Talk:Firefly: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Firefly: Difference between revisions
::::Wait, it just dawned on me that the middle gun below isn't a grenade launcher, it's #3 with a suppressor. You can also make out #1 behind it next to Vera. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:30, 12 November 2013 (EST)
::::Wait, it just dawned on me that the middle gun below isn't a grenade launcher, it's #3 with a suppressor. You can also make out #1 behind it next to Vera. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:30, 12 November 2013 (EST)
:My guess is that this image is actually the other way round, with the one by the window being #1 (unknown) whilst the one in the background is #3 (HK770). If you compare it to the first image you will see that the near rifle is the same sort of relative length as #1, whilst the one next to Vera is a full length rifle like the custom HK770. This is just a guess though as I can't really make either of them out particularly well, will watch this episode when I get home (I have the blurays but can't cap them) and see if it appears in any other shots. to get a better idea --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:43, 12 November 2013 (EST)
::I'll watch it again as well. Like in the topic above, I actually thought the one by the window was a grenade launcher before I realized it was a long suppressor, like the one from ''Burn Notice''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:49, 12 November 2013 (EST)
:::Unfortunately the only shot showing the suppressor on the Burn notice page is from the front so it is hard to judge the length, but the one leaning against the window looks like a longer suppressor to me. Also if you compare the relative length of the rifle to the Winchester next to it, it looks too short to be in a Choate stock like the HK770. My guess is that it has a folding or retractable stock of some sort for the front of the handguard to be level with the front of the Winchester's receiver like that.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:13, 12 November 2013 (EST)
I think it's two HK770s. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:46, 12 November 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Firefly_0113_sniper_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The full length of #3. Note the long suppressor. I think this is the rifle from ''Burn Notice''. I don't think Jayne ever touches this rifle.]]
[[Image:Firefly_0113_sniper_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An earlier shot of the bed arsenal, during the preparation montage. This is right before the camera cuts to Zoe loading her Marlin 1895. Notice Jayne in the background with #1. We get a nice shot of the magazine of #1. He sets it down next to him before we get the shot of the bed arsenal above.]]
:I still think it is something else, or if it is an HK770 it is in a different stock, for two reasons. Firstly the handguard on the rifle that jayne has during the preparation montage is too long for the Choate one that is seen on the other HK770, and it has the narrower triangular profile that can be seen in other shots. Secondly, the length of it leaning against the wall is still bugging me. Both the one on the bed and the one against the window are convenient against the same Winchester 1300 so comparing the lengths is easy. On the window one not only is it overall shorter than the Winchester, but the front of the handguard is about level with the back of the pump. With the bed HK770, it is overall much longer than the Winchester and the handguard is probably further forward by about twice the length of the Winchester's pump. The Choate stock on the custom HK770 is fixed, so either the Winchester is on a box, the HK770 is in a hole, or it is a different shorter gun or one with a folding stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:22, 12 November 2013 (EST)
::Now that I have watched it, #1 does look very similar to the other HK770. However there are a couple of things that still make me doubt it very slightly, at least in some of the images. First is that in the shot of Jayne cocking it, the handguard still looks too long and there are no vent holes on the side of it that I can see, however as it is not in focus it is hard to tell for sure. Secondly, the length thing is still really bugging me. It would also help if they didn't keep changing around whether the guns have suppressors or not as it is hard to keep track of which one he is meant to be using. If they were the same gun it would seem strange to me, because as far as I can tell this is a one off custom gun, and yet there are two of them. Not just that two exist, but there are two in the same scene where there is not a single other gun that is a duplicate., It would just be a really odd choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:35, 12 November 2013 (EST)
:::I watched the scenes again a few times, and there's nothing really more I can add. I think there is a hole or something in the floor though, because you can almost make out the magazine. Rewatch the scene were Jayne is talking dirty and Mal calls him on it over the comms. When Jayne springs up, he grabs the nickel-plated Winchester 1300, and you can almost make out where the magazine in the rifle should be. I can't get a good cap of it. #1 is definitely the only gun that Jayne handles. He handles it during the montage, and he puts it down right after Book tells the whores that no one is going to die. I agree, HK770s appear to be rather obscure in the US, and that two of them were customized in a similar fashion AND appear in the same scene is odd. I also find it odd that they don't appear anywhere else on IMFDB other than in ''Burn Notice'', especially if there are two of them floating around in movie armories. I've checked the other Savage 10FPs in Choate stocks that are listed, and they appear to be the real thing. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:04, 12 November 2013 (EST)
