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While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh.
[[Image:Beretta 70.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 70 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Skyfall 20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a [[Beretta Model 70|Beretta 70]] strapped to her thigh. She responds by saying you can never be sure with handsome men carrying Walthers.]]
=Additional Images=
==Production Images==
[[File:Skyfall-eve-ppk.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Promotional image of Eve holding a Walther PPK/S.]]
[[File:Skyfall-raoul-silva.jpeg|thumb|300px|none|Promotional image of Raoul Silva holding a Steyr M9A1.]]
[[Image:SkyFall-Tower-Chase-Bond-PPK.jpg|400px|thumb|none|A picture from the set, showing James Bond during a foot chase at Tower Hill.]]
[[Image:Skyfall Glock17 CO19.jpg|thumb|none|200px|An SCO19 police officer has a [[Glock 17]] in his thigh holster (circled in red).]]
[[Image:B23-03359-r-jpg_221011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Bond wielding the PPK in a shootout.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-20120411105930324_640w.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Production image of Gareth Mallory ([[Ralph Fiennes]]) as he picks up a Glock 17.]]
[[File:Skyfall-kincade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Production image of Kincade holding his Model 1878.]]
[[Image:SkyfallPPK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Promotional image of James Bond ([[Daniel Craig]]) as he holds the Walther PPK/S in Shanghai. One might wonder why his palm print gun would still work with his gloves on, but in the film he doesn't actually wear them while holding the pistol.]]
==Screenshots==
[[File:SkyF 1002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond takes cover while carrying the HK416.]]
[[File:SkyfallBeginPPKDraw.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond draws his PPK before entering a room.]]
[[File:Skyfallbeginppk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond holds his PPK while entering a room.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond levels his PPK while clearing a room.]]
[[File:Skyfall1933u8Range.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond looks very unhappy with his firearms qualification results.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 91.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Bond opens fire with his PPK during the inquiry board attack.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M ([[Judi Dench]]) stays in cover with Bond's PPK at the ready in the finale when Silva's men attack Skyfall Lodge.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-MPPKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M with the PPK. Dench does a good job at keeping her eyes open when she fires the gun.]]
[[File:SkyfallRangeTremble01239.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond's hand trembles while holding the PPK.]]
[[Image:Skyfall 33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond with the PPK/S while in Shanghai as seen in the film.]]
[[Image:Skyfall-Toy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bond aims his PPK at Silva under the tube station.]]
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[[Image:Skyfall_4404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
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=Discussion=
==Bond's main gun==
==Bond's main gun==
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Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
***My quote made the LA Times. Good for me. LOL --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 10:47, 3 February 2013 (EST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
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:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
:Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.
A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).
Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.
:It's most likely what was avaiable and "unique" to the character in the scene. Personally the barrel would have given it crapped accuracy and shooting a guy brawling with a friendly on a moving train would take some expert marksmen even with a better rifle. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
:One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.
:I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with "tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
:Here's a solution to allow MGM (and Walther) to make boatloads of cash off an "official James Bond" pistol and not risk their reputation by having it used in an inappropriately-violent manner--make and market a PROP gun (that has a movable trigger/hammer, working magazine release, and dummy magazine, but obviously cannot be converted to live fire) that resembles what James Bond uses in a future movie. Just look at how many adults (and kids) will shell out lots of cash for prop lightsabers from the [[Star Wars]] series. If I were feeling in a "Q" mood, I'd mandate that it must have a tactical flashlight and laser sight at a minimum, and possibly a single-shot taser/stun gun weapon rail-mounted under the barrel just in case Bond needs less-lethal takedown capability and doesn't feel up to hand-to-hand combat. If you want to keep the prop out of the hands of kids, make it a "only X units produced" luxury good, possibly sold first at auction (so as to keep the price above what most little kids can beg and whine to their parents for). As for cheesy, aside from the various obvious film errors you can spot in the theatrical cut (i.e., Bond goes for a dip in a frozen lake and seconds later emerges completely dry), it seems that Bond has been taking notes from Sam Fisher (specifically the "Mark and Execute" gameplay mechanic from [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]]). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:And what's to stop people using that to hold up a convenience store? There's a reason you can't buy Airsoft guns in this country without jumping through god knows how many legal hoops first or painting it bright green. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:Really, I think the only criticism that should be had regarding the PPK is what situations it got used in: Bond would carry it even into drawn out firefights with enemies equipped with assault rifles and modern combat pistols. He always picked up a bad guy's gun (or armed himself with one from the start; the Piz Gloria battle in ''[[On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' had him enter the fight with a Sterling), but it seemed odd when he went into a highly dangerous situation without upping his arsenal. If he kept the P99 in his glove box and used it when he needed the extra power and capacity, that would be fine.
