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It's harder to find the scenes with guns because some of these guns are only seen once or in a couple episodes. One needs to really pay attention. The guns only seen once are the hardest to find in the haystack of 10 seasons
For a short summary of the most commonly used alien weapons on the show, see [[User:Milkovich#Stargate_SG-1_alien_weapons|here]]
This will be another great project because I know where to find pictures of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, now which episode has a specfic gun will be the hard part.
The dressed up Dressed up Beretta M92F is one of the "Timecop" pistols, which were made from Taurus PT92s.
==New gun pic==
If anyone was wondering about my change that I immediately 'undid' myself, I posted a pic and then deleted it because (stupid me) I put the wrong sight mount on the pistol and only realized it when I edited the page. I will repost the SG1 pistol shot when I get the correct sight mount. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
==Stinger & AT4 appearance==
I think Stinger missiles made another appearance in the last episode of Season 6 "Full Circle" when Teal'c and other kids on Abydos use them and AT4s to defend against Anubis' forces. One of the Stingers missed the glider, while Teal'c randomly fired another one and shot down another glider.
AT4 made the first appearance in Season 3 episode "Forever in a Day" when Carter picked up a AT4 from a fallen Marine and used it to destroy a staff cannon position, which is a correct application of AT4. It didn't show up again until Season 6 when people just start using it as an anti-aircraft weapons.
Interesting/Of Note: In the picture of the AT4 being fired, it is fired from the left shoulder. The AT4 is always fired from the right shoulder due to the flip up sights, safety levers, and trigger. I won't say it can't be fired from the left shoulder, I will say it would be awkward getting everything in a comfortable and functional location from what I remember. The directions on it even tell the user to use the right shoulder only.
I know it's been a while since this was posted, but the image in question looks like it's been flipped, since the sight covers are still on the top of the weapon, rather than underneath like you would expect them to be it it was being fired left handed. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
== M249s ==
Can we get some evidence that the M249s are mockups rather than real ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:You missed our forum discussion here: http://www.imfdb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=323
:Anyway, the M249s in this show, ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]'', and many other movies and TV shows filmed in Canada are actually Korean K3 LMGs. The easiest way to tell is because they have a different style front and rear sight, but besides that, they look a lot like the SPW variant of the FN Minimi. One of our other admins, who is an armorer and gunsmith in the business, has confirmed that this was done because there was a time when armorers had a lot of difficulty acquiring real M249s. We're hoping to get pictures of the K3s (better ones than what we have now) soon so that we can illustrate the difference a bit more clearly. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
==does anyone think==
Does anyone think we should add the energy weapons such as staff weapons and zat guns? I know they are not real firearms but they do play a large part in the show and they are cool.
:They might be cool, but they are not real weapons. I don't want to put the time to do such a thing. This is Internet Movie FIrearms Database, not alien and fantasy weapons database [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I know I was just thinking that they are a very importiant part of the show. Just look at how many times zat guns have saved them. haha
there are article on fictional guns...there should a Internet Movie weapon Database covering all weapons in movies. Rex095
:I guess it shouldn't be too bad, but if you are going to post crappy low res shots, forget it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
== Luger? ==
Can anyone ID the handgun used by Teal'c to threaten Netan in Season 9, Episode 20, Camelot? I know this a bit of a long shot because the weapon in question is only seen for a few seconds and from crappy angles. I think it might be a Luger P08. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
:I think it is. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
[[Image:SG1Luger.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)== not a M4 ==
this pick really dosent look like a M4 carbine in lookis more like a Diemaco C8 carbine --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC) [[Image:1SGM4A1.jpg]]
:Because it has an Elcan? Some of our Canadian armorer friends have told us that Diemaco/Colt Canada does not sell its weapons to film armorers, so it is pretty much impossible to see any C7 or C8 rifles in film/TV. We have mistakenly referred to some M16/CAR1-5 rifles as Diemaco weapons in the past, but this is a mistake that needs to be corrected. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:There really isn't much distinct differences between the 2 carbines at a glance. You see so many ELCAN sights is because the show was made in Canada, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:: That is an M4, it has a stepped barrel. The C8 has an M16A1 style barrel without the M203 step. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
ok thanks for clearing that up --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
==The "Carter Special"==
The page says that this gun is a cut-down Armalite M15A4. However, that lower receiver is quite clearly Olympic Arms - you can tell by the white writing on the right side of the magazine well, plus I watched the episode, and it's possible to see the OA crest on the left side, too. I would guess that this gun is probably a modified K23B "stubby" with the front sight removed, a free-floating hand guard installed, and the thumbhole stock added. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well I posted the image, but I don't remember calling it an Armalite. Let's change it to an OA. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::It's a K23B, not an OA93. But I will correct it myself... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::: The Stargate Wiki has some additional infos on the parts used. http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Micro_16_assault_rifle --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::They're also wrong about the type of weapon that the Carter Special was based on, and I told them so in the discussion. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've amended the base weapon on there. Is there anything else that needs correcting? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yes, that stock is not from an AR-180, it's a "Bell & Carlson AR-15 Thumbhole Stock". --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 16:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::: On there, not here. I trust the info here more than there. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
==The M16A2s/C7s==
(moved from the page)
:''These are all Colt Model 715s, which are equivalent to the Diemaco C7, not M16A2s. If you look closely, you can see they all have the A1-style rear sight (adjustable for windage but NOT elevation, unlike the A2-style rear sight).''
::''I agree. That's what we get for filming a show in Canada.... :) ''
:::Al Vrkljan told me on the ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)]]'' page that Canadian armorers can't acquire Colt Canada rifles, either, because they only sell to military/LE. But those guns do look ''very'' C7-ish to me...
well tennachly they don`t have to own them ,lots of militarys have leanded weapons to tv and movie armourers. but in this case they are not. --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 23:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::I can't imagine there's any military (outside of the poorest Third World countries) that would ever lend its weapons to film armorers. Motion picture blanks are very different from military blanks (they're loaded with far more powder, so they'll produce a bigger flash on camera), so you can't just loan an M16 to a film's property master, stick on a military BFA, and expect it to fire full-flash blanks. Plus there are legal issues involved, I'm sure.
::Anyway, the Canadian armory which supplies weapons to ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' also supplies to lots of other movies and TV shows filmed in British Columbia. Since that conversation we had on the SG1 page, we have noticed that the "C7" rifles that this armory stocks are actually Olympic Arms K4Bs (which look identical to the C7, except that they have the distinctive "Stowaway" pistol grip). I can pretty much guarantee you that the "C7s" in ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' are these same guns. In which case, they definitely didn't come from the Canadian armed forces. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
== Missing Guns ==
Does someone want to check out season 1, episode 18, Tin Man? I saw an Uzi and what looked like a Dragunov sniper rifle. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: [[Image:SG1 - S6EP15PKM.jpg|thumb|500px|none|One of the Russian SG members returning from Nirrti´s hideout, carrying a [[PKM]].]]
