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=Additional Variants= | =Additional Variants= | ||
[[File:MPX Gen 1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 1) with early stock | ==MPX== | ||
[[File:MPX SBR Gen 1 Keymod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX SBR (Gen 1) with early stock and KeyMod handguard - 9x19mm. It can be distinguished from the Gen 2 version by the different ejection port | [[File:MPX Gen 1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 1) with early stock - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:MPX K Keymod.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX-K (Gen 1) with KeyMod handguard - 9x19mm]] | [[File:MPX SBR Gen 1 Keymod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX SBR (Gen 1) with early stock and KeyMod handguard - 9x19mm. It can be distinguished from the Gen 2 version by the different ejection port and the standard MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail. It is also usually seen with a non-ambidextrous charging handle.]] | ||
[[File:MPX EQ2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 2) with Silent Legion suppressor and Maxim Defense stock, used in ''[[The Equalizer 2]]'' - 9x19mm. Image courtesy of '''ISS''' (Independent Studio Services).]] | |||
[[File:SIG MPX JW3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 2) with Magpul ACS stock and TTI base pad, used for ''[[John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum]]'' - 9x19mm. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | |||
[[File:MPX Extraction2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX with suppressor, M-LOK handguard and folding stock, used in ''[[Extraction 2]]'' - 9x19mm. Image courtesy of '''ISS''' (Independent Studio Services).]] | |||
[[File:SIG MPX M-LOK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 2) with M-LOK handguard, ROMEO4T red dot sight and 5-position telescoping/folding stock - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPX brace.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (2019 version) with telescoping brace - 9x19mm]] | |||
==MPX Pistol== | |||
[[File:SIG MPX-P.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX-P, first prototype - 9x19mm]] | |||
==MPX K== | |||
[[File:SIG MPX-K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX-K, first prototype - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:SIG MPX K 2013.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX-K, 2013 prototype - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPX K Gen 1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX-K (Gen 1) - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPX K Keymod.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX-K (Gen 1) with KeyMod handguard and no stock - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:SIG MPX K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX K (Gen 2) - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:SIG MPX K PSB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX K PSB (Gen 2) - 9x19mm]] | [[File:SIG MPX K PSB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX K PSB (Gen 2) - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:MPX 4.5 SBR.jpg|thumb|none| | [[File:MPX 4.5 SBR M-LOK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX K (Gen 2) with M-LOK handguard and 5-position telescoping/folding stock - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:MPX | [[File:MPX K M-LOK PCB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX K (Gen 2) with M-LOK handguard, PCB folding brace and Timney trigger - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:MPX MI 10.5 SD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX | |||
[[File:MPX | ==MPX-SD== | ||
[[File:SIG MPX-SD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX-SD, first prototype - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:MPX MI 10.5 SD.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX (Gen 2) with integral suppressor, telescoping brace and Midwest Industries 10.5" M-LOK handguard - 9x19mm]] | |||
==MPX Carbine== | |||
[[File:SIG MPX-C.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX-C, first prototype - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[File:TTI MPX Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taran Tactical SIG-Sauer MPX Carbine - 9x19mm]] | [[File:TTI MPX Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taran Tactical SIG-Sauer MPX Carbine - 9x19mm]] | ||
==MPX Copperhead== | |||
[[File:MPX Copperhead prototype.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX Copperhead, prototype version with 4.5" barrel - 9x19mm]] | [[File:MPX Copperhead prototype.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG-Sauer MPX Copperhead, prototype version with 4.5" barrel - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[File:MPX Copperhead ZR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX Copperhead (prototype version) with ZR Tactical stock, used in ''[[John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum]]'' - 9x19mm. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | [[File:MPX Copperhead ZR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer MPX Copperhead (prototype version) with ZR Tactical stock, used in ''[[John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum]]'' - 9x19mm. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | ||
==Replicas== | |||
[[File:MPX K Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' replica of a SIG-Sauer MPX-K (Gen 1)]] | [[File:MPX K Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' replica of a SIG-Sauer MPX-K (Gen 1)]] | ||
[[File:MPX K gel blaster.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeHui MPX-K gel blaster]] | |||
[[File:MPX 6.5 Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''Airsoft''' replica of a SIG-Sauer MPX with 6.5" barrel, M-LOK handguard and 5-position telescoping/folding stock]] | |||
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=Discussion= | =Discussion= | ||
