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AR-15

Based on the burst fire and Picatinny rail, it seems to be an M16A4

No, an M16A2 is the the burst fire one. The rails is a bit weird. And there's some kind of odd carrying handle kinda like the one you see on FALs.

True, but the M16A4 is the M16A2 with the Picatinny Rail. If you don't believe me, check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16A4#M16A4

No, if it is burst with a picatinny, it's an A4. A2's have a fixed handle, and are full auto, while an A3 has a removable handle and full-auto.

Sorry, I forget sometimes. Never seen an A4 in action, an A2 isn't full auto. It's burst. The A1 and the A3 are the only full auto M16s not counting the original M16s. The A3 doesn't have a removable handle. That's why the A4 was created, but they switched back to burst.

Both the M16A3 and A4 models have removable carrying handles and a rail; however, the A3 is Full Auto and the A4 is Burst.

No, the A3 doesn't have the removable carrying handle, the A4 is the only one with the removable carrying handle Excalibur01 01:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Excalibur is right, A3's were FA but had an A2 carry handle, the confusion comes from some armorers have slapped A4 uppers onto A1 or other FA lowers.--RedJedRevolver

I've much wondered what this was, and I've come up with the following: -M16A2 receiver and buttstock -FAL handguards and carry handle -Some sort of ACOGish scope--M14fanboy 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Typing AR-16 into wikipedia redirects to the AR-18 article. And the rifle's handguards don't look like FAL handguards. It does, however, have the FAL's carry handle.-Oliveira 18:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

This is largely why I haven't added a real gun picture to that section yet; I'm not sure if it's supposed to be an actual AR-16 prototype, an AR-18 or some sort of random M16A-something custom job. Similarly, I haven't done so for the Tranq rifle because I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a Remington 700 or an M40. Vangelis 07:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

- Now that you mention the AR-18, the handguards do like like those of an AR-18...--M14fanboy 19:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The M16A3 does have a removable carry handle and it full auto. Its the A2 that's burst with a fixed carry handle, and the A4 that's burst with a removable carry handle. I have no idea about this gun. Im guessing its made up. Everything is backwards, the bolt assist and ejection port are on the wrong side. The piccatiny rail is slightly raised and isn't as flushed with the receiver as it should be. The handguard and carrying handle appear to be borrowed from the FAL or SLR. --Chablar 14:12, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, here's a shot of the reciever of the first one in the game:

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For your examination and identification. Also, I notice the selector switch is vertical, so apparently this is some weird safe-burst-auto configuration [or single is the third setting]. Vangelis 07:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I still think it should be called a Custom AR-15. As far as the name goes, I think Ubisoft just combined AR-15 and M16, I don't think they ever meant it to be an actual AR-16. - Mr. Wolf

It's possible, certainly, but there's a few AR-18-like aspects to it that suggest they were at least aware there was a 7.62mm version. I'm kinda guessing they modeled the weapon first, then said "what's an AR-15-like rifle that shoots 7.62mm NATO" and picked the name that way. Having "Armalite" in the name is curiously specific and suggests someone on the team was aware there actually was an AR-16, even if they didn't try to make the game gun look like it in the slightest. Regardless, I stand by the label: it's a quote-unquote AR-16, because we can't really put a specific name to it so we might as well stick to what they call it. Vangelis 09:13, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

What exactly is "AR-18-like about it? Cus' it's differently not the handguards, look at this [[1]] and look carefully at the above pic; they look nothing alike. Oh and to add to the confusion, it also has a HK front sight. :\ - Mr. Wolf 10:54, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Looks like if you took that, made it so the bottom of it was flat almost the entire length with a steep diagonal step at the back, then added the holes from the actual AR-16 handguard to it (with one extra one). Vangelis 11:22, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I remember some Amins said something along the lines of: (regarding video games) "On IMFDB we identify firearms based off their appearance, not what the developers/creators might call them", And I severely doubt the developers wanted to make it a AR-16 just because it use 7.62x51mm, I don't that ever crossed their minds. Come on, they made Desert Eagle, a .45, and a Makarov share the same ammo! I still think they just mixed the M16 and AR-15's names together, didn't you say a similar thing about the DSG-1 in Crysis. Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean or anything. - Mr. Wolf 12:11, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Yeah, the problem with doing that here is you'd need about fifteen images of various gun bits. We can't really name it as a specific weapon (because all we can really say is it's some kind of AR-15 pattern) so I figured it was better to label it as they do, in quote marks, and then explain that it isn't what they say it is. About the only thing we have to go on for a name is that they might have intended it to be an AR-16 because all the other ARs use 7.62mm ammunition, but it's basically a fictional AR-15. Same with the Fortunes Pack shotguns, which also have the game's names rather than say "unknown shotgun." That rule's really intended for when you can ID the weapon (for example, it's why the heading for the Desert Eagle isn't "Eagle.50"), it's not really much use when we have a weapon that has no definate ID. Really, here, any name is as good as any other. Vangelis 12:31, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

So should we change the title to "Unknown Custom AR-15" instead because it's still a AR-15 of-some-sort, but we can still keep the "AR-16" pic and the name in description and the captions, and since it's a "Unknown Custom AR-15", we don't have to add additional pics. Plus we can't trust all the weapon names in the game anyway, remember the "G3KA4" and the FAL "Paratrooper". - Mr. Wolf 12:56, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I dunno, I prefer quote-unquote name for weapons that are unknowable rather than just unknown (see also Dark Sector's "Trooper Gun" which is not down as "unknown pneumatic gatling gun"). "Unknown" tends to imply an answer may theoretically exist. Vangelis 13:03, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

So what, just "Custom AR-15" then? I go with custom because I know there's like millions of custom AR-15s out there. - Mr. Wolf 13:20, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with how it is, personally. It's now really misleading since it is in quotes, and it's certainly how I've formatted other articles I've written with hard-to-identify weapons we don't want further guessing on. Vangelis 13:27, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

So should I remove the quotes? - Mr. Wolf 13:29, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Um, why would you do that? Vangelis 13:33, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

You said "It's now really misleading since it is in quotes", did you mean quotation marks? - Mr. Wolf 13:36, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Oops. I meant not really misleading. D: Vangelis 13:46, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

lol. XD Alright I'll leave it as is, until we find something out. - Mr. Wolf 13:53, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I think that the gun in the game is just meant to be a generic AR-15 style rifle with little or no concern for what kind it is. The burst feature is taken from an M16A2 or A4, but the actual appearance of the weapon suggests that there may not have been one specific gun used for a model. Chitoryu12 19:22, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

- SG: The AR in the game seems to be actually mostly based on the Taiwan T 91 Assult Rifle. The barrell, the front, grip, lower reciever all look very similar. only there's no gap between the barrell and the reciever in the real one, and it seems the ingame version has a solid stock my like the T 65s. the rail ontop is a bit different to with ingame version having holes on the side below the picatinny rail, and of course the ejection port and bullet push assist being on the wrong side. This is just my guess and how i see it. I'm no gun expert but i couldnt help but notice how similar they looked. check it out.

Edits Summary

Made a few edits to the page, detailed here:

For some reason the last four items were sub-numbered as 26.1 26.2 etc, despite those entries having nothing to do with item 26.
Added info about the bonus machetes.
Added info about the AR-16 and made "Armalite" the primary name as that's the one most commonly used.
Added info about gold AK-47s.
Minor typographical and spelling edits, e.g. "fortune pack".
Some minor grammatical changes ("in the game" as opposed to "in game") to make the article consistent.

