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:I call dibbs when this comes out on DVD, if it's alright with everyone. | :I call dibbs when this comes out on DVD, if it's alright with everyone. | ||
::I think that when the dvd comes out, I'll probably skip a few scenes on the dvd to find scenes with guns so I might bring images here faster. It's 3 days til the dvd is released.-[[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 01:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC) | ::I think that when the dvd comes out, I'll probably skip a few scenes on the dvd to find scenes with guns so I might bring images here faster. It's 3 days til the dvd is released.-[[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 01:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
Even though the gun is clearly a Redhawk and not a Super Redhawk just based on its appearance, I'm more concerned with when this movie takes place. Good points are brought up since all of the guns are very modern, yet I was under the impression this movie takes place in the 70s. I think it takes place in the 80s based on Stryker's line in X2 "It's been what, 15 years?" but I'm not certain. To "That Same Guy", this isn't a reboot of the X-Men series, it's a prequel. Since the wars stop after Vietnam, assuming it is the 70s isn't crazy. Actually, since the war went on til 1972, and then Logan joined Department H, we can knock off some years. After he quits, six years pass, so now we are in the 80s. It all depends on how long the gap is from the 70s to "six years later" I guess. | Even though the gun is clearly a Redhawk and not a Super Redhawk just based on its appearance, I'm more concerned with when this movie takes place. Good points are brought up since all of the guns are very modern, yet I was under the impression this movie takes place in the 70s. I think it takes place in the 80s based on Stryker's line in X2 "It's been what, 15 years?" but I'm not certain. To "That Same Guy", this isn't a reboot of the X-Men series, it's a prequel. Since the wars stop after Vietnam, assuming it is the 70s isn't crazy. Actually, since the war went on til 1972, and then Logan joined Department H, we can knock off some years. After he quits, six years pass, so now we are in the 80s. It all depends on how long the gap is from the 70s to "six years later" I guess. | ||
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I really think they were just being lazy as usual with the gun mishaps. I mean the G36 was a big eye sore and the fact that the adamantium bullets wouldn't be accurate at all since they need to be impossible to rifle and spin. Future weapons my ass. The G36 I saw in the movie had not dressing to make it look like a future weapon anyway. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | I really think they were just being lazy as usual with the gun mishaps. I mean the G36 was a big eye sore and the fact that the adamantium bullets wouldn't be accurate at all since they need to be impossible to rifle and spin. Future weapons my ass. The G36 I saw in the movie had not dressing to make it look like a future weapon anyway. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
*Made a mistake. The Vietnam Scene was in 1974 | *Made a mistake. The Vietnam Scene was in 1974. Then it's 6 years later(if you watch carefully) in 1981 as there was a Ruger Redhawk which fit 1981. | ||
its actually would be easy to make good bullets out of adamantium since it is kept in molten state | its actually would be easy to make good bullets out of adamantium since it is kept in molten state | ||
I think the common conception is that the bullets are copper jacketed with adamantium cores. This would allow them to actually be fired and grooved from the barrel. Otherwise, I'd think that launching an indestructible metal through a steel barrel would destroy it, or at the very least smooth out the bore, on the first shot. | I think the common conception is that the bullets are copper jacketed with adamantium cores. This would allow them to actually be fired and grooved from the barrel. Otherwise, I'd think that launching an indestructible metal through a steel barrel would destroy it, or at the very least smooth out the bore, on the first shot. | ||
:Exactly; there are plenty of military bullets with steel or tungsten penetrators but with copper (or copper-alloy) jackets to prevent barrel damage and engage the rifling. Bullets loaded with adamantium penetrators would be like bullets loaded with tungsten ones, only with even better terminal effect on impact. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 15:41, 28 January 2012 (CST) | |||
My biggest grief is if it takes place in 1979, Agent Zero's Taurus PT92s would be inaccurate as they came out in the 80s. The original Beretta 92 came out in 75 and would have been more accurate; Inox versions were released much later, but he could have had them custom nickle plated. Another thing is that if Gambit was in his late 20s at the time then the whole Gambit/Rogue love sage could never happen. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] | My biggest grief is if it takes place in 1979, Agent Zero's Taurus PT92s would be inaccurate as they came out in the 80s. The original Beretta 92 came out in 75 and would have been more accurate; Inox versions were released much later, but he could have had them custom nickle plated. Another thing is that if Gambit was in his late 20s at the time then the whole Gambit/Rogue love sage could never happen. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] | ||
