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==Reliability== | |||
Anyone else laugh at the people who buy a hi point handgun and hype it up to be as good as any gun on the market? They are jammomatics, have a poor grip, crappy trigger and shoot minute of tractor trailer, and people say "well its 150 bucks its a great gun." | Anyone else laugh at the people who buy a hi point handgun and hype it up to be as good as any gun on the market? They are jammomatics, have a poor grip, crappy trigger and shoot minute of tractor trailer, and people say "well its 150 bucks its a great gun." | ||
To be fair, the carbines are ugly but sure shoot nice. | To be fair, the carbines are ugly but sure shoot nice. | ||
I have a C9 and a JHP. Bought the JHP used for $120 OTD at the pawn: never one single jam in about 4 boxes. The C9 was a jammer until I decided to only load 5 or 6 rounds at a time for the first 3 or 4 boxes and since that I can shoot full mags with it. | I have a C9 and a JHP. Bought the JHP used for $120 OTD at the pawn: never one single jam in about 4 boxes. The C9 was a jammer until I decided to only load 5 or 6 rounds at a time for the first 3 or 4 boxes and since that I can shoot full mags with it. | ||
Nope, never jams. | Nope, never jams. | ||
Yes, cheaply made: the trigger is heavy and on the new C9 sometimes takes a second pull (!) to shoot. But I expect that to go away after a while. The sigh is crappy as well. The slide is pot metal. Etc... etc... hey what do you expect for the price? | Yes, cheaply made: the trigger is heavy and on the new C9 sometimes takes a second pull (!) to shoot. But I expect that to go away after a while. The sigh is crappy as well. The slide is pot metal. Etc... etc... hey what do you expect for the price? | ||
Yet it is pretty accurate and surprises a lot of people. I also happen to shoot better than about 90% of the regular shooters at the range, but then again it's the shooter, not the gun. | Yet it is pretty accurate and surprises a lot of people. I also happen to shoot better than about 90% of the regular shooters at the range, but then again it's the shooter, not the gun. | ||
If you are loaded with money, sure: buy a $1000 gun. But if you are a lousy shot and expect that money will make the difference, prffftt!!! | If you are loaded with money, sure: buy a $1000 gun. But if you are a lousy shot and expect that money will make the difference, prffftt!!! | ||
In other words, great for beginners/inexperienced people and those that don't have enough for a brand name rifle. | |||
These things are crap. Feel like crap and shoot like crap. I borrowed my friend's .380 model and banged out two boxes worth of ammo. 1/2 way through the second box the rear sight came loose. I didn't have any tools on me so I finished off the box with the rear sight wobbling around. Went home and gave it back to my friend. She went to tighten the sight back down and discovered that splitting was starting where the screws went. Not a couple of weeks after that I went to a gunshow where a guy had several Hi-Points on his table and his sales pitch was that they'd outshoot a Glock for a fraction of the price. I just had to laugh. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | These things are crap. Feel like crap and shoot like crap. I borrowed my friend's .380 model and banged out two boxes worth of ammo. 1/2 way through the second box the rear sight came loose. I didn't have any tools on me so I finished off the box with the rear sight wobbling around. Went home and gave it back to my friend. She went to tighten the sight back down and discovered that splitting was starting where the screws went. Not a couple of weeks after that I went to a gunshow where a guy had several Hi-Points on his table and his sales pitch was that they'd outshoot a Glock for a fraction of the price. I just had to laugh. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
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I have a C9 that I purchased as my first firearm, ever. I paid around $150 for it NIB. I have had it for quite a while now. It is still my favorite handgun to shoot and I will never sell it. After the first 200-300 break-in rounds, my C9 never jammed, still doesn't. Most of that break-in period was due to me learning how to shoot a direct blow-back firearm. I would venture to say that there are two types of people that bash HiPoints: those who have never handled a HiPoint and are merely ignorantly repeating what they have heard or read, and those who have handled a HiPoint and are ignorant of how to correctly handle and accurately shoot a direct blow-back firearm. If you don't handle a direct blow-back gun correctly, guess what, it will jam. Period. End of story. A gun, or any other product for that matter, can not do what is was not designed to do. In this case, a HiPoint can not function without the full force of the recoil cycling the slide. If a shooter allows their wrist and forearm to bend and flex while shooting, affectionately known as limp-wristing, then their wrist and forearm will absorb the recoil of the gun and will not allow the full force of the recoil to cycle the slide, jamming the gun. However, if a shooter is familiar with this type of firearm and knows how to keep their wrist and forearm stiff and firm, then the