:That said, the PPK fits Bond's character. Moving away from the obvious arguments of how such a sleek looking pistol fits him or how the PPK is too iconic to eliminate, it suits someone who needs an extremely concealable weapon and has the skills needed to make it effective. I mean, the guy shot someone through the eye with a nail gun with one snap shot at a rather long range for a gun that isn't meant for actually firing its projectiles through the air, and that's just talking about the Craig Bond. It doesn't matter if he needs a gun that can punch through modern body armor if he's not carrying it into a situation where he can be expecting to be getting into firefights with guys in armor, and even if he did, he's good enough that he can pop them in the head.
:The PPK works for him for the exact same reasons people continue to carry it to this day: it's extremely small and slim and unusually accurate for a gun of its size (Hickok45 can hit the gong at over 100 yards with a PPK/S, so someone like James Bond being able to hit a man size target at a quarter that range isn't out of the question). People still use .32 ACP and .380 ACP effectively to this day, and .45 ACP still has plenty of stories where it failed to drop the bad guy instantly. The effectiveness of a round is based on shot placement, and the sheer kinetic energy of the bullet only does so much to compensate for that. I would trust James Bond to easily be able to kill me with the first shot even if I came into battle with the gear of the North Hollywood bank robbers. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (EST)
== What Happened??? ==
== What Happened??? ==
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It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
:Um, if the general public don't know about it then how is a movie director going to ask for one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:59, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee
this rifle appears visually similar to the AMSD OM 50 Nemesis with a large amount of visual modification [[User:LachlanDMcCahon|LachlanDMcCahon]] ([[User talk:LachlanDMcCahon|talk]]) 01:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
You get a much closer look at it at the end of the Skyfall section of ''007 Legends''; since I imagine the game's designers had some access to the prop, it might be useful as a source of ID if it's a decent enough match to the movie version. I'll see about getting a shot of it. Also the Patrice boss fight in that game is stunningly dreadful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:33, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:From what I've heard, "stunningly dreadful" pretty much describes the entire game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)
::Yeah, at best it's mediocre and it isn't often at its best. But Patrice in particular is a throwback to the bad old days of sci-fi FPS bosses where you fight a totally ordinary man with a stupidly powerful weapon who can soak up enough firepower to sink a cruiser. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:25, 21 January 2013 (EST)
[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Patrice-Sniper-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Also I'd forgotten that this re-enacts the part of the movie where Bond defeats him by abusing the hell out of a bunch of invincible glass doors. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:That looks pretty accurate to me, here is a shot from the trailer which shows the odd shape of the magazine well, and it seems to be a match. The texture on the side of the magazine is incorrect for the game gun though:
:As to what the gun is, I still am not sure. I can't 100% justify this, but I have this feeling that the base of the weapon may actually be a Remington 700 in an AICS, without the polymer stock on the outside, and with a fabricated metal box over the top. [http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc356/03rangerxlt/AICS%20Installation/DSC00651.jpg Here] is an image of the bare chassis. To me it looks like what they may have done is to machine off the mag well forwards of the finger hole (hence the rough bare metal edge visible in the above shot). The shape behind the magazine well in the trigger area also looks like a match to me. If this is the case, everything upwards of the horizontal line about a centimetre below the ejection port is a cosmetic box, which would explain the rough finish appearing as if it is simply sheet metal that has been painted, rather than a more durable finish you would see on a genuine weapon part. There also appears to be some rough machining on the channel that the bolt handle travels in, which would also be part of this cosmetic fascia. Although not very clear, the magazine also looks like the [http://shoowars.info/img.php?fl=a406n4i443p2p256u4p4q2n4m5j434l4f5g4j4p5t5s4l4u2a4l4f4t22606c4r494w5g516u2n4f4n4l434j414v2q2q264v2v203039444p2v2o5n484 extended ones] that you can get for the Rem 700 AICS. Just to add before anyone suggest it, I don't think it is a genuine AI, as the magazine and bolt handle are the wrong shape for starters. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:07, 22 January 2013 (EST) One more thing, go [http://www.sniperforums.com/forum/misc/35909-aics-stock-install.html here] to see a load more images of the chassis, along with a standard length magazine which I believe is a match for this one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:32, 22 January 2013 (EST)
== Additional images to be Id'ed ==
== Additional images to be Id'ed ==
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You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
:Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
:Sign your posts though. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
All right, will do. --[[User:Walther_arms|walther_arms]]
Picture No. 4 is a Glock 17;there are a number of newly released stills that confirm this. Apparently Bond disarms the guy pointing one at him inthe percussion cap dueler photo and winds up aiming at(or maybe shooting) somebody with a 2 handed hold.
The dueler is almost certainly a Pedersoli repro of a LePage dueling pistol.
