. :) MoviePropMaster2008 07:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Seecamp LWS-32 pocket pistol - 32 acp

User 67.183.66.44

I just had to to block him AGAIN for one month. I'm tempted to permanently ban him. Literally the MOMENT that his ban expired, he started making TONS of changes, most of which were stupid and required fixing. Thoughts? Should this guy get a longer ban? MoviePropMaster2008 19:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

RE: Afghan Breakdown

In regards to your question I'm afraid there hasn't been a version of Afghan Breakdown released with English subtitles, officially or otherwise. I tried looking for them when I originally watched the movie and found that the torrented version was Italian-dubbed while the only available subtitles were Polish. --Markit 02:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

So are you happy now?

I'll get one of the Canuck Flat top soon.... ;)

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Colt 715 aka Canadian C7 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Unlike the real C7, this has an A1 flash hider for the sake of a full 'flower' flash pattern

MoviePropMaster2008 06:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW: More pics ;)

I've been replacing a bunch of the lame pics.  :) MoviePropMaster2008 06:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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East German AKM - MPi-KM-72 Transitional Rifle - 7.62x39mm
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Savage Stevens 311A Shotgun - 12 gauge
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M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine - .30 Carbine
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Ruger 10/22 (Pre-2005 Model) - .22 LR
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Colt Single Action Army Fast Draw Model "Hand of God" - .45 LC
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Smith & Wesson Model 19
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Rossi Model 851 Revolver - .38 Special
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1970s era Charter Arms Undercover with 3" barrel - .38 Special

There's no pleasing you ;)

So are all the Canadian shows have the Oly grip on them? Are you sure? If they have the A2 style pistol grip, then it's essentially the same rifle. Also the 715 is not mine so I won't be getting that back to photograph any time soon. MoviePropMaster2008 19:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

What about Stargate and other shows?

There are TONS of TV shows filmed in Canada and I'm not sure that they use the Oly grip. I 'think' Seven days had the A2 grip and SG1 had the A2 grip sometimes. Let me know if ALL of the Canadian shows have the Oly grip, but I am sure I've seen other lowers on the guns in the past. I will try to get the rifle upper back and film it on an Oly lower. YOU KNOW I'm the ONLY IMFDB member who bothers to do that! ;) MoviePropMaster2008 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Frankengun pics

I just deleted another one of my pics 'modified' by a member. I don't mind placeholders but the noobs don't give accreditation so I delete them as soon as I see them. People doing 'frankengun' chop jobs DE-motivates me to go out and photograph the real guns, and we don't want THAT to happen. :) I mean why bother trying to track down the real guns from HEAT if some guy is going to PS Franken gun another gun? If it looks decent enough the reason and motivation for me to take the time (and irritate my fellow armorers) becomes less and less compelling. Thoughts? MoviePropMaster2008 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

C7 stuff

I was going to overwrite your old C7 shot with this new image, but then I realized that the naming nomenclature would be wrong and give the wrong impression (i.e. naming the file c7 when the rifle is a 715). I am looking forward to fixing the UGLY pics of the Diemaco section of the M16 page soon. Just a thought regarding a movie page, I don't think the rifles in Operation Dumbo Drop are 715s. Those 715 uppers were really prevalent in the 1990s when the supply of original M16A1 uppers dried up and everyone stopped making them and went to the A2 uppers. A lot of guys who wanted the M16A1 look but didn't have an A1 gun were buying what we all called 'The Canadian A1 upper' to build up their guns. So it's a regular franken gun with a straight ring and light barrel that happens to have a 715 upper receiver. It's the real life franken guns that trips us up. AR parts from so many manufacturers are so prevalent that we can be seeing Bushmaster or DPMS or Eagle Arms (now defunct) or Pac West guns all over the place. I remember that Colt was NOT selling their lower receivers (assholes) before the first Clinton ban, but everyone else was. I bought over 30 Pac West receivers and built them up into AR15 variants before the first AW ban. They were about $55.00 (and then jumped up to $400 just before the ban.). Just a note. MoviePropMaster2008 20:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Colt cowards

They were one of the first ones to CAVE when the gun control fanatics started their jihad against gun owners, starting with the Stockton shooting in Feb 1989 all the way to the passage of the Clinton AW ban in 1994. Colt SOLD complete emasculated rifles with no bayonet lug and renamed receivers. Colt refused to sell lower receivers upon which to build custom guns. But that's what armorers wanted. We swap out uppers all the time. So unless the armory (like Stembridge, and later CW who picked up a lot of their stuff) bought all their guns in the 1970s and 1980s, from Colt, the most prevalent build up guns would be by other manufacturers. IN the early 1990s Colt rifles were more expensive than many competitors and also harder to find. Colt, IMHO, is the American H&K ;) MoviePropMaster2008 21:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

715 photo

Just talked to the owner about getting the barreled upper for a shoot. He will be available in about 2 weeks. Also I discovered during our conversation. ((I didn't look that closely at the gun because it was a really quick shoot that I had to do in about 3 minutes! Someone put the gun against the white background and I lit it and click off about a dozen shots from that angle only and off it went))... that it was a full Colt 715 kit but mounted on a pre-1989 Bushmaster XM15-A2 lower that was legally converted to full auto fire from a civilian receiver (i.e. a post 86 sample). There are small 'marking' differences, i.e. the full auto setting word was stamped on LATER. Does that make a difference? Or should I reshoot the entire gun with a Colt lower receiver? MoviePropMaster2008 22:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Got an easy fix for the 715

The Factory Colt 715 has no select fire markings on the right side of the gun. I can just 'clone' out the markings, though I don't like to do that, (I use Photoshop just to remove SNs if needed, scratches, cracks, oil stains, weird reflections, etc. I try not to fundamentally change the look of the gun, just to 'clean it up'). But I can clone out the Bushmaster Selector markings and keep it blank. Thus for all intents and purposes, it looks like a Colt 715 lower from that side. MoviePropMaster2008 22:05, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

(EDIT) Done. I also cloned out a big fat THUMBPRINT that I left on the upper (oops!) hahahahaha. Don't want to pollute IMFDB's pics with that kinda stuff! :) MoviePropMaster2008 23:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

SIG P228

You know, I've been itching to replace that 228 with a better pic. That gun was dropped and in the middle of repair when I snapped a pic of it. The frame was scratched really bad (from a car stunt) and was repainted with black spray paint. It was NOT the best example to use. Should we let Joker keep his P228 pic until I can get a better screen used P228 sample? At the least, it will be a reminder for me to get a new P228 pic. Thoughts? MoviePropMaster2008 21:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I opt to keep the beater P228 pic for now. It IS a screen used gun, but nothing big or eventful, mostly B-movies and I can't figure out where it was rented to. I will try to get a screen used P228 from a BIG MOVIE from CW hopefully soon. I will be out of town for a WW2 documentary shoot for NATGEO in the South Pacific again (I leave on wed), so I will not be able to screencap or take pics (only some blank firing Pistols of which IMFDB already has the pics for and a BUNCH of rubber Arisakas and garands for some reenactments for the documentary film crew). I will be back 1st week of April. I will be on here on IMFDB, though via wi fi from the lap top from the hotel. If we get rained out, you'll be seeing me here on IMFDB! hahahaha. best regards MoviePropMaster2008 22:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Desert Eagle

Great work on the page. :) Let me know what you need help on. I think my brother has Lucky Number Slevin. So I'll check and see if the model can be determined. --Predator20 20:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I could give two shits about the video game junk too. Most of them will probably Mark XIX. The grid pattern isn't necessary unless it's a long list. But anyway I'll help what I can. Also that custom Eagle you just uploaded is a USA built one. --Predator20 21:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I would do, let the hardcore gamers sort that crap out if they care so much.(Very few would be Mark VII) Also even though there wouldn't be any blank converted Eagles in the .440 Cor-Bon caliber I added it to the specifications to be more accurate.--Predator20 21:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the .440 version didn't have the flutes. Also I'm throwing a wrench here. But I think the early Mark XIX models at least in the .44 Magnum may not have had fluted barrels. --Predator20 21:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

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Here we can see the .44 stamp on the other Russian's Desert Eagle Mark XIX. His has a chrome barrel and frame with a black slide.
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Why do they prefer the .50 AE? Does it cycle better than the .357 and .44 because you can get a heavier powder charge? Or I'm wondering if the .50 isn't rimmed like the .357 and .44 makes it easier. All this talk about Eagles makes me what to go shoot mine.--Predator20 22:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I helped identify Desert Eagles appearing in animes and a few video games. Even after this a lot of video games are left, some of which cannot be identified since either those pages have no screencaps to identify the model or the Desert Eagles appearing in them have components of Mark I,VII,XIX mixed together!. I also deleted some video games, films, anime and television series appearing in the page which appeared in red.--SB2296 06:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Blanks

It took them a while to get .45 1911's to cycle blanks also. It seems like it would be tough to get a DE to cycle reliable with blanks. Don't know if you handled one and racked the slide. (Fucking heavy). I almost smacked myself in the face after shooting mine and then switching to a Hi-power. --Predator20 23:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to search the forum and read your Desert Eagle story. The .357 is the biggest handgun caliber I have shot. I don't go shooting with anyone else besides my dad, so I don't get to shoot anyone else guns. I'd like to shoot a .50 just for the experience. You can't trust internet gun users about gun recoil.--Predator20 23:39, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

No it's fine like it is, thanks though. They can click on the image and see who it belongs to. --Predator20 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Also I think I'm going to have a problem with a user on the Death Sentence page. He made some okay edits. But he took one of my images off the page and wrote he used different gun and renamed some of the image files so they ended not showing up. (I hope I didn't confuse you) --Predator20 02:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Desert Eagle

I'll be adding the template to the page. Can you help me with it?--SB2296 07:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


Boondocks Saints 2

Oh alright, I'll leave it to you. One less thing on my to do list. I'll go work on Ninja Assassin. Excalibur01


screencapping

Well I need some help cause I have no idea how to work the screen capture feature on VLC Excalibur01

delete

Need this file deleted, uploaded it by accident, when I should have been uploading over an existing file. Thanks --Predator20 23:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC) http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:FDTD-00115.jpg

From Dusk Till Dawn

Thanks. The page wasn't really missing any screencaps, but was lacking in good ones. Also I borrowed Lucky # Slevin, so I'll check out the DE used. I think the page is incomplete so I may end up capping it. Plan on adding some caps of the missing revolvers in The Killer too.--Predator20 00:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Mods & Stuff

yeah, he was writing snarky sarcastic stuff. Sounds just like a kid. Personally I think some of our newer (foreign) members are 'young' based on their actions (and preferences). For one, I don't like spending time arguing why we should NOT have a section on suction cup arrows LOL! We always get some noob waltz in and start challenging the rules of IMFDB (Gee, why don't you guys start doing THIS instead?) Thankfully I've seen some of our experienced (and even some newer members who 'get it') step in and intervene. It's gratifying to see that we have members who follow the rules and enforce that amongst other members.  :) the shoot was a mixed bag. It was really windy and stormy in the South pacific. Even though there was no rain, the wind gusts knocked me down several times. I'm only here for a few days. I leave for Rome for a shoot and then for a gig in Hong Kong. No I don't take any weapons with me ;) I only act in a paid advisory capacity. But depending on whether I can get internet access from wherever I'm at in the world, I may not be around for April-early May. We'll see. Sometimes the shoot days are so long, that I just crash at the end of the day. Anyway, I felt like I was the lone mod sometimes (but again, we have quite a few experienced standard members who are doing a good job of reigning in some of the wacky changes made by 'drive by members'.  :) MoviePropMaster2008 03:39, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Model 733

Thank you for clarifying this for me. While we're on the subject of the M16 series, would you mind if I went ahead and phased out the older Model 715 picture and deleted it in favor of MPM's pic? It's rather redundant to have two pictures of the same weapon, especially when one is significantly higher-quality than the other. Orca1 9904 19:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The Killer

The replica HPs must have been used by the triads. There is one good view of a HP. It appears to be a Inglis, judging from the front sight and finger notch on slide. They were imported into China during WWII. Interestingly they put an A1 style birdcage flash hider on the Norinco 56. Any of the trivia stuff you learned please add to the page.--Predator20 02:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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This is during the gun buy.