: This one? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Well no, that's from season 6, episode 16. But good point, that also looks like a Dragunov. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Are you sure it´s Tin Man? The only weapons visible in that episode are the standard MP5´s if I remember correctly . --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah sorry about that, SG1 has so many episodes that I got confused. I meant season 2, episode 4, Gamekeeper. I'm sure there was an Uzi and a Dragunov being used by the East Germans in O'Neill's flashback. There was also a rifle being used by O'Neill's team for counter-sniping that didn't recognize. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
: Added the Dragunov. I couldn't spot the UZI, though. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 10:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:: It's been bugging me for weeks, but I finnaly remembered where I had seen an UZI on SG1. Micro-UZIs were used twice in season 4. The Secret Sevice used them in episode 5, 'Divide and Conquer' and The NID agents in episode 15, 'Chain Reaction' had them along with some MP5Ks. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 03:32 PM, 28/9/10
== Zastava discussion ==
[[Image:SGAK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
One scene, this Russian SG woman was using what appeared to be an AK47 variant (with a .223 magazine - could be a Type 84, or if the receiver has an RPK reinforcing bar, it could be the Zastava M90 chambered in 5.56mm NATO), but in the next scene, it appeared to be an AK-74.
:''The magazine appears to be Norinco Type 84-style, and there are lots of those in Hollywood's rental armories.''
::''Could be but since SG1 is filmed in Canada, none of the California armorers work on the show and Canadian armorers can still get a lot of stuff that we Americans can't (despite their ridiculous gun restrictions for the 'common folk').
:::Yeah, possibly. I admit the fact that the M70B appears in the show suggests it could be an M90. However, I seem to recall seeing at least one episode of this show where the AK74 I saw was definitely a Type 84 (hooded front sight, smooth receiver cover, plus less-curved mag).
:::: In this episode, the Russian officer asks about O'Neills P90, and then saying that he himself prefers the Serb/Yugoslav Zastava. They are most likely the M85, which is a pretty standard looking AK-74U copy. picture: http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/39/24/32/m85_5_12.jpg
::::: I'm pretty sure he name-checks it as an M85 in that scene. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm not sure it's an M85. The M85 has an under-folding stock, while this weapon has a standard AKS-74-style side folding stock. It looks to me like a regular AKS-74U. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I just watched this episode. The weapon is clearly not a Zastava M85. As best I can tell, it's a [[Norinco Type 84]] that's been modified with a Krinkov parts kit to look like an AKS-74U. It doesn't have the RPK-style heavy receiver of Zastavas, and it has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding (as on the M85). They may have called it a Zastava on the episode, but the prop weapon is something else (not uncommon in movies). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::: So there is no way to be certain about what specific model it is? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 19:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I'd put down that it's what I said - it's a Norinco Type 84 that's been mocked up as an AKS-74U. That's an acceptable identification, even if it's not exactly simple. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
== Cobray and lower handguard ==
[[Image:SG1.1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colonel Reynolds ([[Eric Breker]]) opens fire on the approaching Jaffa Gliders with his M4 in "Lost City, Part 1". Like others, this one has the lower handguard removed to accommodate the Cobray CM203.]]
This is what the caption first read. I edited the last sentence out because I am unsure WHY exactly they would remove the lower handguard. Is there any specific reason or was it done simply for the looks? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Because it's usually done when mounting an underbarrel launcher to an M4? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks for answering the question, I will edit the last sentence back in. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
== MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo ==
I always wondered why SG-1 switched from the MP-7 which they were using when Mitchell joined the team back to the P-90? Production costs? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
They only used the MP7 for a couple episodes and then went back to the P90 and we never see the MP7s again in the main cast. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:That's what I meant. It looked like they were changing weapons to the MP-7 and, if I recall, Mitchell even carried a G-36 for a while. I was wondering why they switched back to the P90 instead of keeping the HK line going. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:How did it look like SG1 were changing weapons? They all used MP7s in exactly one episode! And that was when they were undercover posing as drug dealers. They probably thought the P90 was to recognizable. As for the G36, Mitchell (and Carter once) uses it regularly in missions that require more firepower than usual. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
:: The change to using 5.56s more than P90s was, at least in season 8, more for cost reasons (5.7mm blanks were getting expensive as the company that made them had to start filling military orders for live rounds) After that, I don't know. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::: It was my understanding that the 5.7mm shortage was only temporary, which is why the 'Carter special' from season 7 wasn't reused in the following seasons. Also I remember someone saying in an audio commentary that the main reason they kept using the G36 because they thought it looked cool! [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]]
::Don't quote me on this, but a while back I read that it was partly due to the fact they used Tokyo Marui products as non-firing props. And when TM developed their MP7, they provided them to the show in order to create awareness and take advantage of the airsoft playing viewers and/or cos-players. It makes sense to me, but I think only the armourer would be able to provide the right answer. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 08:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::: In my opinion, appearing in one episode and briefly in another isn't really enough exposure to justify that. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
== Real M16A1 and M249 ==
[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M16.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:SG1 - S2EP15M249.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
As seen in "A Matter of Time", wielded by - what I presume to be - real members of the US military. I am looking for confirmation on these. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
:How do we know they're actual enlisted U.S. military personnel? If the guy in the top image is an actual serviceman, one would expect him to know instinctively not to grip his M16 so close to the barrel and front sight (which get hot when fired).
:The gun IDs appear correct, although I'm trying to figure out why we've seen mostly K3s on the show if the armorers had access to Minimis/M249s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:: The footage was taken at the actual entrance to Cheyenne mountain and with the great display of cooperation on the part of the US Armed forces I´d say that those men being real soldiers is a fair guess. And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency. I will add them to the page now. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::: They are real forces personnel I believe, along with the majority of the soldiers seen in exterior shots of the SGC: it was mentioned once on a DVD commentary that they were real soldiers.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 13:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I have heard it mentioned that the '''establishing shots''' of Cheyenne Mountain's entrance in this show were filmed on-location, but that's JUST establishing shots. The rest of the show, including the action scenes, is filmed in British Columbia. So, I would still be really surprised if those guys are U.S. military personnel, or if that particular scene was filmed on-location. Remember that a good editor can mix footage filmed in two different locations and make it look like the entire scene takes place only in one location.
::::''And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency.''
::::Since you don't know anything about weapons, please take my word for it: That would not be "maximum efficiency" for ANYONE who wants to keep the skin on their hand intact. All AR rifles get '''hot''' around the barrel and front sight post when fired. If you hold an AR the way this guy is doing, you WILL get burned when you shoot (especially on an M16A1, which doesn't have the heavier barrel of later models). Even the most boot Private in the reserves knows this. So if that guy were actually in the Air Force, he would know to grip his M16 properly through muscle memory alone. Thus, I think it is safe to conclude that this guy is an untrained actor who had never held an M16 before working on this show. There's just no way that an enlisted soldier, Marine, or airman would do something that's so obviously wrong. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Especially the Marines. They spend more time training with the rifle than any other branch. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::On the topic of the M16 holding, maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. However, in that episode, the sequence of the soldiers jumping out of jeeps and trucks is definitely on location, as it is in front of the main entrance. Furthermore, one of the soldiers/airmen/whatevers jumping out of a truck seems to be wearing a set of Ranger Body Armour, which has never been shown in another shot as of the show as far as I know, which leads me to believe that there was at least some participation by serving soldiers. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::''maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. ''
:::::Do you really think directors are ''that'' anal? Or that they have that kind of time on their hands? The simplest explanation is that this guy simply didn't have experience with an M16 in real life, and the armorer didn't have time to show him the proper way to hold it. So ''he'' just held it the way he thought seemed cool. You're over-thinking this.