Regards,
Tecolote
Should there be a page made for Ola Rapace? The actor fighting bond wielding the converted Glock 17 and the unknowne Sub-Machine Gun?-Bravejoker
== trailer weapons ==
== trailer weapons ==
seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
== New Trailer ==
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
:Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
== Signature Walther PPK ==
a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
== "12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun" ==
I've read that this is "Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Double Rifle" (source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465931593424952&set=a.430960320255413.102948.154596811225100&type=1&theater ); may it be true?
[[User:Pawelm|Pawelm]] 17:43, 2 August 2012 (CEST)
:I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
::I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: [http://www.andersonwheeler.co.uk/double_rifle.php Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
== Trailer ==
I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
::Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).
:::I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Ive taken a close look at the screen cap of Ola Rapace firing the Glock and if you look close enough it appears there is a selector switch on the side, meaning it could be a genuine Glock 18. -Bravejoker
==Just seen it==
Having just seen the film, I can happily say there were plenty of gunfights and we'll be spoilt for choice when screencapping it. There were so many closeups, especially of the PPK. Here's a list of all the guns I spotted:
* Walther PPK – used by Bond (naturally), Eve and M.
* Glock 17 – used extensively by London Met, Silva and his team when disguised as police officers. Bond definitely uses one on the island; it's not a P99.
* Glock 18 – used by Patrice during the opening scene in Turkey, first fitted with a Beta-C 100-round magazine, then standard 33-round magazines.
* Possible Steyr M9 – used by Silva during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
* M4 – used by MI6 guards.
* H&K 416 – used by Silva’s men and several by Bond during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
:Fairly sure the pistol Silva had at the lodge was a [[Steyr M9-A1]], the shape of the frame around the rail is pretty distinctive. I think this may have also been the pistol that was used by one of the 3 bodyguards at the Macau place with the komodo dragon pit, you see it when Eve stamps on the guys arm to stop him picking it up (I think this is what happened, can't remember the exact chain of events). Also I think Patrice uses a Glock 17 during the assassination later in the film, in the shot where he removes the suppressor it has no selector on the left side of the slide. There was also a machine gun mounted on a Merlin helicopter during the climax but didn't get a clear look at it due to it being dark and the brief shots of it. My guess is that it is an M2, or possibly an M3M, based on the mounting. Also, I think we should simply say that the Anderson Wheeler 500 NE Double Rifle is used by Bond during the films climax, anything over and above that I would consider a spoiler (at least until the film is on home release and most people will have already seen it). I still have no idea what the weird sniper rifle is, it seems like it was designed so that the case itself is part of the gun (the scope is the carry handle and the long piece at the front is the front edge of the case), but I don't see the point of having a suitcase that turns into a gun when you can just carry a suitcase with a take-down rifle in it. Still, was a great film IMHO, would highly recommend. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:09, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
::Just saw the film again on Friday and, yeah, you're right it is a Steyr M9A1, I get the two mixed up. Patrice also ditches his Glock 18 when it runs empty and uses a standard 17 during the assassination scene, like you said. Also, I spotted a Tokarev on some news footage, but the footage was paused before it was fired. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 15:53, 11 November 2012 (EST)
:::Are we certain that it was an actual Glock 18 as a Glock 17 is usually just converted to fire full auto than them using an actual Glock 18. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (EST)
::::It definitely is, the fire selector is clearly seen when it is first used. Conversely we can be relaively certain it is replaced with a Glock 17 later on as it lacks the selector (although the shot could have been flipped, I didn't look at the ejection port). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:40, 11 November 2012 (EST)
I believe the pistol used by the third bodyguard before Eve stomps on his arm was actually a Walther P99, the rear end looked pretty similar.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 19:41, 11 November 2012 (EST)
:Possibly, I have only seen the film once and is a very brief shot. However, at the time it struck me as a Steyr M9-A1, and if it is not then it is quite a coincidence that a definite one turns up later in the film. Also, I don't think they would include a Walther P99 in a Bond film and have Bond not use it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:01, 11 November 2012 (EST)
::No, it definitely wasn't a Walther, the front end was too tall. A Steyr is our best guess at this stage. --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 08:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)
Just to confirm, the MG mounted on the Merlin is an M2HB, it is visible in [http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70141 this] VLOG about helicopter filming about 25 seconds in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)
== Quick question regarding the police shootout during M's public inquiry ==
Would an armed British police officer in real life be allowed to open fire straight away on the bad guy, if the bad guy suddenly starts shooting without warning? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
