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[[Image:thedesertrats-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Desert Rats | [[Image:thedesertrats-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Desert Rats (1953)'']] | ||
'''The Desert Rats''' is a 1953 war movie about the dramatic events that took place in 1941 in the North African theatre. After initial victories against the Italians who had colonized the area, the Allied troops were now being chased eastwards by the Germans under the command of General Rommel ([[James Mason]]), later in WWII to be promoted to Field Marshal. | '''The Desert Rats''' is a 1953 war movie about the dramatic events that took place in 1941 in the North African theatre. After initial victories against the Italians who had colonized the area, the Allied troops were now being chased eastwards by the Germans under the command of General Rommel ([[James Mason]]), later in WWII to be promoted to Field Marshal. | ||
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The Australian 9th Division (whose nickname is in fact "The Rats of Tobruk", and not as the movie title incorrectly suggests "The Desert Rats") pulls back to the coastal town of Tobruk. They seek to avoid encirclement and become trapped with Rommel’s troops seeking to take the town as it is a thorn in their side on their way to the Suez Canal. The movie deals with the hardships endured during the siege by the unit of Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]), who is from Scotland and thus has understandable challenges exercising his command upon an Australian army unit. The highlight of the movie is a commando raid led by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts on an underground German ammunition dump. | The Australian 9th Division (whose nickname is in fact "The Rats of Tobruk", and not as the movie title incorrectly suggests "The Desert Rats") pulls back to the coastal town of Tobruk. They seek to avoid encirclement and become trapped with Rommel’s troops seeking to take the town as it is a thorn in their side on their way to the Suez Canal. The movie deals with the hardships endured during the siege by the unit of Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]), who is from Scotland and thus has understandable challenges exercising his command upon an Australian army unit. The highlight of the movie is a commando raid led by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts on an underground German ammunition dump. | ||
The movie does not seem to have had an expert armorer since there’s an extraordinary number of errors in the use of military hardware. Only in a few scenes do the Germans actually use a German gun (the [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] rifle), for the rest they are using Allied weapons such as the Thompson submachine gun and the Vickers | The movie does not seem to have had an expert armorer since there’s an extraordinary number of errors in the use of military hardware. Only in a few scenes do the Germans actually use a German gun (the [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] rifle), for the rest they are using Allied weapons such as the Thompson submachine gun and the Vickers/Browning 1917 machine guns. In one memorable scene, a German truck convoy is attacked by a plane that’s first a Spitfire with D-Day stripes (not to appear until June 1944) and a second later it’s an American Grumman Avenger (not to appear until 1942)… | ||
'''The following guns were used in the film '' | '''The following guns were used in the film ''The Desert Rats'':''' | ||
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=Handguns= | =Handguns= | ||
==Colt Official Police== | ==Colt Official Police== | ||
A [[Colt Official Police]] is carried by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]) on most occasions. It was not surprising for an English officer at the time to carry an American revolver since | A [[Colt Official Police]] is carried by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]) on most occasions. It was not surprising for an English officer at the time to carry an American revolver since the British military actually purchased several thousand Colt Official Police revolvers directly from Colt in 1940-41 chambered in 38/200. | ||
[[Image: ColtOP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Official Police - 5" Barrel - .38 Special]] | [[Image: ColtOP5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Official Police - 5" Barrel - .38 Special]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-coltofficialpolice-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'Tammy' manages a smile when finally relief is being send to his part of the frontline. Note the inconveniently long and thick lanyards that keep the revolvers on their person.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-coltofficialpolice-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'Tammy' manages a smile when finally relief is being send to his part of the frontline. Note the inconveniently long and thick lanyards that keep the revolvers on their person.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-coltofficialpolice-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the commando raid on the German ammunition dump ‘Tammy’ is securing the entry to the ammunition storage area with his [[Colt Official Police]].]] | [[File:thedesertrats-coltofficialpolice-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the commando raid on the German ammunition dump ‘Tammy’ is securing the entry to the ammunition storage area with his [[Colt Official Police]].]] | ||
==Enfield No. 2== | ==Enfield No.2== | ||
A small number of [[Enfield No.2]]’s are seen carried by Allied officers on several occasions, most notably by Lt. Harry Carstairs ([[Charles Tingwell]]). Even though they are not shown clearly, they can be identified by the typical ‘hooked’ front sight and the design of the area between the trigger guard and the barrel. | A small number of [[Enfield No.2]]’s are seen carried by Allied officers on several occasions, most notably by Lt. Harry Carstairs ([[Charles Tingwell]]). Even though they are not shown clearly, they can be identified by the typical ‘hooked’ front sight and the design of the area between the trigger guard and the barrel. | ||