Yeah I think that modified revolver may be a Taurus also. Since most of the fired revolvers are Taurus. There are some really good close ups of some of the guns. Makes iding them easy.Other than some text and one or two images that need to be uploaded over. I'm through with it.--Predator20 02:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

I have created some disambiguation pages,eg, M3 and Delta Force to improve page navigation in IMFDB. Considering the latter I used to hate when I typed to search the video game Delta Force when the site redirected me to the movie page Delta Force with the same name. So I am currently in the process of making disambiguation pages for pages with similar titles to make navigating pages easy. Ben41 asked me recieve the sysop's consent before undertaking this project.--SB2296 14:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep the pictures in the disambiguation page atleast for the guns.--SB2296 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Lois & Clark: Tempus, Anyone?

Where did you find the Gali AR? I couldn't find it, but is this the Gali AR (the one being waved by the man in the middle) in this screeencap? - Kenny99 13:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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RE:RE

Thanks for the info. I was able to find more guns and a poster of guns in that episode. - Kenny99 14:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

General Information

Shouldn't IMFDB Info - The History of M16s in Film and Television be added to GE? It's locked so reg users can't edit it.--Predator20 04:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, the purpose of the General Information category was so a glossary of firearm terms could be made up. Nobody has created one. Should it just be called Glossary or Glossary - Firearm Terms? I figure a section for gun types, action, malfunction. I'm not sure what else. --Predator20 22:17, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I added it to general information category. MPM didn't want anyone else messing with that page is the reason why it was protected. Probably best to change it back to that.--Predator20 00:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

What about a page for all gun related abbreviations.--SB2296 06:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Beretta

Sure. I can do that. By the way I have no idea what type of M16/AR15 they are using in Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise. Whne I was in the Army we had the M16A1, M16A2 and the M4 carbine. Truth be told I've stopped trying to follow all the different variations. So I will leave it to you or somebody else to figure out. Thanks. --Jcordell 02:20, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks on the M4 info. I'll get that added. As you've probably gathered over the past few months my strength is in revolvers and the older firearms. The new stuff I can identify, but all the variants leave me cold. I think I stopped paying attention around 1995. --Jcordell 02:29, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

User talk:99.12.124.133

I hate to report this, but this user keeps creating pages with only a minimal amount of information and I'm not sure what to do. I hate to have to go and fix every page this user makes. --Ben41 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Andromeda Strain

Thank you for your additions to The Andromeda Strain. I plan to rent & cap this sometime in the near future, but the extra work on the page is appreciated. Orca1 9904 19:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for capping this as well. I was planning to cap it myself, but the help is again appreciated. One minor note though; the name of the M1126 APC is spelled 'Stryker', like the name, not with an I. Orca1 9904 00:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Are you psychic? Part deax

Again within SECONDS of me uploading a hero gun pic, you comment. Your Jedi Mind powers are starting to freak me out. I just flew back into the US this morning and I'm trying to adjust to the time zone change again. I'm also trying to fix the WWS page since I never liked the overdoing of the screencaps on that page. It held the record at one time, 36 shots of the same gun in one section. Ben41 and I am working on it since it is one of the most viewed pages on IMFDB. MoviePropMaster2008 02:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

AKs and Canucks

Those AKs built for We Were Soldiers were built in 2002, so they could not have been in anything prior to that. They were built because the filmmakers, upon learning what we all know about Type 56s, etc. opted to have tons of real milled receiver guns built for the film's authenticity. The last time I saw them, they were the same color (i.e. wood furniture) so they're pretty easy to spot. As for replacing the real AK-47 pic, I'm trying to get a pic of a real example from an Army Museum, so that we have a real Soviet one for all those film entries that were done overseas over the years. I hate those jacked Type 1-3 examples, for one they don't represent what was actually a production model and they're also readily recognizable jacked images. But since the WWS AKs had that weird wood, I wouldn't replace the other pics just yet.

BTW, I finally learned why Canadian movies and TV shows have so many Olympic Arms AR rifles ....AND?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! mpm

Heat

Thanks for the correction. I didn't realize I had put the Colt under the subgun category. I'm just going in and organizing some of the pages. I want to point out that I'm not changing any of the text or screencaps. But Heat and Ronin are some of our most viewed pages and they had different types of firearms scattered all over the page, Guess I'm just anal. --Jcordell 21:38, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Virtuosity

I will take a look again at my screenshots to see if I have them. --Ben41 16:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

nice to see you back

I'm going a little stir crazy here. A lot of the veteran mods are MIA. Good thing we have some really great vet users who are trying their best to improve the site. Hahaha. I just got the Farcry DVD but I see you already did it.  :) Does that mean you're back? :)MoviePropMaster2008 21:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


Armyguy277 user page

ok first of all the k4s were on the page becuse it was the clossest i could get to a C7/C8 and second WTF do you care it is my userpage --Armyguy277 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC) PS how do you tumb nail --Armyguy277 20:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

you da man!

Now that I have some good pics of the gun, I have some chopped Type 56 barrels lying around here. I can put a post ban Type 56 front sight and an American Krinkov Muzzle brake on it. I have a messed up AK receiver that I do parts work on. Think I should build it? Don't know what to call it since it IS a 100% gunshop custom frankengun. Do you think calling it a Fake East German MPi-AKS-74NK is appropriate? I just thought it was the closest production AK variant to that monstrosity :) MoviePropMaster2008 01:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

delete

Need to delete this image, we already have an Inglis Hi-Power pic.--Predator20 14:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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Browning Hi-Power - 9mm

File:Armyguy277 ok thanks

HK21

I think HK21 needs its own page since it has three-four variants of its own (HK11,HK23,HK13,GR9). What do you think?--SB2296 07:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW we should create a set of rules stating whether a gun should demand its own page or be redirected to another page for a gun from which the former gun was derived. Earlier there were many controversies regarding these redirects (though the FPK/PSL thing was my fault, it was actually a AK style receiver on close inspection) and these set of rules will define the place where a gun actually belongs to. For example, like the HK21 the PSG-1 is a modified G3 and happens to be in the G3 page, but it has a sub variant of its own (the MSG-90) and I believe it should have its own , separate page. And by doing this, pages like the AK-47, M16 and G3 will be brief in size too.--SB2296 07:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

New Weapons Infobox Template

I just created a ‎new weapons infobox template. Its just a modified version of the previous templates put together (since I don't know how to create one from scratch). It is only in the prototype stage and I will request help from other members, who know more about creating these templates.What do you think about the template? Should there be any new features?--SB2296 09:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Carbines, Repeating Rifles

I'm getting confused with repeating rifles and carbines and I am having trouble sorting out repeating rifles and carbines in Lois & Clark. Here's some questions I have:

  • 1. Should carbines and lever-action repeating rifles go in the rifle section?
  • 2. Are semi-auto carbines like the Ruger Mini-14 considered as rifles or assault rifles?
  • 3. Are carbines the same as rifles?

I hope I'll be able to sort them out once I find out about carbines and lever-action repeating rifles. - Kenny99 22:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

RE:

I just created a separate page for the HK LMGs- [1] As for the template, I'm trying to take the extra space in consideration and add more IMFDB specific content to it.--SB2296 09:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


Delete list

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Sorry about the long list. I use to upload over existing caps, but when there are several contributors and they label differently. It's more trouble than it's worth to sort.--Predator20 15:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Real-Time Strategy Computer Games Allowed?

I was wondering if strategy games are allowed. There are some that have real weapons (such as Company of Heroes, which I'll try to do) and players can just zoom in to get good shots of the guns. - Kenny99 00:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lethal Weapon S&W

I was looking at the Lethal Weapon 2 page not long ago and saw that the S&W was changed from a 5906 to a 659. I don't remember where I saw it (one of the discussion pages I think) but someone had wrote that the 5906 in Lethal Weapon 2 couldn't be possible at that time period so it had to be a 659. And then, seeing as Murtaugh used what I think was the same gun in Lethal Weapon 3, that's why I thought it was a 659. But seeing as you've just provided better evidence, I'll change it back lol. My mistake. -Gunman69 18:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Should I have blocked this guy?

He's an anonymous IP address and all he did was slowly, bit by bit, delete the entire discussion page of the VG. It struck me as weird, but I could be tired and cranky so I thought I would asked a few other Mods to see if I overreacted. I can always life the ban. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/72.9.28.64 MoviePropMaster2008 03:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

delete page

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Shoot_Em_Up

Someone started this talk page and had Russian language in it, I cleared it. But still needs to be deleted. --Predator20 01:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

SIG cont.

I checked that SIG out at the gun shop again. They had dropped the price from $600 to $570. But after looking over it better, all over the nickel slide, tiny spots of the finish are missing. Pretty poor gun. They have an all black one a little cheaper but it wasn't much better.

I found one on gun broker I really like for $575. Here is the description "Sig P220, West German Manuf. This Sig has been refinished by, CCR / Cummings Custom Refinish. There are no issues and was in Excellent Condition prior to Refinish as it is now, low round count and all Orginal factory parts."

pics.

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It's technically reverse two-tone by SIG standards, but norm for others. It's a $160 for the refinish job, not to mention shipping. --Predator20 18:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I've bought a few older guns off GB and I haven't had any problems. (knock on wood) Generally if the gun was really beat up prior to refinishing, it would still show. Also the grips should actually be the checkered style right? --Predator20 15:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The all black P220 at the gun shop had Hogue finger groove grips, they were much too big for me. The two-tone had the pebble grain and it felt just right. The non finger groove Hogue's may be okay. A few hours before the two-tone SIG above goes out, there's an all black West German one with factory box, papers and two mags. It's in very good condition. It's at $350 right now, I may try to get it, depends on how crazy the bidding gets. --Predator20 01:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

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Well it looks like I'll be the two-tone SIG owner. I got into a bidding war with the black one above. Bowed out at $475 (it was back and forth). I figure the extra $100 on the two-tone would be worth it. Even if it didn't come with extra mag and box.--Predator20 22:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
No prob on getting back to me. I like the two-tone much much better too. But I figured if I could have saved a 100 bucks or more, it would have been nice. But after getting outbid the last time on the black one, I was relieved --Predator20 23:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

This user

Check out what this user did to the MAC-10 page, I reverted his edits. Not sure what the punishment should be.--Predator20 23:17, 25 June 2010 (UTC) http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/69.92.163.96

Crossing Over

Thanks for doing this page. I was going to do this page, and I started doing some screencaps, but I never got back to it. I just uploaded the pics I already had done, but you can go ahead and do the rest. --Ben41 22:49, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


Unfortunately, I don't have the DVD anymore, and that's all the ones I got to. --Ben41 22:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Delete

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:HD-AUG.jpg

Thanks--Predator20 01:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Dear Wendy

Why did you delete Dear Wendy? That was work in progress, I was still doing the screencaps and now the page is gone! Great, now you really killed my effort. Next time, just wait one single day!

AK's

Any idea what these are? I usually go by the front sight to see whether it's hooded or not. But I can't tell. Also my SIG shipped yesterday, maybe it'll arrive by Fri.--Predator20 19:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

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Here are some full screen shots. If they can't be identified then no biggie. Thanks for the help.--Predator20 02:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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Appreciate the help.