Hope these are ok. DamageW 02:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

New screencaps

I've uploaded a few now and I'm doing the rest later; I know there's an inverted colour band on the right of these, that's just a compatibility issue between my capture device and my PS3 I can't do anything about. I'll see about replacing all these with shots from the PC version when I get it. Dongs 19:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm currently downloading the PC version [legally, before anyone grrs at this] and I have a map of all the diamond locations, so I should be able to get all the weapons again fairly quickly. I'm planning to screencap all the misfires / jams and weapon failures as well, since some of them are interesting or amusing [the entire front falls off the USAS-12, for example]. Tim 17:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Screencap all the reloads as well.-Oliveira 18:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, first thing I've found; in possibly the stupidest design decision ever, FC2 saves screenshots as 1-2.5 meg PNGs. Tim 20:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

If you don't have a screencap of you firing an large caliber rifle with the caption " In the words of Tim Colceri, "Get Some!" well, let's just say that things will not turn in your favor.-Oliveira 21:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It'll be a while before I can get my hands on an AS50 again [I recall there's a borked one in a mission, otherwise I'll have to wait until the South]. I will do so when it comes along, though. Tim 22:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You can do it with an Machine Gun too. But it has to be an huge Machine gun.-Oliveira 22:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

To reply to the above comment about--M14fanboy 00:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC) gun failures, the ENTIRE front of the USAS just FALLS off, wow.

As I recall, yes. I've only had the USAS blow up on me once, but I'm fairly sure it basically broke in half, the forearm, barrel and gas piston all coming away at the same time. I'll see when I get a new one. Getting shots of kBs should be easier on the PC version since I can quicksave before each shot. Dongs 09:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, done taking shots for tonight and about to switch PCs. Took 122 screenshots which wound up taking up 247 megs [!]. Now just need to pick out the good ones and get them uploaded. Won't have all the weapons today, but there's a good few of the missing ones I'm going to at least have something for. And those 122 include a lot of duplicates and hammering the screenshot button during reloads, so don't think they're all going in or anything silly like that. Tim 01:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- There, that's all of them for now. Dongs 04:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

There are still some guns missing. What happended to Tim though? He said that he would get screenshots of the jam animations. Also, the captions are way too funny. Good job Dongs.-Oliveira 12:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Tim is my login on my other PC since I forgot the password to this login. Dongs 12:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Shit, you could just write the password down or something.-Oliveira 12:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, the reason they're not all capped yet is I got the PC version - the older screencaps are PS3 captures which don't look as good, partly because my capture device is really only made for capping video, not high-quality stills. A run through the game takes a long time if you're trying to get all the weapons, so this article is going to be a while in the making; it's not like I have a set of existing quicksaves like Crysis or a devmode to quickly get the pictures like Far Cry. Plus I have to find good views to capture, since I'm not fond of videogame articles where the player is looking at the same thing in every shot [see Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix for a particularly good example of why]. Dongs 12:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, put gun pictures on the sections. Thanks!-Oliveira 14:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

And take some pictures of the non-golden AK-47 and pictures of the FALs that are in good condition.-Oliveira 11:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's one plain AK there now; a non-borked FAL will be a little while yet, you can't buy one until the second map. Dongs 11:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Why? Is there just one FN FAL? that's pretty weird if there is only one FAL.-Oliveira 11:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The way it works is that there's an arms dealer. He's got a warehouse which has an infinite supply of brand new weapons as long as you've paid him to stock them, but first you have to do missions for him, and only half of those missions are in the North. So, some of the weapons stay locked until you reach the second map. Since all enemy weapons default to being borked, that means I can't get a new FAL until the second map. Same with things like the AS50, SAW, Carl Gustav and so on. Dongs 11:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Damm, Don't rush it. Just play the game. I can wait.-Oliveira 11:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

SPAS-12 and USAS-12

Hard to believe, but Ubisoft messed up with both of these shotguns in Far Cry 2.

First off, the SPAS-12 is depicted as having a 12 round tubular magazine, which is obviously does not.

Second, the USAS-12 is depicted as only having a 12-round drum magazine, while it actually holds 20 rounds.

I think they thought the '12' referred to the weapon's capacity rather than the gauge. Shame we didn't get a 37-round Ithaca out of that error. Tim 17:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Or a 107 round Barret .50

however, it could be balancing issues is the SPAS more powerful in the game then the USAS? i don't own the game so i don't know a lot about the particulars

The only difference between the SPAS and USAS is the rate of fire, as the USAS is fully auto and the SPAS pump. And yeah, a 37-round Ithaca would be cool to have.--M14fanboy 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Uh guys, the SPAS 12 in-game is SEMI-AUTO, the 12 in SPAS 12 stands for the model not gauge (the 12 in USAS 12 might stand for gauge though), the .50 cal sniper rifle in the game is a AI AS50, not a Barret M82A3/M107 - Mr. Wolf

It's hardly the silliest thing in the game, either. I've just got a wonderful screenshot of the reload for the Springfield. The caption will have to be "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" Tim 21:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

True, I always wondered about the box magazine on the Springfield.

- It's not even a box magazine, that would almost be sensible. He shoves a stripper clip into it. Tim 22:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

- - Stripper clips you say? I always thought you could only reload a Springfield with single rounds at a time...--M14fanboy 22:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the only way that the M1903 can be reloaded. Also, the player puts the stripper clip on an hole in front of the trigger guard. Now that is fucked up.-Oliveira 22:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the non-sniper versions of the M1903 can be loaded with stripper clips [the A4 only can't because the scope is mounted directly over the action], but I'm not sure why the FC2 M1903A4 has a hole in the bottom to load through. I certainly don't know where they got the idea that you put the entire thing, clip and all, into the gun. Tim 23:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I think they did that for gameplay reasons. Make the reload faster.-Oliveira 23:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but it's odd to do that rather than use a bolt-action rifle that can reload by stripper clip, give the Springfield some kind of custom scope that leaves the action accessible, or just use a bolt-action with a detachable magazine. Tim 23:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, they could have used the M40, or M21, or any number of bolt or semi-auto sniper rifles with detachable mags.

But i don't think Guerrillas in Africa would use M21s or M40s. But i don't think they use M1903s either.-Oliveira 00:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

True, while the M40 and M21 are a bit to expensive for them, I'd think the Springfield would be out of most any group's arsenal by now. I dunno then, what rifle should they use? Also, just found a pistol they should put in the next one or a DLC pack, the LAR Grizzly .45 Win Mag--M14fanboy 00:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I would much rather have a S&W 686+P over a LAR-S&Wshooter 00:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Me too. And about weapons used by guerrillas, i think Mosin Nagants would be used.-Oliveira 00:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

GOD NO! Shooting the Mosin should be punishment for criminals-S&Wshooter 00:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

you can have your revolvers, nothing beats a good automatic though. Then again, that S@W 500 is a beast...--M14fanboy 00:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the Mosin Nagant. :)

I love this game

I am a complete badass on this game. Every time I fire at the driver of a car, he gets one in the head even if I'm not really aiming-76.31.5.208 03:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

I don't think this game is really good but they got some awesome guns in it. They got a metric FN FAL AND an G3. how cool is that?-Oliveira 15:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah and no Glock's, Berettta's or G36C's in sight-76.31.5.208 16:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

Now they only need is an AK-74 with wooden hand guards and wooden stock and an Jericho 941.-Oliveira 16:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Also a CZ-75, a Galil and a S&W 686+P-76.31.5.208 19:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