:::::Even if the soldiers leaving their vehicles was filmed on location, that one shot (of this guy holding his M16) could have still been filmed elsewhere. We don't see Cheyenne Mountain in the background, after all, and they do reshoots all the time after principal photography. Also, what is "Ranger Body Armour"? Never heard of any such thing. U.S. military personnel wore the PASGT (vest and helmet) at the time this episode was filmed. PASGT has since been replaced by the Interceptor OTV/IOTV (in the Army) and the Modular Tactical Vest (in the Marines). And all of these vests (or replicas) can be purchased by civilians, so their appearance in the show means nothing. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::IIRC, Ranger Body Armor was a set of armor with kevlar/ceramic ballistic plates that was developed for and mainly used by the 75th Ranger regiment (hence the name) from the early 1990s until the early 2000s. It was the vest that Rangers wore in Somalia and is seen pretty prominently in [[Black Hawk Down]].--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::I see. In that case, Commando552 seems to be suggesting that the producers brought in some actual Army Rangers...just to show them gathering at the complex entrance to point weapons at it? At the very least, if they were real personnel, they'd be USAF perimeter security, not Army Rangers. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I was not suggesting they brought in Army Rangers for the filming of this one scene. I imagine that it is possible that the RBA ended up being used by people other than Rangers, so they may indeed be USAF personnel. As this footage is shot on location at the entrance, it would not have been a case of bringing in personnel, but just using the ones that were already there. I can't remember where I heard it, but have definitely heard in an interview or audio commentary that this footage was stock footage shot not specifically for this episode, but was done when they had the opportunity as it would be needed eventually. Here is a screencap:
:::::::[[Image:13yfqra.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:::::::Also it is worth noting that the other security forces are wearing a leather police type belt, rather than the ALICE webbing they wear in other appearances. It seems possible to me that they are either real security forces, or the production team was given equipment by the USAF to shoot this, as they were on location at Cheyenne. Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 09:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::''Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s ''
:::::::::::What do you mean by "real"? They use real (but blank-converted) M16s in many episodes. Not sure how that's relevant. I watched the episode, and the shots of the M16 and M249 look to me like they could have been filmed later, and mixed in with the footage from the actual complex entrance that was filmed on-location. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::By "real" I meant the fact that they are using genuine M16s rather than the Olympic Arms K4Bs that they use (according to the main article) in every appearance other than stock footage of real USAF personnel guarding the complex entrance, and this one scene in question. I have also watched the episode, and to me it was clear that the shots of people carrying M16A1s and M249s were shot at the mountain entrance, as it was visible in shots from the rear of the soldiers, and it is possible to match the vehicles and personnel with the frontal shots. All I was saying was that the fact that they are not using the regular weapons or tactical equipment that actors as security forces in the show normally used, plus the fact that it was filmed on a base, suggests to me that there was involvement from real US forces personnel, be it in providing equipment or personnel as well. That is just the way I see it, feel free to have your own opinion. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 21:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
== Fake G3SG/1? ==
Not certain, but I believe the sniper rifle used by Oneill in Orpheus isn't an SG/1. The reason I say this is that it has a bolt on bipod rather than the integrated one in the hand-guard, it lacks full auto, it used a different after market cheek riser rather than the one supplied with the SG/1, and (although it is hard to tell from the photos) it seems to lack the secondary setting trigger behind the main one. As an aside, did all SG/1s have this secondary trigger or was it removed at some point, as the photo on the SG/1 page is also lacking it.
::MT2008 pointed out (I think) that most SG1s/SR9s in American (Canada too?) armories are modified G3/HK91s. The original sniper versions are rare and really expensive and HK think we suck and hate us. So it is better to 'chop up' and modify the much cheaper HK91 and make a similar looking rifle. Even so called G3s are HK91s with the G3 trigger pack installed, so nothing is what it seems in movies and television. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Exactly. This is an HK91 mocked up to look like a G3 SG/1. Just as the "M249s" are all mocked-up Daewoo K3s, the "Berettas" in the early episodes were all Taurus PT92s, and the "M203s" are all harmless 37mm Cobray flare launchers. That's Hollywood for you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks for that, assumed it was a HK91, but didn't know how to tell them apart specifically. Should the entry be changed to reflect this or should ti be left as is (I'm new here not sure what the procedure is for mock ups like this)? Also do you happen to know if there was a version of the SG/1 made without the setting trigger, as if not I think the photo on the SG/1 page is of a converted G3. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the page should point out the fact that the G3/SG1 is a mock-up from an HK91. And yes, our own picture (which is itself a real movie gun) also shows a mock-up built from an HK91. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
== Why the ELCAN? ==
One thing has struck me looking through this article is the use of the ELCAN. Why specifically would SGC have chosen the ELCAN over ACOG for their battlefield optic?
This show was made in Canada and it would be natural for the armorer to have ELCAN scopes. Maybe he didn't have ACOGs in his armory. US troops have been seen with the ELCAN before. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
== Unidentified Revolver ==
[[Image:SG1 - S10EP8Rev.jpg|thumb|none|300px|As seen in "Memento Mori", Season 10.]]
--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 19:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Rossi Model 971--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Nice! Many thanks. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Rossi971.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Rossi M971 with 2.5" Barrel - .357 Magnum. This version is also purposed with compensator.]]
== Heckler & Koch SL8 ==
Can someone tell me which episode this weapon was seen in? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:41, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:The picture is from the epsiode "2001" (season 5, episode 10) where SG-15 are about to search for the Aschen homeworld, but the mission is scrubbed sue to political pressure.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 08:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
== Underslung shotgun ==
[[Image:SGSAW.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
I was wondering if it is possible to ID the shotgun mounted under Michael Shanks weapon. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
At a glance, it looks like a KAC Masterkey/Remington 870. But I can't tell for sure. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Looks more like an Itaca M37 to me, but from that pic it could be anything. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 09:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
== CM203 ==
[[Image:SG1_9.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Burke ([[Enrico Colantoni]]) utilizes a M4A1 with Beta C-Mag and underslung Cobray CM203 launcher in "Evolution, Part 2".]]
Looking closely at the receiver of that launcher, it has no external charging handle and a rounded trigger guard, both signs of a real deal M203 rather than a Cobray. Not only those two points, but it also fits more snugly to the underside of the M4/C8 unlike the Cobrays shown in other shots attached to carbines. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
: Good catch. I am going to add it if there are no objections. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
== MP5 scopes and continuit errors ==
First off, can anyone identify what the following three scopes are that are used on MP5s?
[[Image:SG1 - S1EP4MP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|O´Neill ([[Richard Dean Anderson]]) switches his MP5 to semi in Season 1´s "Emancipation".]]
[[Image:SG1 - S5EP12MP5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Elliott ([[Courtenay J. Stevens]]) assesses the situation before ordering his squad to advance in the Season 5 episode "Proving Ground". ]]
[[Image:SG1MP5A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|One of Colonel Dave Dixons squad steps down from the gate as he and the others place bets on what kind of aliens they will encounter.]]
I am fairly sure that the first one is a Colt 4x20 scope (or a copy of one) but have no idea about the other two, but think the lost one is some kind of red dot.