Also my SIG was supposed to be delivered Thurs. but my FFL guy wasn't there to sign for it, I guess. (gun transfers are a side business for him). So I probably won't be able to see it until Mon. to start the transfer. I hope it at least gets redelivered today. --Predator20 14:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Spades of Columbia

Spades of Columbia I think this guy intended to make a user page. But made an actual page instead. --Predator20 18:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I Love movie and know guns, but i am ignorant on computer codes and what not. I'm learning or at least trying to.--Spades of Columbia 00:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

The SIG got redelivered yesterday. Funny thing, it came from NC. I hope I get to look at tomorrow. Have a happy 4th too. --Predator20 23:31, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

22 AKs

Nope there were a bunch, the ones imported by Mitchell Arms, I think, were the Armscorp ones made in the Philippines, and they looked like crap. Or the Italian Armi-Jager ones, also imported. Regardless, only the .22LR guns had that style of forearm. As for the Hudsons, I would demand proof of your assertion. I have every Hudson imported from the late 1970s on. They all look the same and they don't look anything like that. :) MoviePropMaster2008 17:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC) (BTW, I'm typing this with no sleep so if I sound insane, forget it) You know what? I think they're the .22 style AKs with other types of mags jammed in.

delete list

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From the trailer.

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http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MP5K-Leibw%C3%A4chter-Cobra11.png

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I told the guy who uploaded the 5 above, to upload jpgs in the future, he offered to re-upload these as jpgs.

Also I get to pick up the SIG Thurs. It's one sexy gun. I'm not sure if its even be fired after the refinish, unless the finish from CCR is really that good.--Predator20 01:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

delete tag

How do I do it? --Predator20 21:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Got it thanks.

There's also the unused file section. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:UnusedImages --Predator20 21:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Daewoo Paratrooper

I moved your comment to the discussion page. Thank you for the help! --Milkovich 11:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Limited Time offer

To only the most TRUSTED IMFDB fellow mods! ;) lOL. If you have a 'wish list' for pics you think the site needs desperately, shoot me a list. I've been busy, but I got a STACK of guns that I haven't photographed yet, including a WASR-3 that looks EXACTLY like Sascha Robey's gun, and a BUNCH of just general replacement pics. But I was thinking you might have a list that you really wanted. this is a limited time offer! :D The only problem with getting some of the BIG armory guns is that the guys really don't like it when I bother them to snap pics when they're neck deep in a big movie production. Gotta tread lightly there. :) On the photo front, I've 'fixed and cleaned up' some guns (and those are the ones I don't put the copyright disclaimer on so you know that I'm just cleaning up jacked images). Hope your summer is going well. :) MoviePropMaster2008 04:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Predators Guns

Hey Matt, The guns for Predators was supplied by ISS. I made the muzzle attachments on the Beretta 92 and the HK. Also made the mount on the AA-12 for the surefire grip/light. - Steve

Transformers 3

Okay. I was SNOOKERED. Apparently this member LIAM who is moviemaster1993 is a fanboy who created the facebook page himself, even though the page says the "OFFICIAL" transformers 3 facebook page, thus falsely implying that it is sanctioned by the studio. NOT being a sanctioned facebook page, immediately makes it suspect in my eyes and I vote for deletion. These behind the scenes photos were NOT released by the studio. They were personally taken by people on set and 'leaked'. The only reason why I did not ban it immediately was because I thought it was an officially facebook sanctioned page. It is not. We can get into serious trouble if studio lawyers all of a sudden get pissed at IMFDB and start sending us 'cease and desist' letters to 'remove' all of our screencaps. That would spell the END Of IMFDB. All because of one fanboy idiot. But I wonder what you think about the matter "No Harm done?" or "delete" ? MoviePropMaster2008 05:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

public enemies?

You never disclosed that anything was wrong, so this reference to an 'incident' is a mystery to me.MoviePropMaster2008 03:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Screen used gun?

Is this the screen used gun from Public Enemies?--Predator20 18:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

File:John-Dillinger-1911A1-Full-Auto-Machine-Pistol.jpg

I did a search earlier. I think it came from this site. http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/tag/pistol/ --Predator20 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well I think Kilgore thought it was Dillinger's actual pistol not the screen used gun. It fucking blows you can't put the screen guns on the site. --Predator20 23:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Public Enemies

Here is the link[2] . Kilgore 00:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You're Welcome. And I already know that it was not Dillenger's Gun after doing some research, but I don't really care because I'll never be able to use it. - Kilgore 00:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Willis Beretta

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DH3-Beretta92FS.jpg Didn't I replace this already? Or is this another version I missed? Help out my crappy memory. ;) MoviePropMaster2008 17:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: Admin

Yeah sounds good, thanks. Another user I'd recommend is User:Jcordell. --Predator20 01:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Got admin rights now. I just want to say thanks again for the recommendation. --Predator20 16:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Another RE: Admin

Sure thing. Very flattering. Thanks.--Jcordell 01:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Great. Looking forward to it. Now I'll have something new to learn. And now I can create a category for Australian movies. --Jcordell 02:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Also I think Ben41 would be a good addition. He and I have been working together on several pages the last few weeks and he seems like a good guy. --Jcordell 02:16, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the recommendation. --Ben41 03:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

PNG images

You can delete the PNG images I uploaded now.

50px 50px 50px 50px 50px 50px

--ScratteLover 14:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Image name syntax

I think we should better make it mandatory for all the names of the screenshot images being uploaded to IMFDB to have a proper syntax, bearing both the movie/television series/game's name and the guns name. Just check out today's recent changes you will a couple of images bearing names such as 'Blaser R93','UMP' and 'G36C', but in fact they are screenshots. I believe that a proper syntax will group common screenshots together and will not club with a gun image bearing the same name.--SB2296 16:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, we should make it a rule and display it in bold letters in the upload file page as well.--SB2296 15:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, couldn't reply earlier as I was too busy with CODBO. Yeah, that's fine. As I said earlier we should put a note of it in the upload file page as well (isn't Bunni the only one who can do this?). BTW we already have rule-breaker with EliteCrew.--SB2296 16:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Image:M1917 Enfield Rifle - .30-06.JPG

Originally I was trying to upload this as new version of Image:M1917enfield.jpg and I messed up and uploaded it as a seperate image. Can you delete it at once. Thanks. Also, when I uploaded as a new version of Image:M1917enfield.jpg, it showed it as the old version of picture. I was never good at uploading new versions of pictures. - Kilgore 21:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Help me out on House of the Dead

What would you say this is? :D

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Any good guess would help me. My brain is firing out of sync for some reason when I look at these screencaps! ;) MoviePropMaster2008 02:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

CW and Die hard with a Vengeance

From what I remember, CW purchased the guns from WS when they were done. There is a lot of internal selling and swapping going on, but only between guys who are friendly with each other. :) Now I annoy everyone ;P LOL but I do loan out stuff to other armories who are short of stuff. :D MoviePropMaster2008 05:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Type 56

I was reading the list of your weapons and noticed you mentioned your Type 56 was "Pre-Ban". Just out of curiosity, are you reffering to the ban on imported Chinese weapons or the ban on automatic weapons? At first I assumed the former but then I realized I've never seen a semi-automatic only Type 56 (not that I have anywhere near enough experience for that to indicate they don't exist). -Anonymous

Reply

Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were talking about the import ban but wasn't sure. In addition to the assult weapons import ban I think there was another ban that prevents any weapons, including sporting arms like the Norinco coppy of the Winchester 1887, from being imported from China. I would have to double check that information though. -Anonymous

PersonOfInterest

What did he do this time?--Alienqueen11 03:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Axeman and Lost images

On the Lost page, the user Axeman keeps reverting the screencaps back to originals he put up. Axeman's images weren't cropped and were too dark. I put up a comparison of his images next to mine on the Lost Discussion page. I think mine would be preferable, but I want to get some other opinions. --Ben41 22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

POI again

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest2

I went ahead and banned him, you should look at what he said on the Bond talk page, he should have went to you first and made his plea.--Predator20 12:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Now that I have Nickel M1911s

What grips do you want me to photograph them with? :) MoviePropMaster2008 19:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

gun discussions

Thanks for making that thread. Unless it has to do with the actual page itself shouldn't the discussions be deleted? Like in Talk:M1911 pistol series there's two sections "Versus modern pistols" & "Controversy igniter" while it has do with 1911 and isn't a hate discussion, but they're not related to actual page. IMFDB isn't guntalk. --Predator20 20:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind an intelligent discussion, but the problem with it being on the wiki instead of the forums. Some users don't sign their post so you have no idea who's saying what, unless you check the history. Another user change someone else's post wayy too easily. With the forum you can reply with quote so you know which comment was directed to whom. We have much more control on the forums when it comes to discussions, which is its main purpose.--Predator20 13:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding a Mod's removal of a trivia section

I have contested Orca's removal of the Canadian dogtags trivia from the X2: X-Men United page citing the rules standards and principles and here is a direct quote from the Rules, Standards and Principles page:

  • Trivia related Images: Exceptions are trivia shots, but Trivia sections should be kept to a minimum and should be of general interest to movie buffs and not just re-iterate information that is on the DVD commentary. Acceptable trivia can mention military aircraft, vehicles and equipment in a film or television show or generally unknown information about a show or video game that is weapons related in nature, however small amounts of general trivia that is related to the scene is acceptable.

Orca removed it because it is "Not Gun Related" even though the rules allow for small bits of trivia esp. if they are military related. I am forwarding this you because I have messaged Orca, and he has yet to respond even though I messaged him a couple days ago.

--AdAstra2009 18:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

spammer?

User:PearlMooney

Don't know what to think of it. --Predator20 14:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Did you see this?

[3]

Ben sent this to MPM, it's quite an extensive list. Not all of it seems like it would be correct like a Desert Eagle is listed as being used in Predator (which they did), but also The Deer Hunter. It wasn't even around yet. But in some, it could be useful, like it says a Glock 21 was used in Eraser instead of G17 that we have listed. It also had the shotgun he used but the folding stock is gone. --Predator20 03:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Another thing I didn't get, both the DE's shown had 14" barrels, I've never seen one used in a film. (Always the standard 6", would be cool if they did.) In Predator and Extreme Prejudice they both had DE's but neither showed them with those barrels. I guess the frames and slides were used in the film but the barrels changed out. Also the G21 in Eraser has the dummy suppressor used so that's probably correct. I scanned through most of it, I would guess 80% to 90% is probably correct. --Predator20 05:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
hmmm.. I haven't seen Eraser in a while. Was the scene of him loading the gun an insert shot? That may have been the reason for the different Glocks, but they all look alike to me anyway :). I stopped in my local gun shop yesterday and handled a Gen2 G21 and Springfield XDM .45. The XDM while it felt slide heavy it had so much better of a grip than the Glock. I'm not sure if the SF version and Gen4 would be much of an improvement. I hate to even stop in there, there is always something I want to get. They have S&W 1911 Commander I really really want. Thinking about trading in the DE and Para to get it, I'm tired of those guns. --Predator20 17:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

M1911A1 disclaimer

I'm thinking about adding this to the M1911A1 section. LMK what you think. I'm not really satisfied with the wording.

Note many in the list below could actually be Colt Mark IV Series 70/80 Government Models, Springfield Armory, or another manufacturer. Instead of a former military issued M1911A1, unless its a war film. Since the markings of the gun aren't always clear, M1911A1 is a catch-all term. Being most 1911 manufacturers pistols are based off the M1911A1 platform.