::::I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a [http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-detail.asp?family=012C&offset=12&mid=512100 Camp Defender] variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)
:::::Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in ''Burn Notice''. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from ''The One'' showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)
::::::As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)
:As for the shotgun, it looks like the same gun showed up in ''[[V.I.P.]]'' and ''[[Chuck - Season 4]]''. It's listed as a Winchester 1200, however. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:50, 14 November 2013 (EST)
==Renington 1858==
That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. [[User:Mark in tx|Mark in tx]] ([[User talk:Mark in tx|talk]]) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
:Maybe [http://www.ammoland.com/2009/06/colt-model-1861-navy-revolver-compact/#axzz2kXlXekTi this] is it? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:27, 13 November 2013 (EST)
::I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
:::I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
::::I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [http://www.therpf.com/f9/firefly-zoe-s-backup-pistol-10552/] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)
:::::Alright, sure. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:34, 23 November 2013 (EST)
== Final stats ==
Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)
== CAR-15 ==
It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
: I concur, barrel looks a bit fat to me, and I agree entirely about the C-More sight - indeed looks like it's on a removable carry handle upper which would rule out an actual CAR. Certainly have been 933s mocked up as older XM carbines around, ''[[X-Men: First Class]]'' comes to mind. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:55, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
== Shopkeeper ==
Feel free to shoot me down on this if I'm off here, but the pic of the Colt Shopkeeper looks closer to a 3-inch Single Action Army to me. Maybe I'm missing a detail, but the size of the cylinder and the position of the trigger don't scream Shopkeeper to me.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 22:45, 16 April 2019 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
The federal officers that arrest Jayne, Simon and River in "Ariel" (S01E09) are armed with sonic stun guns (?). I figure I'd throw them in for the sake of completion. Any ideas as to what they're made from? --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
I just got the entire season and I'll be working on this in the next week or so Excalibur01 09:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Anyone else notice that the "Ambulance shutle" in Ariel is.. An Mi-24 HIND?
Those were the fiberglass HIND drones that a defense company made in Florida with the intention of selling them or leasing them to the Dept of Defense for training purposes. They were RC controlled FULL SIZED drones of the HIND-D model. They were awesome, but the sudden END of the Cold War eliminated the DOD's interest in them as training tools. The Company went under and a few of the fiberglass models were purchased by Movie Props houses. There was an article in Soldier of Fortune about these very same fake Hind replicas. MoviePropMaster2008 15:38, 19 May 2012 (CDT)
ZOE “Preacher, don't the Bible got some pretty specific things to say about killing?”
BOOK “Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.”
Rex095
L85s?
Is it actually possible to tell if the Alliance rifles are A1 or A2 models? Because I seem to recall that the ones in "The Train Job" had no charging handle at all, which is usually the easiest wat to tell the two apart. The Wierd It 21:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
It's possible those could be Airsoft replicas. Excalibur01 14:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Whilst it's more than likely that these L85s are Airsoft replicas, there are ways to tell apart A1 and the orrigional A2s (The A2 has since had 2 futher upgrades and is going through another)
The mag-release catch on A2s has a metal cover around it. The safety is more prominant on the A2, and the trigger has a slight re-design.
However - due to the date the show was made - these are A1s. No-one made airsoft A2s at this point, because the British armed forces were only just getting the real things back from H&K. User:195.93.21.8
Janes Shotgun
Why is Jaynes shotgun somewhat famous? Am i being a moron cus i dont know what else it is from? Im on about the Ithica.--Captain Snikt 03:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Unknown Revolver
Anyone know what the revolver on the right of this picture is? It appears to be break-open, and the barrel doesn't seem angular enough to be a Webley or Enfield. A Schofield of some type maybe? I'm not too good with revolvers.
It's large, so I would say Webley Mk VI MoviePropMaster2008 18:44, 19 May 2012 (CDT)
Mals gun
Mals gun is call a "Moses Brothers Self-Defense Engine Frontier Model B" in-universe. Also i Think that name is a mouthfull
That name was given to the gun after the movie by the now defunct prop company that created a licensed replica. QMX. The prop handlers who built the gun called it the oil can gun.
QMX is still trading.