full force of the recoil will correctly cycle the slide and the gun will work flawlessly, with the exception of any physical defects. The feed lips on HiPoint magazines are notoriously incorrectly spaced and may cause double feeds to happen if they are not adjusted slightly, a manufacturing flaw that is possible with any firearm magazine. However, the three magazines that I own have feed lips that vary from being so tight it is difficult to load a round to being loose and widely spaced. All three perform exceptionally without fail. I have fired roughly over 9,000 rounds through my C9, all but 200-300 were flawlessly fired, with the exception of ammunition malfunctions, such as rounds that Fail To Fire after being struck by the firing pin. HiPoints are quality, made in America, inexpensive firearms that fill a niche in the firearm market. They are accurate and reliable provided the shooter does his/her part. HiPoint also has THE best warranty in the market, it is a no-questions-asked, lifetime warranty, for the lifetime of the gun, that is transferred with the gun regardless of whether you are the first owner or the 10th. I enjoy my HiPoint, as do others of a large community within the community of firearm owners. | I have a C9 that I purchased as my first firearm, ever. I paid around $150 for it NIB. I have had it for quite a while now. It is still my favorite handgun to shoot and I will never sell it. After the first 200-300 break-in rounds, my C9 never jammed, still doesn't. Most of that break-in period was due to me learning how to shoot a direct blow-back firearm. I would venture to say that there are two types of people that bash HiPoints: those who have never handled a HiPoint and are merely ignorantly repeating what they have heard or read, and those who have handled a HiPoint and are ignorant of how to correctly handle and accurately shoot a direct blow-back firearm. If you don't handle a direct blow-back gun correctly, guess what, it will jam. Period. End of story. A gun, or any other product for that matter, can not do what is was not designed to do. In this case, a HiPoint can not function without the full force of the recoil cycling the slide. If a shooter allows their wrist and forearm to bend and flex while shooting, affectionately known as limp-wristing, then their wrist and forearm will absorb the recoil of the gun and will not allow the full force of the recoil to cycle the slide, jamming the gun. However, if a shooter is familiar with this type of firearm and knows how to keep their wrist and forearm stiff and firm, then the full force of the recoil will correctly cycle the slide and the gun will work flawlessly, with the exception of any physical defects. The feed lips on HiPoint magazines are notoriously incorrectly spaced and may cause double feeds to happen if they are not adjusted slightly, a manufacturing flaw that is possible with any firearm magazine. However, the three magazines that I own have feed lips that vary from being so tight it is difficult to load a round to being loose and widely spaced. All three perform exceptionally without fail. I have fired roughly over 9,000 rounds through my C9, all but 200-300 were flawlessly fired, with the exception of ammunition malfunctions, such as rounds that Fail To Fire after being struck by the firing pin. HiPoints are quality, made in America, inexpensive firearms that fill a niche in the firearm market. They are accurate and reliable provided the shooter does his/her part. HiPoint also has THE best warranty in the market, it is a no-questions-asked, lifetime warranty, for the lifetime of the gun, that is transferred with the gun regardless of whether you are the first owner or the 10th. I enjoy my HiPoint, as do others of a large community within the community of firearm owners. | ||
:I have shot a HiPoint. It jammed on the first magazine. I wasn't limp-wristing it. I know damn well how to hold a pistol correctly, and I resent the implication that anyone who considers HiPoints to be of sub-standard quality to be either ignorant or limp-wristed shooters. Not everyone on this site is a 14-year-old CoD fanboy who writes off cheap guns as being bad. I love Tokarevs (Russian or clone), and consider them to be a genuine alternative to the HiPoint. I don't give a rip where it was made, just that it works.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] | |||
And as as been said theres more to guns than reliablity, there is balance, how it points, confort in hand, trigger pull, sights.....all those suck on the top heavy heavy triggered poor pointing hi point. I just hate how anybody who brings up anything negative about hi point is written off as a monacle-wearing guy sitting in a red velvet chair in a smoking jacket puffing on a cuban while talking to his buddies about how much he hates poor people or however fanboys imagine us "elitist gun snobs." Now hi point carbines, those are okay. Never seen anybody claim a hi poitn carbine can go toe to toe with a ar-15. | |||
Gecko45, is that you? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:39, 2 December 2018 (EST) | |||
== Making a Hi-Point "tacticool" == | |||