Yeah, we need more Galils in games. The Galil would be fitting since the i saw an report about how the Galil AR and ARM (Along with AK type rifles, FN FALs and G3s) were common in the hands of Janjaweed and other guerrillas in Darfur. I remember that most of the Galils had wooden Hand Guards as well.-Oliveira 19:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I would way rather have a 686 though-S&Wshooter 22:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

An 686 would make sense in the hands of the guerrillas. Guerillas like shiny guns.-Oliveira 22:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

And it's reliable. I've had the casing of a .357 shell pop inside the gun without it having any negative effects-S&Wshooter 22:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

This was a pretty ok game to play, love the open world, but the problem is it takes you forever to get from one place to another, even with the bus and cars. Enemies respawn too fast and it takes have a mag to kill them. Your shots are never always true, but enemies' always hits you dead on or when you are sneaking. Excalibur01 04:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever your playing as must be a shitastic shot cuz I almost NEVER miss and kill everyone with an average of 10 shots with an assault rifle-76.31.5.208 04:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

I always found that while the gunplay is good, the map's too big for the ideas they had to fill it. It's like they sat down and said "what can we make the player do so they'll see all our work" rather than "what is the player going to want to do in our world," so things feel a little aimless. Dongs 04:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- I also found it very silly that while you can configure keys to have "Use" as "F," "Exit mounted gun" is always "E." I got stuck on a mounted gun before I figured that out. Dongs 05:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
  - All this talk about Far Cry 2 has made me wanna pop my copy out of it's case and play it again.--M14fanboy 19:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Couple of mystery M16s here.

Found a magazine with a couple of M16s shown in it, was wondering if anyone has any idea on versions.

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Dongs 09:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The M16s could be anything since we can't see the receivers.-Oliveira 12:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The page on the left is actually a bunch of shots of lower recievers, but it is rather hard to make out. I'll see if there's one I can actually zoom in on somewhere. Tim 04:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

To the guy who posted the "Get some!" pic

Thanks alot man, that picture is simply epic.--142.162.149.33 17:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm the one that made Dongs write that caption. I really love Full Metal Jacket.-Oliveira 17:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Well thanks for that, knew that quote was from the crazy door gunner.--142.162.149.33 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

AS50 jam and failure?

Can anyone tell me what the AS50s jam and failure animations are?--M14fanboy 20:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I recall the jam is similar to the other sniper rifles; the weapon locks up with the bolt closed, leaving him yanking the stuck charging handle and turning the gun left and right (because, you know, that helps) until you prompt him to pull it firmly. I forget what the kB is, I'll have to find out. Tim 21:34, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
- Well, now I know [and have a picture]. The whole barrel comes off and flies backwards over the character's head. Seriously. Tim 22:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
  - And there it is! Dongs 01:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
    - Good god, it blows in half?!?! That's one dangerous rifle!--M14fanboy 03:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
      - The silliest part is that kB animations trigger after firing (as opposed to jams which trigger before) and the AS50 has already cycled and ejected a casing when that happens. So either the rest of the magazine was full of extra gas pressure, or Frank needs to stop loading .50 cal sticks of dynamite into random mags. Dongs 05:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
        Yeah, the, newfangled .50 caliber dynomite rounds are sure dangerous! But really, I tested out an AS50 on my second profile, and it still scares me how the barrel tries to crack you in the head--M14fanboy 16:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I've just got the Tranq rifle kB. It has to be seen to be believed, I'll get on the other PC and upload it shortly. Tim 07:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- And that's the update for today. Dongs 09:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Suppressed Shotgun

(Just putting this here for future reference

Edit-This is NOT and 11-87, in the game it operates like a pump action shotgun, and has a safety on the TOP of the gun, instead of a cross-bolt safety found on Remingtons. Therefore there is no possible way that this is a semi-automatic 11-87.- RedJedRevolver

Oh. I just went with what was already here until I could check up on it, feel free to change it if it isn't right. - Tim.

It's fine, I'm not sure what it is. Could be some bastard Mossberg with that safety and that pump.-RedJedRevolver

IEDs

I'm probably going to add these at some point even though they're not a gun as such; it cycles between three, a mortar round, a land mine and a pipe bomb. Since one of them is a round from one of the other weapons I think they count for trivia purposes at least. Especially if I can also ID the land mine. Dongs 10:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Mk.19

Fuck that Chicom POS mortar. If you aim right you can totally use the Mk.19 as a mortar and actually HIT things with it.S&Wshooter 01:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I don't get why they went with such a silly system of using the mortar; at least giving the player *some* way to find range other than slowly lobbing an infinite supply of smoke rounds around at random would have been nice. Tim 01:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- That said, in the PC version you can't miss with the mortar and it should just say 'press F5 to activate aim mode and F9 to adjust aim.' Tim 20:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Norinco Type 63

While as far as I can tell this weapon exists, the internet will be damned if it has a picture of the thing. I therefore surmise that the Type 63 is invisible. Vangelis 10:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha. I lauged so hard when I read this --Chablar 14:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, I sure hope the internet likes being damned. --85.3.48.132 12:56, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Yeah, you try googling for it in 2009, though. I tried again recently and found a whole page of them rather than a page of random objects none of which were mortars. Vangelis 13:00, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Captions

Whoever did the captions... I love you. I laughed so hard. -protoAuthor

It was Vangelis/Dongs/Tim. He is a genious.-Oliveira 03:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

btw that caption about the "silenced shotgun", Mr. Identity crisis that charging handle layout is also on the 1100, and I think a few others as well.-RedJedRevolver

Yeah, but I thought I'd just name one specifically that had that feature; the 11-87's 1100-derived so it's no surprise they both have similar layout, and the caption seemed awkward with both names in there. Vangelis 13:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it's fine, since no one can point on specifically which gun it came from one name is as good as any other.-RedJedRevolver

I also have to praise the caption work, especially the "where is your god" and "get some" sniper rifle captions.--M14fanboy 16:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Vangelis did the "Get Some" caption on my command.-Oliveira 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

+1, this is the funniest article thing I've read for a month, maybe two. Top job! --MattyDienhoff 19:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It's amazing the things you find out by accident...

I'm so damn proud of that chicken screenshot. I was just trying to blow it up for a funny demo of the bolt explosion, I had no idea it would do that. Vangelis 11:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Ejection Ports in games now

Why do game developers keep putting the ejection port on the left side of the weapon. It makes no since what so ever. It does not look cool, it looks stupid when a right-handed person is using left-handed weapons. Are game developers even paying attention to what weapons they use in game? - Kilgore 17:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

It lets them show off their awesome graffics engine and to the general populace having casings flying around on screen helps create the feeling that they are in fact blazing away with a machine gun. It's an aesthetic choice, not one based on realism. - Double Agent M

That is still no excuse to do that. I don't mind assault rifles and handguns that much, but left handed bolt-action rifles are the things that just make no since! At least they could have made it eject to the right like they did the light machine guns, instead of making so you have to operate the bolt in a very strange way. - Kilgore 19:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

What makes this phenomenon odd for this game in particular, is that we have a PKM, which in the real world has an ejection port on the left hand side, but in the game it is placed on the right hand side! Nohomers48 05:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The trend started with Counter-Strike, since the creator was left-handed. When he decided to go for right-handed characters to make it less unusual, he simply mirrored the models. They've basically been following the leader since then, but Crytek apparently went just completely blindly and figured that mirroring every model was just "the thing to do." Chitoryu12 19:29, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

Cool fact

According to Dennis Croukamp's book "The Bush War In Rhodesia", there actually at one point was an arms dealer who was known as "The Jackal". He got caught fairly early in the war though-S&Wshooter 22:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If Lord of War is any indication, Viktor Bout (the person Nicolas Cage's character was based on) probably got a piece of that action too at that time. Did this Jackal sell weaponry to armed groups in the time period depicted in Blood Diamond too? --Mazryonh 23:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Dart rifle - Actually a Pneu-Dart Model 389?