--Predator20 22:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Usually we can spot the Model B. but they could slip by. The Mark IV Series 70 in 9mm while it was available they aren't all that common, I very rarely see them come up for sale. (maybe the armories bought them all). Also while it's hard to do because of the breech face, a .45 can be converted to 9mm. Maybe with a blank conversion it's very common. Because they are doing all kinds of filing down and such. This is from the Cobra talk page. "I would say that it's one of Stembridge 9mm conversions of a Colt Series 70 Cold Cup. I have seen some of there barrels in the junk bin as they converted 45 to 9mm. I will check it out tomorrow the 18th and get back to you.- Phoenixent" A lot of them being chambered or converted to 9mm sounds like good mention. But when did actual .45 1911's become reliable with blanks? --Predator20 04:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I remember MPM saying they often borrow from each other, so certain rare variants may come from specific armories. Looking at the Stembridge auction list, in Magnum P.I. and Blues Brothers they used 9mm Series 70, while a lot of Seagal films had .45 Series 70. So I guess it wasn't until the mid to late 80s .45s were reliable enough to be used. In the auction list there was also several Series 80 9mm that weren't converted to blanks (I guess future conversions). I'm going to ask Phoenixent what was the most common 1911 model in Stembridge's inventory. --Predator20 22:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Steve gave me a bunch of useful info. I'm going to use that disclaimer as I have it written, then expand on it later with the 9mm stuff. --Predator20 20:48, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Should we just use the summary Steve made? Maybe take out just the info the regarding Stembridge's inventory. Somethings could be reworded but we would have to ask to Steve if that's okay with him. --Predator20 02:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I reworded was the 45 to 9mm conversion and took out the info about Stembridge. --Predator20 02:20, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

In early gangster films Colt 1911's were not converted to blanks but were still live fire weapons. This was before live rounds were prohibited on film sets. The 1911's and 1911a1 are a delayed blow back weapon and were more difficult to convert than the straight blow back pistol like the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. The .45 ACP blanks were made from a cut down .30-06 cartridge and were mainly used in the Colt Thompson Submachine Guns but the 1911 had some issues due to the hard rifle primers. So most 1911 and 1911A1's used in films prior to 1950 fired only one shot since they were not converted to blanks or a mock up 1911 that has a small revolver inside an aluminum shroud to stand in for a 1911 when firing multiple rounds. About 1950 the Star Model B was brought in to the US for sale and several studios and armories purchased these since 9mm blanks worked and a conversion on a delayed blow back weapon was developed. From 1950 through the mid 80's the Star Model B, Colt 9mm and Colt .38 Supers with a 9mm barrel were used. Around 1985 a new .45 blank cartridge was developed that used a large pistol primer allowing the armories to activate their 1911's to fire reliably. Conversions from .45 to 9mm were tried prior to this but had problems due to the larger breach face in the 45 slide compared to the 9mm slide. The rentals of 9mm 1911 pistol have slowed down since the .45 came on line but they still go out on shows when a Propmaster wants to limit the amount of different blanks on set.

Alright check the rewording. --Predator20 04:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand

I apologize if I offended you, but I've seen MANY pages that have witty remarks on them, and saying "Rulers are SO 1950's" I don't consider offensive. I have written comments like this before, and no one ever cared. Again, I'm sorry, but I'd appreciate an explaination of why it was "Vandalism". --Glock172 05:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Golden closet credit for Scarface shotgun

Curious as to why we credited them when we really don't have any of their stuff on the page (i.e. the photos of the Zebala shotgun). Those are all mine. I thought we credited them and made links for them when we used their photos. MoviePropMaster2008 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the stupid anon, IMFDB tends to log me out mysteriously when I'm typing. You were right to assume that since no other person would claim that the photos on the page were theirs.MoviePropMaster2008 19:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Are you going to answer my question or not? There is a notation about the shotgun "This exact weapon was also rented to film and television productions prior to and after the release of Scarface." but no other information is offered. GC's website doesn't list any other credits. Also the tribute to GC is listed twice. Once on the paragraph and again on my photograph. This portrays the erroneous impression that they provided the photograph. I am removing this section (blurb on the photo). Also the impression is that they are the only ones to document the screen usage of the gun, which again is untrue. we can list a link to their auction, but they really did nothing other than offer additional documentation on the weapons we already had on the page. MoviePropMaster2008 07:34, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Tricky wording

Well you don't want to overpander to GC. The wording sounds like you're giving them credit for my work which as you know, can cause problems. I intend to do some editing of those sections which are overtly offensive if it's alright with you. MPM

Category:Movie

I added the a to z function to it, but it's not centered, any ideas?--Predator20 16:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Also it works for all pages not just movies. I'm not sure how to create a new one that works for films only.--Predator20 16:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The Movies Guns Actors etc is okay, but the alpha list isn't for some reason. Maybe it's the computer? I took the a to z list from the main page which is centered for me. I don't know, I'm not worried about it too much, an anonymous user wanted the list there. Also have you talked to Chris about all the spammers on the forum?--Predator20 17:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I logged out and it's fine! Do you see the advertisements when you're logged in? I don't, I thought I was missing out when y'all when talking about them and I didn't see them.--Predator20 17:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Yep that's what I was talking about and you do see the ads. Go to your preferences (beside your talk page) and change the skin to modern. Instead of your stuff being on the left it will be on the right, might take out the ads too. I never see any ads when I'm logged in. --Predator20 17:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I messed up I meant to say your user page, talk etc instead of being on the right it will be on the left. (Typing and thinking at the same time is hard for me) Even though you don't have the IMFDB logo. I have used the modern skin for the longest time. --Predator20 17:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

AK buying

It will be a few months away, but figured I would go ahead and nag ya. (I just bought two Korean 75 round drums that were one sale for $50 apiece from AIM, so I have got to get one to make the drums worthwhile) You said the Chinese Poly Techs are great and I think it was the Hungarian's too? Used or new doesn't really matter. I didn't want to spend more than $800. But if the right one came along I could see spending a little more. This one on gunbroker looked great, http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=205633083 What about the Norinco's? Besides the Arsenal Saiga are there any in current production worth looking at? --Predator20 17:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

cont... Alright I did a bit of searching on prices. Whoever listed that Polytech Legend for a 1k, fucked up. Most list at 2k or close to it. In the book of gun values they list the standard Poly's at $1300 (100% condition), the Legend at $1900. I don't really care whether it's milled or stamped, but fuck that was a good deal.--Predator20 22:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
No that wasn't me sadly. I was searching completed auctions and that one came up, it sold at the beginning of Dec. I have gotten a few good deals, but I'm never that lucky. My username on GB is Predator20 also. Yours is a Legend but has the the stamped receiver? I'm just reading from the Gun Values book it says the Poly Tech AKS is the semi-auto version of the Chinese AKM (Type 56), while the Legend is the semi-auto version of the original AK-47 which I thought meant milled only.
Yes it's amazing what banning a firearm can do to prices, the PT's last MSR was $400 and $550, but that was 20 years ago. All the current PT prices on gunbroker seem out of line, of course that's because of that one above. It will a few months before I'm able to get one. Unless that super great deal comes along. Even though there are plenty of cheap ones around, I'd rather spend the few extra dollars and get better quality. --Predator20 02:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

AKMS vs Norinco

How many times are you going to change that page back? :) That slant muzzle brake throws people off, if I was you I'd tell Ben. --Predator20 04:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I have corrected him a few times on 1911s, particularly the Low Down Dirty Shame page. AKs are your bag. As much work as he does he deserves a little slack.

Also even though I heard good things about the Russian Arsenal AKs, a guy on youtube did a video on one, he couldn't swap parts from his WASR and other AK onto it. So Arsenal made them so you would have to buy their parts, forget all that.--Predator20 22:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Norinco Type 56 section

Should we add a note saying the Type 56 was originally manufactured with a milled receiver, since we don't have a pic of one? A lot of the Vietnam films with Norinco's generally have the milled. Platoon, Uncommon Valor, Good Morning Vietnam.

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A VC Guerrilla trains his AK-47 on 'Doc' Jordan (Austin Farwell), giving us a good look at the muzzle and forward stock that confirms it as an AK, rather then the Chinese variant, the Norinco Type 56.

Isn't that a Type 56 above? the front sight looks hooded.--Predator20 17:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hacker's shotguns

I don't think those are 870s.--Predator20 07:25, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

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Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.
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The bolt doesn't look rounded like the 870s, the forend reminds me of the Smith & Wesson 3000. Which are close to the 870.
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An Agent with a Remington 870 tries to restrain Joey when he tries to stop another Agent from taking away "Lucy" (his computer).
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Hatsan Escort Guard Shotgun (standard finish) - 16 gauge (Brown Synthetic Stock)
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This one has an extended tube, but it looks to be one piece (like they way Ithaca's are). 870s with tube extensions are always two piece, at least that's the way they are on the 12 gauge models. This doesn't look like a 12 gauge so that could be it.
edit I think it could be a Hatsan, not sure if the earlier models had an unsupported tube. --Predator20 08:16, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

Hackers Black screen?

For some reason, the following screenshot comes up as a black screen. It was a screenshot showing the M16SP1 from the movie Hackers. --Ben41 07:41, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

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The Secret Service enters Grand Central Station, as seen from above. The SWAT officer circled in red appears to have an early M16 (recognizable by the "slab side" receiver), instead of the M16A1s and M16A2s used by the others.
Man I tried to re-upload this. To see what I would get. I get this warning message repeated several times. "Warning: imagesx(): supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/imfdb/public_html/w/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 231" Something about that image this site doesn't like.--Predator20 13:14, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

Street Kings/Dark Blue 1911

I think it's the same one, (all the features match anyway), I figured the guy who uploaded it would put it on the Street Kings page. Also a South African armourer signed up on the site. Lance Peters, he's going to get some pics of the modified Vektor R5's mocked up like AK's. --Predator20 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

Forum topic

I'm waiting for approval to post on the forums, and I don't think Burt has quite explained what he's doing: he opposes the use of the term "RPG" to describe anything but RPG-X weapons, because he thinks you should only read it as the Russian meaning rather than the more common "rocket propelled grenade" (which I'm fairly sure the US Army would have some issues with, since they call projectiles and launchers RPGs all the time). He's therefore removing all references to the Type 69 or its projectiles being RPGs, which isn't correct. While you might not always say "Norinco type 56 assault rifle" you wouldn't remove the words "assault rifle" from a caption because it was wrong. Evil Tim 22:41, 13 April 2011 (CDT)

    • Nope, I still get the "Evil Tim, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:" box come up when I try to post. Also, I screencapped Black at last; I've got a new capture device that lets me record video good enough to actually use for capturing from rather than having to stick with the rather grainy stuff I had to settle with for Dark Sector. This means that all those console games nobody has the equipment to screencap can have pictures. Well, all the ones I own / can sensibly get hold of, at least. :D Evil Tim 09:30, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

MP-25 image

Is that your personal Raven Arms MP25 image? I was just asking in that it looks rather horrible (not the image quality but the condition of the firearm! LOL! :) ) That's a really beat up gun! hahahaha. I was going to photograph a pristine MP-25 that I found in inventory. But I wanted to check first. MoviePropMaster2008 22:03, 3 May 2011 (CDT)

hahahaha, I was WONDERING if you went over to the DARK SIDE and started liking those 'cool' gangsta pistols that all the MS-13 dudes carry in their pants falling down around their butts! LOL! Holy CRAP! That's a beat up gun! What are those NY productions doing over there?! LOL MoviePropMaster2008 22:24, 3 May 2011 (CDT)


Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock

You had mentioned in the forums a while back that you had a picture of a Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock that was used in Pirates of the Caribbean films, but you didn't put it up because the page kept being deleted. Is it possible that you can post it now? Thanks.

--Ben41 20:55, 1 June 2011 (CDT)

Trapdoor Springfield Flintlock Pistol

Thanks. I'll be putting this on the page. You wouldn't happen to know which Pirates movie it was used in? --Ben41 00:21, 2 June 2011 (CDT)

Readcted Discussion.

Hi Thanks for the comment on my profile explaining your removal of my discussion on Redacted. The removal of the entire discussion proved unquestionably for me what I was fearing most and trying to prevent on this site. I am sure you are smart enough to deduce what that thing is for people like me - whatever you wish to call us.

I was originally planning to leave this site with a much nastier rant about all you people and what I predict for you and this site in the near future. However, there is enough nastyness and hate in the world, so the best way to go is witha good note.