[[Image:White Enfield No2 Mk I.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Enfield No. 2 Mk I. - .38 S&W]] | [[Image:White Enfield No2 Mk I.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Enfield No. 2 Mk I. - .38 S&W]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-enfield-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Harry Carstairs taking cover during his unauthorized daring rescue attempt to save one of his men from no-man’s land.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-enfield-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Harry Carstairs taking cover during his unauthorized but daring rescue attempt to save one of his men from no-man’s land.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-enfield-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The typical front ‘hooked’ front sight of the | [[File:thedesertrats-enfield-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The typical front ‘hooked’ front sight of the [[Enfield No.2]] can be clearly seen in this shot.]] | ||
=Submachine Guns= | =Submachine Guns= | ||
==M1928A1 Thompson== | ==M1928A1 Thompson== | ||
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun, with smooth barrel, is seen in the hands of the Allied commandos under Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]) when they blow up an underground German ammunition dump. Surprisingly, some Germans can also be seen using it instead of the [[MP40]]. | The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun, with smooth barrel, is seen in the hands of the Allied commandos under Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts ([[Richard Burton]]) when they blow up an underground German ammunition dump. Surprisingly, some Germans can also be seen using it instead of the [[MP40]]. Although this is understandable as German troops sometimes used captured weapons. | ||
[[Image:M1928A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]] | [[Image:M1928A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier carries a [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun when escorting Allied commandos after their raid. It may be possible that he took the gun as a trophy off the commandos.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier carries a [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun when escorting Allied commandos after their raid. It may be possible that he took the gun as a trophy off the commandos.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nice shot of the [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun, clearly identified by the bolt actuator on top of the receiver (moved to right side on later versions) and the square-shaped Lyman Model 55B adjustable rear sights.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nice shot of the [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun, clearly identified by the bolt actuator on top of the receiver (moved to right side on later versions) and the square-shaped Lyman Model 55B adjustable rear sights.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''”Anhalten!”'']] | [[File:thedesertrats-thompsonm1928a1-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''”Anhalten!”'']] | ||
=Rifles= | =Rifles= | ||
==Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III== | |||
==Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk | The [[Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III]] rifle is the most prominent gun in this movie, seen in the hands of almost all Allied troops. On a number of occasions bayonets are seen mounted and surprisingly, it is also seen in the hands of German soldiers during one of the attacks on Tobruk. | ||
The [[ | [[Image: SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III - .303 British]] | ||
[[Image: SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk | [[File:thedesertrats-smle-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dramatic shot of several Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III rifles during the final battle as relief troops are awaited to lift the siege of Tobruk.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-smle-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dramatic shot of several | [[File:thedesertrats-smle-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several ‘Desert Rats’ are taking off on a night raid with their Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III rifles to harass the Germans that have them trapped in Tobruk.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-smle-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several ‘Desert Rats’ are taking off on a night raid with their | [[File:thedesertrats-smle-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tammy’s former school teacher Pvt. Tom Bartlett ([[Robert Newton]]) cradles his Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III as another German attack is expected.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-smle-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tammy’s former school teacher Pvt. Tom Bartlett ([[Robert Newton]]) cradles his | [[File:thedesertrats-smle-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These German soldiers clearly don’t know whose side they’re on as they have opted to use their enemy’s Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III, clearly recognizable by the typical stubby front.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-smle-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These German soldiers clearly don’t know whose side they’re on as they have opted to use their enemy’s | |||
==Mauser Gewehr 1898== | ==Mauser Gewehr 1898== | ||
The only (…) German gun that the Germans actually use is the [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] rifle. Even though a successor model for this rifle had been introduced in the 1930’s, the [[Karabiner 98k]] carbine, this rifle still saw use in several theatres. | The only (…) German gun that the Germans actually use is the [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] rifle. Even though a successor model for this rifle had been introduced in the 1930’s, the [[Karabiner 98k]] carbine, this rifle still saw use in several theatres. | ||