:I believe the rule is "real and imminent threat to life". If the suspect has already opened fire then they are justified in shooting back without warning. But don't quote me on that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:14, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Another question I can think of. Does anyone here know any famous shootouts that involved armed Metropolitan Police officers in real life? --[[User:Btgr|Btgr]] ([[User talk:Btgr|talk]]) 15:12, 30 January 2013 (EST)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_incidents Read this. It lists all of them involving mostly CO19]. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:07, 30 January 2013 (EST)
::I wouldn't really call any of those "shootouts". In fact the incidents listed there are mostly unarmed people or bystanders getting shot rather than armed criminals or the police. Now that I think about it, I can't even think of an incident where there was two way firing that the Met were involved in. Lethal incidents that I can think of either involve armed criminals being shot by the police before they can draw their weapon or fire, or incidents where unarmed police were killed by armed criminals, such as the Shepherd's Bush murders. One of the biggest "shootings" by the Met that I can think of was when [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azelle_Rodney Azelle Rodney] was shot, where multiple officers shot the tyres of the suspects car with Hatton rounds from shotguns whilst another shot at Rodney 8 times with his G36C through the drivers window. This is a case of the suspects being armed but not actually shooting though (they were armed with a .25 Auto derringer converted from a self defence gas gun, a Baikal IZH-79 gas gun (which is based on the Makarov PM) rebarrelled to 9x18mm and threaded for a suppressor, and a deactivated Colt .45 which had been partially reactivated). Just FYI for anyone who is curious, the Baikal IZH-79 has become one of the most common weapons used by armed criminals in London due to its ease of conversion and the fact that it can take a suppressor. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:47, 30 January 2013 (EST)
==PPK palm print scanner ==
Something just occurred to me on how much of a problem the palm print PPK can be and a problem in the scene it was first used in China. Bond checked his gun to see the green light but later one after he got off the elevator, he was wearing gloves...how does the gun go off with him holding the gun when the gun only fires when it reads his palm print? It's also obviously they wrote the palm sensor device for the one scene when "not odd job" takes his gun away and tried to shoot him. After that, we never see this kind of device ever again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:05, 4 February 2013 (EST)
I just watched the film again and maybe I missed something but I could have sworn that when he had the PPK in his hands he had his gloves off and when he put the PPK away he put his gloves back on? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 21:41, 12 February 2013 (EST)
That's my point. Does the gun only work on him or can anyone in MI6 use it? What happened if M had to use his gun during the final shoot out and he loses the palm print gun really early and gets a regular PPK later on so...this new tech was just pointless. I'd rather Q gave him that exploding pen. Would have been useful [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:00, 12 February 2013 (EST)
I watched that scene twice. Bond is his car, trailing an assassin, and he takes off his glove to confirm his palm print. He pursues him sans gloves, but when he approaches the assassin, he put his gun away and puts back on his gloves! Really, why would a spy in constant danger have a weapon that wouldn't work if he wore gloves? --[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] ([[User talk:Sanjuro|talk]]) 22:41, 18 December 2016 (EST)
==Beretta 70==
Why is it even listed? You never see it at all. It's only mentioned.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:50, 15 February 2013 (EST)
== Shotgun ID ==
Is there any reason for the very specific ID of the Colt Model 1878 as the shotgun used? I personally doubt this is the case, as firstly it seems like an odd shotgun for a Scottish game warden to be using, but more importantly it looks different to me. If nothing else the barrel release on the movie gun is under the trigger guard, whereas on the Colt it is in the more conventional (these days) position on top of the grip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 16 February 2013 (EST)
==Glock 18==
having just watched the movie again,plus seeing some screencaps from other sources,I noted the top of the slide of Patrice's Glock 18 is solid,not
cut out as in the C model. It is a standard Glock 18, not an 18C.
Regards,
Tecolote
== PPK or PPK/S ==
I'm pretty sure that the only PPK/S in this movie is the one that Bond brings to China with the palm scanner.
The PPK's in the opening scene and the one back in London look like they have wear on them. They also don't seem to have the extended beavertail that the new Walthers have. I am pretty sure that these have to be the regular PPK in .32 ACP, as that had been used in Quantum of Solace. Also, The image of Bond reloading his PPK in the market in Istanbul shows the grips to be more reminiscent of a standard PPK (grips wrapping around the back of the gun grip) as opposed to a standard PPK/S (grips only on the sides of the grip, back of the grip is stainless steel). --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:43, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Also I think the side shot of the Walther during Bonds shooting test shows it is a PPK, as the back of a PPK/S grip plate is further forward with a square edge at the top. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
I have finally found the signature function for my above post I made a while ago. Do you think I should change the main page so it accurately reflects the PPK .32 being used and not the PPK/S .380? --[[User:TwelveTrains|TwelveTrains]] ([[User talk:TwelveTrains|talk]]) 03:53, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
== Additional ==
There's no reason to have twenty-two caps of the same gun for a two hour movie, especially since the gun itself isn't actually that clearly seen in a lot of them. I've trimmed it down to "only" twelve. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
== Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets... ==
If we take 100 9mm parabellum cartridges and swap all the lead bullets for depleted uranium, load them into a 100 round Beta-C mag, and then load that into a Glock 18 - How much would all of that weigh? Would it be possible to brandish and fire the gun with one hand?
