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{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}} | |||
|name=Black Rain | |||
|picture=BlackR.jpg | |||
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster'' | |||
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]]United States | |||
|director= Ridley Scott | |||
|date=1989 | |||
|studio=Jaffe-Lansing<br>Pegasus Film Partners | |||
|distributor=Paramount Pictures | |||
|character1=Detective Sergeant Nick Concklin | |||
|actor1=[[Michael Douglas]] | |||
|character2=Detective Charlie Vincent | |||
|actor2=[[Andy Garcia]] | |||
|character3=Inspector Masahiro Matsumoto | |||
|actor3=[[Ken Takakura]] | |||
|character4=Joyce | |||
|actor4=[[Kate Capshaw]] | |||
|character5=Lt. Oliver | |||
|actor5=[[John Spencer]] | |||
|character6= Yakuza assassin | |||
|actor6=[[Al Leong]] | |||
|character7=Yoshimoto | |||
|actor7=[[Jun Kunimura]] | |||
}} | |||
''' | '''''Black Rain''''' is a 1989 thriller directed by [[Ridley Scott]] and starring [[Michael Douglas]] and [[Andy Garcia]] as NYPD detectives who find themselves working with the police in Osaka, Japan to recapture the Yakuza boss they were transporting back and mistakenly let go. Making the film was not only grueling, but difficult as there were many clashes in the methods of Western film productions and Japanese film productions operated. Apparently the 'rules & regulations'-oriented Japanese system aggravated cinematographer Howard Atherton so much that he left and the remaining camera work was completed by [[Jan de Bont]] (who shot ''[[Die Hard]]'' and would later direct ''[[Speed]]''). It is noteworthy that lead actor Yusaku Matsuda who played the main villain Sato, was dying of cancer, but refused to reveal the advanced stage of his disease to director [[Ridley Scott]] for fear that he would be replaced. He finished the movie, telling others that sacrificing his chances at "living a few more months" was a worthy trade off for the chance to "live forever" in a motion picture. He passed away seven months after the movie's American premiere. The cast also included [[Kate Capshaw]] and legendary Japanese actor [[Ken Takakura]]. | ||
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=Handguns= | |||
==Colt Python Snub Nose== | |||
NYPD Detective Sergeant Nick Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) uses a blued snub-nosed [[Colt Python]] as his main service weapon. However, once Conklin and Charlie arrive in Japan, the Osaka Police Chief stressed that they hand in their guns since they are "civilians" there, so grudgingly turns his Python in and is never seen again throughout the remainder of the movie. | |||
[[File:The actual Screen used-fired Black Rain Michael Douglas Nick Conklin Colt 357 Magnum Python CTG.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This is the actual screen used/fired Colt Python which was rented to the production in November 1988 by Weapons Specialists Ltd. © Copyright Derek Hedlund Licensed to www.imfdb.org]] | |||
[[Image:Br05.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Conklin fires his Python at the fleeing Yakuza.]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR204.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Conklin aims his Python outside the airliner after discovering that he'd been duped into releasing Sato.]] | |||
==Colt Detective Special== | |||
NYPD Detective Sergeant Nick Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) uses a [[Colt Detective Special]] as his backup handgun. Shortly after they arrive in Osaka there is a scene where Conklin and his partner Charlie Vincent are in the Japanese police headquarters. Both the [[Colt Python]] snub and the [[Colt Detective Special]] are visible on Conklin's belt. Conklin carries the two revolvers next to each other in what is known as a "New York Reload". This scene takes place before the two NYPD detectives are forced to turn over their handguns to the Osaka police. | |||
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]] | |||
[[Image:BRain1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) deploys his [[Colt Detective Special]] while holding his [[Colt Python]] in his left.]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR202.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Conklin searches for Sato with his backup Colt in a meat packing plant.]] | |||
[[Image:BRain 120.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While waiting in Osaka Police Headquarters, Conklin is seen here carrying his two revolvers next to each other in what is known as a "New York Reload".]] | |||
==Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose== | |||
NYPD Detective Charlie Vincent ([[Andy Garcia]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose Revolver (with Pachmayr Presentation Grips) during the first half of the movie. Nick Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) is then given the revolver from Matsumoto ([[Ken Takakura]]), and uses it in the steel factory shootout. | |||