I will try to close my account here, and I wont bother going to any forum to argue with any of you. Can I please finally ask you to please close my account for me if I don't manage to do it myself (I am by far no computer or tech wizard).

Goodbye mate, and take care of yourself. Tec-9 16:02, 8 June 2011 (CDT)

Hi again. Did end up coming back on this site to check if my account is closed or not, and yeah did manage to read your message and here I am responding to it. I can argue against everything you said, but it will definately be a waste of my time and probably your too. Regarding 'what I fear most and trying to stop on this site', I was refering to a fusion of ignorance, extremism and censorship. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that is just my viewpoint. My English is actually quite good, I just guessed you'd figure it out without the need for me to explicitly state it.
I am also not quite sure what you mean by a "martyr complex", I have no desire to die for anything or making a martyrdom out of being banned from this website. That would be downright laughable, as I have quite openly requested for my account to be closed, rather than being banned for speaking my "radical leftist" viewpoint. Besides which, even if I was that indignant as to claim I've been banned for political reasons, who would really care, and how can something so insignificant on the world wide web make any difference to this site.
So again I request that can you please close down my account or ban me on request. Alternatively, I guess I'll just change my password to something really long that I wont remmeber and logging out.
Either way, goodbye and take care of yourself.
Peace. Tec-9 10:48, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

Battle:LA

Yes, I was planning on doing it, was there any shots in particular you wanted to add? I took the M134 minigun entry because I couldn't find a shot of it. I'm going to be uploading it tonight. Ben

If you think there's any other screenshots to add, then go ahead. --Ben41 15:05, 15 June 2011 (CDT)

HBK edits

All I'm doing is cleaning up links, I don't see what the big problem is? TheHeartbreakKid15 16:03, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

I know I don't have to do it, I just thought it would be better to have direct links rather than redirecting. Besides I don't see it as a waste of time, personally, as it's helping out one of my most visited websites :) TheHeartbreakKid15 18:17, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

He's doing it again. I wouldn't even say anything but this is starting to annoy me, along with other things. Anyway, I left him a message but I figure you should know also of course. StanTheMan 12:49, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

Ultimate Force

Don't worry, am going to add descriptions, gun links/photos and captions, just wanted to add all the screencaps first so I had a frame to work on (have finished this now, so just about to start on the rest). As for the order of the guns, I did them chronologically (preferred this as it means it is easier to use the page to ID unknown guns IMO). In your opinion should it be alphabetical then, and is there any official rule/guideline on this?

As for the length, I personally far prefer pages for the whole series rather than splitting it into seasons, and believe that on the whole it is far more user friendly than split into seasons. (This is why I put the guns in each category chronologically rather than alphabetically.) Being a Stargate fan I am sometimes frustrated by the new layout, in particular if I am on a gun page and want to see pics of it being used and the link just redirects me to the root SG1 page, and am left guessing what season to click. What exactly is the IMFDB policy on length of pages (couldn't find anything about it on the rules page), as assumed this would be an ok length as it has a smaller number of guns than other unsplit pages on the site. However, I suppose if it is against the policy, I'll split it up.

Also, while I'm here is it against the rules to create a gun page for a gun that will likely have only one appearance? I found a BMS Snicam while doing this page and don't like it being unlinked, but I highly doubt there will ever be another production with one (or any of the Milcam variants) in.--commando552 19:53, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

Dark Angel

Actualy, i only have Season 2 on DVD. I bought it because the local library only had Season 1 on DVD. However, I will get the DVDs from the library soon. I the mean time, I'll put those pictires you sent me on the Dark Angel page, to be replaced when I get the DVD from the library.--Mandolin 10:56, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

The Hurt Locker and user captain america

We had changed the protection level to mods only because he keep removing the comment about the 9mm vs 40. We downgraded it to allow users for a while now and it's been fine. Today he removed it again for the third time. What should we do about him?--Predator20 22:34, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

My Activation

Oh MT2008, can you please add me to the imfdb forum. :) - Mr. Wolf 03:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

Can't register on forum

Hello.

Whenever I try to register on forum with the same e-mail I use on IMFDB, I get the message: "The administrator has banned your email address. To contact the administrator click here". So I contacted the administrator and waited for a couple of days but nothing happened. One of IMFDB members directed me to you to ask for help. Can my problem be resolved? --Masterius 06:05, 23 September 2011 (CDT)

Gun handling

Are you sure??? I have seen many comments about the gun handling in movies because it refers to the use of the firearms int the movie. I think that IMFDB would be boring if we simply listed the firearms and did not connect how they are used to the story. For example: on the Terminator Two page, I mentioned that Sarah shows excellent gun handling due to her preparation for judgement day.


No problemo!--Yo dawg 111 15:50, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

Weapon Naming Question

Hello.

I wanted to inquire about one standard that is absent from Rules, Standards and Principles page. The weapon naming. If the weapon was called incorrectly in the first place, is it allowable for users to change it to correct one, provided they provide serious sources (that is, not some unsourced Wikipedian stub)?

An example of such weapon is SVU (incorrectly called 'SVU Dragunov', as I was explaining on the corresponding talk page. --Masterius 10:10, 11 November 2011 (CST)

Two Tone Sig Sauer P228.jpg

Why did you revert that, exactly? Commando552's image seems higher quality, the one you reverted to is very jagged around the bottom where the background was edited out. Evil Tim 05:49, 15 November 2011 (CST)

Correct Dates

Thanks for the heads up. Any help from fellow admins would be helpful in keeping the site correct. --Ben41 01:30, 26 November 2011 (CST)

In the future, I'll try to keep accurate dates on the pages I make, but I'm a little perplexed about why you've harped on me for some relatively minor mistakes. I do understand that accuracy is of utmost importance on this site, but since I've been trying to update and clean up a lot of the site, accidents are bound to occur. If you found some inaccuracies in my edits, then I accept getting a heads up about it, but I don't believe I deserve what seems to me a relatively harsh response. You're making me feel a little bit discouraged about doing anything for this site. --Ben41 18:41, 21 January 2012 (CST)

Heckler and Koch

Can i ask why you deleted the page that i created?--Zackmann08 00:12, 24 December 2011 (CST)

It seemed like people really liked the idea in the main discussion... (here). --Zackmann08 00:24, 24 December 2011 (CST)
Thanks for explaining. I responded to your post in the main discussion but I just want to say again to you directly that I am really not trying to be the guy who comes in and changes everything. I know how annoying it can be when you've been working on something for months and years and some hot-headed know-it-all comes in and tries to change everything. I hope you know that that is NOT what I am trying to do. I try my best to know my place around here and I respect the judgement and far superior knowledge of my superiors/elders (not just the admins but those who clearly know more about guns then I do). I am not simply kissing ass when I say that this is an awesome thing you got going here. I really hope to contribute to this website for years to come. Hope you have a very Merry Christmas/Happy Chanukah. --Zackmann08 09:25, 24 December 2011 (CST)

It's all good! Look forward to the discussion. --Zackmann08 10:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)

Hey man. First off, happy new year. Second, I wanted to see what your thought of the gun brand pages now that they have been up for a few weeks... --Zackmann08 10:48, 3 January 2012 (CST)

TheHeartbreakKid15

For what its worth I wanted to let you know that TheHeartbreakKid15 is back to editing redirect links. I looked at his user talk and noticed that you and other admins had asked him multiple times to stop. I have to agree with you. I've been fixing a lot of these lately and it is particularly problematic because if a page is moved you cant simply change the redirects, you have to go change the individual pages that this guy is messing up. --Zackmann08 11:24, 6 February 2012 (CST)

OMG! He did it again... He just did all the CSI pages... I'm undoing his edits but WTF?! How many times has he been told not to? --Zackmann08 21:05, 21 February 2012 (CST)

SIGs

Thanks for the pointers on identifying SIGs. That will definitely come in handy. :-) --Zackmann08 13:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

CSI: NY - Season 6

Hey. Just out of curiosity why did you undo my edit to CSI: NY - Season 6? I thought the image I used better represented the gun in question... --Zackmann08 22:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

*hangs head*... and THAT is why I am still a self-proclaimed novice... That was exactly why I thought it was a better image but you are, of course, correct. Sorry if I came across the wrong way, I was honestly just trying to understand what I did wrong. :-) --Zackmann08 22:41, 20 March 2012 (CDT)
As someone still learning about how the movie prop business, it amazes me that the same gun that was used by Martin Laurence in Bad Boys II, gets used by some random thug in CSI: NY. Pretty cool. Speaking of ISS, is that who MPM works for?? Does anyone actually know or is that a secret? --Zackmann08 23:10, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

By the way, while I'm talking to ya, any chance you can add the following to the Category:Gun page? It'd be great to have all the subcategories listed on the front of the page. I'd do it but the page is locked. --Zackmann08 23:22, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

SUB CATEGORIES


Would you be willing to lift the restriction on the page? It seems unnecessary any way but I am almost certain I know how to make it work and you can always re-lock the page after I try. I promise I wont mess anything up. :-) --Zackmann08 15:09, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Thanks! Done. Hows that look? --Zackmann08 15:32, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Glock 19

The filename "Glock19" should be a picture of the Glock 19 instead of a screenshot. That Glock picture was your picture. I'm always writing the code from memory for the weapons and would rather have something with that filename. Whatever. --Ben41 23:45, 30 March 2012 (CDT)

I need you or another admins help, my other account was blocked wrongfully.

Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with an issue I am having. Admin "Evil Tim" blocked me for no reason thinking I was some guy named "Burt", which I am not, my name is Danny. I tryed to contact him about it on my blocked account "Glock17gen4", but it wouldnt let me so I'm forced to use this account I made. I tryed to contact him and I have no received a reply, I think he is ignoring the msg or something. I was wondering if you could help and unblock my other account, thanks. SaferSephiroth 16:24, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

DX4 Vaporizer

Hey man, I saw on the CSI: Miami page that you apparently have pictures of the DX4 Vaporizer? I'm about to add it to the CSI: Miami - Season 6 page and any pictures would be most appreciated. Thanks! --Zackmann08 00:03, 12 April 2012 (CDT)

Infoboxes

Hey. So first off, a disclaimer, I am posting the following message for each of the Admins so don't think I'm spamming. Just want to get input from all of you. I have been working on a number of infoboxes for different pages (Template:Infobox Movie, Template:Infobox TV, Template:Infobox Video Game). I have already gotten some help from Bunni who installed an additional add-on to facilitate the templates. I would love to get some feedback from you (and other admins) regarding these. Do you like the format? Are there things you would like changed? Should additional information be added? The nice thing is that with the add-on that Bunni installed, you do not have to provide all the information for the infobox. Any variables left blank will simply not be printed.

