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==Additional Variants== | __TOC__<br clear="all"> | ||
=Additional Variants= | |||
==Screen-Used Variants== | |||
[[Image:TrueLiesMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 was used by [[Jamie Lee Curtis]] in the film ''[[True Lies]]'' - 9x19mm Parabellum. When the gun fell down the flight of stairs, wire was wrapped around the trigger to get the effect.]] | [[Image:TrueLiesMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 was used by [[Jamie Lee Curtis]] in the film ''[[True Lies]]'' - 9x19mm Parabellum. When the gun fell down the flight of stairs, wire was wrapped around the trigger to get the effect.]] | ||
[[Image:Blade mac11.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blade's MAC-11 - .380 ACP. It is a rubber stunt version.]] | |||
[[Image:Blade2-8-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The heavily modified MAC-10 used in the film ''[[Blade II]]''.]] | |||
[[File:Jamesgeorgopoulosjokermac10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP. This is the screen-used firearm seen in ''[[The Dark Knight]]''. '''Thanks to [[User:Jimmygcreative|James Georgopoulos]]'''.]] | |||
[[Image:McQMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 used by [[John Wayne]] in the film ''[[McQ]]''- chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum. Suppressor is not the original. Image supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]] | [[Image:McQMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 used by [[John Wayne]] in the film ''[[McQ]]''- chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum. Suppressor is not the original. Image supplied by Long Mountain Outfitters.]] | ||
[[File:SpawnfakeP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M11/9 mocked up as [[FN P90]], used in ''[[Spawn]]'' - 9x19mm Parabellum. Image from Long Mountain Outfitters.]] | |||
[[File:SpawnM11.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Customised Cobray M11/9 used in ''[[Spawn]]'' - 9x19mm Parabellum. Image from Long Mountian Outfitters.]] | |||
==Other Variants== | |||
===MAC-10/11=== | |||
[[File:Jaws_m10_45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 fitted with the Jersey Arms Works collapsible buttstock - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[Image:Ingram MAC 10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 with detachable barrel extension - .45 ACP.]] | [[Image:Ingram MAC 10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 with detachable barrel extension - .45 ACP.]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:MAC-11Compact.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A MAC-11 of unknown make with a grip safety and 16-round magazine - .380 ACP]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:US Ingram M10 9x19mm submachine gun by Military Armament Corp with barrel extension.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 with barrel extension - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[ | [[File:M11A1 no stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPB M11A1 with no stock - .380 ACP]] | ||
[[ | [[File:MGC MAC-11 suppressed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MGC suppressed Ingram MAC-11]] | ||
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===Other derivatives=== | |||
[[File:MPA10SST.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST semi-auto civilian "mini pistol" - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[File:MPA10SST-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA10SST with safety extension - .45 ACP]] | |||
[[File:MPA930T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA930T semi-auto civilian "mini pistol" with "safety extension" - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPA930SST.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA930SST semi-auto civilian "mini pistol" - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:BXP Early Version.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armscor/Mechem BXP, early version - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:Sca m11.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stonycreek Armory Suomi upper installed on a SWD M11/9 SMG - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPA30DMG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MasterPiece Arms MPA30DMG - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:T77.jpg|thumb|none|450px|T77 - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPA300DMG.JPG|thumb|none|450px|MasterPiece Arms MPA300DMG - 9x19mm]] | |||
===Airsoft Images=== | |||
[[File:GP221-L.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Mac 11 with G&P scope mount]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Such a silly looking gun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:57, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | Such a silly looking gun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:57, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ||
:Clearly, ergonomics or controllability were not high on Gordon Ingram's list of priorities when designing this weapon, otherwise this oversized machine pistol wouldn't be missing a more convenient place to put your non-trigger hand out of the box, or be saddled with an inconveniently fast firing rate. There is [http://www.max-11.com/ a conversion kit] that fixes those problems, however, and something like that would be nice to see in a movie one day. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:16, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | :Clearly, ergonomics or controllability were not high on Gordon Ingram's list of priorities when designing this weapon, otherwise this oversized machine pistol wouldn't be missing a more convenient place to put your non-trigger hand out of the box, or be saddled with an inconveniently fast firing rate. There is [http://www.max-11.com/ a conversion kit] that fixes those problems, however, and something like that would be nice to see in a movie one day. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:16, 4 November 2011 (CDT) | ||