Also, has anyone notices that throughout SG-1, particularly the earlier series with MP5s, there are consistent continuity errors with the weapons? For example, if you look at the two screenshots from "Proving Ground" in the main article, the recruits weapons switch between having MP5s with navy receivers and the first type of scope, to ones with SEF receivers and the second type of scope. Not sure, but I think this switch is done when firing scenes are required. Another example of this is is in the episode "Serpent's Song" where Carter similarly uses a Navy receiver with Colt type scope, and when firing switched to a SEF reciever with a different scope.
I think this implies that the regular MP5s they carry are non firing replicas (possibly airsoft), which makes sense, particularly if you look at the first image I posted above, where the gun looks suspiciously plastic looking, with the rear iron sights looking more metallic, and the ejection port looking like it is molded as part of the receiver. I don't have a problem with the lower receivers being different types, as they may not have been able to get replicas that used SEF receivers, but it seems bizarre that the scopes don't match, as these would surely be interchangeable.
Does anyone know if it was standard for them to use plastic replicas, or did I just happen to look at the two episodes where this seems to happen? --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 13:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes, for non firing scenes, they would give them props to make it easy for them because of the weight. Most actors are lazy and hate the weight of a gun and you can't accidental have an actor shoot his gun off. Or maybe they couldn't afford the gun guy that day and the scene required guns, but no gun fire in the episode, so you save money with props [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
::The MP5A3s with Navy trigger groups that you see on the show are all Tokyo Marui airsoft replicas. The ones with SEF lowers are real guns firing blanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
== G36K/G36KE ==
G36KE are (in the series) airsoft replikas you can see that KE are never fired in series and that they are swaping with Ks for shootouts. On picture from "Uninvited" in this thread ([http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:SGs6k4.jpg]) can be clearly seen the Airsoft clip in the weapon - it is empty but still no spring can be seen an there is something on the bottom of it (a BB feeding mechanism of this "High-cap" airsoft magazine)
It's no surprise that Airsoft replicas are used in the series, but in this case it is quite obvious which one is which.
And a little detail as a bonus: On this picture -[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:SG1spas3.jpg] can be clearly seen that O'Neill is holding yet again Airsoft replica - an obvious filming mistake.
Sorry for any mistakes in my English - 2nd language. Dutohlav
We do see them firing the KE G36s and we have continuity errors of them switching back and forth and we see this in Atlantis and Universe since they use the same armorers. I've been in Airsoft before for over 2 years on a team and in my research, I've never seen the Airsoft G36 KE model. It was always the standard with the dual optics unless you can show me a G36 Airsoft that is the E variant. Also, the G36 magazines are almost clear and you could see through them if they are empty. They could have had emptied guns for scenes without shooting and I've seen Airsoft G36 mags and they are always showing only half the magazine full for show. I have never seen a G36 "high cap" mag that that is clear like that entirely. It could very well be a dummy mag or broken.
You say it's no surprise that Airsoft replicas are used in the series, but I don't remember ever catching the use of Airsoft ever. Can you point them out? It would be a nice fact to put here.
Also, how is the SPAS-12 that O'Neill is holding an Airsoft replica? I don't see any indication that it isn't real. And how is it an "obvious film mistake"? If they are using Airsoft, it would be on purpose for non firing scenes only. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
You can see small trap door hanging open in front of the trigger guard. That's where you put your dummy shells on airsoft Tokyo Marui SPAS-12. http://www.airsoftguns.cz/img/article/spas12/1.jpg
And the real one doesn't do that? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:(Excalibur) - Well, no. TM SPAS-12 loading mechanism is somewhat really toy-like. You put one shell on the little plastic trap door and swing it to the weapon. And that's it. Airsoft SPAS-12 can hold only one dummy shell as an internal "magazine"/"feeding solution" for the weapon. The shell holds 30 plastic pelets (3 pelets per one shot / ten shots total). When you empty the shell you swing open the trap door, the empty shell falls to the ground and you can insert a new one. On real SPAS-12, there are no trap doors in front of the trigger guard. You load your shells directly via breech into the ammo tube below the barel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I749O5mavbg [Ragnar]
:They do use airsoft guns on this show for non-firing scenes (some of the MP5s, P90s, and XM177s are clearly Tokyo Marui replicas), but I'm not so sure about the G36Ks. I remember this show started featuring the G36K in the 4th season (2001 or so). Back in those days, there wasn't anybody making an airsoft G36 of any kind (Tokyo Marui's G36C was the first, and those were available only in December 2002) - I remember this because when I was a teenager, I wanted an airsoft G36 badly and was annoyed that nobody made them. Anyway, my point is, some of the G36s must be real. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Can you remember any Season 4 episodes in particular that featured G36s? I didn't notice any being used (with the slight exception of the SL8 in "2001") until the Cameron Mitchell days. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::I've seen the series a lot, so I know they didn't use G36s until season 9 and 10 or in the later seasons of Atlantis. In Universe, it is their main weapon [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think I may have been wrong on the season, but I do know that airsoft G36Ks weren't available for a while, and I'm pretty sure this show had them beforehand. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
== AK variant ==
Seen in the Season 6 episode "Metamorphosis":
[[Image:SG1 - S6EP15AK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]
Will add the GP-25 now. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:It's another [[Norinco Type 84]] with an AKS-74 style folding stock, if that's what you're asking. You can tell it's a Type 84 because it has the metal ribbed magazine. All of the "AK-74s" on this show are Type 84s being used as stand-ins for the AK-74. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
== Unidentified Shotgun ==
[[Image:SG1 - S8EP14Shot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|As held by Christopher Judge]]
I know that the picture quality isn't the greatest. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 20:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:What episode is that from? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::Judging from the picture S8 E14: Full Alert. --Fin- 22:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I got this on my Netflix. I'll take a look and see if we can get a closer look. Best guess is either and 870 or a 590 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
== Unknown hunting rifles ==
In "Uninvited" (Season 10, Episode 5), several hunting rifles were shown being shot and held by big game hunters.
[[Image:SG1hunting.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:SG1hunting1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:SG1hunting2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
: Moved this from the page. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 18:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
== Split up into seasons ==
Articles for Continuum and Ark of Truth still have to be made. If anyone wants to take a shot at them, go right ahead.--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
So Continuum and Ark of Truth are getting their own pages too? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
: I am not sure. I mean, where else to put them? Season 10?--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 20:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
: Thinking about it, ''The Ark of Truth'' finishes Season 10 and ''Continuum'' closes the Ba'al arc. I am going to put the firearms from those movies into the Season 10 article and put up a notice at the top of that page. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 20:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
== Stargate SG1 topic !!! ==
This page about the Stargate SG1 ! appear a lot better showing all guns of this series in just one page !!!
Separate them por season ! fucking destroy the topic and page !!!
i come here to shearch for a weapon but... now this take so much work ! so forget ! i lost interest in it !!!
Its much better if turn back in all in one page !!!
this will really help a lot !!!
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Stargate_SG-1&oldid=383691 All one page. Have fun. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:03, 12 March 2011 (MSK)
thank you !!! by Soldier660 !!!