Also, does anyone have any idea as to how much explosive propellant would be needed to make one of these DU bullets move at anything close to a useful velocity? Would it even be possible to fire such a round without completely destroying the pistol, and most of your arm with it? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 19:24, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
-Well the typical military grade DU alloys are about 1.67 times the density of lead, so I don't think the weight would be to much of an issue. However it would be completely impossible to fire the rounds at a useful velocity out of a pistol. Just another epic Hollywood research failure. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:33, 24 October 2013 (AEST)
While not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a Beretta 70 strapped to her thigh.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingBeretta Model 70 - .32 ACPError creating thumbnail: File missingWhile not clearly seen, Bond mentions during a meeting with Sévérine (Bérénice Marlohe) that only a certain kind of woman wears a backless gown with a Beretta 70 strapped to her thigh. She responds by saying you can never be sure with handsome men carrying Walthers.
I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice Fixer
I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action Excalibur01 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)
I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --cool-breeze 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --Funkychinaman 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)
I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.
Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS Charon68 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( Fixer
Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --Mattattack07 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)
If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --commando552 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. Charon68 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
My quote made the LA Times. Good for me. LOL --Charon68 (talk) 10:47, 3 February 2013 (EST)
That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --commando552 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)
On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --cool-breeze 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. Charon68 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least Tomorrow Never Dies; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in This shot. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. The Wierd It 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)
I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. Excalibur01 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)
In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --Mattattack07 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)
Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --Taurus96 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).
The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--Coltmth 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)
"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. The Wierd It 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)
If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.
Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)
I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--Coltmth 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)
If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. The Wierd It 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)
While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :)
Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU
It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. APS221 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.
The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --Coltmth 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--Yo dawg 111 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!
In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an M1911. That would be pretty cool. Scattergun 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)
While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. Evil Tim 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.
Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" Evil Tim 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.
A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).
Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.
It's most likely what was avaiable and "unique" to the character in the scene. Personally the barrel would have given it crapped accuracy and shooting a guy brawling with a friendly on a moving train would take some expert marksmen even with a better rifle. Excalibur01 (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--Leigh Burne 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.
I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--Leigh Burne 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
I really wish we'd see other Walthers. Nothing wrong with "tradition' but how about the newer P99 or the PPQ or the PPS? Excalibur01 (talk) 20:17, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
Here's a solution to allow MGM (and Walther) to make boatloads of cash off an "official James Bond" pistol and not risk their reputation by having it used in an inappropriately-violent manner--make and market a PROP gun (that has a movable trigger/hammer, working magazine release, and dummy magazine, but obviously cannot be converted to live fire) that resembles what James Bond uses in a future movie. Just look at how many adults (and kids) will shell out lots of cash for prop lightsabers from the Star Wars series. If I were feeling in a "Q" mood, I'd mandate that it must have a tactical flashlight and laser sight at a minimum, and possibly a single-shot taser/stun gun weapon rail-mounted under the barrel just in case Bond needs less-lethal takedown capability and doesn't feel up to hand-to-hand combat. If you want to keep the prop out of the hands of kids, make it a "only X units produced" luxury good, possibly sold first at auction (so as to keep the price above what most little kids can beg and whine to their parents for). As for cheesy, aside from the various obvious film errors you can spot in the theatrical cut (i.e., Bond goes for a dip in a frozen lake and seconds later emerges completely dry), it seems that Bond has been taking notes from Sam Fisher (specifically the "Mark and Execute" gameplay mechanic from Splinter Cell: Conviction). --Mazryonh (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)
And what's to stop people using that to hold up a convenience store? There's a reason you can't buy Airsoft guns in this country without jumping through god knows how many legal hoops first or painting it bright green. The Wierd It (talk) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Really, I think the only criticism that should be had regarding the PPK is what situations it got used in: Bond would carry it even into drawn out firefights with enemies equipped with assault rifles and modern combat pistols. He always picked up a bad guy's gun (or armed himself with one from the start; the Piz Gloria battle in On Her Majesty's Secret Service had him enter the fight with a Sterling), but it seemed odd when he went into a highly dangerous situation without upping his arsenal. If he kept the P99 in his glove box and used it when he needed the extra power and capacity, that would be fine.
That said, the PPK fits Bond's character. Moving away from the obvious arguments of how such a sleek looking pistol fits him or how the PPK is too iconic to eliminate, it suits someone who needs an extremely concealable weapon and has the skills needed to make it effective. I mean, the guy shot someone through the eye with a nail gun with one snap shot at a rather long range for a gun that isn't meant for actually firing its projectiles through the air, and that's just talking about the Craig Bond. It doesn't matter if he needs a gun that can punch through modern body armor if he's not carrying it into a situation where he can be expecting to be getting into firefights with guys in armor, and even if he did, he's good enough that he can pop them in the head.