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose with Pachmayr grips - .357 Magnum]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR201.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Charlie Vincent ([[Andy Garcia]]) draws his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose Revolver at the Italian restaurant.]] | |||
[[Image:Black Rain 008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charlie Vincent ([[Andy Garcia]]) gives up his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose Revolver after being told by the Osaka police that they cannot carry their weapons while in Osaka.]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR209.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Nick Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) with the S&W model 66 in the steel foundry as he's being taunted by Sato.]] | |||
==Smith & Wesson Model 36== | |||
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is carried by several members of the Osaka Police during the raid on the Yakuza hideout, standing in for the [[Nambu Model 60]]. (The Nambu is the official sidearm of Japanese police, but access to the Nambu is tightly controlled, so film-makers often substitute the broadly-similar Model 36.) | |||
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special - 5 shot]] | |||
[[Image:BRain 136.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Osaka officer wields the S&W Model 36.]] | |||
[[Image:BRain 137.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the Model 36.]] | |||
==Colt Diamondback== | |||
It appears that one of the uniformed N.Y.P.D. officers assisting Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) and Charlie ([[Andy Garcia]]) when they arrest Sato in the meat packing plant is carrying a [[Colt Diamondback]]. Technically this is incorrect. A uniformed N.Y.P.D. officer in the late 1980's would not have carried that model and instead would have more than likely been carrying a [[Ruger Security Six]], [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] or the [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]]. However Conklin is shown carrying a Colt Python and Charlie has a S&W Model 66. Neither model would have been carried by a N.Y.P.D. detective in the 1980's so consider it poetic license. | |||
[[Image:Diamond38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Diamondback with 4" Barrel and Colt Rubber combat grips - .38 Special]] | |||
[[Image:NYPDDiamondback.jpg|thumb|600px|none| N.Y.P.D. officer on the right with a [[Colt Diamondback]]. Note the ventilated top rib. It appears to be too small to be the [[Colt Python]]]] | |||
==Heckler & Koch P9S== | |||
One of Sato's men, Yoshimoto, ([[Jun Kunimura]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] during the foundry gunfight. One is also seen on the table in Sato's hideout when the Osaka police raid it. | |||
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:Black Rain 010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yoshimoto ([[Jun Kunimura]]) armed with the H&K looks for Conklin in the foundry.]] | |||
==Heckler & Koch P7== | |||
the [[Heckler & Koch P7 pistol series|Heckler & Koch P7]] is used by Osaka Police Assistant Inspector Masahiro Matsumoto ([[Ken Takakura]]) during the steel factory shootout. | |||
[[Image:HKP7M13Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|H&K P7M8 - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR208.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Assistant Inspector Matsumoto fires the P7.]] | |||
==Desert Eagle Mark I== | |||
Sugai's driver ([[Professor Toru Tanaka]]) is seen firing the [[Desert Eagle Mark I]] in the teahouse shootout. | |||
[[Image:MagResDE.357MarkI.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum. First model of Desert Eagle put into production.]] | |||
[[Image:Br03.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Sugai's driver fires the Desert Eagle during the final gunfight at the "oyabun" council meeting.]] | |||
=Submachine Guns= | |||
==Heckler & Koch HK94A3== | |||
Numerous gangsters of both Sato and Sugai use the [[Heckler & Koch HK94A3]] in the final shootout - the HK94s are 'chopped and converted' to resemble [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]s. Assistant Inspector Matsumoto ([[Ken Takakura]]) takes one from one of Sato's men as he joins up with Conklin. | |||
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|400px|none|The "Fake MP5", the Heckler & Koch HK94A3 Converted to full auto fire, shortened barrel and added third firing position on trigger pack - 9x19mm. This version was used in many films during the 1980s and 1990s.]] | |||
[[Image:Black2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Matsumoto ([[Ken Takakura]]) carries the H&K HK94 in a publicity photo. His HK 94 has a slender foregrip.]] | |||
[[Image:Black Rain 020.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Matsumoto holds the HK94 as he discovers Sato's trap. Note the lack of barrel lugs.]] | |||
[[Image:BlackR210.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Matsumoto fires the HK, killing many of Sato's and Sugai's men.]] | |||