::Um, I was talking about the MasterPiece Arms MPA930T. :\ Even though it's not that good I still think the regular MAC-10 looks fairly cool. | ::Um, I was talking about the MasterPiece Arms MPA930T. :\ Even though it's not that good I still think the regular MAC-10 looks fairly cool. | ||
[[Image:MPA930SST.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MasterPiece Arms MPA930SST semi-auto civilian "mini pistol" - 9x19mm]] | |||
Had the wrong version, but I'll leave the old one up too since it has discussion. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:29, 7 November 2011 (CST) | |||
:Still a silly looking gun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 7 November 2011 (CST) | |||
What round capacity is that extended magazine on the MPA9305? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 12:33, 9 November 2011 (CST) | |||
:30 [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:35, 9 November 2011 (CST) | |||
==Vietnam== | ==Vietnam== | ||
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Ok, sign your posts, and be more specific about what you want. Do you mean the [[Congo]] page? If you mean something else, you can make it yourself. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 08:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC) | Ok, sign your posts, and be more specific about what you want. Do you mean the [[Congo]] page? If you mean something else, you can make it yourself. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 08:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
== MAC-10 used by german special forces == | |||
Hello, | |||
the article claims that the MAC-10 was used by West-German special-ops at one time. I'm quite familiar with the german military and police forces, and I have never heard of the MAC-10 being used by either of them execpt maybe for evaluation. Can somebody specify which unit is supposed to have used the gun? Thank you in advance. | |||
[[User:Gmb|Gmb]] 01:36, 5 March 2012 (CST) | |||
==Possible deletion?== | |||
[[Image:US Ingram M10 9x19mm submachine gun by Military Armament Corp with barrel extension.jpg|thumb|401px|none|MAC-10 with a similar barrel extension - 9x19mm]] | |||
The updated picture on this file is clearly not a MAC-10 but rather most likely a Cobray since it has the lengthened receiver. I tried to revert it to the older pic (which is an Ingram) but it seems that might not have worked.. If need be, there's another picture of this type anyway - I'd be happy to replace this pic with the other one on the pages it's used on (there ain't that many) if someone thinks this can be deleted. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:44, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
: The update of an image becomes visible only after some time. Or you can change the size of the thumb for 1 px, and the new version of the image would be seen immediatly (like I've done with the image above). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:22, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::: Yeah I see it now, it's cool. I didn't think about the 1px thing. Anyway, since the reversion went fine deleting the 'real' pic is now kinda optional, either way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:55, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::Deleted. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:59, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Difference between MAC-10/11 in terms of appearance? == | |||
Is there a way to tell them apart? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 04:41, 27 November 2017 (EST) | |||
: Mainly just size - the receiver on a 11 is not as tall as that on a 10 and components like the front sight, cocking knob and the regular folding stock appear larger on the 11 opposed to the 10. It is pretty subtle though. The stock is probably your best bet - notice how when it looks folded 'normal' it has a gap between it and the rear sight, as opposed to the MAC-10 where it actually touches the sight, an above MAC-11 image shows it folded to where it touches the sight, note there how it has a steeper angle that that of the 10 because of the shorter receiver. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 12:55, 27 November 2017 (EST) | |||
:::The MAC-11 is pretty much just a baby version of the MAC-10 so it is pretty difficult to tell them apart. Pretty much the only reliable difference is that the MAC-11 is much smaller, being not much bigger than a regular pistol as oppsoed to the MAC-10 which is more like a brick. [http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/MAC10%20vs%20MAC11.jpg These] guns are airsoft, but the comaprison shows the difference in size between the two models. The reason I say that size is the only "reliable" indicator that I am aware of is that there are other indicators, but the problem is that the features of these guns vary a lot with manufacturer and when they were made. For example, a lot of MAC-10s have a flared sections on each size of the bottom of the magazine well, but not all. However, I beleive that this feature is never present on MAC-11s, so if you see this it is safe to say that it is a MAC-10. Similarly, I have never seen a MAC-10 without the holes in the sight protectors, so if there is a gun without holes it is a MAC-11, however not all MAC-11s have these holes. If it is hard to judge the size of a gun, the best you can really do is look at the proportions. For example, on an 11 the stock release button will be closer to the grip than the back of the receiver and on a 10 it is the other way round, and the back of the ejection port on 11s tends to be farther forward relative to the back of the magazine well, stuff like that. Another rough sort of guide is that on a 10 the ejection port is kind of the same size as the opening of the trigger guard, as opposed to the 11 where it is noticeably smaller. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:07, 27 November 2017 (EST) | |||
:::: Yeah, the stock is a good option to use. But in some media, the ones using them fire them without showing the stock, so that makes it a bit harder to examine. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 00:46, 28 November 2017 (EST) | |||
== "Barrel Extensions" == | |||
[[File:Ingram MAC 10.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MAC-10 with detachable barrel extension - .45 ACP]] | |||
I've noticed that these guns (and some others) are often seen with shrouded "barrel extensions". Does this mean that they just have a smooth tube attached to the end of the barrel, or that the extension is an actual piece of rifled barrel screwed onto the existing one? And, if not the latter, would such a thing be feasible? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:26, 15 June 2020 (EDT) | |||
== Ingram Mark III, IV, and V == | |||
So, I came across a picture of a supposed catalog that allegedly was sent to Spanish speaking countries during the 80s in that weird time when Ingram tried branching out to global militaries, and found some absolutely ridiculous offerings, like a carbine sized version of the MAC-10 in ''.45 Winchester and .50 Ingram Magnum.'' I tried looking info online, and I could only find basic information, and some dude making jokes about compensation, would anyone happen to have any more information about them? | |||
Here are the photos I managed to snag from an auction and a forum. | |||
https://imgur.com/a/D9xVjzJ | |||
I'm fairly certain the photos are the wrong way around, since what it's calling the Mark IV which is chambered in .45 ACP is smaller than the one chambered in .22 Winchester Magnum. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 05:39, 12 February 2022 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 05:20, 19 October 2023
Additional Variants
Screen-Used Variants
Other Variants
MAC-10/11
Other derivatives
Airsoft Images
Discussion
Such a silly looking gun. :D - Mr. Wolf 15:57, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Clearly, ergonomics or controllability were not high on Gordon Ingram's list of priorities when designing this weapon, otherwise this oversized machine pistol wouldn't be missing a more convenient place to put your non-trigger hand out of the box, or be saddled with an inconveniently fast firing rate. There is a conversion kit that fixes those problems, however, and something like that would be nice to see in a movie one day. --Mazryonh 22:16, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
- Um, I was talking about the MasterPiece Arms MPA930T. :\ Even though it's not that good I still think the regular MAC-10 looks fairly cool.
Had the wrong version, but I'll leave the old one up too since it has discussion. Evil Tim 05:29, 7 November 2011 (CST)
- Still a silly looking gun. :D - Mr. Wolf 15:25, 7 November 2011 (CST)
What round capacity is that extended magazine on the MPA9305? --Mazryonh 12:33, 9 November 2011 (CST)
- 30 Evil Tim 12:35, 9 November 2011 (CST)
Vietnam
I'm not sure, but a website claimed that the MAC-10 saw service in the Vietnam War. Is that true? - Kenny99 17:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
It's true that the original MAC-10 did see some limited use by Special Forces over the years. Basically it was considered a throwaway weapon that could be used and then ditched if one needed to. The suppressor it had at the time was great for that era and it ended the lives of a few sentries. Still the Uzi was a superior weapon that ended up way more popular. Rockwolf66 05:10, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I remember a long time ago reading an article in Soldier of Fortune which included some pics of SOF founder Robert K. Brown from his 5th SF Group days wearing the MAC-10 in a hip holster arrangement. The article included something which stated that the US military allegedly was considering replacing the M1911 with the MAC-10 and how Brown, among others, was grateful that such a thing never happened. --Charon68 06:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Congo
How come there isn't a link to Congo
New links
Can anyone add Congo 1995 on to the site. beggarsclan
Ok, sign your posts, and be more specific about what you want. Do you mean the Congo page? If you mean something else, you can make it yourself. --Jackbel 08:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
MAC-10 used by german special forces
Hello,
the article claims that the MAC-10 was used by West-German special-ops at one time. I'm quite familiar with the german military and police forces, and I have never heard of the MAC-10 being used by either of them execpt maybe for evaluation. Can somebody specify which unit is supposed to have used the gun? Thank you in advance.