I think the article might be completely wrong on the dart rifle. Rather than being based on an actual rifle, it looks like a Pneu-Dart Model 389 tranquilizer rifle to me. Check it here. Thoughts? -Mujoe 04:18, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

Wow, that looks a hell of a lot if not exactly the same as the Dart rifle in the game! Makes me wonder if there's a real version of the game's "AR-16" aka the unknown custom AR-15. - Mr. Wolf 07:49, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

That actually does seem possible, but they've messed it up if that's what they were going for, since they've dropped the break-open barrel down to the level it would be on a normal rifle; certainly not what I'd call identical. They probably either half-and-halfed that and an M40 or just didn't know how the 389 was supposed to be loaded with the barrel up there and so made it a bolt-action. Evil Tim 01:45, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

I see what you mean, had to look at the Dart rifle again. - Mr. Wolf 02:41, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

So, change it to "Tranquilizer Rifle" (quotes) and add the picture and explaination? I always did wonder what that thingy under the scope was, it looks like it's the back end of the Pneu-Dart's barrel with the gas regulator's setting knob missing. Also, the Pneu-Dart actually does have that weird little magazine-thingy underneath; I wonder what it's for? Evil Tim 07:51, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

I think that works fine. By the way, it says the little magazine-thingy is for .22 cal "Power Loads", high-power .22 blanks propel the darts I guess. lol, It also says 5 Shot "Clip", lol. - Mr. Wolf 09:49, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Ah, so it's not pneumatic. I guess that makes sense, though I have to raise an eyebrow at what ends up as a bolt-action, break-open rifle with two breeches; seems to just be complex for the sake of being complex. Still, FC2 seems to think the magazine is a gas bottle (it hisses when he removes it), so they got that wrong, too. Edit: Wait, what the hell: how does this one work? o_O Evil Tim 11:24, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

I... Have... No... Idea. 0_o - Mr. Wolf 13:37, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Makarov

Hi all, I'm Drebin. Thi is my first comment, so be cool, I'm just trying to help. I've been playing Far Cry 2 for a couple of years now, and like you, I have always believed this gun to be a Makarov. However, I stumbled upon a Hungarian PPK "copy" that I believe is the one in the game. I'm talking about the FEG PA-63. The shape and, more to the point, the colors, match perfectly. Check it out - http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FEG_PA-63 Great page by the way, really thorough in the picture department, showing all the actions and what not. Thanks a lot. Drebin

I've taken a look, and while the colours are similar there's differences; for example, the FC2 Makarov's grip has a gap between the top and the slide like a Makarov, while the PA-63's goes all the way up to the bottom of the cocking serrations. The PA-63 also has a round button (mag release) on the frame while the only thing there on the FC2 Mak and real Mak is the slide release (a vaguely rectangular tab). Grip spur on the PA-63 forms a straight line with the back of the slide while on the Mak and FC2 Mak it's a curve. Evil Tim 02:07, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Golden AKs

Who sais that the golden AKs have to be based off the one in Lord of War, there have been several games with golden AKs so why is this particular one based on Lord of War. Furthermore, the golden AKs in this game are full sized with removed stocks, where as the one in LOW is a more compact AK with a side folding stock. User:1911isthebestgunever

That's why it says "it's possible" it's a reference, not that it is one. Evil Tim 02:47, 5 February 2012 (CST)

Guns Mirrored?

Is it me or do most of the guns in the game seem mirrored? The writer notes the oddity of a left handed bolt on the Springfield, but the Dart Rifle has a left-handed bolt as well. Again, according to the writer, the SAW and the PKM eject and feed from the opposite sides from real life. My points to add are that the charging handles for the AS-50, Dragunov and the AK-47 are on the left when they should be on the right and the FAL is vice versa. The ejection port on the Makarov is on the left when it should be on the right the same with the Star and the Mac-10. The SPAS 12 and USAS-12 cock and eject on the left when they should on the right. Do you reckon the models were made and animated right before being flipped or they just payed that little attention to photos of the weapon they were drawing? User:theocd

They're mirrored. According to the designers of STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl the logic behind this is that throwing brass across the screen looks more "dynamic," and I imagine the logic was the same here. Though the SAW is right (ejecting to the right), presumably because this showed more of the belt during loading (which is why they in turn mirrored the PKM). Evil Tim 11:39, 8 May 2012 (CDT)

But things like the 6P9 and the Uzi eject correctly to the right throwing the brass off-screen. I thought it would be for 'drama' but then why do it on a random selection? Gah, game developers.... Thanks anyway. --Theocd 07:22, 9 May 2012 (CDT)

Great Page

Just wanted to say, kudos to whoever put this page together. It's probably the best one I've come across on this site, informative and amusing.--Leigh Burne 06:15, 10 May 2012 (CDT)

Felt like seconding this. The Far Cry 2 article is a true work of art. Mutant1988 (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2015 (EST)

Flare Gun

Contrary to what somebody wrote about the flare gun not being useful for anything except starting fires, if you fire it into the air, it will attract enemy soldiers to the location of the flare.

As a result, entire checkpoints will be left unattended for a temporary amount of time.

Random Question

How which country is the game based on? The names of the places means something in some language?--Dannyguns (talk) 11:55, 30 January 2017 (EST)

It's set somewhere in central Africa. --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2017 (EST)

I get that. But I thinked to properly ID it from language. Leboa-Sako, Bowa-Seko, or Mosate Selao should mean something.--Dannyguns (talk) 08:10, 31 January 2017 (EST)

Googletranslations say is Lesotho.--Dannyguns (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2017 (EST)

Well the country they visited to do research was Kenya. Evil Tim (talk) 09:25, 31 January 2017 (EST)

Maybe cause Lesotho is more dangerous or maybe flights to Kenya had lower price, or the pick up a casual african country. Or LAZYNESS.--Dannyguns (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2017 (EST)

Homeland 37

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I know this is rather nitpicky, but outside of the the name, what makes the Homeland 37 an Ithaca? Aside from the left-sided ejection port, it has a completely different magazine tube endcap design and forend, and the trigger guard and safety placement is pretty close to the Remington 870's.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:45, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

The side ejection port actually makes it most certainly not an Ithaca, as those have no side ports; they eject from the bottom. That, in addition to the parts you mentioned. This is definitely modeled after a different shotgun, what exactly eludes me at present - Some features match an 870 but some don't; The ejection port is different shaped, and the mag tube endcap and the trigger guard aren't exactly right for an 870. All-told, it has some details that match a couple different makes-models. StanTheMan (talk) 14:21, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

I've been going off the 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun guide and the triggerguard looks pretty close to the S&W 3000 or 870 given the general shape and safety placement. The ejection port does match the shape of a Mossberg, though. And yeah, I'd say the magazine tube is probably just a fictional design.--AgentGumby (talk) 14:56, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

FAL barrel length

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Looking at this shot, the barrel looks to be around 17 or 18 inches, which would line up with the barrel length of the 50.63 model. That might be where the devs got the idea to call it a "Paratrooper", apparently not realizing that name would also imply a folding stock. Kadorhal (talk) 22:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)

Naw, even the 50.63 has more barrel before the flash hider than that, it looks more like they based it on one of the IMBEL or DSA carbine FALs. Evil Tim (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2018 (EST)