Finally, I would like to see how you feel about my adding these to pages. I have gotten positive feedback from a number of users (including at least 3 admins) but before I add this to more than a dozen or so pages (which I have done for testing purposes) I want to really get full permission. I know that sweeping changes are a MAJOR no-no without full admin approval. Check out the thread in the forum (http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1942). I look forward to hearing your feedback! :-) --Zackmann08 11:16, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

RE: Supernatural

I think "Jericho 941" should only be used to refer to the series of pistols, as all of the pistol listed on that page are Jericho 941s, just different models. I don't think it hurts to be specific about the gun you are talking about, and also differentiated between when you are talking about the gun series as a whole and the one specific model. I reorganised the Jerich 941 page a while ago to use the correct model designations (up until that point all guns were being called just Jericho 941s, even if they had the frame safety, were semi compacts or had polymer frames) so when someone identifies a pistol now it should be identified by the specific model. Most IDs pre-date when I did this though, but I can go through and change them (would also be an opportunity to double check that they are the correct models) , is that OK? --commando552 (talk) 08:31, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

The thing with the SIGs is that they were originally called P226Rs when they were first introduced, its just that now that all P226s have the rail they have abandoned the distinction. Using the "R" for railed SIGs is what was actually done by the company themselves, not something we made up. The thing with the 941s though is that there is no distinction between the unrailed and railed models as far as I can tell in terms of model designations, its just that the railed one is the current model. Not 100%, but I think it may be the case that the rail was introduced when the Jericho started being produced under the IWI name rather than IMI, so that could be a way of distinguishing between the two. Also, the American MRI guns refer to the later railed guns as the "Baby Desert Eagle II". We don't use the MRI naming but rather the original Jericho, but we could refer to railed guns by putting a "II" after them as in "Jericho 941 R II", but this seems a bit clunky to me and is not how it is actually done by IWI. What do you think? --commando552 (talk) 13:19, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

Comments

I am trying to write this without a tone of anger, but I just don't understand why you feel the need to make such a snarky comment on the JAG page. I'm sorry that I'm not observant enough, but you could be a little bit more forgiving about this and help me out. I'm trying to do right, but comments like you make, don't make me feel like I should contribute any more. --Ben41 (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

Forum Registration

Hello

Been a while since I came back and posted something on IMFDB. Anyways, I wanted to sign up for the forum because I wanted to ask something about guns but the registration was disabled. When do you think it will be re-enabled?--Gunkatas (talk) 01:38, 20 November 2012 (EST)

P.S. The image about posting signatures needs to be updated.

Excuse me.

I apologize for my mistake. For some reason I thought that this nickel-plated Type  56-1 is used in Typhoon. Later I saw the movie page, and saw his mistake, but it was too late, and I decided not to correct it. Next time I'll be more careful with the editing. Tell me please, where in this case is still used this machine, except those films that are referred in this photo:

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Andrey Karchikyan (talk) 23:07 28 July 2013 (MSK)

Breaking Bad

If you want to let know where in the episode it's seen and what episode they're from, then I can put them up. --Ben41 (talk) 15:01, 1 October 2013 (EDT)

I probably already have it, but I haven't put it up yet. Just wondering, did Hank ever use his Glock in Season 3 or 4? --Ben41 (talk) 15:15, 2 October 2013 (EDT)

The Amazing Spider-Man

"There is no evidence for this; just because the NYPD uses this gun in real life doesn't mean that it's what's in the movie"

I would never base my identification of a gun used by any police agency in a movie purely on what their real life equivalence carry. There sure are evidence that the SIG-Sauer P226 used by Denis Leary is a DAK, or possibly DAO gun, and here are the evidence;

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Here if you look closely you can see there is no decocker on the pistol, it's a little hard to tell but you can see it if you look closely.
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Here you can definitely see that the hammer is bobbed.
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Here is a better shot of the gun where you can see there is clearly no decocking lever on this gun.
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Best possibly closeup where again there is no decocking lever on the pistol.
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Good profile shot of the gun clearly showing the bobbed hammer.

There you have it, evidence that I didn't just base it on what the NYPD carry in real life. So, do any of these have to go on the page to show the gun is a DAK, in that case which of them do you recommend? I don't think all of them has to go on the page just to show it's a DAK pistol. --Thejoker (talk) 17:22, 23 October 2013 (EDT)

Okey thanks, sorry if I came off as grumpy. --Thejoker (talk) 23:08, 26 November 2013 (EST)

RE X-Files

Thanks, that means quite a deal. I know you contributed quite a bit for the show's page, including caps (many of which I'm keeping since mine really aren't/won't be any better). I'm definitely happy I got Season 1 locked, BUT now I have to go forward with Season 2, and so forth! Bah.. BUT, I'll get it all eventually though - I too really pained to see the page kinda fall by the wayside like it did, so figured I'd do something about it. It's a pretty big project for me, but I really want to get this show up to par with most of the other pages, especially after helping out Ben with Criminal Minds and SVU. That all said, I see you've already added some stuff, which is great! I appreciate it a lot - good to have a little extra help. Feel free to keep adding even for the other seasons if you have stuff - There are talk pages set up as storage for every season so just put it all there and I can sort it out when I get to that season. Anyway, again, thanks much! StanTheMan (talk) 16:52, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

You can go ahead and upload them. --Ben41 (talk) 00:27, 17 August 2014 (EDT)
Well, I actually skipped that episode since you said you had some. I doubt they're that bad, but if you're concerned, you can post 'em up in the talk page. As I said, I simply re-used several of your caps since they're good enough, ones I get won't likely be that much better. There's maybe one or two extras or re-dos I might wanna get anyway, so if I really feel the need, I can try to get ones for "Pusher" then. Otherwise, we'll just go with 'em - Outside of those caps S3's pretty much as complete as can be right now. About to load all the other caps I took on the page now. StanTheMan (talk) 19:54, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Just looked at the page, all of the caps look good to me - As I surmised, I don't think I could really do better. Thanks for getting those and setting them up on the page. Now, short of HD shots, I definitely think S3's pretty much wrapped-up. Your lack of memory actually reminded me I hadn't uploaded the other DVD covers, so I did that, also checking some of the related actor pages thus far too. I intend to follow-up with the gun pages as well (at least some anyway, others I'd rather hold off on 'till more of the show's done). Otherwise, guess it's on to S4 - many of those I think I (and perhaps even you) could actually improve on. And on it goes.. StanTheMan (talk) 21:51, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Looking back through the season pages, it seems the only Olympic Arms rifles there are that match the existing gun image (the A1E1 receiver with the A1 barrel) are in S3, and I mark that by the thinner barrels in some shots - But in all other cases, they appear to be the heavy barrel rifles, while the other rifles with thinner barrels just about all seem to be SP1 mockups, so I definitely get your point. I myself had no trouble with posting the two AR images and all that, but I admit it can be a bit much, and potentially confusing. Long as it's not a problem for anyone else, perfectly fine by me to standardize on one rifle type and one image. Also, moved your last message to a new section on my talk page, as the main one I had on my talk page was gettin' a bit large (hell, soon I might want to go for an archive on my talk page.. damn have I really talked and done that much? Bah.) Anyway again I'm cool on condensing the listing(s) and image(s), no problem by me. StanTheMan (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
Some of the ones in "731" looked like they had the A1 barrels but had the OA's Stowaway grips. Or so it seemed, anyway, as I said. The rifles in "731" are never shown worth a damn enough to get any real good shots (Not for me to get, anyway - I might try to see if I can do anything about that with more/new caps, but I ain't expecting much really). Hell, could still be rifles with the heavy barrels and again, just not quite a good shot. Again, like I said, it was just what it seemed, not gonna treat it as hard fact or anything of course. That to me was the only case where it seemed different, otherwise it all seems to tie with your view, which I pretty much I agree with - I agree that it seems the general rule was OA's for any heavy barrel rifles and the lighties being SP1s. Now I always work under the assumption there's exceptions to every rule, but I'm still with you anyway in that regard, and I don't mind proceeding that way on the pages. Thanks for all the input and assistance thus far. StanTheMan (talk) 00:03, 29 September 2014 (EDT)

Part Deux

Thanks, but I'm actually not done here yet. Phase one was just updating some of the existing pics, I actually have a lot more additional caps and sections to load - Would have done it all last night but it was gettin' late. I am going through the series in-order so I'm not at "Max" yet - I'm doing it in three passes, this first pass is "Herrenvolk" to "Terma", "Paper Hearts" to "Max" will be the next pass, and the rest of the season will be the last set. And so forth. I find going through a few episodes at a time gives me quite a good bit to upload and change without getting too intensive (although this set of episodes was pretty damn involved, "Field Where I Died", "Musings of CSM' and "Tunguska" each have a fair bit of firearms so it took some time to get caps). Anyway, I'll certainly go about getting caps on "Max" as best I can, I know there are a lot of guns in it and many probably aren't seen well. But I'll certainly try. Hell I actually have a lot more caps than what I've loaded, but need to pick and choose the best stuff and try not to get carried away. Season 4 may indeed take a while, since there are a lot of episodes with a fair amount of firearms in them. But I'm gettin' there, of course. StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

Just got S4 wrapped up - What do you think? I'm pretty sure I got just about everything. StanTheMan (talk) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (EDT)
Yeah, it is awesome, glad to have it done finally. That said, I just saw S1 on the main page as a featured article, which is awesome (part of that is due to Ben getting the HD caps, but nevertheless, kickass to see). Should also note that on the main page I rewrote the description a bit, and re-arranged the titles to show the first film in-between S5 and S6, as it is proper chronologically and the film itself does go between those seasons of the series in sequence. It looks better to me, and I don't think anyone else will mind. Anyway, yeah, I plan to start working on S5 soon, hopefully anyway (I have constraints as well, or might have 'em soon, perhaps, we'll see). I originally intended to get the whole show, and still intend to eventually. But sure, whatever help you can give will be much appreciated. StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 25 October 2014 (EDT)
Ah, thanks! I was wondering about that, they looked like flat-top uppers from the Model 920 M4s and newer stuff but that's a moving shot so I wasn't sure if that was the case or an angle/motion thing. The pages you linked have good relevant details so I'll re-work that section, or you can if you feel so inclined. Either way's good with me, appreciate the help, as usual. StanTheMan (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2014 (EST)
Went ahead and changed that section with the relevant info, hope it works alright. Let me know if anything's off or otherwise feel free to change anything that's off. Thanks yet again. StanTheMan (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2014 (EST)
Done with S5 now. "Folie à Deux" and "Pine Bluff Variant" took a bit to get everything but I'm pretty sure I got just about all of it - definitely some good shots of the MP5SDs (found a couple fixed-stock SD2s in there) and that long-barrel Type 84S. Would like a bit of help on some of the unknown stuff, the sniper rifle in "The End" especially. Also, you'll notice I kept your old widescreen images, I got a couple of replacements but Netflix presently only has the whole series in FS (Still kicking myself for not doing it last year, they had WS on the last 2-3 seasons at least) and while yours have grain to 'em, they are good enough shots; mine won't be a great deal better. The Rules of course also says to get/keep WS caps when possible. So, hanging onto those for the time being. I also kept that one cropped shot of the Spectre, since I believe it's a crop from the WS version as well and one I can't really replace (and again, its a good shot). Anyway, there it is, any thoughts/notes? StanTheMan (talk) 18:47, 9 November 2014 (EST)
Thanks for the notes -
1) I do agree that it looks closer to the 'Target' rather than the 'Match' - Main reason I got that one completely horizontal shot was to compare the two, and I agree the barrel isn't near long enough for a Match version. I'd have to agree the rifle in "Terma" is the same one so the ID applies to both. I'll modify the listing(s) and use the image we have, and just note that it has a folding stock.
2) KNEW I had seen a rifle like that recently but for the life of me couldn't place it, I think you're spot on there.
3) I figured as much, I've seen screencaps on other pages done that way, too. Again, they're decent enough to keep, I'd rather wait 'til the HD remastering before worrying about changing them.
4) Figured it was a S&W, but wasn't entirely sure of the model, not used to seeing decocker-less models like the 5946 much. But that makes sense. Also, can't believe I missed that was the same masked dude (just shows ya I've been working too hard :P)
5) Well, I kinda see what you mean but while the reciever looks a bit slim in width, it doesn't appear to be elongated lengthwise like a Cobray (hard to tell though). More than that it also doesn't look like it has the disk-shaped cocking handle like the Cobray gun, either. Actual MACs did appear previously on the show, so all that was what I supported my ID with. Won't write it in stone, though.
6) Makes sense, the flash-hiders threw me off though (They looked a bit like those on the DShKs, but not quite big enough).
- Thanks for all the help. I think I'll have a bit of a break before I start back up again with S6. I think if anything I'll start going through the existing stuff, trimming it a bit where possible, double-checking the cross-listing on the actor pages and getting on the crossings on the gun pages, too. And on it goes... StanTheMan (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2014 (EST)
Just finished up cross-listing the gun and actor pages with a couple exceptions, plan to get back into the saddle of screen-capping soon. Before that, though, as part of my trimming down and ironing-out process, I intend to tag some of your old images for deletion - Pretty much all the ones of yours that I'm going to tag are ones where we've gotten better versions (without updating the old image, apparently) so it seems prudent. I won't do it right away but soon, if you have a problem with that or anything please let me know. Thanks again for your help thus far. StanTheMan (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2014 (EST)