I was looking through the page and I was under the impression that splitting up by seasons was done to make it so you could have more screenshots for the guns from each season but it seems they've just shoved the images from the original page there which kind of makes it pointless and it's very annoying as you have on the season 5 page a screenshot from a season 2 episode which actually has a caption saying that it's from season 2. I was annoyed with the splitting of the Hawaii Five 0 page initially but they have at least populated the season 2 page with screenshots for every weapon. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 19:30, 22 November 2011 (CST)
==Assault Shotgun term==
I think the USAS 12 should just be named that and not be coined the term "assault shotgun". I don't think in military terms if that was ever used or even needed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:58, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
:I agree. It also makes no sense as USAS is already and acronym so it is currently being called the "Universal Sports Automatic Shotgun 12 gauge Assault Shotgun". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:03, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
::Also when I think of who would use a term like "assault shotgun" would affiliate it with Assault Rifle and with the current media trend of inventing names for weapons to make them sound even more dangerous doesn't help. That's a different topic but I think it's an redundant fact to call the USAS 12 an "assault shotgun" when the acronym already states it is something else. It's like calling something a luxury race car. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:17, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
Latest revision as of 18:17, 24 September 2013
For a short summary of the most commonly used alien weapons on the show, see here
If anyone was wondering about my change that I immediately 'undid' myself, I posted a pic and then deleted it because (stupid me) I put the wrong sight mount on the pistol and only realized it when I edited the page. I will repost the SG1 pistol shot when I get the correct sight mount. MoviePropMaster2008 20:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Stinger & AT4 appearance
I think Stinger missiles made another appearance in the last episode of Season 6 "Full Circle" when Teal'c and other kids on Abydos use them and AT4s to defend against Anubis' forces. One of the Stingers missed the glider, while Teal'c randomly fired another one and shot down another glider.
AT4 made the first appearance in Season 3 episode "Forever in a Day" when Carter picked up a AT4 from a fallen Marine and used it to destroy a staff cannon position, which is a correct application of AT4. It didn't show up again until Season 6 when people just start using it as an anti-aircraft weapons.
Interesting/Of Note: In the picture of the AT4 being fired, it is fired from the left shoulder. The AT4 is always fired from the right shoulder due to the flip up sights, safety levers, and trigger. I won't say it can't be fired from the left shoulder, I will say it would be awkward getting everything in a comfortable and functional location from what I remember. The directions on it even tell the user to use the right shoulder only.
I know it's been a while since this was posted, but the image in question looks like it's been flipped, since the sight covers are still on the top of the weapon, rather than underneath like you would expect them to be it it was being fired left handed. The Wierd It 21:42, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
M249s
Can we get some evidence that the M249s are mockups rather than real ones? The Wierd It 15:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, the M249s in this show, Stargate: Atlantis, and many other movies and TV shows filmed in Canada are actually Korean K3 LMGs. The easiest way to tell is because they have a different style front and rear sight, but besides that, they look a lot like the SPW variant of the FN Minimi. One of our other admins, who is an armorer and gunsmith in the business, has confirmed that this was done because there was a time when armorers had a lot of difficulty acquiring real M249s. We're hoping to get pictures of the K3s (better ones than what we have now) soon so that we can illustrate the difference a bit more clearly. -MT2008
does anyone think
Does anyone think we should add the energy weapons such as staff weapons and zat guns? I know they are not real firearms but they do play a large part in the show and they are cool.
They might be cool, but they are not real weapons. I don't want to put the time to do such a thing. This is Internet Movie FIrearms Database, not alien and fantasy weapons database Excalibur01 15:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I know I was just thinking that they are a very importiant part of the show. Just look at how many times zat guns have saved them. haha
there are article on fictional guns...there should a Internet Movie weapon Database covering all weapons in movies. Rex095
I guess it shouldn't be too bad, but if you are going to post crappy low res shots, forget it Excalibur01 04:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Luger?
Can anyone ID the handgun used by Teal'c to threaten Netan in Season 9, Episode 20, Camelot? I know this a bit of a long shot because the weapon in question is only seen for a few seconds and from crappy angles. I think it might be a Luger P08. Pravda616
--Armyguy277 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)== not a M4 ==
this pick really dosent look like a M4 carbine in lookis more like a Diemaco C8 carbine --Armyguy277 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Because it has an Elcan? Some of our Canadian armorer friends have told us that Diemaco/Colt Canada does not sell its weapons to film armorers, so it is pretty much impossible to see any C7 or C8 rifles in film/TV. We have mistakenly referred to some M16/CAR1-5 rifles as Diemaco weapons in the past, but this is a mistake that needs to be corrected. -MT2008 15:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
There really isn't much distinct differences between the 2 carbines at a glance. You see so many ELCAN sights is because the show was made in Canada, Excalibur01
That is an M4, it has a stepped barrel. The C8 has an M16A1 style barrel without the M203 step. The Wierd It 17:16, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
ok thanks for clearing that up --Armyguy277 20:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The "Carter Special"
The page says that this gun is a cut-down Armalite M15A4. However, that lower receiver is quite clearly Olympic Arms - you can tell by the white writing on the right side of the magazine well, plus I watched the episode, and it's possible to see the OA crest on the left side, too. I would guess that this gun is probably a modified K23B "stubby" with the front sight removed, a free-floating hand guard installed, and the thumbhole stock added. -MT2008 15:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Well I posted the image, but I don't remember calling it an Armalite. Let's change it to an OA. Excalibur01
It's a K23B, not an OA93. But I will correct it myself... -MT2008 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
They're also wrong about the type of weapon that the Carter Special was based on, and I told them so in the discussion. -MT2008 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I've amended the base weapon on there. Is there anything else that needs correcting? The Wierd It 20:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that stock is not from an AR-180, it's a "Bell & Carlson AR-15 Thumbhole Stock". --ShootoutWithDave 16:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
On there, not here. I trust the info here more than there. The Wierd It 21:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
The M16A2s/C7s
(moved from the page)
These are all Colt Model 715s, which are equivalent to the Diemaco C7, not M16A2s. If you look closely, you can see they all have the A1-style rear sight (adjustable for windage but NOT elevation, unlike the A2-style rear sight).
I agree. That's what we get for filming a show in Canada.... :)
Al Vrkljan told me on the The Incredible Hulk (2008) page that Canadian armorers can't acquire Colt Canada rifles, either, because they only sell to military/LE. But those guns do look very C7-ish to me...
well tennachly they don`t have to own them ,lots of militarys have leanded weapons to tv and movie armourers. but in this case they are not. --Armyguy277 23:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I can't imagine there's any military (outside of the poorest Third World countries) that would ever lend its weapons to film armorers. Motion picture blanks are very different from military blanks (they're loaded with far more powder, so they'll produce a bigger flash on camera), so you can't just loan an M16 to a film's property master, stick on a military BFA, and expect it to fire full-flash blanks. Plus there are legal issues involved, I'm sure.