Just changed the image on the page from the Serenity gun back to the firefly version.
Para-Ordnance P-10
I removed this one entirely and moved the pics to the Colt Mustang section, no offense intended to anyone, because the weapon is clearly the Mustang. --Charon68 23:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank You. (I got tripped up because the article's reference photo shows the 'Government 380 ACP' w/caption 'Colt Mustang 380 ACP'). JimK
I keep seeing this attribution, but I don't think it's accurate. I've seen ABC fairly recently, and can't recall Lord Bowler carrying anything other than an SAA and his preferred weapon, a pistolized side-by-side shotgun. The only mare's leg I remember seeing was used by the female bounty hunter, Crystal Hawks, in the episode of the same name.
I've been watching the episodes recently to try and find where the Mare's Leg was used and Lord Bowler only used the sawed off shotgun as his preferred weapon. --Ben41 02:25, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
SMG used in "Out of Gas"
It isn't an MP40. It's a Belgian Vigneron M2. The longer barrel, front sight, and wire stock by the ejection port give it away. All it takes is just a few more minutes of research... Cozmo 14:47, 18 March 2011 (CDT)
AC556
One of the robbers at the beginning of the episode "Our Mrs. Reynolds" has a Ruger AC556. He strafes the front of the wagon that Mal and Jayne are driving, while disguised as villagers. Don't have the DVD so I can't cap it. MoviePropMaster2008 04:40, 24 October 2011 (CDT)
You mean this one? I'm horrible at this wiki stuff, so I won't make an ass of myself by attempting to add it to the page. The Kaptain 22:49, 24 October 2011 (CDT)
Not sure about that, bushing looks wrong for a .45 S&W, either 2nd or 3rd gen. Also the sights are not the adjustable S&W ones, and look like they are too far back for fixed ones. The slide markings with what looks like that round logo are wrong for a S&W, and the slide is also too long for a stock 4506. Although it looks like there is a slide safety, I think that may be an optical illusion as there also appears to be a 1911 style frame safety. My guess is some kind of AMT, but not sure. --commando552 (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2013 (EDT)
More unknowns
It bothers me a bit that I've only seen one episode and yet I still came across three undocumented guns (these two plus the S&W 629 PC.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Jayne's revolver is his LeMat revolver that he uses throughout the series. And the gun on top appears to be a double-barrel shotgun. --Mormonpowerranger521 2:19, 1 June 2013 (MST)
It looks a bit short to be a S&W 629 PC. And it looks a lot shorter than Jayne's LeMat. Thanks for the carbine ID. I knew it looked familiar. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:29, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
I can't really tell the length as it is pretty much head on. I was going by how the front of it looks with that open chamber underneath the barrel to the other pic of the 629 PC, and to me they looked similar. However, on looking at it on a petter computer screen, I think it may be the LeMat as well. It looks like it has a large unfluted cylinder with more chambers than a typical 6 round revolver, and I also think I can see that rib they have put over the barrel. Triger guard also looks like a match for the LeMat. Also, I know that IMDB lists the episodes in this order, but I think we should list them in the intended order rather than the bastardised FOX one. Firstly, the FOX order that IMDB uses makes no sense, with episodes being shuffled around all over the place. I'm gonna guess that 99% of people who have seen Firefly have seen it in DVD form rather than when it originally aired, so I think we should use the real order that is on the DVDs (how it is listed on Wikipedia). Or do VOD providers use the original FOX order as well? Because if so that is ridiculous. --commando552 (talk) 06:33, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Yes, I struggled with that too. The discs don't bother reshuffling episodes, they just have them in air order. As for the pistol, I'll just keep an eye out. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:08, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Are you capping it from a bluray with the episodes in the aired by FOX order then? That surprises me, my British Bluray has them in the intended order, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. --commando552 (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
It's the Region A Blu-Rays. I'll check again. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Looks like you're right. Whoops. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2013 (EDT)
Ruger MkIII, Jericho 941 w/ a stainless finish, some FABARM shotgun, I think that the closest handgun is a Springfield XD, one of his many shotguns is a Winchester 1300.
The farthest gun, based on the muzzle break thing looks like VERA to me. The closest gun, to me, looks like a Ruger semi-auto. A p-89 maybe. I also see a Ithaca stakeout with a pistol grip in there.