==Micro-Uzi== | ==Micro-Uzi== | ||
Sato's men carry the [[Micro Uzi]] as they enter the Italian Gangster's restaurant where Nick and Charlie are also dining. Sato's men disguised as farmers draw their hidden Micro-Uzi's in the ambush at the teahouse. | Sato's men carry the [[Micro Uzi]] as they enter the Italian Gangster's restaurant where Nick and Charlie are also dining. Sato's men disguised as farmers draw their hidden Micro-Uzi's in the ambush at the teahouse. | ||
[[Image:MicroUziPistolStock.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:MicroUziPistolStock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Micro Uzi with folding stock - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[Image:BlackR200.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Sato ([[Yusaku Matsuda]]) is guarded by his Micro-Uzi wielding Yakuza as he enters the restaurant.]] | [[Image:BlackR200.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Sato ([[Yusaku Matsuda]]) is guarded by his Micro-Uzi wielding Yakuza as he enters the restaurant.]] | ||
[[Image:BlackRainUzi.jpg|none|thumb|600px|Another of Sato's henchmen in the resturaunt]] | |||
[[Image:Br04.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Disguised as farmers, Sato's men open fire on the Yakuza bosses with their Micro-Uzi's.]] | [[Image:Br04.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Disguised as farmers, Sato's men open fire on the Yakuza bosses with their Micro-Uzi's.]] | ||
==Uzi== | ==Uzi== | ||
A full-size [[Uzi]] is used by one of the Yakuza during the teahouse shootout at the end of the film. | A full-size [[Uzi]] is used by one of the Yakuza during the teahouse shootout at the end of the film. | ||
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|400px|none|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb| | |||
[[Image:BlackR211.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Sugai's guards is holding an Uzi as Sato's men ambush them.]] | [[Image:BlackR211.JPG|thumb|none|600px|One of Sugai's guards is holding an Uzi as Sato's men ambush them.]] | ||
[[Image:BlackR213.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Sugai's guard on the right holds an UZI as the car explodes behind him]] | [[Image:BlackR213.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Sugai's guard on the right holds an UZI as the car explodes behind him]] | ||
==MAC 10== | ==MAC-10== | ||
One of Sato's disguised assassins ([[Al Leong]]) uses a suppressed [[MAC-10]] during the final shootout. | |||
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Ingram MAC 10 open bolt submachine gun - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[Image:BlackR214.JPG|thumb|600px|none|One of Sato's disguised assassins ([[Al Leong]]) | [[Image:BlackR214.JPG|thumb|600px|none|One of Sato's disguised assassins ([[Al Leong]]) holding a suppressed MAC-10 as he's taken out by Matsumoto.]] | ||
[[Image:BlackR212.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Sugai's guard on the left holds a MAC-10 as the car explodes behind him.]] | [[Image:BlackR212.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Sugai's guard on the left holds a MAC-10 as the car explodes behind him.]] | ||
== | =Shotguns= | ||
In order to take out Sato, Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) is given a [[ | ==Savage Model 69RXL== | ||
[[ | In order to take out Sato, Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) is given a [[Savage Model 69RXL]] shotgun by Sugai's men. The weapon features an extended magazine tube and sawed-off stock. Conklin uses it to kill two Yakuza in the house. He was apparently only given three shells for it, as the hammer falls on an empty chamber when he tries to fire a fourth, at which point Conklin discards it. | ||
[[Image:Br01.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Sugai's men toss the shotgun at | [[File:SM 69RXL sawed off.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Savage Model 69RXL sawed-off shotgun.]] | ||
[[Image:Black Rain 012.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Conklin inspects his shotgun before he leaves to take out Sato.]] | [[Image:Br01.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Sugai's men toss the shotgun at Conklin's feet.]] | ||
[[Image:Black Rain 012.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Conklin inspects his (currently empty) shotgun before he leaves to take out Sato.]] | |||
[[Image:BRain_ammo_count.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Unwilling to trust Conklin with a loaded weapon, Sugai's men threw him the ammunition just before departing. Note that he was thrown six shells (highlighted) - a continuity error with the ensuing firefight.]] | |||
[[Image:Br02.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Conklin aims his shotgun at a fleeing Sato.]] | [[Image:Br02.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Conklin aims his shotgun at a fleeing Sato.]] | ||
== Remington 870 Folding Stock == | ==Remington 870 Folding Stock== | ||