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Does anybody know what the correct terminology for the different generations of this gun is? As far as I can tell there are currently 3 different generations of this gun. The first is the one that is what all the variants on the main page are. Then there is a second one where the SIGMod handguard was changed to aluminium rather than carbon fibre, steel inserts were added through the left side of the receiver for the bolt cam pin, the lower was redesigned slightly and has a different safety, mag release and an ambi bolt catch, and the stock is different being thicker and having a slight slope to it. The third model is similar to the second, but introduced a Keymod handgaurd, scalloped the top rail like on the MCX, and the upper was internally redesigned to take calibre conversion kits. According to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7WmEPyu_k this video] from SIG, the latter two version are the Gen 1 and Gen 2 respectively, but what does that make the first one that all are images are of? Was this a prototype that was never actually released, or is it just a very early pre-Gen 1 commercially available variant? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:36, 27 April 2017 (EDT) | Does anybody know what the correct terminology for the different generations of this gun is? As far as I can tell there are currently 3 different generations of this gun. The first is the one that is what all the variants on the main page are. Then there is a second one where the SIGMod handguard was changed to aluminium rather than carbon fibre, steel inserts were added through the left side of the receiver for the bolt cam pin, the lower was redesigned slightly and has a different safety, mag release and an ambi bolt catch, and the stock is different being thicker and having a slight slope to it. The third model is similar to the second, but introduced a Keymod handgaurd, scalloped the top rail like on the MCX, and the upper was internally redesigned to take calibre conversion kits. According to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp7WmEPyu_k this video] from SIG, the latter two version are the Gen 1 and Gen 2 respectively, but what does that make the first one that all are images are of? Was this a prototype that was never actually released, or is it just a very early pre-Gen 1 commercially available variant? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:36, 27 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
:What's even more confusing is that the specific version shown in our earliest images doesn't seem to have ever been shown in actual demonstrations. All live-firing versions of the prototype | :What's even more confusing is that the specific version shown in our earliest images doesn't seem to have ever been shown in actual demonstrations. All live-firing versions of the prototype MPX shown in videos (notably at SHOT Show 2013) have some differences, including an altered stock and a handguard nearly identical to that of the Gen 1 MPX. I wonder what we should call it, a "second prototype"? I'll go with this for now as I'm making the necessary changes. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:03, 24 February 2019 (EST) | ||
:: | ::Okay, I did some digging and came across [https://web.archive.org/web/20121127235510/http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product-highlights/sigs-new-smg/ this old link], and it turns out the earliest images indeed represented an older prototype displayed at AUSA 2012. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) | ||
::: | :::As of now, the MPX gradually went through some redesigns. The current production version has an M-LOK handguard, two less diagonal vents above it, a noticeably narrower ejector plate <small>(not sure if this is the correct term)</small> on the left side of the upper receiver, and lacks the "SIG MPX" markings next to it. In addition, the left side of the lower has a redesigned area around the magazine catch, and the weapon is often seen with a Timney trigger. These are the main external differences; there are some other internal ones as well. This version has often been colloquially called "Gen 3" on the internet, though SIG Sauer doesn't seem to officially refer to it as such. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (EST) | ||
== The MPX seems to be replacing the MP5 == | == The MPX seems to be replacing the MP5 == | ||
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:It looks like the MPX is the MP5 of the current era. The MP5 is quite oldschool to be honest, maybe H&K should do something about this situation. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 22:16, 18 August 2020 (EDT) | :It looks like the MPX is the MP5 of the current era. The MP5 is quite oldschool to be honest, maybe H&K should do something about this situation. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 22:16, 18 August 2020 (EDT) | ||
::Well, they kinda did with the UMP, and the UMP45 is pretty popular in games at least (most military and police forces nowadays prefer PDWs or compact assault rifles tho). And I agree, esthetically speaking the MP5 really is showing its age. The MPX looks more modern. --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 07:12, 19 August 2020 (EDT) | ::Well, they kinda did with the UMP, and the UMP45 is pretty popular in games at least (most military and police forces nowadays prefer PDWs or compact assault rifles tho). And I agree, esthetically speaking the MP5 really is showing its age. The MPX looks more modern. --[[User:Dan San|Dan San]] ([[User talk:Dan San|talk]]) 07:12, 19 August 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::The UMP never reached the height of popularity that the MP5 did, though. Most customers just kept buying MP5s even after the UMP hit the market. The MP5 just came along at the right time. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 14:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:54, 29 October 2023
Additional Variants
MPX
MPX Pistol
MPX K
MPX-SD
MPX Carbine
MPX Copperhead
Replicas
Discussion
This series looks like the MP5 and an AR-15 had a child...--Death Shadow20 (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
Shouldn't the MCX get it's own page? Excalibur01 (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
- Normally it should, I believe, but the thing is that it doesn't have any listed media appearance. It does appear in a video game, but its page lacked screencaps, and thus was deleted. According to the user who made it, the worthy screenshots are the in-game pictures of every weapon since it's a top-down 2D tactical game. Since the VG page's content (still present in the storage) features good descriptions of the weapons, if we upload the aforementioned weapons menu icons coupled with this then I think the page could be eligible.