My guess on these closest to farthest is a Browning BDA, two tone Jericho 941, Ruger Mk III, FABARM FP6, Mossberg 590 mariner with a top folding stockm Winchester 1200/1300, the Savage in the Choate stock, Vera, and then I guess the one against the wall is the Ithaca he uses. Where do you see the stakeout? --commando552 (talk) 05:12, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Wildey Magnum, a Mossberg Persuader of some sort, A Blaser R93, 37mm Tru-Flite Police Tear Gas Gun appears again in the centre, I think I see a Smith and Wesson 629 Performance Center model,
I don't think that is a Blaser, I think it is a Ruger 10/22 in a custom stock (a "Zero Shark" I think). There is also the Goncz pistol and carbine in there, along with a Magnum Research Lone Eagle (the kind with no handguard) that is fitted with some kind of boxy barrel shroud. I think the bottom pistol that is mostly cut off could be a Smith & Wesson 4563, but not sure. --commando552 (talk) 05:35, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
On second look, I don't think that is the Goncz pistol seen in another episode, but rather a Claridge Hi-Tec with a non-finned muzzle extension. --commando552 (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
In the heart of gold episode I believe I saw one of the brothel wielding a Winchester 100 for a brief second when they fired there first volley can anyone id?--Balin21 (talk) 05:19, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
I was wrong its not a Winchester 100 its some sort of shotgun can anyone ID?--Balin21 (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm almost halfway through. I'll get a BD screenshot in a week or two. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Okay thanks I'm just trying to help.--Balin21 (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Is hard to tell with that lighting, but from the rounded back to the ejection port and the shape of the trigger guard, I would guess that it is an 870.--commando552 (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Unknowns from "Bushwhacked."
I found two unknowns in "Bushwhacked" (S01E03). --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Jayne loads an unknown revolver before he and Simon go aboard the derelict. It's not his LeMat, since there's a swing-open cylinder. Rossi Model 971?
Commander Harken's (Doug Savant) two-tone Beretta turns into another pistol in a continuity error. At first I thought it was a Jericho 941, but the barrel looks wrong.
is that Magnum Research Lone Eagle with a cosmetic barrel shorud.
is a modern derringer repro, my guess is an American Derringer Model 1
is a Tru Flite
is a LaserAim Series III
is a SAA "Quick-Draw"
is an AKMSU (I think, looks like the mag is too curved for a 5.45x39mm)
is a COP 357 Derringer
Also, did you spot the Sterling with the forward pistol pistol grip on the far right? You can just make out the magazine well and pistol grip to the right of the SAA. --commando552 (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
The LaserAim looks like a stunt prop. I thought it might be a Sterling too, but this was the best shot I could get. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:27, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Ugh
Really, they couldn't hire ONE Mandarin dialect coach? This is painful. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
Yeah, the throwaway "foreign" language lines in most tv/films are agonizingly bad. Phonetics and basic grammar are only part of the equation, inflection is super important. The few lines of Russian in Boondock Saints were torture to hear. I imagine with a tonal language the potential for messing up is exponentially greater. --Ruzhyo (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
A lot of it is just single words too, not whole sentences. Like in "Shindig," where both Inara and her date say "gou shi," (literally, "dog shit") and they both mangle it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:48, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
I remember hearing Joss Whedon talk about it once saying they just did straight word replacement from a dictionary rather than actually getting in a Chinese speaking person. However, he then said that it could kind of be justified as in real life it would just be the bastardised versions of swear words and phrases that might be picked up by people and transformed over time. --commando552 (talk) 17:58, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
The odd thing is, the Chinese life support warning in "Out of Gas" sounds like it's Cantonese. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2013 (EDT)
Unknown from "Jaynestown"
Jayne is seen taping some sort of pistol to his abdomen in "Jaynestown." It's got a grip like a revolver, but that's about it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I have seen replicas of this particular gun in the past, and it is supposedly an all plastic "Holdout" pistol suggesting it is a totally fabricated prop rather than having a gun underneath. Here is a picture of it. TBH, it seems odd that they went to the effort of fabricating a weapon for the second of screentime it got when it just as easily could have been any other sub-compact pistol, so my guess is that it may have been a pre-existing prop that they just appropriated. Also, I think the grips are Pachmayr ones for a J-frame S&W. --commando552 (talk) 18:19, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I have grips like that for my faux-DS. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:33, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I think they use basically the same grip of r few different guns, but from searching I think these specific ones were for a small frame Rossi. --commando552 (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