Anyway, the Canadian armory which supplies weapons to Stargate: SG1 also supplies to lots of other movies and TV shows filmed in British Columbia. Since that conversation we had on the SG1 page, we have noticed that the "C7" rifles that this armory stocks are actually Olympic Arms K4Bs (which look identical to the C7, except that they have the distinctive "Stowaway" pistol grip). I can pretty much guarantee you that the "C7s" in Stargate: SG1 are these same guns. In which case, they definitely didn't come from the Canadian armed forces. -MT2008 02:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Missing Guns
Does someone want to check out season 1, episode 18, Tin Man? I saw an Uzi and what looked like a Dragunov sniper rifle. Pravda616
Well no, that's from season 6, episode 16. But good point, that also looks like a Dragunov. Pravda616
Are you sure it´s Tin Man? The only weapons visible in that episode are the standard MP5´s if I remember correctly . --Milkovich 08:19, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah sorry about that, SG1 has so many episodes that I got confused. I meant season 2, episode 4, Gamekeeper. I'm sure there was an Uzi and a Dragunov being used by the East Germans in O'Neill's flashback. There was also a rifle being used by O'Neill's team for counter-sniping that didn't recognize. Pravda616
Added the Dragunov. I couldn't spot the UZI, though. --Milkovich 10:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
It's been bugging me for weeks, but I finnaly remembered where I had seen an UZI on SG1. Micro-UZIs were used twice in season 4. The Secret Sevice used them in episode 5, 'Divide and Conquer' and The NID agents in episode 15, 'Chain Reaction' had them along with some MP5Ks. Pravda616 03:32 PM, 28/9/10
One scene, this Russian SG woman was using what appeared to be an AK47 variant (with a .223 magazine - could be a Type 84, or if the receiver has an RPK reinforcing bar, it could be the Zastava M90 chambered in 5.56mm NATO), but in the next scene, it appeared to be an AK-74.
The magazine appears to be Norinco Type 84-style, and there are lots of those in Hollywood's rental armories.
Could be but since SG1 is filmed in Canada, none of the California armorers work on the show and Canadian armorers can still get a lot of stuff that we Americans can't (despite their ridiculous gun restrictions for the 'common folk').
Yeah, possibly. I admit the fact that the M70B appears in the show suggests it could be an M90. However, I seem to recall seeing at least one episode of this show where the AK74 I saw was definitely a Type 84 (hooded front sight, smooth receiver cover, plus less-curved mag).
In this episode, the Russian officer asks about O'Neills P90, and then saying that he himself prefers the Serb/Yugoslav Zastava. They are most likely the M85, which is a pretty standard looking AK-74U copy. picture: http://i49.servimg.com/u/f49/11/39/24/32/m85_5_12.jpg
I'm pretty sure he name-checks it as an M85 in that scene. The Wierd It 09:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's an M85. The M85 has an under-folding stock, while this weapon has a standard AKS-74-style side folding stock. It looks to me like a regular AKS-74U. -MT2008 12:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, I just watched this episode. The weapon is clearly not a Zastava M85. As best I can tell, it's a Norinco Type 84 that's been modified with a Krinkov parts kit to look like an AKS-74U. It doesn't have the RPK-style heavy receiver of Zastavas, and it has a side-folding stock rather than under-folding (as on the M85). They may have called it a Zastava on the episode, but the prop weapon is something else (not uncommon in movies). -MT2008 14:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
So there is no way to be certain about what specific model it is? --Milkovich 19:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd put down that it's what I said - it's a Norinco Type 84 that's been mocked up as an AKS-74U. That's an acceptable identification, even if it's not exactly simple. -MT2008 20:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Cobray and lower handguard
Error creating thumbnail: File missingColonel Reynolds (Eric Breker) opens fire on the approaching Jaffa Gliders with his M4 in "Lost City, Part 1". Like others, this one has the lower handguard removed to accommodate the Cobray CM203.
This is what the caption first read. I edited the last sentence out because I am unsure WHY exactly they would remove the lower handguard. Is there any specific reason or was it done simply for the looks? --Milkovich 07:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Because it's usually done when mounting an underbarrel launcher to an M4? The Wierd It 09:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for answering the question, I will edit the last sentence back in. --Milkovich 09:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
MP-7/P-90 Switcheroo
I always wondered why SG-1 switched from the MP-7 which they were using when Mitchell joined the team back to the P-90? Production costs? --Charon68 23:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
They only used the MP7 for a couple episodes and then went back to the P90 and we never see the MP7s again in the main cast. Excalibur01 02:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
That's what I meant. It looked like they were changing weapons to the MP-7 and, if I recall, Mitchell even carried a G-36 for a while. I was wondering why they switched back to the P90 instead of keeping the HK line going. --Charon68 09:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How did it look like SG1 were changing weapons? They all used MP7s in exactly one episode! And that was when they were undercover posing as drug dealers. They probably thought the P90 was to recognizable. As for the G36, Mitchell (and Carter once) uses it regularly in missions that require more firepower than usual. Pravda616
The change to using 5.56s more than P90s was, at least in season 8, more for cost reasons (5.7mm blanks were getting expensive as the company that made them had to start filling military orders for live rounds) After that, I don't know. The Wierd It 07:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It was my understanding that the 5.7mm shortage was only temporary, which is why the 'Carter special' from season 7 wasn't reused in the following seasons. Also I remember someone saying in an audio commentary that the main reason they kept using the G36 because they thought it looked cool! Pravda616
Don't quote me on this, but a while back I read that it was partly due to the fact they used Tokyo Marui products as non-firing props. And when TM developed their MP7, they provided them to the show in order to create awareness and take advantage of the airsoft playing viewers and/or cos-players. It makes sense to me, but I think only the armourer would be able to provide the right answer. --Crazycrankle 08:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, appearing in one episode and briefly in another isn't really enough exposure to justify that. The Wierd It 10:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
As seen in "A Matter of Time", wielded by - what I presume to be - real members of the US military. I am looking for confirmation on these. --Milkovich 09:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
How do we know they're actual enlisted U.S. military personnel? If the guy in the top image is an actual serviceman, one would expect him to know instinctively not to grip his M16 so close to the barrel and front sight (which get hot when fired).
The gun IDs appear correct, although I'm trying to figure out why we've seen mostly K3s on the show if the armorers had access to Minimis/M249s. -MT2008 19:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The footage was taken at the actual entrance to Cheyenne mountain and with the great display of cooperation on the part of the US Armed forces I´d say that those men being real soldiers is a fair guess. And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency. I will add them to the page now. --Milkovich 12:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
They are real forces personnel I believe, along with the majority of the soldiers seen in exterior shots of the SGC: it was mentioned once on a DVD commentary that they were real soldiers.--Commando552 13:43, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I have heard it mentioned that the establishing shots of Cheyenne Mountain's entrance in this show were filmed on-location, but that's JUST establishing shots. The rest of the show, including the action scenes, is filmed in British Columbia. So, I would still be really surprised if those guys are U.S. military personnel, or if that particular scene was filmed on-location. Remember that a good editor can mix footage filmed in two different locations and make it look like the entire scene takes place only in one location.
And I know nothing about weapons, but I personally would pick my own way of holding the weapon to reach, what one might call, maximum efficiency.
Since you don't know anything about weapons, please take my word for it: That would not be "maximum efficiency" for ANYONE who wants to keep the skin on their hand intact. All AR rifles get hot around the barrel and front sight post when fired. If you hold an AR the way this guy is doing, you WILL get burned when you shoot (especially on an M16A1, which doesn't have the heavier barrel of later models). Even the most boot Private in the reserves knows this. So if that guy were actually in the Air Force, he would know to grip his M16 properly through muscle memory alone. Thus, I think it is safe to conclude that this guy is an untrained actor who had never held an M16 before working on this show. There's just no way that an enlisted soldier, Marine, or airman would do something that's so obviously wrong. -MT2008 17:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Especially the Marines. They spend more time training with the rifle than any other branch. Excalibur01 18:02, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
On the topic of the M16 holding, maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know. However, in that episode, the sequence of the soldiers jumping out of jeeps and trucks is definitely on location, as it is in front of the main entrance. Furthermore, one of the soldiers/airmen/whatevers jumping out of a truck seems to be wearing a set of Ranger Body Armour, which has never been shown in another shot as of the show as far as I know, which leads me to believe that there was at least some participation by serving soldiers. Commando552 19:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
maybe thats how the production team told him to hold it so it looked cool, we don't know.