[[ | [[File:MauserGewehr1898EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser Gewehr 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-mauser98-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot clearly identifies the gun as a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] and not its successor the [[Karabiner 98k]] carbine due to the longer barrel.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-mauser98-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot clearly identifies the gun as a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] and not its successor the [[Karabiner 98k]] carbine due to the longer barrel.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-mauser98-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Probably not a good idea to keep the bolt pulled back in desert conditions….]] | [[File:thedesertrats-mauser98-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Probably not a good idea to keep the bolt pulled back in desert conditions….]] | ||
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=Machine Guns= | =Machine Guns= | ||
==Vickers Mk1== | ==Vickers Mk1== | ||
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[[File:thedesertrats-vickers-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Australian machinegunner shows that he’s not to be messed with; after the ammunition box for his [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]] runs dry, he uses it to hit approaching Germans with!]] | [[File:thedesertrats-vickers-09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Australian machinegunner shows that he’s not to be messed with; after the ammunition box for his [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]] runs dry, he uses it to hit approaching Germans with!]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-vickers-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]] position being set up at the Tobruk perimeter. Note that the condenser tube has not been attached yet and that the barrel jacket has been given desert-style camouflage.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-vickers-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]] position being set up at the Tobruk perimeter. Note that the condenser tube has not been attached yet and that the barrel jacket has been given desert-style camouflage.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-vickers-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A nomination for the most unlikely use of a gun in a movie: advancing German soldiers move across the battlefield with the rather heavy [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]]; probably the [[MG34]] was hard to get by for this movie.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-vickers-06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A nomination for the most unlikely use ever of a gun in a movie: advancing German soldiers move across the battlefield with the rather heavy [[Vickers#Vickers MK1 Machine Gun|Vickers MK1 machine gun]]; probably the [[MG34]] was hard to get by for this movie.]] | ||
==Bren Mk2== | ==Bren Mk2== | ||
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[[File:thedesertrats-brengun-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Australian commandos making the last preparations before yet another night-time raid on the German lines.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-brengun-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Australian commandos making the last preparations before yet another night-time raid on the German lines.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-brengun-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Bren gun|Bren Mk2]] providing cover fire while the commandos lay explosive charges in the underground ammunition dump.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-brengun-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Bren gun|Bren Mk2]] providing cover fire while the commandos lay explosive charges in the underground ammunition dump.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-brengun-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same characters as in above image leaving the ammunition dump asap before the place | [[File:thedesertrats-brengun-05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same characters as in above image leaving the ammunition dump asap before the place blows up.]] | ||
==Lewis Gun== | ==Lewis Gun== | ||
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==Browning M1917== | ==Browning M1917== | ||
This | This hurts! In all static defence positions, the German troops are using the American [[Browning M1917]]. Again, the [[MG34]] would be a much more likely candidate. | ||
[[Image: M1917A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun with tripod and ammo box - .30-06]] | [[Image: M1917A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1917 machine gun with tripod and ammo box - .30-06]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-browningm1917-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers moving to man their machine gun, clearly identifiable as a [[Browning M1917]] because of the pistol grip, as Australian commandos run across the base.]] | [[File:thedesertrats-browningm1917-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers moving to man their machine gun, clearly identifiable as a [[Browning M1917]] because of the pistol grip, as Australian commandos run across the base.]] | ||
[[File:thedesertrats-browningm1917-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rather clumsy attempt to camouflage a [[Browning M1917]] with snowflake-like camo design in the desert…]] | [[File:thedesertrats-browningm1917-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rather clumsy attempt to camouflage a [[Browning M1917]] with snowflake-like camo design in the desert…]] | ||
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Latest revision as of 17:50, 29 July 2023
The Desert Rats is a 1953 war movie about the dramatic events that took place in 1941 in the North African theatre. After initial victories against the Italians who had colonized the area, the Allied troops were now being chased eastwards by the Germans under the command of General Rommel (James Mason), later in WWII to be promoted to Field Marshal.