Despite the reputation that handguns from this manufacturer have, a parody youtube channel tried to see what it would take to make a Hi-Point handgun into "an elite competition and combat weapons platform" with "actionable upgrades" including a red dot sight and and a "proprietory (sic) unobtainium coating" that allows for "sub-MOA" accuracy and a trigger with only "a millimeter" of travel. You can see the video here: | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c | |||
On a more serious note, a couple enterprising individuals have actually managed to safely convert a Hi-Point pistol to 10mm Auto: | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UToeNXDL9WY | |||
I'm amazed it actually works without blowing up. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 21:52, 18 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Better Picture for Carbine == | |||
I don't know how images for weapons go, but I was wondering if anyone here is able to take a photo of a stock 995 Carbine. Y'know, without the scope or camo. I have neither the gun nor any kind of decent studio setup. It's not pressing or anything, I'm just wondering if anyone could. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 16:30, 6 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:I had the same thought. I'm on it. [[User:Votesmall|Votesmall]] ([[User talk:Votesmall|talk]]) 12:23, 2 December 2018 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 23:21, 20 September 2022
Discussion
Reliability
Anyone else laugh at the people who buy a hi point handgun and hype it up to be as good as any gun on the market? They are jammomatics, have a poor grip, crappy trigger and shoot minute of tractor trailer, and people say "well its 150 bucks its a great gun." To be fair, the carbines are ugly but sure shoot nice. I have a C9 and a JHP. Bought the JHP used for $120 OTD at the pawn: never one single jam in about 4 boxes. The C9 was a jammer until I decided to only load 5 or 6 rounds at a time for the first 3 or 4 boxes and since that I can shoot full mags with it. Nope, never jams. Yes, cheaply made: the trigger is heavy and on the new C9 sometimes takes a second pull (!) to shoot. But I expect that to go away after a while. The sigh is crappy as well. The slide is pot metal. Etc... etc... hey what do you expect for the price? Yet it is pretty accurate and surprises a lot of people. I also happen to shoot better than about 90% of the regular shooters at the range, but then again it's the shooter, not the gun. If you are loaded with money, sure: buy a $1000 gun. But if you are a lousy shot and expect that money will make the difference, prffftt!!! In other words, great for beginners/inexperienced people and those that don't have enough for a brand name rifle.
These things are crap. Feel like crap and shoot like crap. I borrowed my friend's .380 model and banged out two boxes worth of ammo. 1/2 way through the second box the rear sight came loose. I didn't have any tools on me so I finished off the box with the rear sight wobbling around. Went home and gave it back to my friend. She went to tighten the sight back down and discovered that splitting was starting where the screws went. Not a couple of weeks after that I went to a gunshow where a guy had several Hi-Points on his table and his sales pitch was that they'd outshoot a Glock for a fraction of the price. I just had to laugh. DeltaOne 08:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I own two gifted one first off I am a trained gunsmith and otherwise firearms expert, a few technical points they are straight blowback. This makes them heavier and cheaper to make, it also makes them recoil much less and be more accurate. As for the jamming neither of mine ever have in thousands of round including very poor reloads. I have a newer model 9mm compact that one got gifted and still have my .45 jhp, the 9mm is made by a different firm and is a little smoother feeling. These guns shred Glocks, Xds, P99s and 1911s for accuracy and felt recoil they are also the only ones listed that are actually +p rated. The bottom line is paying more for something might make you feel better but won't make you shoot better. For $100-$150 you can beat them up NEVER clean them and they will shoot just fine. The only bad thing is if you want to clean them you will need a pin punch. If you want more info send me a line joshjeffords@gmail.com
People say you cant beat em for the price (debatable) but then act like since its cheap its better than everything else on price alone and if you dont like it your a gun snob. Then say theyll go toe to toe with SIG any day of the week, so yeah it gets tiring listening to the fanboys.
So, fine, you spent $1000 on a foreign-made pistol and got outscored by a guy with a less expensive, US-made pistol. Boo-hoo-hoo. I only spent $150 on my C-9 because I mostly shoot bulleye and don't want to use my Buck Mark nor my 1911 for self-defense because the first one is 22LR (!) and the second one is set up for shooting wadcutters at 25 yards. Each time I take the C9 to the range, I shoot better than most of the folks shooting 9mm around me. It's actually a very fun gun to shoot. I wish it had a slide release and an ejector pin, but that'll do the job if one day I need to defend my home. And no, never jams. Only shoot Federal and Magtech through it. What should amaze you is not those who use these guns and love them, but those who feel as if they needed to trash Hi Point. What's your deal?