X-men 1 was set in the not too distnat future of 1999. The conclusion of the movie occurs 15 years earlier, so from silverfoxes death to the credits is set in 84/85, therefore the opening attack in africa takes place in 78/79. The game and the spin off comics confirm this. I work in a comic book store so i know my wolverine--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC) | X-men 1 was set in the not too distnat future of 1999. The conclusion of the movie occurs 15 years earlier, so from silverfoxes death to the credits is set in 84/85, therefore the opening attack in africa takes place in 78/79. The game and the spin off comics confirm this. I work in a comic book store so i know my wolverine--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
*So | *So the G36k is anacronistic because it was released in the 1990s and you said that the movie is set around 1984 and 1985. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
Dude i didn't say anything about the guns, just what year it is set in, however it is a different universe as ours. According to Marvel, Earth-96283 is the multiverse reality in which all marvel movies exist. It is completely viable that the taurus, the G36 and any other weapons could have been created earlier in history by the weapon plus program in this movie reality --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 05:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Magazines == | == Magazines == | ||
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==GM45 (moved from main page)== | ==GM45 (moved from main page)== | ||
:I have this screencapped, and I know I've been gone a lot lately, but I'll try to upload this weekend. I'm very swamped though, so hang in there! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | :I have this screencapped, and I know I've been gone a lot lately, but I'll try to upload this weekend. I'm very swamped though, so hang in there! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | ||
== M4? == | |||
Chris Bradley / Bolt, the guy played by Dominic Monaghan, the guy who controls electrical technology. In the scenes in Africa before the scene at the local tribe where he is seen using an AK. Before it looks like he's carrying some sort of shorty M16 system. It really does look like an M4 with an LE stock. Since this scene takes place before M4s came out, obviously this rifle should not be in his hands. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] | |||
:I read you. Chris Bradly's gun looks like it has some M16 shorty configs, but I can't identify it because the gun's mainly blocked from shot to shot. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Anachronisms == | |||
Wouldn't the Taurus PT92 and Beretta 92FS Inox be anachronistic? The mission Agent Zero uses the PT92's in took place in the late 1970's, but the Taurus PT92 wasn't designed until 1983. Then he uses a Beretta 92FS Inox later in the 80's (I think) even though the Inox came out in the 90's. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:48, 4 April 2011 (CDT) | |||
== The Humvee == | |||
The film is set around '79, so would the humvees seen here not be anachronistic? Sould it be mentioned in the page? EoghanG93 17:39 28/01/2012 | |||
== Adamantium Bullets == | |||
Anyone think it's weird that they use a regular revolver to fire adamantium bullets? | |||
The thought of Adamantium deforming to engage a steel groove is just amusing | |||
:What if it uses a sabot? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 00:56, 23 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
Not likely, they show when he's shot, Jackman has a wound size a .44 bullet would make. | |||
== Dragunov == | |||
Looks to me to be the Norinco copy. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] | |||
== CAR-15 carbine? == | |||
[[Image: Model 605 CAR-15 carbine.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Model 605 CAR-15 carbine]] | |||
We were watching the film on telly the other night and in the Vietnam sequence doesn't Hughie use a CAR-15 carbine (shorter barrel)?[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 18:02, 24 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I've only seen him handling the Colt 733 as noted on the page already. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
*Right you are, must've been seeing things.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 03:08, 25 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
During the Africa scene, I swear Chris Bradley (Dominic Monaghan) was holding some kind of CAR-15 or something when they were walking towards the big gate, right before Zero decided to take out the entire yard [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:09, 26 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I saw the movie again. Apparently, it has some sort of M4 Crane Stock and rail system. It could possibly be another anachronism. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 00:12, 28 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
==The AKs== | |||
Despite what the page claims (it identifies the AK firearms in the movie as AKMs, AKMS, and Type 56s), every AK in the movie seems to be a Zastava M70AB1 or AB2. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 19:07, 25 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 04:14, 28 May 2013
- I call dibbs when this comes out on DVD, if it's alright with everyone.