The Australian 9th Division (whose nickname is in fact "The Rats of Tobruk", and not as the movie title incorrectly suggests "The Desert Rats") pulls back to the coastal town of Tobruk. They seek to avoid encirclement and become trapped with Rommel’s troops seeking to take the town as it is a thorn in their side on their way to the Suez Canal. The movie deals with the hardships endured during the siege by the unit of Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts (Richard Burton), who is from Scotland and thus has understandable challenges exercising his command upon an Australian army unit. The highlight of the movie is a commando raid led by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts on an underground German ammunition dump.
The movie does not seem to have had an expert armorer since there’s an extraordinary number of errors in the use of military hardware. Only in a few scenes do the Germans actually use a German gun (the Mauser Gewehr 1898 rifle), for the rest they are using Allied weapons such as the Thompson submachine gun and the Vickers/Browning 1917 machine guns. In one memorable scene, a German truck convoy is attacked by a plane that’s first a Spitfire with D-Day stripes (not to appear until June 1944) and a second later it’s an American Grumman Avenger (not to appear until 1942)…
The following guns were used in the film The Desert Rats:
Handguns
Colt Official Police
A Colt Official Police is carried by Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts (Richard Burton) on most occasions. It was not surprising for an English officer at the time to carry an American revolver since the British military actually purchased several thousand Colt Official Police revolvers directly from Colt in 1940-41 chambered in 38/200.
Enfield No.2
A small number of Enfield No.2’s are seen carried by Allied officers on several occasions, most notably by Lt. Harry Carstairs (Charles Tingwell). Even though they are not shown clearly, they can be identified by the typical ‘hooked’ front sight and the design of the area between the trigger guard and the barrel.
Submachine Guns
M1928A1 Thompson
The M1928A1 Thompson submachine gun, with smooth barrel, is seen in the hands of the Allied commandos under Capt. 'Tammy' MacRoberts (Richard Burton) when they blow up an underground German ammunition dump. Surprisingly, some Germans can also be seen using it instead of the MP40. Although this is understandable as German troops sometimes used captured weapons.
Rifles
Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III
The Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III rifle is the most prominent gun in this movie, seen in the hands of almost all Allied troops. On a number of occasions bayonets are seen mounted and surprisingly, it is also seen in the hands of German soldiers during one of the attacks on Tobruk.
Mauser Gewehr 1898
The only (…) German gun that the Germans actually use is the Mauser Gewehr 1898 rifle. Even though a successor model for this rifle had been introduced in the 1930’s, the Karabiner 98k carbine, this rifle still saw use in several theatres.
Machine Guns
Vickers Mk1
The Vickers MK1 machine gun has a strong presence in the movie, most notably in fixed positions in trenches across the Australian defences of Tobruk.
Bren Mk2
A Bren Mk2 is used as one of the supporting weapons for the raid on the ammunition dump. It can also be seen in earlier scenes when Australian troops harass Germans with lethal night-time raids.
Lewis Gun
A Lewis Gun is seen being loaded into a truck during the preparations for the raid on the ammunition dump but not seen afterwards.
Browning M1917
This hurts! In all static defence positions, the German troops are using the American Browning M1917. Again, the MG34 would be a much more likely candidate.