Do you really think directors are that anal? Or that they have that kind of time on their hands? The simplest explanation is that this guy simply didn't have experience with an M16 in real life, and the armorer didn't have time to show him the proper way to hold it. So he just held it the way he thought seemed cool. You're over-thinking this.
Even if the soldiers leaving their vehicles was filmed on location, that one shot (of this guy holding his M16) could have still been filmed elsewhere. We don't see Cheyenne Mountain in the background, after all, and they do reshoots all the time after principal photography. Also, what is "Ranger Body Armour"? Never heard of any such thing. U.S. military personnel wore the PASGT (vest and helmet) at the time this episode was filmed. PASGT has since been replaced by the Interceptor OTV/IOTV (in the Army) and the Modular Tactical Vest (in the Marines). And all of these vests (or replicas) can be purchased by civilians, so their appearance in the show means nothing. -MT2008 22:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
IIRC, Ranger Body Armor was a set of armor with kevlar/ceramic ballistic plates that was developed for and mainly used by the 75th Ranger regiment (hence the name) from the early 1990s until the early 2000s. It was the vest that Rangers wore in Somalia and is seen pretty prominently in Black Hawk Down.--Markit 22:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I see. In that case, Commando552 seems to be suggesting that the producers brought in some actual Army Rangers...just to show them gathering at the complex entrance to point weapons at it? At the very least, if they were real personnel, they'd be USAF perimeter security, not Army Rangers. -MT2008 22:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I was not suggesting they brought in Army Rangers for the filming of this one scene. I imagine that it is possible that the RBA ended up being used by people other than Rangers, so they may indeed be USAF personnel. As this footage is shot on location at the entrance, it would not have been a case of bringing in personnel, but just using the ones that were already there. I can't remember where I heard it, but have definitely heard in an interview or audio commentary that this footage was stock footage shot not specifically for this episode, but was done when they had the opportunity as it would be needed eventually. Here is a screencap:
Also it is worth noting that the other security forces are wearing a leather police type belt, rather than the ALICE webbing they wear in other appearances. It seems possible to me that they are either real security forces, or the production team was given equipment by the USAF to shoot this, as they were on location at Cheyenne. Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s Commando552 09:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Either way this would explain the different equipment, and the use of real M16s and M249s
What do you mean by "real"? They use real (but blank-converted) M16s in many episodes. Not sure how that's relevant. I watched the episode, and the shots of the M16 and M249 look to me like they could have been filmed later, and mixed in with the footage from the actual complex entrance that was filmed on-location. -MT2008 15:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
By "real" I meant the fact that they are using genuine M16s rather than the Olympic Arms K4Bs that they use (according to the main article) in every appearance other than stock footage of real USAF personnel guarding the complex entrance, and this one scene in question. I have also watched the episode, and to me it was clear that the shots of people carrying M16A1s and M249s were shot at the mountain entrance, as it was visible in shots from the rear of the soldiers, and it is possible to match the vehicles and personnel with the frontal shots. All I was saying was that the fact that they are not using the regular weapons or tactical equipment that actors as security forces in the show normally used, plus the fact that it was filmed on a base, suggests to me that there was involvement from real US forces personnel, be it in providing equipment or personnel as well. That is just the way I see it, feel free to have your own opinion. --Commando552 21:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Fake G3SG/1?
Not certain, but I believe the sniper rifle used by Oneill in Orpheus isn't an SG/1. The reason I say this is that it has a bolt on bipod rather than the integrated one in the hand-guard, it lacks full auto, it used a different after market cheek riser rather than the one supplied with the SG/1, and (although it is hard to tell from the photos) it seems to lack the secondary setting trigger behind the main one. As an aside, did all SG/1s have this secondary trigger or was it removed at some point, as the photo on the SG/1 page is also lacking it.
MT2008 pointed out (I think) that most SG1s/SR9s in American (Canada too?) armories are modified G3/HK91s. The original sniper versions are rare and really expensive and HK think we suck and hate us. So it is better to 'chop up' and modify the much cheaper HK91 and make a similar looking rifle. Even so called G3s are HK91s with the G3 trigger pack installed, so nothing is what it seems in movies and television. MoviePropMaster2008 15:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. This is an HK91 mocked up to look like a G3 SG/1. Just as the "M249s" are all mocked-up Daewoo K3s, the "Berettas" in the early episodes were all Taurus PT92s, and the "M203s" are all harmless 37mm Cobray flare launchers. That's Hollywood for you. -MT2008 17:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for that, assumed it was a HK91, but didn't know how to tell them apart specifically. Should the entry be changed to reflect this or should ti be left as is (I'm new here not sure what the procedure is for mock ups like this)? Also do you happen to know if there was a version of the SG/1 made without the setting trigger, as if not I think the photo on the SG/1 page is of a converted G3. Commando552 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the page should point out the fact that the G3/SG1 is a mock-up from an HK91. And yes, our own picture (which is itself a real movie gun) also shows a mock-up built from an HK91. -MT2008 22:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Why the ELCAN?
One thing has struck me looking through this article is the use of the ELCAN. Why specifically would SGC have chosen the ELCAN over ACOG for their battlefield optic?
This show was made in Canada and it would be natural for the armorer to have ELCAN scopes. Maybe he didn't have ACOGs in his armory. US troops have been seen with the ELCAN before. Excalibur01 18:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Can someone tell me which episode this weapon was seen in? --Milkovich 06:41, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The picture is from the epsiode "2001" (season 5, episode 10) where SG-15 are about to search for the Aschen homeworld, but the mission is scrubbed sue to political pressure.--Commando552 08:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Looking closely at the receiver of that launcher, it has no external charging handle and a rounded trigger guard, both signs of a real deal M203 rather than a Cobray. Not only those two points, but it also fits more snugly to the underside of the M4/C8 unlike the Cobrays shown in other shots attached to carbines. Spartan198 06:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Good catch. I am going to add it if there are no objections. --Milkovich 07:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
MP5 scopes and continuit errors
First off, can anyone identify what the following three scopes are that are used on MP5s?
I am fairly sure that the first one is a Colt 4x20 scope (or a copy of one) but have no idea about the other two, but think the lost one is some kind of red dot.
Also, has anyone notices that throughout SG-1, particularly the earlier series with MP5s, there are consistent continuity errors with the weapons? For example, if you look at the two screenshots from "Proving Ground" in the main article, the recruits weapons switch between having MP5s with navy receivers and the first type of scope, to ones with SEF receivers and the second type of scope. Not sure, but I think this switch is done when firing scenes are required. Another example of this is is in the episode "Serpent's Song" where Carter similarly uses a Navy receiver with Colt type scope, and when firing switched to a SEF reciever with a different scope.