The PPK works for him for the exact same reasons people continue to carry it to this day: it's extremely small and slim and unusually accurate for a gun of its size (Hickok45 can hit the gong at over 100 yards with a PPK/S, so someone like James Bond being able to hit a man size target at a quarter that range isn't out of the question). People still use .32 ACP and .380 ACP effectively to this day, and .45 ACP still has plenty of stories where it failed to drop the bad guy instantly. The effectiveness of a round is based on shot placement, and the sheer kinetic energy of the bullet only does so much to compensate for that. I would trust James Bond to easily be able to kill me with the first shot even if I came into battle with the gear of the North Hollywood bank robbers. Chitoryu12 (talk) 06:04, 6 February 2013 (EST)
What Happened???
In Casino Royale (2006), Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--Yo dawg 111 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....
I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it Bristow8411 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)
CO19 holster weapons
The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.
Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.
Regards,
Tecolote
Trailer unknown gun
The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads
I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the Day of the Jackal rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --commando552 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job.
Regards,
Tecolote
The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--6pulkpancerna 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.
Regards,
Tecolote
I would say its a grease gun--Coltmth 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --commando552 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--Coltmth 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. Chitoryu12 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--Coltmth 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Um, if the general public don't know about it then how is a movie director going to ask for one? Evil Tim (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee
this rifle appears visually similar to the AMSD OM 50 Nemesis with a large amount of visual modification LachlanDMcCahon (talk) 01:54, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
You get a much closer look at it at the end of the Skyfall section of 007 Legends; since I imagine the game's designers had some access to the prop, it might be useful as a source of ID if it's a decent enough match to the movie version. I'll see about getting a shot of it. Also the Patrice boss fight in that game is stunningly dreadful. Evil Tim (talk) 07:33, 21 January 2013 (EST)
From what I've heard, "stunningly dreadful" pretty much describes the entire game. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)
Yeah, at best it's mediocre and it isn't often at its best. But Patrice in particular is a throwback to the bad old days of sci-fi FPS bosses where you fight a totally ordinary man with a stupidly powerful weapon who can soak up enough firepower to sink a cruiser. Evil Tim (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2013 (EST)
Also I'd forgotten that this re-enacts the part of the movie where Bond defeats him by abusing the hell out of a bunch of invincible glass doors. Evil Tim (talk) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (EST)
That looks pretty accurate to me, here is a shot from the trailer which shows the odd shape of the magazine well, and it seems to be a match. The texture on the side of the magazine is incorrect for the game gun though:
As to what the gun is, I still am not sure. I can't 100% justify this, but I have this feeling that the base of the weapon may actually be a Remington 700 in an AICS, without the polymer stock on the outside, and with a fabricated metal box over the top. Here is an image of the bare chassis. To me it looks like what they may have done is to machine off the mag well forwards of the finger hole (hence the rough bare metal edge visible in the above shot). The shape behind the magazine well in the trigger area also looks like a match to me. If this is the case, everything upwards of the horizontal line about a centimetre below the ejection port is a cosmetic box, which would explain the rough finish appearing as if it is simply sheet metal that has been painted, rather than a more durable finish you would see on a genuine weapon part. There also appears to be some rough machining on the channel that the bolt handle travels in, which would also be part of this cosmetic fascia. Although not very clear, the magazine also looks like the extended ones that you can get for the Rem 700 AICS. Just to add before anyone suggest it, I don't think it is a genuine AI, as the magazine and bolt handle are the wrong shape for starters. --commando552 (talk) 12:07, 22 January 2013 (EST) One more thing, go here to see a load more images of the chassis, along with a standard length magazine which I believe is a match for this one. --commando552 (talk) 12:32, 22 January 2013 (EST)
Additional images to be Id'ed
These are some more images from the trailer. --Ben41 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)
In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads
2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout
3. The strange mock-up seen above
4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --Taurus96 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 Fixer
Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --cool-breeze 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..
I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --DeltaOne 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --cool-breeze 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.pngChitoryu12 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --commando552 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much
Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --cool-breeze 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)
Sign your posts though. --cool-breeze 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)
Picture No. 4 is a Glock 17;there are a number of newly released stills that confirm this. Apparently Bond disarms the guy pointing one at him inthe percussion cap dueler photo and winds up aiming at(or maybe shooting) somebody with a 2 handed hold.
The dueler is almost certainly a Pedersoli repro of a LePage dueling pistol.
Regards,
Tecolote
Should there be a page made for Ola Rapace? The actor fighting bond wielding the converted Glock 17 and the unknowne Sub-Machine Gun?-Bravejoker
trailer weapons
seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--Seekerdude 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)
ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --Seekerdude 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...----JazzBlackBelt-- 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
Signature Walther PPK
a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--Seekerdude 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK Bristow8411 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --commando552 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle --Markit 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Trailer
I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? Fixer
Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --Taurus96 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).