M1903 Reload

The description of the M1903's reload doesn't really convey the full horror - not only is it loaded from beneath, the clip is inserted with the rounds, and furthermore before this a fully loaded clip is taken out. --Tamarin88 (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2019 (EST)

Page Layout

Is there a particular reason why the firearms are listed by Primary/Secondary weapons rather than Handguns/Submachine Guns/Shotguns/Assault Rifles/etc. like any other media page. User:1morey February 2, 2019 11:02 AM (EST)

Other than whoever made it that way just because and nobody bothered to question or change it, no. If the 'primary'/'secondary'/etc are actual noted categories in the game they can be noted in the writeup for each weapon, the page should not be categorized as such. That said the whole page needs a do-over - Not only are these 'sections' resulting in weapon types being all over the place and making reference impossible to anyone who doesn't actually know the game, but the oversize thumbnail pages are exceedingly tacky looking and while some are okay I think this page is perhaps overdoing it with some of the 'fun statements'. StanTheMan (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2019 (EST)

Bah, just saw that this page was locked out by Evil Tim and for some inconceivable reason has stayed that way for seven years now - which seems rather ridiculous and arbitrary, frankly. Anyway that would probably be the biggest reason why it hasn't been able to be fixed up. That said, if Tim won't square this page away himself he should unlock it so somebody else can. StanTheMan (talk) 13:29, 1 February 2019 (EST)

I strongly urge against a lot of revisions here as this is one of IMFDB’s most well known pages. Having said that, adjusting the thumbnail images isn’t a bad idea.--AgentGumby (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2019 (EST)

"oversize thumbnail pages"? I though 600px was the standard. --Tamarin88 (talk) 15:22, 1 February 2019 (EST)

It's actually the thumbnails of the real weapons that are oversized. The in-game screencaps are fine. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2019 (EST)

To clarify, yes U94N said it - the weapon thumbnails (most of them anyway) are too large. I appreciate that they may all be the same size for uniformity but it's long been agreed thumbs for the smaller guns (handguns but also a few others) don't need to be so large in comparison to the long guns and the screenshot thumbs themselves. That said, the other edits are again to bring this page in line with the rest on the site; how it is laid out now is frankly a mess and wholly counter-intuitive for reference. As for it being a 'well known' page, that's no excuse - if anything it's more reason to bring it to the same standard as the others, not less. In fact I'm sad it has been like this for so long since it is so damn different from all the others. Ultimately this is all pretty much moot until an admin either makes said changes or opens the page back up. StanTheMan (talk) 22:11, 1 February 2019 (EST)

I have said previously that if the game has some system of sorting weapons that makes at least some loose kind of sense, doesn't involve incorrect weapon classifications (CoD GPMGs classified as LMGs) and doesn't have that many weapons in total, we can use that: I did the same for Dark Sector. The idea being it's easier for someone who's actually played the game to look up weapons like this. Evil Tim (talk) 02:12, 4 February 2019 (EST)

That kind of flies in the face of the main point of the site - We're here to serve as a reference for the firearms, not for the game itself. Organization should be to serve that point and it should be fairly uniform - I can grant some tweaking of it and all but to do it this way using game-specific reference and thus make it convenient only to those familiar with the game (which isn't necessarily the only people who view such pages) just seems counter-intuitive and arbitrary compared the rest of the site, especially given there's a load of games that have arguably less hokey internal weapon categorization as this and we don't do it that way for them. It 'making at least some loose kind of sense' is very subjective - I have played the game and this is still a mess of a layout to me. Again I grant there's always exceptions but this seems to just going a bit too far. And to be blunt if it's only you that has decided for it to be that way well that only makes it more arbitrary, not less. StanTheMan (talk) 14:29, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Just let the page be. --Wuzh (talk) 14:33, 4 February 2019 (EST)

What's the point in reinventing the wheel for a page for a 10+ year old game? It works, it's a good reference for anyone who played it and wants to know "what X gun is" and it's the pinnacle of our terrible gun sarcasm. We don't need to fix every single page on this site when we're sitting on a bounty of old Soviet movies and animes with little to no layout at all. Put the effort where it's needed rather than where it isn't. --PaperCake 17:44, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Asking for a page to follow an otherwise unilateral standard of style and layout is hardly 'reinventing the wheel'. That said, I daresay if not for it having been locked all this time I'm certain it would have been edited to be like the other pages a long damn time ago. I mean, even the other pages in the franchise follow the typical layout of categories by weapon type. Bottom-line I'm just not seeing why this page really has to be different, why it deserves some kind of special treatment compared to the rest - to the point of making sure almost no one can change it. Eh, I'd appreciate some other admin input on this. And if I still get overruled, well, so be it then. StanTheMan (talk) 23:23, 4 February 2019 (EST)

Please don't go admin-shopping. The reason the other Far Cry games aren't ordered like this is that the slot system isn't as strict: there's no limits at all in 3, and in 4 and 5 the only criteria is that one slot must contain a weapon classified as a sidearm, but the other slots can also contain sidearms so there's not a lot of point dividing it up like that (not to mention how absurdly large the "not sidearms" category would have to be). Given I wrote all of these pages and laid them out, don't you think I'd know why I did that?

Standards are a useful template for how to lay out a page if you can't think of a way to lay out a page, not an absolute: if someone has a decent reason to make a non-standard page layout, that's fine and good, and it shouldn't be standardised if it works. And since this is one of our most popular and widely-praised pages, it clearly does work. There's plenty of other examples of non-standard content: we don't normally have a section on tanks, but Fury does. We don't normally allow knives, but the Rambo knives are allowed and the justification is "because it's Rambo." We don't normally have sections for fake guns on an obvious stop-motion model, but Robocop does. We don't normally have sections for battleship cannons, but Pearl Harbor does. Some articles have trivia at the bottom, some on the talk page. Non-standard does not automatically mean it needs to be standard, we're not that kind of site.

Also, Bunni likes this page. That's essentially why I'm an admin. I'm fairly sure "the owner of the site likes it" counts for a fair bit. Evil Tim (talk) 02:40, 5 February 2019 (EST)

Eh, that it does. Very well then, that'll be it. ..Certainly can't say I didn't try though, huh? ;P StanTheMan (talk) 13:09, 5 February 2019 (EST)

"AR-16"

The so called "AR-16" is a custom AR. The receiver is obviously a standard receiver, but I'll leave its precise identification to someone more knowledgeable on ARs. The handguard is from/inspired by the Taiwanese T86 rifle. But the info can't be added since this article is also locked. --Nanomat (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

The only thing that looks like an AR-16 on that rifle is maybe the ejection port, the gas system and the hand guard slightly, and maybe the flash hider, but the handguard is definitely inspired by the Taiwanese T86 like you said. The rest of the rifle looks to have a normal lower receiver except for a lack of a bolt release, lack of a magazine release assembly (although the pin is there), and the weird fire selections. It does however have all the pins in mostly the right places (even the auto sear pin).

The upper is obviously mirrored (like almost every gun in this game), the ejection port lacks a dust cover, the charging handle is super tiny, it has two "boxes" for the cam pin to rotate (which is absurd), it has a delta ring (which the AR-16 does not), and has an M16 buttstock. The rear of the upper also looks odd.

I think the page's description "an essentially fictional AR-15 based rifle labeled as an AR-16" is an understatement.