Gmb 01:36, 5 March 2012 (CST)
Possible deletion?
The updated picture on this file is clearly not a MAC-10 but rather most likely a Cobray since it has the lengthened receiver. I tried to revert it to the older pic (which is an Ingram) but it seems that might not have worked.. If need be, there's another picture of this type anyway - I'd be happy to replace this pic with the other one on the pages it's used on (there ain't that many) if someone thinks this can be deleted. StanTheMan (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
- The update of an image becomes visible only after some time. Or you can change the size of the thumb for 1 px, and the new version of the image would be seen immediatly (like I've done with the image above). Greg-Z (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
- Yeah I see it now, it's cool. I didn't think about the 1px thing. Anyway, since the reversion went fine deleting the 'real' pic is now kinda optional, either way. StanTheMan (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
- Deleted. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
- Yeah I see it now, it's cool. I didn't think about the 1px thing. Anyway, since the reversion went fine deleting the 'real' pic is now kinda optional, either way. StanTheMan (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2013 (EDT)
Difference between MAC-10/11 in terms of appearance?
Is there a way to tell them apart? Ominae (talk) 04:41, 27 November 2017 (EST)
- Mainly just size - the receiver on a 11 is not as tall as that on a 10 and components like the front sight, cocking knob and the regular folding stock appear larger on the 11 opposed to the 10. It is pretty subtle though. The stock is probably your best bet - notice how when it looks folded 'normal' it has a gap between it and the rear sight, as opposed to the MAC-10 where it actually touches the sight, an above MAC-11 image shows it folded to where it touches the sight, note there how it has a steeper angle that that of the 10 because of the shorter receiver. StanTheMan (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2017 (EST)
- The MAC-11 is pretty much just a baby version of the MAC-10 so it is pretty difficult to tell them apart. Pretty much the only reliable difference is that the MAC-11 is much smaller, being not much bigger than a regular pistol as oppsoed to the MAC-10 which is more like a brick. These guns are airsoft, but the comaprison shows the difference in size between the two models. The reason I say that size is the only "reliable" indicator that I am aware of is that there are other indicators, but the problem is that the features of these guns vary a lot with manufacturer and when they were made. For example, a lot of MAC-10s have a flared sections on each size of the bottom of the magazine well, but not all. However, I beleive that this feature is never present on MAC-11s, so if you see this it is safe to say that it is a MAC-10. Similarly, I have never seen a MAC-10 without the holes in the sight protectors, so if there is a gun without holes it is a MAC-11, however not all MAC-11s have these holes. If it is hard to judge the size of a gun, the best you can really do is look at the proportions. For example, on an 11 the stock release button will be closer to the grip than the back of the receiver and on a 10 it is the other way round, and the back of the ejection port on 11s tends to be farther forward relative to the back of the magazine well, stuff like that. Another rough sort of guide is that on a 10 the ejection port is kind of the same size as the opening of the trigger guard, as opposed to the 11 where it is noticeably smaller. --commando552 (talk) 13:07, 27 November 2017 (EST)
"Barrel Extensions"
I've noticed that these guns (and some others) are often seen with shrouded "barrel extensions". Does this mean that they just have a smooth tube attached to the end of the barrel, or that the extension is an actual piece of rifled barrel screwed onto the existing one? And, if not the latter, would such a thing be feasible? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2020 (EDT)
Ingram Mark III, IV, and V
So, I came across a picture of a supposed catalog that allegedly was sent to Spanish speaking countries during the 80s in that weird time when Ingram tried branching out to global militaries, and found some absolutely ridiculous offerings, like a carbine sized version of the MAC-10 in .45 Winchester and .50 Ingram Magnum. I tried looking info online, and I could only find basic information, and some dude making jokes about compensation, would anyone happen to have any more information about them? Here are the photos I managed to snag from an auction and a forum. https://imgur.com/a/D9xVjzJ I'm fairly certain the photos are the wrong way around, since what it's calling the Mark IV which is chambered in .45 ACP is smaller than the one chambered in .22 Winchester Magnum. --yocapo32 (talk) 05:39, 12 February 2022 (EST)