Do you know if it shows up again in the remaining episodes? If it does, we might as well wait until it shows up again and I can get a better shot of it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I think it is only in Jaynestown, and specifically only in this scene. I think a similar pistol may be used by Jubal Early in "Objects in Space", but am not sure as haven't seen these in a while. --commando552 (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
I'm 99% that those bullpup Mini-14s with the foregrip and scope were originally used in the the 1995 Tank Girl movie staring Lori Petty. They were the standard rifle for the Water and Power troops--Mandolin (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2013 (EDT)
Uniform trivia
In the pilot, the Alliance troops are wearing German stahlhelms. It appears they didn't get their hands on those surplus Starship Troopers uniforms until the second pilot. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
One of Niska's henchmen from "War Stories" is armed with an unknown shotgun. I can't even tell if it's supposed to be a pump or an automatic. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Based on the sharp corner at the rear of the receiver and the perforated heat shield around the barrel I would guess it is the same FABARM that is in Jayne's collection. --commando552 (talk) 16:59, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Oh, there it is. I hadn't come across that episode yet. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:11, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Table of grenades
I THINK the black ones are M67s. I think there are M18s in there as well. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2013 (EST)
There are two pairs of Sting-Ball type grenades on the table (possibly another in the top left but too shadowy), the ones that have the spherical body with the black band with white writing around the middle. I think the one on the right is a CTS Sting-Ball, but the others have the fuse attaching with a metal collar and lack the honeycomb part around it so they are something else, possibly Han-Ball CS grenades. --commando552 (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Oh, I had assumed they were just M67s. They're used as frags in the episode. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)
Or someone familiar with Chinese cuisine, I guess. The can of beans that Tracey eats in the flashback at the beginning of "The Message" appears to be bean sauce. My mom uses it to make zhajianmiang. It's not something you'd want to eat out of the can. If you want to try anyway, this brand should be available in most Asian grocery stores. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:33, 8 November 2013 (EST)
I don't think Jayne's sniper rifle in "Heart of Gold" is a Savage 10FP in a Choate stock. Look at the third image, and how far ahead of the trigger the magazine is. I think this is some sort of semi-automatic rifle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2013 (EST)
Fendris (Tod Nakamura), one of Womack's men, is armed with what appears to be a custom M1911 in "The Message." Is there a name for this model, or should I just call it a "Custom M1911?" --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2013 (EST)
Jayne has what appears to be some sort of grenade launcher in his arsenal in "Heart of Gold." I don't think it's the TruFlite flare launcher he had in the pilot. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:13, 9 November 2013 (EST)
Any ideas for #9 on the first one and #3 on the third one? Apologies for the small size of the numbers, I didn't take into account how large the image was. If you look at the full sized image they show up fine. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Regarding the third image, have we been assuming that #1 and #3 are the same gun? It's entirely possible that they used two different guns, since one of them is only seen in the exterior shot. #3 appears to have the folding cocking handle of the HK770. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:54, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Number isn't the HK770, #3 is. If you look at the first image you can see the folding HK770 charging handle on the right side of #3 so that is deffinite, whereas #1 is deffinitely not in the same Choate stock so if it is an HK770, it is an entirely different custom one. I think the custom HK770 has a slip over suppressor that can be seen on the burn notice page, but is absent in the shot where it is aiming out the window, however the fluted barrel shroud over the rear half of the barrel is still there. It looks like the suppressor is fitted when it is laying on the bed though. Not sure what #1 is, from the triangular shape of the handguard I was originally thinking a PSG-1, however the barrel axis is too high leaving no room for the cocking tube. As for #9, my guess is a Browning BDA but not sure about that one. --commando552 (talk) 15:52, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Number 1 looks a lot like the second image above, where the muzzle is poking out of the window. As for #9 on the bed, I noticed that nearly all of the guns had shown up in earlier episodes, so I assumed it was the BHP from "Out of Gas." As for the #9 I was referring to, see below: --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Number 9 on the bed isn't a Hi-Power, as it has a hooked trigger guard. Not sure about #9 on the wall above though, all I can really make out are the accessories and not the gun itself. As for the rifles, #1 and #3 are definitely different, with the one aiming out the window being #3. With the muzzle out the window shot you can see that it has the open topped Choate stock, rather than #1 which has that closed triangular handguard. --commando552 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Wait, it just dawned on me that the middle gun below isn't a grenade launcher, it's #3 with a suppressor. You can also make out #1 behind it next to Vera. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2013 (EST)