I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --cool-breeze 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Ive taken a close look at the screen cap of Ola Rapace firing the Glock and if you look close enough it appears there is a selector switch on the side, meaning it could be a genuine Glock 18. -Bravejoker
Just seen it
Having just seen the film, I can happily say there were plenty of gunfights and we'll be spoilt for choice when screencapping it. There were so many closeups, especially of the PPK. Here's a list of all the guns I spotted:
Walther PPK – used by Bond (naturally), Eve and M.
Glock 17 – used extensively by London Met, Silva and his team when disguised as police officers. Bond definitely uses one on the island; it's not a P99.
Glock 18 – used by Patrice during the opening scene in Turkey, first fitted with a Beta-C 100-round magazine, then standard 33-round magazines.
Possible Steyr M9 – used by Silva during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
M4 – used by MI6 guards.
H&K 416 – used by Silva’s men and several by Bond during the Skyfall Lodge shootout.
H&K MP7 – used by Silva’s men on his island.
You're welcome - --Taurus96 (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
Fairly sure the pistol Silva had at the lodge was a Steyr M9-A1, the shape of the frame around the rail is pretty distinctive. I think this may have also been the pistol that was used by one of the 3 bodyguards at the Macau place with the komodo dragon pit, you see it when Eve stamps on the guys arm to stop him picking it up (I think this is what happened, can't remember the exact chain of events). Also I think Patrice uses a Glock 17 during the assassination later in the film, in the shot where he removes the suppressor it has no selector on the left side of the slide. There was also a machine gun mounted on a Merlin helicopter during the climax but didn't get a clear look at it due to it being dark and the brief shots of it. My guess is that it is an M2, or possibly an M3M, based on the mounting. Also, I think we should simply say that the Anderson Wheeler 500 NE Double Rifle is used by Bond during the films climax, anything over and above that I would consider a spoiler (at least until the film is on home release and most people will have already seen it). I still have no idea what the weird sniper rifle is, it seems like it was designed so that the case itself is part of the gun (the scope is the carry handle and the long piece at the front is the front edge of the case), but I don't see the point of having a suitcase that turns into a gun when you can just carry a suitcase with a take-down rifle in it. Still, was a great film IMHO, would highly recommend. --commando552 (talk) 20:09, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
Just saw the film again on Friday and, yeah, you're right it is a Steyr M9A1, I get the two mixed up. Patrice also ditches his Glock 18 when it runs empty and uses a standard 17 during the assassination scene, like you said. Also, I spotted a Tokarev on some news footage, but the footage was paused before it was fired. --Taurus96 (talk) 15:53, 11 November 2012 (EST)
Are we certain that it was an actual Glock 18 as a Glock 17 is usually just converted to fire full auto than them using an actual Glock 18. --cool-breeze (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (EST)
It definitely is, the fire selector is clearly seen when it is first used. Conversely we can be relaively certain it is replaced with a Glock 17 later on as it lacks the selector (although the shot could have been flipped, I didn't look at the ejection port). --commando552 (talk) 17:40, 11 November 2012 (EST)
I believe the pistol used by the third bodyguard before Eve stomps on his arm was actually a Walther P99, the rear end looked pretty similar.Bristow8411 (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2012 (EST)
Possibly, I have only seen the film once and is a very brief shot. However, at the time it struck me as a Steyr M9-A1, and if it is not then it is quite a coincidence that a definite one turns up later in the film. Also, I don't think they would include a Walther P99 in a Bond film and have Bond not use it. --commando552 (talk) 20:01, 11 November 2012 (EST)
No, it definitely wasn't a Walther, the front end was too tall. A Steyr is our best guess at this stage. --Taurus96 (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2012 (EST)
Just to confirm, the MG mounted on the Merlin is an M2HB, it is visible in this VLOG about helicopter filming about 25 seconds in. --commando552 (talk) 05:42, 18 November 2012 (EST)
Quick question regarding the police shootout during M's public inquiry
Would an armed British police officer in real life be allowed to open fire straight away on the bad guy, if the bad guy suddenly starts shooting without warning? --Btgr (talk) 03:27, 5 January 2013 (EST)
I believe the rule is "real and imminent threat to life". If the suspect has already opened fire then they are justified in shooting back without warning. But don't quote me on that. The Wierd It (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2013 (EST)
Another question I can think of. Does anyone here know any famous shootouts that involved armed Metropolitan Police officers in real life? --Btgr (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2013 (EST)