My deal is people who act like since its inexpensive its as good as a SIG. Good for the price? Sure. Understand some people dont have the money for a better gun? Sure, you gotta use what you can get. But, seriously, hi point owners need to notice the guns limitations, dont say "Why buy a glock get a hi point and save the rest for ammo" or something like that. If I ever need a budget auto ill get a 280 dollar ruger p95. Much better gun. Hell im not bashing hi point owners but I am saying that some think they have this awesome p[istol when they need to notice what it is....a budget shooter for those who cant afford better. Get my drift? It aint a sig, dont claim it is. I know your not, but go to any gun forum out there and somebody will make that claim.
I have a C9 that I purchased as my first firearm, ever. I paid around $150 for it NIB. I have had it for quite a while now. It is still my favorite handgun to shoot and I will never sell it. After the first 200-300 break-in rounds, my C9 never jammed, still doesn't. Most of that break-in period was due to me learning how to shoot a direct blow-back firearm. I would venture to say that there are two types of people that bash HiPoints: those who have never handled a HiPoint and are merely ignorantly repeating what they have heard or read, and those who have handled a HiPoint and are ignorant of how to correctly handle and accurately shoot a direct blow-back firearm. If you don't handle a direct blow-back gun correctly, guess what, it will jam. Period. End of story. A gun, or any other product for that matter, can not do what is was not designed to do. In this case, a HiPoint can not function without the full force of the recoil cycling the slide. If a shooter allows their wrist and forearm to bend and flex while shooting, affectionately known as limp-wristing, then their wrist and forearm will absorb the recoil of the gun and will not allow the full force of the recoil to cycle the slide, jamming the gun. However, if a shooter is familiar with this type of firearm and knows how to keep their wrist and forearm stiff and firm, then the full force of the recoil will correctly cycle the slide and the gun will work flawlessly, with the exception of any physical defects. The feed lips on HiPoint magazines are notoriously incorrectly spaced and may cause double feeds to happen if they are not adjusted slightly, a manufacturing flaw that is possible with any firearm magazine. However, the three magazines that I own have feed lips that vary from being so tight it is difficult to load a round to being loose and widely spaced. All three perform exceptionally without fail. I have fired roughly over 9,000 rounds through my C9, all but 200-300 were flawlessly fired, with the exception of ammunition malfunctions, such as rounds that Fail To Fire after being struck by the firing pin. HiPoints are quality, made in America, inexpensive firearms that fill a niche in the firearm market. They are accurate and reliable provided the shooter does his/her part. HiPoint also has THE best warranty in the market, it is a no-questions-asked, lifetime warranty, for the lifetime of the gun, that is transferred with the gun regardless of whether you are the first owner or the 10th. I enjoy my HiPoint, as do others of a large community within the community of firearm owners.
- I have shot a HiPoint. It jammed on the first magazine. I wasn't limp-wristing it. I know damn well how to hold a pistol correctly, and I resent the implication that anyone who considers HiPoints to be of sub-standard quality to be either ignorant or limp-wristed shooters. Not everyone on this site is a 14-year-old CoD fanboy who writes off cheap guns as being bad. I love Tokarevs (Russian or clone), and consider them to be a genuine alternative to the HiPoint. I don't give a rip where it was made, just that it works.--PistolJunkie
And as as been said theres more to guns than reliablity, there is balance, how it points, confort in hand, trigger pull, sights.....all those suck on the top heavy heavy triggered poor pointing hi point. I just hate how anybody who brings up anything negative about hi point is written off as a monacle-wearing guy sitting in a red velvet chair in a smoking jacket puffing on a cuban while talking to his buddies about how much he hates poor people or however fanboys imagine us "elitist gun snobs." Now hi point carbines, those are okay. Never seen anybody claim a hi poitn carbine can go toe to toe with a ar-15.
Gecko45, is that you? Spartan198 (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2018 (EST)
Making a Hi-Point "tacticool"
Despite the reputation that handguns from this manufacturer have, a parody youtube channel tried to see what it would take to make a Hi-Point handgun into "an elite competition and combat weapons platform" with "actionable upgrades" including a red dot sight and and a "proprietory (sic) unobtainium coating" that allows for "sub-MOA" accuracy and a trigger with only "a millimeter" of travel. You can see the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c
On a more serious note, a couple enterprising individuals have actually managed to safely convert a Hi-Point pistol to 10mm Auto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UToeNXDL9WY
I'm amazed it actually works without blowing up. --Mazryonh (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2015 (EDT)
Better Picture for Carbine
I don't know how images for weapons go, but I was wondering if anyone here is able to take a photo of a stock 995 Carbine. Y'know, without the scope or camo. I have neither the gun nor any kind of decent studio setup. It's not pressing or anything, I'm just wondering if anyone could. --Clonehunter (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2016 (EDT)