My guess is that this image is actually the other way round, with the one by the window being #1 (unknown) whilst the one in the background is #3 (HK770). If you compare it to the first image you will see that the near rifle is the same sort of relative length as #1, whilst the one next to Vera is a full length rifle like the custom HK770. This is just a guess though as I can't really make either of them out particularly well, will watch this episode when I get home (I have the blurays but can't cap them) and see if it appears in any other shots. to get a better idea --commando552 (talk) 16:43, 12 November 2013 (EST)
I'll watch it again as well. Like in the topic above, I actually thought the one by the window was a grenade launcher before I realized it was a long suppressor, like the one from Burn Notice. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:49, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Unfortunately the only shot showing the suppressor on the Burn notice page is from the front so it is hard to judge the length, but the one leaning against the window looks like a longer suppressor to me. Also if you compare the relative length of the rifle to the Winchester next to it, it looks too short to be in a Choate stock like the HK770. My guess is that it has a folding or retractable stock of some sort for the front of the handguard to be level with the front of the Winchester's receiver like that.--commando552 (talk) 17:13, 12 November 2013 (EST)
I think it's two HK770s. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:46, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Error creating thumbnail: File missingThe full length of #3. Note the long suppressor. I think this is the rifle from Burn Notice. I don't think Jayne ever touches this rifle.Error creating thumbnail: File missingAn earlier shot of the bed arsenal, during the preparation montage. This is right before the camera cuts to Zoe loading her Marlin 1895. Notice Jayne in the background with #1. We get a nice shot of the magazine of #1. He sets it down next to him before we get the shot of the bed arsenal above.
I still think it is something else, or if it is an HK770 it is in a different stock, for two reasons. Firstly the handguard on the rifle that jayne has during the preparation montage is too long for the Choate one that is seen on the other HK770, and it has the narrower triangular profile that can be seen in other shots. Secondly, the length of it leaning against the wall is still bugging me. Both the one on the bed and the one against the window are convenient against the same Winchester 1300 so comparing the lengths is easy. On the window one not only is it overall shorter than the Winchester, but the front of the handguard is about level with the back of the pump. With the bed HK770, it is overall much longer than the Winchester and the handguard is probably further forward by about twice the length of the Winchester's pump. The Choate stock on the custom HK770 is fixed, so either the Winchester is on a box, the HK770 is in a hole, or it is a different shorter gun or one with a folding stock. --commando552 (talk) 18:22, 12 November 2013 (EST)
Now that I have watched it, #1 does look very similar to the other HK770. However there are a couple of things that still make me doubt it very slightly, at least in some of the images. First is that in the shot of Jayne cocking it, the handguard still looks too long and there are no vent holes on the side of it that I can see, however as it is not in focus it is hard to tell for sure. Secondly, the length thing is still really bugging me. It would also help if they didn't keep changing around whether the guns have suppressors or not as it is hard to keep track of which one he is meant to be using. If they were the same gun it would seem strange to me, because as far as I can tell this is a one off custom gun, and yet there are two of them. Not just that two exist, but there are two in the same scene where there is not a single other gun that is a duplicate., It would just be a really odd choice. --commando552 (talk) 20:35, 12 November 2013 (EST)
I watched the scenes again a few times, and there's nothing really more I can add. I think there is a hole or something in the floor though, because you can almost make out the magazine. Rewatch the scene were Jayne is talking dirty and Mal calls him on it over the comms. When Jayne springs up, he grabs the nickel-plated Winchester 1300, and you can almost make out where the magazine in the rifle should be. I can't get a good cap of it. #1 is definitely the only gun that Jayne handles. He handles it during the montage, and he puts it down right after Book tells the whores that no one is going to die. I agree, HK770s appear to be rather obscure in the US, and that two of them were customized in a similar fashion AND appear in the same scene is odd. I also find it odd that they don't appear anywhere else on IMFDB other than in Burn Notice, especially if there are two of them floating around in movie armories. I've checked the other Savage 10FPs in Choate stocks that are listed, and they appear to be the real thing. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:04, 12 November 2013 (EST)