I wouldn't really call any of those "shootouts". In fact the incidents listed there are mostly unarmed people or bystanders getting shot rather than armed criminals or the police. Now that I think about it, I can't even think of an incident where there was two way firing that the Met were involved in. Lethal incidents that I can think of either involve armed criminals being shot by the police before they can draw their weapon or fire, or incidents where unarmed police were killed by armed criminals, such as the Shepherd's Bush murders. One of the biggest "shootings" by the Met that I can think of was when Azelle Rodney was shot, where multiple officers shot the tyres of the suspects car with Hatton rounds from shotguns whilst another shot at Rodney 8 times with his G36C through the drivers window. This is a case of the suspects being armed but not actually shooting though (they were armed with a .25 Auto derringer converted from a self defence gas gun, a Baikal IZH-79 gas gun (which is based on the Makarov PM) rebarrelled to 9x18mm and threaded for a suppressor, and a deactivated Colt .45 which had been partially reactivated). Just FYI for anyone who is curious, the Baikal IZH-79 has become one of the most common weapons used by armed criminals in London due to its ease of conversion and the fact that it can take a suppressor. --commando552 (talk) 17:47, 30 January 2013 (EST)
PPK palm print scanner
Something just occurred to me on how much of a problem the palm print PPK can be and a problem in the scene it was first used in China. Bond checked his gun to see the green light but later one after he got off the elevator, he was wearing gloves...how does the gun go off with him holding the gun when the gun only fires when it reads his palm print? It's also obviously they wrote the palm sensor device for the one scene when "not odd job" takes his gun away and tried to shoot him. After that, we never see this kind of device ever again. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:05, 4 February 2013 (EST)
I just watched the film again and maybe I missed something but I could have sworn that when he had the PPK in his hands he had his gloves off and when he put the PPK away he put his gloves back on? Bristow8411 (talk) 21:41, 12 February 2013 (EST)
That's my point. Does the gun only work on him or can anyone in MI6 use it? What happened if M had to use his gun during the final shoot out and he loses the palm print gun really early and gets a regular PPK later on so...this new tech was just pointless. I'd rather Q gave him that exploding pen. Would have been useful Excalibur01 (talk) 23:00, 12 February 2013 (EST)
I watched that scene twice. Bond is his car, trailing an assassin, and he takes off his glove to confirm his palm print. He pursues him sans gloves, but when he approaches the assassin, he put his gun away and puts back on his gloves! Really, why would a spy in constant danger have a weapon that wouldn't work if he wore gloves? --Sanjuro (talk) 22:41, 18 December 2016 (EST)
Beretta 70
Why is it even listed? You never see it at all. It's only mentioned.--Mandolin (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2013 (EST)
Shotgun ID
Is there any reason for the very specific ID of the Colt Model 1878 as the shotgun used? I personally doubt this is the case, as firstly it seems like an odd shotgun for a Scottish game warden to be using, but more importantly it looks different to me. If nothing else the barrel release on the movie gun is under the trigger guard, whereas on the Colt it is in the more conventional (these days) position on top of the grip. --commando552 (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2013 (EST)
Glock 18
having just watched the movie again,plus seeing some screencaps from other sources,I noted the top of the slide of Patrice's Glock 18 is solid,not
cut out as in the C model. It is a standard Glock 18, not an 18C.
Regards,
Tecolote
PPK or PPK/S
I'm pretty sure that the only PPK/S in this movie is the one that Bond brings to China with the palm scanner.
The PPK's in the opening scene and the one back in London look like they have wear on them. They also don't seem to have the extended beavertail that the new Walthers have. I am pretty sure that these have to be the regular PPK in .32 ACP, as that had been used in Quantum of Solace. Also, The image of Bond reloading his PPK in the market in Istanbul shows the grips to be more reminiscent of a standard PPK (grips wrapping around the back of the gun grip) as opposed to a standard PPK/S (grips only on the sides of the grip, back of the grip is stainless steel). --TwelveTrains (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
Also I think the side shot of the Walther during Bonds shooting test shows it is a PPK, as the back of a PPK/S grip plate is further forward with a square edge at the top. --commando552 (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
I have finally found the signature function for my above post I made a while ago. Do you think I should change the main page so it accurately reflects the PPK .32 being used and not the PPK/S .380? --TwelveTrains (talk) 03:53, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
Additional
There's no reason to have twenty-two caps of the same gun for a two hour movie, especially since the gun itself isn't actually that clearly seen in a lot of them. I've trimmed it down to "only" twelve. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
Regarding the Depleted Uranium Bullets...
If we take 100 9mm parabellum cartridges and swap all the lead bullets for depleted uranium, load them into a 100 round Beta-C mag, and then load that into a Glock 18 - How much would all of that weigh? Would it be possible to brandish and fire the gun with one hand?
Also, does anyone have any idea as to how much explosive propellant would be needed to make one of these DU bullets move at anything close to a useful velocity? Would it even be possible to fire such a round without completely destroying the pistol, and most of your arm with it? Stickie (talk) 19:24, 13 September 2013 (EDT)
-Well the typical military grade DU alloys are about 1.67 times the density of lead, so I don't think the weight would be to much of an issue. However it would be completely impossible to fire the rounds at a useful velocity out of a pistol. Just another epic Hollywood research failure. Pravda616 15:33, 24 October 2013 (AEST)