Also the entire page needs to be reorganized into the normal pistols, SMGs, shotguns, assault rifles, sniper rifles, machine guns, launchers, grenades, mounted weapons, etc. type of layout, but like you said its locked and I doubt any of the admins will unlock it. --TheFlyingDutchman (talk) 06:13, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

You should try making an appeal to the admins directly on their talk pages. --Wuzh (talk) 06:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I already made a very impassioned appeal about changing the layout some time back and got shot down (actually it's the ridiculous pile of text right above this section). Simply put the man who owns and pays for the site likes it this way and that's pretty much it - Every place has it's bit of arbitrariness and this page is one of those bits I guess. As for that gun ID, that's another story. StanTheMan (talk) 14:23, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I mean, the appeals should be made directly on the admin's user talk pages (not on this page), so we can communicate the point more directly. --Wuzh (talk) 04:03, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

The media page's talk page is the proper place to discuss edits on/for said page - I wouldn't start going on any admin's talk page directly unless there's been a long time lack of response. Bear in mind we're all volunteers here and things sometimes take a minute to be attended to. That said, I got plenty of response before myself - I'm sure this next round will be addressed in due course. StanTheMan (talk) 14:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

I believe the layout is alright as is, but I also agree that the AR-16 and Homeland 37 that I've also talked about a few years ago could have some up-to-date/newer standards ID.--AgentGumby (talk) 09:40, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

The Alleged Springfield

I can't believe that nobody's pointed this out yet, but is that even a Springfield? The receiver's completely wrong - if anything, the bolt and safety look like a (left-handed, of course) Remington 700. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 10:35, 16 January 2022 (EST)

It's an older game, so along with the alleged Ithaca I can see why this has never been brought up. I can see it too, although the thing still has the full stock and barrel band of a 1903 so it's a bit more of a hybrid. I think just back when this page was first written, the in-game names were really the only thing used for ID-ing the guns.--AgentGumby (talk) 10:44, 16 January 2022 (EST)

Yeah, stuff has really changed a lot since then. And the fact that this page was edit-locked for a while probably means that it didn't get swept along with the changes like most of the higher-profile pages out there. Anyway, I'll change it now. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2022 (EST) EDIT: Or not, since apparently I forgot that it's still edit-locked.

Article unlock?

Can this article be unlocked so we can edit it? --Nanomat (talk) 20:34, 30 January 2022 (EST)

You should make your request on the admins' talk pages for a better chance to have your request heard. --Wuzh (talk) 04:15, 31 January 2022 (EST)

Talk:Far Cry 2: Difference between revisions

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AR-15

Edits Summary

New screencaps

SPAS-12 and USAS-12

I love this game

Couple of mystery M16s here.

To the guy who posted the "Get some!" pic

AS50 jam and failure?

Suppressed Shotgun

IEDs

Mk.19

Norinco Type 63

Captions

It's amazing the things you find out by accident...

Ejection Ports in games now

Cool fact

Dart rifle - Actually a Pneu-Dart Model 389?

Makarov

Golden AKs

Guns Mirrored?

Great Page

Flare Gun

Random Question

Homeland 37

FAL barrel length

M1903 Reload

Page Layout

"AR-16"

The Alleged Springfield

Article unlock?