I think it might be that the Winchester is actually sitting on a box or something which is throwing off my perception of the length, as I think they may have wanted it a bit higher as he picks it up and puts it down so would need to be properly in frame. When Jayne picks up the Winchester I can't make out any sort of mag well, only the folded bipod although I am only watching it one TV so can't do any kind of brightness/contrast tweaking to get a better view. Speaking of the Winchester, I noticed that it has rifle sights and coupled with the fact that he barrel is longer than the mag tube I think it is probably a Camp Defender variant specifically. It seems odd that the custom HK770 actually reappears in anything to me, as I seem to remember hearing that all of the weapons used in firefly were privately sold off so they wouldn't be in the hands of a prop company any more, but might be getting that wrong as I can't find anything from searching about that. --commando552 (talk) 18:39, 13 November 2013 (EST)
Well, we know one of the HK770s was still in rotation until recently if it showed up in Burn Notice. I can't find it in anything made before 2002 either. The AT380 from The One showed up in "Trash," but the HK770 wasn't in that film either. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2013 (EST)
As for the Winchester, I don't think it's propped up. You can see Jayne sitting in one of the shots, and the window sill goes up over waist level. Since his knees appear to be bent at a right angle, you figure that he's about 15-18 inches off the ground. (Then again, I suppose his feet could be propped up as well.) --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:56, 13 November 2013 (EST)
As for the shotgun, it looks like the same gun showed up in V.I.P. and Chuck - Season 4. It's listed as a Winchester 1200, however. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:50, 14 November 2013 (EST)
Renington 1858
That is not a Remington 1858. There is no top strap. That is a Colt. Either a Colt 1860 or an 1861 Army. Mark in tx (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2013 (EST)
I think it might actually be a pocket version of the 1860, or a chopped one if that doesn't exist, as I think you can see that there is a step in the cylinder where it is wider at the front, which is feature of the 1860 but not the 1861. You can also see the corresponding step on the frame along the bottom of the cylinder to accommodate this. Also, I think this is a conversion rather than a factory gun as you can see that it has the protruding frame screw which is used to mount a shoulder stock, and I doubt this would have been on a factory pocket pistol. --commando552 (talk) 19:07, 13 November 2013 (EST)
I was thinking it might be chopped, since I can't see a front sight, but the area under the barrel where the loading lever would be is solid. If it were chopped, I'd think we'd still see the loading lever, or at least an empty area where the loading lever used to be. The 1849 Pocket doesn't have the loading lever, but the barrel is octagonal. --Funkychinaman (talk) 22:33, 13 November 2013 (EST)
I think that "screen used" prop is actually a fan repro. First off, doing an image search on it brings up that it was made by someobody on RPF called "Sundowner", and secondly the diamond on the frame suggests it is a non-firing Denix replica. Also, just to add that this replica is an 1860 not an 1861, which is what people seem to build these off of further suggesting it is not an 1861 variant. True there is no hole in the frame for the loading rod, but if amateur replica prop makers can fill this in convincingly I assume the gunsmiths for the show can. While searching I also found [1] where somebody states "I can tell you for a fact the SU prop is a cut down 1860 Army Colt. I've chatted with the owner and got to hold it", so I still think it is a chopped 1860 rather than a Pocket 1861. --commando552 (talk) 13:27, 23 November 2013 (EST)
Fourteen episodes, 1,639 image files (images actually used, PNGs, spares) totaling 2.67 GB. Great show though, I can see why everyone is so crazy about it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 11:34, 19 November 2013 (EST)
CAR-15
It has what appears to be a C-More reflex sight the receiver which is too low to be mounted on the carry handle and the barrel is too thick to be A1 profile. Maybe a Colt 933 with a CAR-15 style muzzle brake? Spartan198 (talk) 22:01, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
I concur, barrel looks a bit fat to me, and I agree entirely about the C-More sight - indeed looks like it's on a removable carry handle upper which would rule out an actual CAR. Certainly have been 933s mocked up as older XM carbines around, X-Men: First Class comes to mind. StanTheMan (talk) 01:55, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
Shopkeeper
Feel free to shoot me down on this if I'm off here, but the pic of the Colt Shopkeeper looks closer to a 3-inch Single Action Army to me. Maybe I'm missing a detail, but the size of the cylinder and the position of the trigger don't scream Shopkeeper to me.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2019 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
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