- If it isn't, I thought we'd put the image here for now, otherwise we just keep it in the SIG-Sauer page.
- --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 18:00, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
- Now the MCX appears in other media; I've created a page for it. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:16, 28 November 2016 (EST)
Different Generations?
Does anybody know what the correct terminology for the different generations of this gun is? As far as I can tell there are currently 3 different generations of this gun. The first is the one that is what all the variants on the main page are. Then there is a second one where the SIGMod handguard was changed to aluminium rather than carbon fibre, steel inserts were added through the left side of the receiver for the bolt cam pin, the lower was redesigned slightly and has a different safety, mag release and an ambi bolt catch, and the stock is different being thicker and having a slight slope to it. The third model is similar to the second, but introduced a Keymod handgaurd, scalloped the top rail like on the MCX, and the upper was internally redesigned to take calibre conversion kits. According to this video from SIG, the latter two version are the Gen 1 and Gen 2 respectively, but what does that make the first one that all are images are of? Was this a prototype that was never actually released, or is it just a very early pre-Gen 1 commercially available variant? --commando552 (talk) 07:36, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
- What's even more confusing is that the specific version shown in our earliest images doesn't seem to have ever been shown in actual demonstrations. All live-firing versions of the prototype MPX shown in videos (notably at SHOT Show 2013) have some differences, including an altered stock and a handguard nearly identical to that of the Gen 1 MPX. I wonder what we should call it, a "second prototype"? I'll go with this for now as I'm making the necessary changes. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:03, 24 February 2019 (EST)
- Okay, I did some digging and came across this old link, and it turns out the earliest images indeed represented an older prototype displayed at AUSA 2012. --Ultimate94ninja (talk)
- As of now, the MPX gradually went through some redesigns. The current production version has an M-LOK handguard, two less diagonal vents above it, a noticeably narrower ejector plate (not sure if this is the correct term) on the left side of the upper receiver, and lacks the "SIG MPX" markings next to it. In addition, the left side of the lower has a redesigned area around the magazine catch, and the weapon is often seen with a Timney trigger. These are the main external differences; there are some other internal ones as well. This version has often been colloquially called "Gen 3" on the internet, though SIG Sauer doesn't seem to officially refer to it as such. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (EST)
- Okay, I did some digging and came across this old link, and it turns out the earliest images indeed represented an older prototype displayed at AUSA 2012. --Ultimate94ninja (talk)
The MPX seems to be replacing the MP5
The MP5 is still a very iconic submachine gun that will hardly be forgotten, but to me most movies and games recently seem to favor the MPX in the "generic 9mm SMG" role. John Wick 3, GTA V, TLOU 2 and Valorant just to name a few. --Dan San (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2020 (EDT)
- It looks like the MPX is the MP5 of the current era. The MP5 is quite oldschool to be honest, maybe H&K should do something about this situation. --Nanomat (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2020 (EDT)
- Well, they kinda did with the UMP, and the UMP45 is pretty popular in games at least (most military and police forces nowadays prefer PDWs or compact assault rifles tho). And I agree, esthetically speaking the MP5 really is showing its age. The MPX looks more modern. --Dan San (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2020 (EDT)
- The UMP never reached the height of popularity that the MP5 did, though. Most customers just kept buying MP5s even after the UMP hit the market. The MP5 just came along at the right time. Spartan198 (talk) 14:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
- Well, they kinda did with the UMP, and the UMP45 is pretty popular in games at least (most military and police forces nowadays prefer PDWs or compact assault rifles tho). And I agree, esthetically speaking the MP5 really is showing its age. The MPX looks more modern. --Dan San (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2020 (EDT)