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 Yeah Excalibur is right, A3's were FA but had an A2 carry handle, the confusion comes from some armorers have slapped A4 uppers onto A1 or other FA lowers.--[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
+I've much wondered what this was, and I've come up with the following:
+-M16A2 receiver and buttstock
+-FAL handguards and carry handle
+-Some sort of ACOGish scope--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
+:Typing AR-16 into wikipedia redirects to the AR-18 article. And the rifle's handguards don't look like FAL handguards. It does, however, have the FAL's carry handle.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
+*This is largely why I haven't added a real gun picture to that section yet; I'm not sure if it's supposed to be an actual AR-16 prototype, an AR-18 or some sort of random M16A-something custom job. Similarly, I haven't done so for the Tranq rifle because I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a Remington 700 or an M40. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
+**Now that you mention the AR-18, the handguards do like like those of an AR-18...--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 19:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
+:*The M16A3 does have a removable carry handle and it full auto. Its the A2 that's burst with a fixed carry handle, and the A4 that's burst with a removable carry handle. I have no idea about this gun. Im guessing its made up. Everything is backwards, the bolt assist and ejection port are on the wrong side. The piccatiny rail is slightly raised and isn't as flushed with the receiver as it should be. The handguard and carrying handle appear to be borrowed from the FAL or SLR. --[[User:Chablar|Chablar]] 14:12, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
+Well, here's a shot of the reciever of the first one in the game:
+[[Image:FC2-borkedAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+For your examination and identification. Also, I notice the selector switch is vertical, so apparently this is some weird safe-burst-auto configuration [or single is the third setting]. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
+I still think it should be called a Custom AR-15. As far as the name goes, I think Ubisoft just combined AR-15 and M16, I don't think they ever meant it to be an actual AR-16. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
+* It's possible, certainly, but there's a few AR-18-like aspects to it that suggest they were at least ''aware'' there was a 7.62mm version. I'm kinda guessing they modeled the weapon first, then said "what's an AR-15-like rifle that shoots 7.62mm NATO" and picked the name that way. Having "Armalite" in the name is curiously specific and suggests someone on the team was aware there actually was an AR-16, even if they didn't try to make the game gun look like it in the slightest. Regardless, I stand by the label: it's a quote-unquote AR-16, because we can't really put a specific name to it so we might as well stick to what they call it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:13, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::What exactly is "AR-18-like about it? Cus' it's differently not the handguards, look at this [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=File:Armalite-AR18.jpg]] and look carefully at the above pic; they look nothing alike. Oh and to add to the confusion, it also has a HK front sight. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:54, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::Looks like if you took that, made it so the bottom of it was flat almost the entire length with a steep diagonal step at the back, then added the holes from the actual AR-16 handguard to it (with one extra one). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:22, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::I remember some Amins said something along the lines of: (regarding video games) "On IMFDB we identify firearms based off their appearance, not what the developers/creators might call them", And I severely doubt the developers wanted to make it a AR-16 just because it use 7.62x51mm, I don't that ever crossed their minds. Come on, they made Desert Eagle, a .45, '''and''' a Makarov share the same ammo! I still think they just mixed the M16 and AR-15's names together, didn't you say a similar thing about the DSG-1 in Crysis. Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean or anything. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:11, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::::Yeah, the problem with doing that ''here'' is you'd need about fifteen images of various gun bits. We ''can't'' really name it as a specific weapon (because all we can really say is it's some kind of AR-15 pattern) so I figured it was better to label it as they do, in quote marks, and then explain that it isn't what they say it is. About the only thing we have to go on for a name is that they ''might'' have intended it to be an AR-16 because all the other ARs use 7.62mm ammunition, but it's basically a fictional AR-15. Same with the Fortunes Pack shotguns, which also have the game's names rather than say "unknown shotgun." That rule's really intended for when you ''can'' ID the weapon (for example, it's why the heading for the Desert Eagle isn't "Eagle.50"), it's not really much use when we have a weapon that has no definate ID. Really, here, any name is as good as any other. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:31, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::::So should we change the title to "Unknown Custom AR-15" instead because it's still a AR-15 of-some-sort, but we can still keep the "AR-16" pic and the name in description and the captions, and since it's a "Unknown Custom AR-15", we don't ''have'' to add additional pics. Plus we can't trust all the weapon names in the game anyway, remember the "G3'''K'''A4" and the FAL "'''Paratrooper'''". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:56, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:I dunno, I prefer quote-unquote name for weapons that are unknowable rather than just unknown (see also Dark Sector's "Trooper Gun" which is not down as "unknown pneumatic gatling gun"). "Unknown" tends to imply an answer may theoretically exist. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:03, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::So what, just "Custom AR-15" then? I go with custom because I know there's like millions of custom AR-15s out there. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:20, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with how it is, personally. It's now really misleading since it is in quotes, and it's certainly how I've formatted other articles I've written with hard-to-identify weapons we don't want further guessing on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:27, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::So should I remove the quotes? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:29, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::::Um, why would you do that? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:33, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::::You said "It's now really misleading since it is in quotes", did you mean quotation marks? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:36, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+:::::::Oops. I meant ''not'' really misleading. D: [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:46, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+::::::::lol. XD Alright I'll leave it as is, until we find something out. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+I think that the gun in the game is just meant to be a generic AR-15 style rifle with little or no concern for what kind it is. The burst feature is taken from an M16A2 or A4, but the actual appearance of the weapon suggests that there may not have been one specific gun used for a model. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 19:22, 19 March 2012 (CDT)
+**SG: The AR in the game seems to be actually mostly based on the Taiwan T 91 Assult Rifle. The barrell, the front, grip, lower reciever all look very similar. only there's no gap between the barrell and the reciever in the real one, and it seems the ingame version has a solid stock my like the T 65s. the rail ontop is a bit different to with ingame version having holes on the side below the picatinny rail, and of course the ejection port and bullet push assist being on the wrong side. This is just my guess and how i see it. I'm no gun expert but i couldnt help but notice how similar they looked. check it out.
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 :::Also, put gun pictures on the sections. Thanks!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 ::::And take some pictures of the non-golden AK-47 and pictures of the FALs that are in good condition.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+:::::Well, there's one plain AK there now; a non-borked FAL will be a little while yet, you can't buy one until the second map. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+::Why? Is there just one FN FAL? that's pretty weird if there is only one FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+:::The way it works is that there's an arms dealer. He's got a warehouse which has an infinite supply of brand new weapons as long as you've paid him to stock them, but first you have to do missions for him, and only half of those missions are in the North. So, some of the weapons stay locked until you reach the second map. Since ''all'' enemy weapons default to being borked, that means I can't get a new FAL until the second map. Same with things like the AS50, SAW, Carl Gustav and so on. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+::Damm, Don't rush it. Just play the game. I can wait.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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 *I think they thought the '12' referred to the weapon's capacity rather than the gauge. Shame we didn't get a 37-round Ithaca out of that error. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 17:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
-:Or a 107 round Barret .50
+Or a 107 round Barret .50
 however, it could be balancing issues
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 The only difference between the SPAS and USAS is the rate of fire, as the USAS is fully auto and the SPAS pump. And yeah, a 37-round Ithaca would be cool to have.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
+:Uh guys, the SPAS 12 in-game is SEMI-AUTO, the 12 in SPAS 12 stands for the model not gauge (the 12 in USAS 12 might stand for gauge though), the .50 cal sniper rifle in the game is a AI AS50, not a Barret M82A3/M107 - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
 *It's hardly the silliest thing in the game, either. I've just got a wonderful screenshot of the reload for the Springfield. The caption will have to be "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?" [[User:Tim|Tim]] 21:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
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 : GOD NO! Shooting the Mosin should be punishment for criminals-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 00:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 :::you can have your revolvers, nothing beats a good automatic though. Then again, that S@W 500 is a beast...--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 00:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
+::::I like the Mosin Nagant. :)
 ==I love this game==
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 I'm probably going to add these at some point even though they're not a gun as such; it cycles between three, a mortar round, a land mine and a pipe bomb. Since one of them ''is'' a round from one of the other weapons I think they count for trivia purposes at least. Especially if I can also ID the land mine. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 ==Mk.19==
 Fuck that Chicom POS mortar. If you aim right you can totally use the Mk.19 as a mortar and actually HIT things with it.[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 01:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 *Indeed. I don't get why they went with such a silly system of using the mortar; at least giving the player *some* way to find range other than slowly lobbing an infinite supply of smoke rounds around at random would have been nice. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
+**That said, in the PC version you can't ''miss'' with the mortar and it should just say 'press F5 to activate aim mode and F9 to adjust aim.' [[User:Tim|Tim]] 20:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
+== Norinco Type 63 ==
+While as far as I can tell this weapon exists, the internet will be ''damned'' if it has a picture of the thing. I therefore surmise that the Type 63 is invisible. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
+ Haha. I lauged so hard when I read this --[[User:Chablar|Chablar]] 14:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
+[http://www.lovettartillery.com/pics/60mm_Chinese_image.JPG Well, I sure hope the internet likes being damned.] --[[Special:Contributions/85.3.48.132|85.3.48.132]] 12:56, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+*Yeah, you try googling for it in 2009, though. I tried again recently and found a whole page of them rather than a page of random objects none of which were mortars. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