I think this implies that the regular MP5s they carry are non firing replicas (possibly airsoft), which makes sense, particularly if you look at the first image I posted above, where the gun looks suspiciously plastic looking, with the rear iron sights looking more metallic, and the ejection port looking like it is molded as part of the receiver. I don't have a problem with the lower receivers being different types, as they may not have been able to get replicas that used SEF receivers, but it seems bizarre that the scopes don't match, as these would surely be interchangeable.
Does anyone know if it was standard for them to use plastic replicas, or did I just happen to look at the two episodes where this seems to happen? --Commando552 13:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes, for non firing scenes, they would give them props to make it easy for them because of the weight. Most actors are lazy and hate the weight of a gun and you can't accidental have an actor shoot his gun off. Or maybe they couldn't afford the gun guy that day and the scene required guns, but no gun fire in the episode, so you save money with props Excalibur01 20:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
The MP5A3s with Navy trigger groups that you see on the show are all Tokyo Marui airsoft replicas. The ones with SEF lowers are real guns firing blanks. -MT2008 02:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
G36K/G36KE
G36KE are (in the series) airsoft replikas you can see that KE are never fired in series and that they are swaping with Ks for shootouts. On picture from "Uninvited" in this thread ([1]) can be clearly seen the Airsoft clip in the weapon - it is empty but still no spring can be seen an there is something on the bottom of it (a BB feeding mechanism of this "High-cap" airsoft magazine)
It's no surprise that Airsoft replicas are used in the series, but in this case it is quite obvious which one is which.
And a little detail as a bonus: On this picture -[2] can be clearly seen that O'Neill is holding yet again Airsoft replica - an obvious filming mistake.
Sorry for any mistakes in my English - 2nd language. Dutohlav
We do see them firing the KE G36s and we have continuity errors of them switching back and forth and we see this in Atlantis and Universe since they use the same armorers. I've been in Airsoft before for over 2 years on a team and in my research, I've never seen the Airsoft G36 KE model. It was always the standard with the dual optics unless you can show me a G36 Airsoft that is the E variant. Also, the G36 magazines are almost clear and you could see through them if they are empty. They could have had emptied guns for scenes without shooting and I've seen Airsoft G36 mags and they are always showing only half the magazine full for show. I have never seen a G36 "high cap" mag that that is clear like that entirely. It could very well be a dummy mag or broken.
You say it's no surprise that Airsoft replicas are used in the series, but I don't remember ever catching the use of Airsoft ever. Can you point them out? It would be a nice fact to put here.
Also, how is the SPAS-12 that O'Neill is holding an Airsoft replica? I don't see any indication that it isn't real. And how is it an "obvious film mistake"? If they are using Airsoft, it would be on purpose for non firing scenes only. Excalibur01 07:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
And the real one doesn't do that? Excalibur01 16:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
(Excalibur) - Well, no. TM SPAS-12 loading mechanism is somewhat really toy-like. You put one shell on the little plastic trap door and swing it to the weapon. And that's it. Airsoft SPAS-12 can hold only one dummy shell as an internal "magazine"/"feeding solution" for the weapon. The shell holds 30 plastic pelets (3 pelets per one shot / ten shots total). When you empty the shell you swing open the trap door, the empty shell falls to the ground and you can insert a new one. On real SPAS-12, there are no trap doors in front of the trigger guard. You load your shells directly via breech into the ammo tube below the barel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I749O5mavbg [Ragnar]
They do use airsoft guns on this show for non-firing scenes (some of the MP5s, P90s, and XM177s are clearly Tokyo Marui replicas), but I'm not so sure about the G36Ks. I remember this show started featuring the G36K in the 4th season (2001 or so). Back in those days, there wasn't anybody making an airsoft G36 of any kind (Tokyo Marui's G36C was the first, and those were available only in December 2002) - I remember this because when I was a teenager, I wanted an airsoft G36 badly and was annoyed that nobody made them. Anyway, my point is, some of the G36s must be real. -MT2008 17:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Can you remember any Season 4 episodes in particular that featured G36s? I didn't notice any being used (with the slight exception of the SL8 in "2001") until the Cameron Mitchell days. --commando552 23:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I've seen the series a lot, so I know they didn't use G36s until season 9 and 10 or in the later seasons of Atlantis. In Universe, it is their main weapon Excalibur01 17:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I think I may have been wrong on the season, but I do know that airsoft G36Ks weren't available for a while, and I'm pretty sure this show had them beforehand. -MT2008 15:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Will add the GP-25 now. --Milkovich 07:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
It's another Norinco Type 84 with an AKS-74 style folding stock, if that's what you're asking. You can tell it's a Type 84 because it has the metal ribbed magazine. All of the "AK-74s" on this show are Type 84s being used as stand-ins for the AK-74. -MT2008 15:06, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I know that the picture quality isn't the greatest. --Milkovich 20:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
What episode is that from? --commando552 21:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Judging from the picture S8 E14: Full Alert. --Fin- 22:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I got this on my Netflix. I'll take a look and see if we can get a closer look. Best guess is either and 870 or a 590 Excalibur01 03:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Unknown hunting rifles
In "Uninvited" (Season 10, Episode 5), several hunting rifles were shown being shot and held by big game hunters.
Moved this from the page. --Milkovich 18:19, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Split up into seasons
Articles for Continuum and Ark of Truth still have to be made. If anyone wants to take a shot at them, go right ahead.--Milkovich 17:51, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
So Continuum and Ark of Truth are getting their own pages too? Excalibur01 16:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure. I mean, where else to put them? Season 10?--Milkovich 20:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Thinking about it, The Ark of Truth finishes Season 10 and Continuum closes the Ba'al arc. I am going to put the firearms from those movies into the Season 10 article and put up a notice at the top of that page. --Milkovich 20:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Stargate SG1 topic !!!
This page about the Stargate SG1 ! appear a lot better showing all guns of this series in just one page !!!
Separate them por season ! fucking destroy the topic and page !!!
i come here to shearch for a weapon but... now this take so much work ! so forget ! i lost interest in it !!!
Its much better if turn back in all in one page !!!
I was looking through the page and I was under the impression that splitting up by seasons was done to make it so you could have more screenshots for the guns from each season but it seems they've just shoved the images from the original page there which kind of makes it pointless and it's very annoying as you have on the season 5 page a screenshot from a season 2 episode which actually has a caption saying that it's from season 2. I was annoyed with the splitting of the Hawaii Five 0 page initially but they have at least populated the season 2 page with screenshots for every weapon. --cool-breeze 19:30, 22 November 2011 (CST)
Assault Shotgun term
I think the USAS 12 should just be named that and not be coined the term "assault shotgun". I don't think in military terms if that was ever used or even needed. Excalibur01 (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
I agree. It also makes no sense as USAS is already and acronym so it is currently being called the "Universal Sports Automatic Shotgun 12 gauge Assault Shotgun". --commando552 (talk) 14:03, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
Also when I think of who would use a term like "assault shotgun" would affiliate it with Assault Rifle and with the current media trend of inventing names for weapons to make them sound even more dangerous doesn't help. That's a different topic but I think it's an redundant fact to call the USAS 12 an "assault shotgun" when the acronym already states it is something else. It's like calling something a luxury race car. Excalibur01 (talk) 14:17, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
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