X-Files Part 3: Sunny California

Very well, I'll get those last couple images out of the way (a couple I'll hang onto for the meantime). Otherwise, back to business - Started capping stuff from S6 yesterday, already noticed a couple slight differences in weaponry from the LA move - M16A1s mocked up as A2s rather than the OAs or SP1 rifles and a Colt revolver (never seen those previously). Also, need to change the listing on my WIP S6 page - the Nazi boarders in Triangle all had Lugers rather than P38s. I'll hit a few more episodes before uploading caps and such. And on it goes... StanTheMan (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Oh yes, I knew there'd be some changes there for sure. Glad for the tips on potential armories supplying the show in LA. As I get into these latter seasons I'll check those references and see what looks good and all that. Don't know much myself, but again, I'll discover and learn more as I go. I figured your knowledge was a lock on the Vancouver shows where Felcan was involved but you might be a bit light on the LA seasons - It's all good though, I've been figuring out most of it as I go so this won't be any different for me. As always though, I'll appreciate any input you can give. IIRC, firearms were a bit more spread out in the latter seasons, my guess would probably be because of budget (moving to LA meant a big increase in the production costs of the show, among other things), but again, we'll see as I carry on. By the way, I'm curious - When you say you stopped watching the show, was that in the context of technically for this site's purposes or did you mean you actually ceased watching the series itself? StanTheMan (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2014 (EST)
I gotcha. I'm no hardcore fan but have seen it quite a bit now - I myself enjoy the whole show but will admit I have more mixed feelings about the latter half of the series. I started watching the show as a kid at the sixth season, so these later years hold some nostalgic presence there. Re-watching the whole show I found the later seasons definitely subpar to the earlier stuff, but much of it was still watchable for the most part - I myself liked Season 8 with Robert Patrick a good bit. But I agree overall quality of the show went down somewhat, and I agree with many that the tone changed from filming in LA, and not really for the better. I could say more but all-told, I get where you're coming from. While I like some portions of the series more than others, again, I more-or-less enjoy the whole show, which I guess makes me a good fit for going through it all again and documenting it. As for the guns, I know some stuff will be harder to nail down, but I'll figure it out as I've been doing. Was nice to have all your detailed input for the prior stuff but with or without, I'll manage. Good tip on the MK23 - If that's "Aqua Mala", I take it that would be one of the guns seen in the apartment of that one dude, correct? Well anyway, you're right, that piece was not common, well, anywhere at that time (certainly not in productions). I will keep an eye for it when I get to it, thanks. StanTheMan (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (EST)
Well, some of the carbines (at least one I saw) had a regular barrel and flash-hider rather than the XM/CAR-style, but that one was hard to cap.. The vast majority of them are fitted with mock XM flash-hiders though so I'll just consolidate the lot. I do agree that last one is actually a full-size rifle. I'll fix it up - Appreciate the look-over and assistance, as usual. StanTheMan (talk) 12:44, 26 November 2014 (EST)
Uploaded a new round of stuff, including the Mk23, got some decent grabs of it methinks. Got a couple of unIDs on the Talk page I could use a hand with when you get a free minute. Also, I noticed you don't have X-Files on your main page's TV contribs list. After all the help you've given me for these pages? For shame, sir! :P StanTheMan (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2014 (EST)

Virtuosity

Thanks for adding the weapons. Yeah, I might be changing them to HD in the future. --Ben41 (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2014 (EST)


Custom Assault Pistol

Yeah go ahead and change it to the correct information. --Ben41 (talk) 13:19, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Actually I'm sort of in the middle of changing some stuff on that gun page. I was gonna ask if it was really made for Timecop, among other things, since some of the info doesn't jive - The X-Files appears to be it's first ever appearance (pre-dating Timecop by almost a year) and them being made because of the 1994 Clinton ban doesn't sound right as Canada wouldn't be subject to it (though I know they had their own import and 'assualt weapons' bans in the 90s, though I forget the details right now). Anyway, could you let me put in a couple things and then you can spruce it up as you please? I like those names - I think they'll work as much an anything. StanTheMan (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Timecop was released in 1994, but was produced in 1993. It would make more sense that these weapons would be created for a high budget feature film instead of a first year television series. --Ben41 (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)

I was following the "Timecop Beretta" model for naming the weapon. Was there an instance of the long barreled version? All the versions on the site appear to be short barreled sometimes fitted with barrel shrouds. --Ben41 (talk) 13:40, 16 January 2015 (EST)
I think the appearances in X-Files and M.A.N.T.I.S., though notable as being the first appearances and well before the release of Timecop, were tangential - I'm with Ben that I too think they were most likely made specially for the film. Of course they could just be props to have, much like the MP5K mockups we've seen through X-Files, but I'm not too sure. Anyway, those first pre-film appearances are notable, as they should be, and I do intend to make note of them (The X-Files definitely, as we have more extensive pages on it, and was the second earliest ever appearance (the first being on the Highlander TV series - thanks, MT), and the first appearance we have on the site). The name, well, I don't mind either/or - I'm not too shot in the ass about it either way honestly. I'd rather the technical details correct more than anything. But I wouldn;t mind naming it something else, as it avoids the discrepancy about the earlier appearances entirely. Either way though. As for the 'long barrel' version, well the long shrouded versions look like they have an extended barrel under the shroud, but I'm not too certain. I would, if possible, like a way to differentiate between the long shrouded and short-shrouded/non-shrouded variants. StanTheMan (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2015 (EST)
Just edited the gun page with what I hope is more accurate info. I wanted to keep it in the vein of neutrality in regards to the productions - I think the description info works whether they were especially for Timecop or not. If I missed anything, go ahead and spruce it up. On the name issue I'm still good either way. StanTheMan (talk) 13:50, 16 January 2015 (EST)
It's possible that the "longer barrel" version is the same weapon with a newer longer shell built over the original in order to accommodate a carry strap and a newer longer shroud was placed over the original barrel. The screenshots from Crying Freeman and Smallville - Season 3 show the differences in more detail. --Ben41 (talk) 14:15, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Well, details about the two variants/versions of the gun aside (I think Ben may make a point, looking at the X-files caps, the shrouded gun doesn't seem to have the longer frame of that other gun, so perhaps it was a mod of the same weapon after the fact), sounds like we're pretty much of the same mind. I certainly see the benefits of renaming and don't see any downside (aside from changing the listings, but that's not such a big deal). Even if it's same gun, is clear there were several different variants, even if they were only slight mods of the one design. So I guess maybe should make names for the early version with shroud and without, and one for the newer modded/other variant as well. Anyway, if you can get all that going, I'm good to go. StanTheMan (talk) 14:24, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Interesting bit about the Cobra TV series, should make a note of that as well. In fact, though it's not of great quality, should try and see if you can rip some caps of of those clips - It would be nice to have an actual showing of what seems to be the first ever appearance of the gun. Also, on an unrelated note, might wanna consider archiving some of your talk page, would reduce of bit of scrolling on our part. ;) StanTheMan (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2015 (EST)

The Truth Is Out There (Hopefully in BC)

Heh, had a bit of fun with the title - All this X-Files watching has rubbed off me a bit (I've heard rumblings they may be bringing X-Files back in one form or another, that might be pretty awesome too). That is cool about the trip, hope it goes well and you are able to get some final details if you can on those custom SMG (among other things I would think). And also, thanks - Still got most of S9 to finish up (and the last run of cross-listings to go with it) but definitely on the final leg of this project at this point. This has been the most daunting project I've done to date here (And will probably be the most daunting one I'll ever do for quite a while), but I am happy to get a show that is so iconic and a favorite of many people (present company included of course) as well-documented on the site as I can. And to think how it was a year ago.. Bah! I should thank you in-turn though, as all of your background details (especially on the Vancouver-half of the show) have been enormously helpful in adding to the technical aspect of the pages and getting them as comprehensive as possible.

Also, after doing a bit of extra spelunking on the site, I'm pretty sure both Gibbons LTD and Hand Prop Room handled the firearms for the LA portion of the show - I know HPR had those modded Rugers along with a couple other things but the Kurt Russell film Soldier seems to be the first film to feature the H&K Mark 23 pistol (S6 of XF seems to be the first TV show to do so), and it seems Gibbons was behind that production, best I can tell. Several other more particular weapons from that film match up with ones in the series, namely the converted SPPs and AKU-94 bullpup seen along with the modded Mini-14 in S7. So I'm pretty sure both Gibbons and HPR had a hand in the show. There doesn't seem to be much in JAG that crosses, a couple things are of note - JAG featured a USP in its 2nd season (when they were still quite new) and XF had one in S6 (and I just capped another yesterday from S9), but I'm not sure if that's a concrete connection, of course. Main thing is some of the JAG pages don't seem to be too well-documented. Another thing is the different style and subject matter of the shows means they had no need to have the same weapons (not a lot of M16s, M60s and such appeared on the latter portion of the X-Files, sadly) and of course there is the practical consideration of doing both productions concurrently so that might have split some of the stuff they could've used.. Just some thoughts mainly. Anyway, once again, thanks for the kudos and hope the trip is a lock and all goes well. StanTheMan (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2015 (EST)

I'm not registered on the forum - I know, you'd think someone who's been around as long as me would have joined up but alas, no. I try to keep my internet checking and stuff as streamlined as possible (hell, I didn't even join Facebook 'til about a year ago) and while I maybe could contribute on the board, just never felt a strong enough urge to actually do so. I do check it anonymously from time to time in case something might be up (news about the site and such), but that's about it. That might change at some point, but right now, I'm fine with sticking with contributing on just the wiki itself. Sorry if this is an inconvenience on your part though. StanTheMan (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2015 (EST)
Way to give me an excuse - your message sounds most intriguing. Just made a request, should get signed up in short order. Probably looking at being on there tomorrow. StanTheMan (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2015 (EST)
Haven't gotten a reply for registration on the forum request page - If I try to register straight on the board it says it's disabled by admin. Basically it seems to me that you (or another admin) have to set me up an account. I never registered nor attempted to register any time prior on the forum, so it's not like I have a user that I can't get into, I'm totally fresh. StanTheMan (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2015 (EST)
Well you have to have an email as part of signing up on here, so that might be where bunni comes in - bunni can view the email addresses of users on here and use that to set up forum accounts and email us the details. Or so I assume, anyway. StanTheMan (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2015 (EST)
I used to be a fan of this phenomenal 90s show. If you make it to BC, please see if you get to the real identity of those unidentified guns. Or, in the words of the "Well-Manicured Man": "Find the truth in BC. Only then will you realize the true scope and grandeur of the project." --Mazryonh (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2015 (EST)

Well, to be frank I guess I could have had you PM me on FB or even send me an email directly -Still can actually, but that's up to you. I'd love to hear juicy details but I won't feel horrible if not. That said, good to have the skinny there on the KAC rifle - I wasn't ever sure if it was the real deal or a mockup, we've had semi-conflicting entries on these Vancouver-produced media pages so it's good to have some exact info here. I've been doing another go-through on the X-Files pages so I'll modify those listings accordingly in-addition. Can't wait to hear what other details will be revealed. StanTheMan (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2015 (EST)

I'm starting to go through listings for the KAC rifle entries we have listed and modify them accordingly. Probably won't be able to get them all this evening but should crack through most if not all of them over the next couple of days or so. StanTheMan (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Custom Machine Pistol