- I think that when the dvd comes out, I'll probably skip a few scenes on the dvd to find scenes with guns so I might bring images here faster. It's 3 days til the dvd is released.-Kenny99 01:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Even though the gun is clearly a Redhawk and not a Super Redhawk just based on its appearance, I'm more concerned with when this movie takes place. Good points are brought up since all of the guns are very modern, yet I was under the impression this movie takes place in the 70s. I think it takes place in the 80s based on Stryker's line in X2 "It's been what, 15 years?" but I'm not certain. To "That Same Guy", this isn't a reboot of the X-Men series, it's a prequel. Since the wars stop after Vietnam, assuming it is the 70s isn't crazy. Actually, since the war went on til 1972, and then Logan joined Department H, we can knock off some years. After he quits, six years pass, so now we are in the 80s. It all depends on how long the gap is from the 70s to "six years later" I guess.
In the comics Howlett was transformed in the 1960s, but its pretty obvious the movies only loosely follow them.
So, discuss. - Gunmaster45
- I'm sorry, this movie takes place in 1979, the year of the Three Mile Island Incident. The Winchester
- Hold it!!The movie is set 5 years later which is 1979,where the movie is set in. The Department H mission was set in 1974,5 years before the 3 mile island incident. X-Men 2 shows Stryker saying,"It's been 15 years",and the second X-Men was set in 1994. - Kenny99 16:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- I read that on IMDB, but I'm still not 100% on that... - Gunmaster45
- Wait so the fight at the end of the movie was supposed to be the Three Mile Island Incident, but the government covers it up to hide the mutant experiment stuff? Actually this makes a lot more sense; And Redhawk may of just been standing in as a Smith And Wesson, and all the other anarchostic guns were trying to resemble futuristic (in '79) weapons from Department H. - That guy / That same guy [I should make an account here I like this site]
- I read that on IMDB, but I'm still not 100% on that... - Gunmaster45
I really think they were just being lazy as usual with the gun mishaps. I mean the G36 was a big eye sore and the fact that the adamantium bullets wouldn't be accurate at all since they need to be impossible to rifle and spin. Future weapons my ass. The G36 I saw in the movie had not dressing to make it look like a future weapon anyway. Excalibur01 03:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- Made a mistake. The Vietnam Scene was in 1974. Then it's 6 years later(if you watch carefully) in 1981 as there was a Ruger Redhawk which fit 1981.
its actually would be easy to make good bullets out of adamantium since it is kept in molten state
I think the common conception is that the bullets are copper jacketed with adamantium cores. This would allow them to actually be fired and grooved from the barrel. Otherwise, I'd think that launching an indestructible metal through a steel barrel would destroy it, or at the very least smooth out the bore, on the first shot.
- Exactly; there are plenty of military bullets with steel or tungsten penetrators but with copper (or copper-alloy) jackets to prevent barrel damage and engage the rifling. Bullets loaded with adamantium penetrators would be like bullets loaded with tungsten ones, only with even better terminal effect on impact. --Mazryonh 15:41, 28 January 2012 (CST)
My biggest grief is if it takes place in 1979, Agent Zero's Taurus PT92s would be inaccurate as they came out in the 80s. The original Beretta 92 came out in 75 and would have been more accurate; Inox versions were released much later, but he could have had them custom nickle plated. Another thing is that if Gambit was in his late 20s at the time then the whole Gambit/Rogue love sage could never happen. ZombieKiller
X-men 1 was set in the not too distnat future of 1999. The conclusion of the movie occurs 15 years earlier, so from silverfoxes death to the credits is set in 84/85, therefore the opening attack in africa takes place in 78/79. The game and the spin off comics confirm this. I work in a comic book store so i know my wolverine--Captain Snikt 04:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
- So the G36k is anacronistic because it was released in the 1990s and you said that the movie is set around 1984 and 1985. - Kenny99 02:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Dude i didn't say anything about the guns, just what year it is set in, however it is a different universe as ours. According to Marvel, Earth-96283 is the multiverse reality in which all marvel movies exist. It is completely viable that the taurus, the G36 and any other weapons could have been created earlier in history by the weapon plus program in this movie reality --Captain Snikt 05:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Magazines
- Actually the 30 round mags for the M16A1 did see service in Vietnam in the late 60's. From my knowledge they came into circulation in the US military in like 1967 or so.