In a continuity error, Conklin's shotgun mysteriously transforms into a [[Remington 870]]. | In a continuity error, Conklin's shotgun mysteriously transforms into a [[Remington 870 Folding Stock]]. This was because the main unit couldn't film the final battle in Japan as the filmmaker's visas had run out, so the main unit shifted to California to film the final battle. | ||
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image:Black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|A publicity photo shows Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) with a Remington 870.]] | [[Image:Black.jpg|thumb|300px|none|A publicity photo shows Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) with a Remington 870.]] | ||
[[Image:Black Rain 014.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) with the Remington 870 as he approaches the teahouse.]] | [[Image:Black Rain 014.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Conklin ([[Michael Douglas]]) with the Remington 870 as he approaches the teahouse.]] | ||
== | =Rifles= | ||
==Steyr SSG 69== | ==Steyr SSG 69== | ||
Members of the Osaka SWAT Team carry [[Steyr SSG 69]] bolt-action sniper rifles when they raid Sato's suspected hideout. | Members of the Osaka SWAT Team carry [[Steyr SSG 69]] bolt-action sniper rifles when they raid Sato's suspected hideout. | ||
[[Image:SteyrSSG69.jpg|thumb|none| | [[Image:SteyrSSG69.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[Image:BlackR205.JPG|thumb|none| | [[Image:BlackR205.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Osaka police with the sniper rifle.]] | ||
==Norinco Type 56-1== | ==Norinco Type 56-1== | ||
[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none| | A Yakuza fires the [[Norinco Type 56-1]] in the teahouse shootout. | ||
[[Image:Br03.JPG| | [[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 - 7.62x39mm]] | ||
[[Image:Br03.JPG|600px|thumb|none|A Yakuza on the right fires the Norinco.]] | |||
=Miscellaneous= | |||
==Trivia== | |||
Though the majority of the scenes taking place in Japan were actually filmed in Japan, the final shootout at the winery took places in Napa, California for two reasons. (a) The production's work Visa had run out but more importantly (b) Japan's strict gun control forces many filmmakers to use 'flash paper' style non guns. Since Ridley Scott wanted real automatic weapons firing blanks, they had to film the gun battle in the U.S. What also tips off the viewer that this shootout was filmed in the states was the presence of so many well known '''Chinese American Stuntmen''', like [[Al Leong]] of ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Big Trouble in Little China]]'' fame, who would not be in Japan (since there are many Japanese Stuntmen who would be available). | |||
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Black Rain is a 1989 thriller directed by Ridley Scott and starring Michael Douglas and Andy Garcia as NYPD detectives who find themselves working with the police in Osaka, Japan to recapture the Yakuza boss they were transporting back and mistakenly let go. Making the film was not only grueling, but difficult as there were many clashes in the methods of Western film productions and Japanese film productions operated. Apparently the 'rules & regulations'-oriented Japanese system aggravated cinematographer Howard Atherton so much that he left and the remaining camera work was completed by Jan de Bont (who shot Die Hard and would later direct Speed). It is noteworthy that lead actor Yusaku Matsuda who played the main villain Sato, was dying of cancer, but refused to reveal the advanced stage of his disease to director Ridley Scott for fear that he would be replaced. He finished the movie, telling others that sacrificing his chances at "living a few more months" was a worthy trade off for the chance to "live forever" in a motion picture. He passed away seven months after the movie's American premiere. The cast also included Kate Capshaw and legendary Japanese actor Ken Takakura.
The following weapons were used in the film Black Rain:
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Handguns
Colt Python Snub Nose
NYPD Detective Sergeant Nick Conklin (Michael Douglas) uses a blued snub-nosed Colt Python as his main service weapon. However, once Conklin and Charlie arrive in Japan, the Osaka Police Chief stressed that they hand in their guns since they are "civilians" there, so grudgingly turns his Python in and is never seen again throughout the remainder of the movie.
Colt Detective Special
NYPD Detective Sergeant Nick Conklin (Michael Douglas) uses a Colt Detective Special as his backup handgun. Shortly after they arrive in Osaka there is a scene where Conklin and his partner Charlie Vincent are in the Japanese police headquarters. Both the Colt Python snub and the Colt Detective Special are visible on Conklin's belt. Conklin carries the two revolvers next to each other in what is known as a "New York Reload". This scene takes place before the two NYPD detectives are forced to turn over their handguns to the Osaka police.
Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose
NYPD Detective Charlie Vincent (Andy Garcia) carries a Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose Revolver (with Pachmayr Presentation Grips) during the first half of the movie. Nick Conklin (Michael Douglas) is then given the revolver from Matsumoto (Ken Takakura), and uses it in the steel factory shootout.
Smith & Wesson Model 36
The Smith & Wesson Model 36 is carried by several members of the Osaka Police during the raid on the Yakuza hideout, standing in for the Nambu Model 60. (The Nambu is the official sidearm of Japanese police, but access to the Nambu is tightly controlled, so film-makers often substitute the broadly-similar Model 36.)
Colt Diamondback
It appears that one of the uniformed N.Y.P.D. officers assisting Conklin (Michael Douglas) and Charlie (Andy Garcia) when they arrest Sato in the meat packing plant is carrying a Colt Diamondback. Technically this is incorrect. A uniformed N.Y.P.D. officer in the late 1980's would not have carried that model and instead would have more than likely been carrying a Ruger Security Six, Smith & Wesson Model 64 or the Smith & Wesson Model 10. However Conklin is shown carrying a Colt Python and Charlie has a S&W Model 66. Neither model would have been carried by a N.Y.P.D. detective in the 1980's so consider it poetic license.
Heckler & Koch P9S
One of Sato's men, Yoshimoto, (Jun Kunimura) carries a Heckler & Koch P9S during the foundry gunfight. One is also seen on the table in Sato's hideout when the Osaka police raid it.
Heckler & Koch P7
the Heckler & Koch P7 is used by Osaka Police Assistant Inspector Masahiro Matsumoto (Ken Takakura) during the steel factory shootout.
Desert Eagle Mark I
Sugai's driver (Professor Toru Tanaka) is seen firing the Desert Eagle Mark I in the teahouse shootout.
Submachine Guns
Heckler & Koch HK94A3
Numerous gangsters of both Sato and Sugai use the Heckler & Koch HK94A3 in the final shootout - the HK94s are 'chopped and converted' to resemble Heckler & Koch MP5A3s. Assistant Inspector Matsumoto (Ken Takakura) takes one from one of Sato's men as he joins up with Conklin.
Micro-Uzi
Sato's men carry the Micro Uzi as they enter the Italian Gangster's restaurant where Nick and Charlie are also dining. Sato's men disguised as farmers draw their hidden Micro-Uzi's in the ambush at the teahouse.
Uzi
A full-size Uzi is used by one of the Yakuza during the teahouse shootout at the end of the film.
MAC-10
One of Sato's disguised assassins (Al Leong) uses a suppressed MAC-10 during the final shootout.
Shotguns
Savage Model 69RXL
In order to take out Sato, Conklin (Michael Douglas) is given a Savage Model 69RXL shotgun by Sugai's men. The weapon features an extended magazine tube and sawed-off stock. Conklin uses it to kill two Yakuza in the house. He was apparently only given three shells for it, as the hammer falls on an empty chamber when he tries to fire a fourth, at which point Conklin discards it.
Remington 870 Folding Stock
In a continuity error, Conklin's shotgun mysteriously transforms into a Remington 870 Folding Stock. This was because the main unit couldn't film the final battle in Japan as the filmmaker's visas had run out, so the main unit shifted to California to film the final battle.
Rifles
Steyr SSG 69
Members of the Osaka SWAT Team carry Steyr SSG 69 bolt-action sniper rifles when they raid Sato's suspected hideout.
Norinco Type 56-1
A Yakuza fires the Norinco Type 56-1 in the teahouse shootout.
Miscellaneous
Trivia
Though the majority of the scenes taking place in Japan were actually filmed in Japan, the final shootout at the winery took places in Napa, California for two reasons. (a) The production's work Visa had run out but more importantly (b) Japan's strict gun control forces many filmmakers to use 'flash paper' style non guns. Since Ridley Scott wanted real automatic weapons firing blanks, they had to film the gun battle in the U.S. What also tips off the viewer that this shootout was filmed in the states was the presence of so many well known Chinese American Stuntmen, like Al Leong of Die Hard and Big Trouble in Little China fame, who would not be in Japan (since there are many Japanese Stuntmen who would be available).