Okay, go ahead. --Ben41 (talk) 15:08, 2 February 2015 (EST)

Kewl! Good to have all of this stuff. I'll let you finish up the gun page(s) and see what you end up with - You can do it yourself of course if you're so inclined but if not I'll be happy to modify the listings on the X-Files S1 page accordingly once you're done (As well as with any other pages, if you need, of course). Again, awesome to have all this info, thanks for your sleuthing here. My condolences in regards to the fella who originally came up with these things, BTW - I wish his folks the best and am glad we got to enjoy seeing these pieces in several noted pieces of film and television (and documenting them accordingly, as well). StanTheMan (talk) 15:21, 2 February 2015 (EST)
Page looks real good, nice job. EDIT - Looks like you've handled all those entries on the respective media pages as well as the redirects and such, so I guess that makes my task easier, heh. If it's alright, I'm gonna just add a bit to those listings (essentially noting their appearance in BC productions and also noting the earliest appearances on the respective pages, as that's something we do with other listed firearms), but otherwise looks like you've done all the heavy lifting here. Again, well done. StanTheMan (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2015 (EST)

I Want To Be DONE

And with The X-Files I am.. But I'm not! Well sorta. First off, I never think you're totally done on these kinds of things.. That said, I have finished the main pages especially the images and all (despite having to go back and get an episode worth of screencaps because my old computer, which for months I've been waiting to get back online, and did for a couple weeks, took a total shit on me the other day and might be fried for good.. Bah). Anyway, need to do the second and final round of gun page cross listings/linkings, and a couple other things. I removed just about all the old data that was archived on the original talk page (though I locally backed up any significant pieces of listings/etc), got a couple extra images and stuff I might put on the talk page. Also, I've been toying with the idea of using the Infobox, I don't wanna use it on the main page (everytime I've tried it, it looks off, plus the TV Infobox doesn't work too well when you have films and such, etc), but I might put 'em on the individual season pages, ala NCIS and the like. But I thought I'd see what you think there. Either way, at least I've got the series pages more-or-less as complete as can be at this point, and I certainly am proud and happy about that. Not to be redundant, but I thank you again for all the help you've given on this. StanTheMan (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2015 (EST)

Ahem, was starting to go about setting up the Infobox templates as well as add filming/production categories per this previous yak here - In terms of both Categorizing and listing on the Infobox templates for the season pages, should it only be listed as Canadian Produced/Filmed for the first five seasons and combine USA/Canada for the rest (They were filmed in LA, but I believe Chris Carter's company 1013 Productions is Canadian, not certain though - maybe you could fill me in on that) and/or should USA be noted for all the pages (Per the FOX network, etc)? I'll ask a couple other folks but as you're fairly well-read on this show I'd really like your input on this. StanTheMan (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2015 (EST)
That's cool, I know other stuff happens (boy do I know that.. bah!), but appreciate the reply. It is indeed an awesome show, was glad to watch the whole thing proper and glad to go back through it for the site. Anyway, I agree about categorizing the first five seasons as such; that's what I figured would be best to do, anyway. Talking with Funkychinaman though, the Filmed/Produced Categories are meant to lean more to actual production rather than just filming location (And Ten Thirteen is actually USA-based, as I've found out), still, I think it will be okay to mark the first five seasons as Canadian (As well as the second film), as the filming location played a big part there. We'll see. Also, on FCM's advice, I'm planning on doing some writeups for the season pages - I got rough drafts for S1 and S2 already, with ideas to expound on for the other seasons (some of them be a bit dry, as there wasn't much going behind the scenes in some seasons). I fear they'll end up a bit long in some cases, but I'm looking forward to doing them and have to admit they will be a nice addition along with the Infoboxes.
Also, per your note on the MP5 mockups, that sounds pretty neat, hope you can get more info there too. It would be good to have some details on them, hopefully enough to maybe make a independent section on the MP5 page for them perhaps. Hope to hear more soon, thanks! StanTheMan (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2015 (EST)
Talking with FCM, it's a no-go at this point on using Canada produced categories. No big deal, I'll just note the Vancouver filming in the season writeups I'm preparing. That said, I just posted ones for the first two seasons on my newly-made Sandbox page. Let me know what you think when you can. StanTheMan (talk) 21:43, 16 February 2015 (EST)

Ellis NFA List

Do you still have a copy of the Ellis Props & Graphics NFA gun list from the Long Mountain Outfitters website? It's not available on the site or the Wayback Machine.--Quarax (talk) 19:16, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

X-Files Miniseries

I spotted that, and have heard other sources also citing it as 'Season 10' but I'm still not sure anything's totally concrete or completely definitive though. Production numbers can be iffy. There is an official X-Files comic-book series which is actually called "Season 10", however, which complicates matters a bit to me (of course that doesn't factor in the case of this site really, but still). All-told I'm just trying to skirt that issue entirely right now. I don't see using just the episode numbers themselves being a problem for the time being - We can always change it later. StanTheMan (talk) 15:42, 25 January 2016 (EST)

Bah, hard to tell sometimes - I don't like IDing Glocks.. I agree with ya though, and we happen to have 4th Gen Glocks out nowadays. Funny how that works. StanTheMan (talk) 02:24, 28 January 2016 (EST)
Well, looks like that little issue has now been resolved. Not much to my liking, but whatever - it is what it is. The show's pretty good and going well, whatever they care to call it. StanTheMan (talk) 02:43, 3 February 2016 (EST)

AR-15 page error

First time posting in talk, please be gentle... noticed the following comment in the description of the Colt 933 (RO933) (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/M16_rifle_series#Colt_Model_933): "This has led some people (including Airsoft manufacturers) to nickname it the "M4 Commando" or "M4 CQB", though these are not its official designations.". Actually, a simple visit to the official Colt website reveals that Colt does in fact refer to the 11.5" as the M4 Commando officially. (http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Law-Enforcement/Products/Colt-M4-Commando#97715-technical-specifications) Does it get more official than Colt advertising it as such? Could we maybe ditch the info provided by airsofters???--RealEveryDay (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2016 (EDT)

Fourth War

I will take care of the screenshots, but if there's any more weapons ID missing, you can add them. --Ben41 (talk) 03:51, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

Forum account recovery down

Hey, I'm trying to log into the forum but I got logged out and can't recover my account because the CAPTCHA is down. Any idea who I should message about that?--Mandolin (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2018 (EST)

The Stand Glock

It's me. The Stand was the first page I built back in 2009.I still visit it on a frequnet basis. I keep bouncing back and forth on whether it's a Glock 19 or 17. I grabbed my DVD and found the security guard shot. I see what you're saying. It is very likely a Glock 19. --Jcordell (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Sicario

Dont ask me about it, I didnt identify the Beretta. I was just fixing second person pronouns. Ask the Beretta identification questions on the movies talk page. --Wuzh (talk) 18:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

If nobody objects to your arguments, and you have good enough reference images to back up your arguments, you can always just edit the page; you do not need admin approval. --Wuzh (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

SP89/MP5K

Forgive me in advance, if my response comes off sounding like I'm in a bad mood and/or being sarcastic. I'm being curious, I was just browsing through and me, being more or less attentive to detail, I noticed the nomenclature "SP89" and I was like "what" and then I edited it. I'm over here thinking, so if the civilian versions of certain firearms fully converted, they turn into their actual select-fire variants? (i.e. SP89s into the MP5Ks, M4A1 Clones into M4A1s, MR556A1s into HK416s and etc.). Another thing that I've been very curious about since you brought this up, would you consider the SP89 used by Jason Statham & Paul Walker in Furious 7 partially converted or fully converted since it had the SEF Trigger and the PDW Stock, but no Paddle Mag Release? I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this info, I feel less confused about this. I like the fact that they (the motion picture armories) go to great lengths of making their civilian variant guns into looking like the actual Military/LE weapons, since I'm a gun nut, I like to pay attention to detail to the weapons in movies & TV shows and I also want to make some of my guns look like the screen-used weapons in the vast majority of films/TV programs in the near future, just wanted to put that out there. I'mallaboutguns.1 (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Norinco

On point 1: I need a source on that claim about Norinco vs Poly Technologies wood. Additionally, even if you can prove that it was a Norinco-exported Type 56, calling it a "Norinco Type 56" is still a misnomer; it misleads the users into believing that it was manufactured by Norinco/Norinco Group. Habits and traditions are no excuse for misinformation.

On point 2: Yes, I am fully prepared to edit out "Norinco" on every single page. Not just the Type 56s, but also the QBZ-95s and the QBU-88s. --Wuzh (talk) 01:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I want you to be aware of that the main issue I take with the "Norinco" prefix is not because "some of the guns are Poly Tech", but rather that these rifles were never manufactured by Norinco or Poly Tech; Norinco and Poly Technologies are marketing companies, a.k.a. exporters, that export Type 56s manufactured by Chinese state factories. I have Chinese sources saying that Norinco had no manufacturing capability whatsoever. --Wuzh (talk) 22:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

These are some really good observations. I think that right now, while we are in agreement that the Type 56 probably shouldn't be prefixed with "Norinco", your argument that it is OK for gun names to be prefixed with their branded companies even if they aren't their manufacturers (the BCM vs Vltor situation) has merit. Hell, I myself haven't fully committed to the "total Norinco purge" because I chose to replace the Norinco prefix with a "Norinco-branded" note in the captions of guns like the (Norinco?) Type 86S.

I'm not sure where exactly to go from here to resolve this "branding company vs manufacturing company" issue of gun nomenclature. I'm thinking maybe I should discuss with some firearm history experts and look into how other websites (e.g. Wikipedia) deal with these kinds of firearm nomenclature issues. My plan is that eventually, we should be able to develop a rigorous set of gun naming rules to determine if a gun's name should or shouldn't be prefixed with a company name, and if a "branding-only" company name is OK as a prefix. --Wuzh (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Did something change in how we title movies?

I've noticed several NON ADMIN members or new members changing the titling of films by moving "the" from the end of the title to the beginning. This affects how the films are sorted in the alphabetical sorting. Most film directories remove "the" from titles and move it to the back of the name, so that we don't have a huge grouping of movies sorted under the letter "T". I'm seeing more and more members (whom I don't know that well) making these changes. Has our sorting protocol officially changed? Thanks. best MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 19:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

This page move was a project I have been planning after I was promoted to the Administrator position last year by site owner bunni. With the agreement of other site admins (including Bunni) on the IMFDB discord, we changed IMFDB's rules (see Style Guide) on titles that begin with "The"; instead of physically moving the titles to have "The" placed at their ends, we instead make use of a MediaWiki feature, the DEFAULTSORT magic word (see MediaWiki documentation), to fix their sortings. This way, the pages will be able to keep their actual real life titles (with "The" at the front), which makes wiki editing and other back end management easier. --Wuzh (talk) 19:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your input. I'm not sure how the title change helps, but I cringe at seeing THOUSANDS of titles sorted in the "T" section purely because they had the letter "T" in the title. If anything, the people that I know tend to eliminate the word "The" when they search. So things like The Bourne Identity don't end up in the letter "T" section because of the "the" section. Everyone I know looks at "B". Too many movies don't have the "the" and most folks don't remember if it does or not. I certainly do not support putting title starting with "the" in the "T" section of the table of contents, but that's just my opinion. Ultimately those decisions are up to the mods who do day to day maintenance. I'll just add small stuff, if motivated to do so, in the future and not worry about the organization of the site. :) Thanks for your reply. The Alex Baldwin debacle has pretty much destroyed the industry. Too many films are so afraid of guns that they either write them out of the scripts or demand only Airsoft weapons. Also the new 'armorer' certification laws will drive many out of the field anyways. Good to know you're still alive and kicking. Within a decade, I'll be out of CA. A lot of the other guys are looking at exiting the industry. In 10 years the entire movie industry will be completely different, or ALL action, weapons related films will be shot outside of the USA. best MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 03:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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