- Looking back, the use of 30 round magazines for the M16A1 and XM16E1 weren't around in the late 60's but there were a really small number of 30 round magazines being used by US Special Forces in Late 1968 and until 1973. Really small number though. Less than a Hundred. There were no 30 round mags for the XM16E1 because it was replaced by the M16A1 in 1967.-Oliveira 00:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- But it's doubtful that the unit Wolverine and Sabertooth was in were special forces so I don't know. I mean it's not as bad as a G36 with an AG36 grenade launcher in this movie. Excalibur01 03:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- According to Kenny, the Vietnam War scene was set in 1974 so the 30 round magazines aren't an error.-Oliveira 13:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
- The 30 round mag was still hard to come by in the late 1960's/early 1970's. I read a book about the Son Tay raid and Bull Simons had to apparently go directly to Colt in order to get the mags needed for his men. Since the raid took place in 1970 it might make sense for the mags to be more easily available by the mid 1970's--Charon68 02:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- That was the case in real life as well. 30 round mags only started to be used in big numbers after 1972.--Oliveira 15:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- According to Kenny, the Vietnam War scene was set in 1974 so the 30 round magazines aren't an error.-Oliveira 13:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Kar98K
Was there a Kar98K?Hmm...I'm not really sure. In the theader, I saw a guy in the bunker with some rifle, assuming it's a Kar98K,the most used rifle in WW2. Since Lisle202's rampage,the Kar98K was found in the far back. - Kenny99
GM45 (moved from main page)
- I have this screencapped, and I know I've been gone a lot lately, but I'll try to upload this weekend. I'm very swamped though, so hang in there! - Gunmaster45
M4?
Chris Bradley / Bolt, the guy played by Dominic Monaghan, the guy who controls electrical technology. In the scenes in Africa before the scene at the local tribe where he is seen using an AK. Before it looks like he's carrying some sort of shorty M16 system. It really does look like an M4 with an LE stock. Since this scene takes place before M4s came out, obviously this rifle should not be in his hands. Excalibur01
- I read you. Chris Bradly's gun looks like it has some M16 shorty configs, but I can't identify it because the gun's mainly blocked from shot to shot. - Kenny99 00:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Anachronisms
Wouldn't the Taurus PT92 and Beretta 92FS Inox be anachronistic? The mission Agent Zero uses the PT92's in took place in the late 1970's, but the Taurus PT92 wasn't designed until 1983. Then he uses a Beretta 92FS Inox later in the 80's (I think) even though the Inox came out in the 90's. - Mr. Wolf 18:48, 4 April 2011 (CDT)
The Humvee
The film is set around '79, so would the humvees seen here not be anachronistic? Sould it be mentioned in the page? EoghanG93 17:39 28/01/2012
Adamantium Bullets
Anyone think it's weird that they use a regular revolver to fire adamantium bullets? The thought of Adamantium deforming to engage a steel groove is just amusing
- What if it uses a sabot? --Funkychinaman 00:56, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
Not likely, they show when he's shot, Jackman has a wound size a .44 bullet would make.
Dragunov
Looks to me to be the Norinco copy. Sangheili1155
CAR-15 carbine?
We were watching the film on telly the other night and in the Vietnam sequence doesn't Hughie use a CAR-15 carbine (shorter barrel)?Foofbun (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2013 (EDT)
- I've only seen him handling the Colt 733 as noted on the page already. --Ben41 (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT)
During the Africa scene, I swear Chris Bradley (Dominic Monaghan) was holding some kind of CAR-15 or something when they were walking towards the big gate, right before Zero decided to take out the entire yard Excalibur01 (talk) 23:09, 26 May 2013 (EDT)
- I saw the movie again. Apparently, it has some sort of M4 Crane Stock and rail system. It could possibly be another anachronism. - Kenny99 (talk) 00:12, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
The AKs
Despite what the page claims (it identifies the AK firearms in the movie as AKMs, AKMS, and Type 56s), every AK in the movie seems to be a Zastava M70AB1 or AB2. -MT2008 (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2013 (EDT)