+== Captions ==
+Whoever did the captions... I love you. I laughed so hard. -protoAuthor
+:It was Vangelis/Dongs/Tim. He is a genious.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 03:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
+::btw that caption about the "silenced shotgun", Mr. Identity crisis that charging handle layout is also on the 1100, and I think a few others as well.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
+:::Yeah, but I thought I'd just name one specifically that had that feature; the 11-87's 1100-derived so it's no surprise they both have similar layout, and the caption seemed awkward with both names in there. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
+::::Alright, it's fine, since no one can point on specifically which gun it came from one name is as good as any other.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
+:::::I also have to praise the caption work, especially the "where is your god" and "get some" sniper rifle captions.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
+::::::Vangelis did the "Get Some" caption on my command.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
+:::::::+1, this is the funniest article thing I've read for a month, maybe two. Top job! --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 19:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
+== It's amazing the things you find out by accident... ==
+I'm so damn proud of that chicken screenshot. I was just trying to blow it up for a funny demo of the bolt explosion, I had no idea it would do that. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
+== Ejection Ports in games now ==
+Why do game developers keep putting the ejection port on the left side of the weapon. It makes no since what so ever. It does not look cool, it looks stupid when a right-handed person is using left-handed weapons. Are game developers even paying attention to what weapons they use in game? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
+It lets them show off their awesome graffics engine and to the general populace having casings flying around on screen helps create the feeling that they are in fact blazing away with a machine gun.  It's an aesthetic choice, not one based on realism. - Double Agent M
+:That is still no excuse to do that. I don't mind assault rifles and handguns that much, but left handed bolt-action rifles are the things that just make no since! At least they could have made it eject to the right like they did the light machine guns, instead of making so you have to operate the bolt in a very strange way. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 19:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
+:What makes this phenomenon odd for this game in particular, is that we have a PKM, which in the real world has an ejection port on the '''left''' hand side, but in the game it is placed on the '''right''' hand side! [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 05:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
+The trend started with [[Counter-Strike]], since the creator was left-handed. When he decided to go for right-handed characters to make it less unusual, he simply mirrored the models. They've basically been following the leader since then, but Crytek apparently went just completely blindly and figured that mirroring every model was just "the thing to do." [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 19:29, 19 March 2012 (CDT)
+==Cool fact==
+:According to Dennis Croukamp's book "The Bush War In Rhodesia", there actually at one point was an arms dealer who was known as "The Jackal". He got caught fairly early in the war though-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 22:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
+If [[Lord of War]] is any indication, Viktor Bout (the person [[Nicolas Cage]]'s character was based on) probably got a piece of that action too at that time. Did this Jackal sell weaponry to armed groups in the time period depicted in [[Blood Diamond]] too? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
+==Dart rifle - Actually a Pneu-Dart Model 389?==
+I think the article might be completely wrong on the dart rifle. Rather than being based on an actual rifle, it looks like a Pneu-Dart Model 389 tranquilizer rifle to me. [http://shop.pneudart.com/cartridge-fired/model-389-rifle/ Check it here]. Thoughts? -[[User:Mujoe|Mujoe]] 04:18, 20 August 2011 (CDT)
+:Wow, that looks a hell of a lot if not exactly the same as the Dart rifle in the game! Makes me wonder if there's a real version of the game's "AR-16" aka the unknown custom '''AR-15'''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:49, 20 August 2011 (CDT)
+::That actually does seem possible, but they've messed it up if that's what they were going for, since they've dropped the break-open barrel down to the level it would be on a normal rifle; certainly not what I'd call identical. They probably either half-and-halfed that and an M40 or just didn't know how the 389 was supposed to be loaded with the barrel up there and so made it a bolt-action. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:45, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+:::I see what you mean, had to look at the Dart rifle again. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:41, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+::::So, change it to "Tranquilizer Rifle" (quotes) and add the picture and explaination? I always did wonder what that thingy under the scope was, it looks like it's the back end of the Pneu-Dart's barrel with the gas regulator's setting knob missing. Also, the Pneu-Dart actually does have that weird little magazine-thingy underneath; I wonder what it's for? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:51, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+:::::I think that works fine. By the way, it says the little magazine-thingy is for .22 cal "Power Loads", high-power .22 blanks propel the darts I guess. lol, It also says 5 Shot "Clip", lol. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 09:49, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+::::::Ah, so it's not pneumatic. I guess that makes sense, though I have to raise an eyebrow at what ends up as a bolt-action, break-open rifle with two breeches; seems to just be complex for the sake of being complex. Still, FC2 seems to think the magazine is a gas bottle (it hisses when he removes it), so they got that wrong, too. Edit: Wait, what the hell: how does [http://shop.pneudart.com/cartridge-fired/model-196-rifle/ this one] work? o_O [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+:::::::I... Have... No... Idea.  0_o - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 25 August 2011 (CDT)
+== Makarov ==
+Hi all, I'm Drebin. Thi is my first comment, so be cool, I'm just trying to help. I've been playing Far Cry 2 for a couple of years now, and like you, I have always believed this gun to be a Makarov. However, I stumbled upon a Hungarian PPK "copy" that I believe is the one in the game. I'm talking about the FEG PA-63. The shape and, more to the point, the colors, match perfectly. Check it out - http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/FEG_PA-63
+Great page by the way, really thorough in the picture department, showing all the actions and what not. Thanks a lot.
+Drebin
+:I've taken a look, and while the colours are similar there's differences; for example, the FC2 Makarov's grip has a gap between the top and the slide like a Makarov, while the PA-63's goes all the way up to the bottom of the cocking serrations. The PA-63 also has a round button (mag release) on the frame while the only thing there on the FC2 Mak and real Mak is the slide release (a vaguely rectangular tab). Grip spur on the PA-63 forms a straight line with the back of the slide while on the Mak and FC2 Mak it's a curve. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 21 November 2011 (CST)
+== Golden AKs ==
+Who sais that the golden AKs have to be based off the one in [[Lord of War]], there have been several games with golden AKs so why is this particular  one based on Lord of War. Furthermore, the golden AKs in this game are full sized with removed stocks, where as the one in LOW is a more compact AK with a side folding stock. [[User:1911isthebestgunever]]
+:That's why it says "it's possible" it's a reference, not that it is one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:47, 5 February 2012 (CST)
+== Guns Mirrored? ==
+Is it me or do most of the guns in the game seem mirrored? The writer notes the oddity of a left handed bolt on the Springfield, but the Dart Rifle has a left-handed bolt as well. Again, according to the writer, the SAW and the PKM eject and feed from the opposite sides from real life. My points to add are that the charging handles for the AS-50, Dragunov and the AK-47 are on the left when they should be on the right and the FAL is vice versa. The ejection port on the Makarov is on the left when it should be on the right the same with the Star and the Mac-10. The SPAS 12 and USAS-12 cock and eject on the left when they should on the right. Do you reckon the models were made and animated right before being flipped or they just payed that little attention to photos of the weapon they were drawing? [[User:theocd]]
+:They're mirrored. According to the designers of ''STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl'' the logic behind this is that throwing brass across the screen looks more "dynamic," and I imagine the logic was the same here. Though the SAW is right (ejecting to the right), presumably because this showed more of the belt during loading (which is why they in turn mirrored the PKM). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:39, 8 May 2012 (CDT)
+::But things like the 6P9 and the Uzi eject correctly to the right throwing the brass off-screen. I thought it would be for 'drama' but then why do it on a random selection? Gah, game developers.... Thanks anyway. --[[User:Theocd|Theocd]] 07:22, 9 May 2012 (CDT)
+==Great Page==
+Just wanted to say, kudos to whoever put this page together. It's probably the best one I've come across on this site, informative and amusing.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 06:15, 10 May 2012 (CDT)
+Felt like seconding this. The Far Cry 2 article is a true work of art. [[User:Mutant1988|Mutant1988]] ([[User talk:Mutant1988|talk]]) 22:43, 5 December 2015 (EST)
+== Flare Gun ==
+Contrary to what somebody wrote about the flare gun not being useful for anything except starting fires, if you fire it into the air, it will attract enemy soldiers to the location of the flare.
+As a result, entire checkpoints will be left unattended for a temporary amount of time.
+== Random Question ==
+How which country is the game based on? The names of the places means something in some language?--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 11:55, 30 January 2017 (EST)
+:It's set somewhere in central Africa. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2017 (EST)
+I get that. But I thinked to properly ID it from language. Leboa-Sako, Bowa-Seko, or Mosate Selao should mean something.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:10, 31 January 2017 (EST)
+Googletranslations say is Lesotho.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:28, 31 January 2017 (EST)
+:Well the country they visited to do research was Kenya. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:25, 31 January 2017 (EST)
+Maybe cause Lesotho is more dangerous or maybe flights to Kenya had lower price, or the pick up a casual african country. Or LAZYNESS.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:05, 31 January 2017 (EST)
+== Homeland 37 ==
+[[File:FC2 Homeland 37.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+I know this is rather nitpicky, but outside of the the name, what makes the Homeland 37 an Ithaca? Aside from the left-sided ejection port, it has a completely different magazine tube endcap design and forend, and the trigger guard and safety placement is pretty close to the Remington 870's.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:45, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
+: The side ejection port actually makes it most certainly not an Ithaca, as those have no side ports; they eject from the bottom. That, in addition to the parts you mentioned. This is definitely modeled after a different shotgun, what exactly eludes me at present - Some features match an 870 but some don't; The ejection port is different shaped, and the mag tube endcap and the trigger guard aren't ''exactly'' right for an 870. All-told, it has some details that match a couple different makes-models. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:21, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
+::I've been going off the [[12 Gauge Pump Shotgun]] guide and the triggerguard looks pretty close to the S&W 3000 or 870 given the general shape and safety placement. The ejection port does match the shape of a Mossberg, though. And yeah, I'd say the magazine tube is probably just a fictional design.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:56, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
+== FAL barrel length ==
+[[File:FC2-FAL-Kb.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
+Looking at this shot, the barrel looks to be around 17 or 18 inches, which would line up with the barrel length of the 50.63 model. That might be where the devs got the idea to call it a "Paratrooper", apparently not realizing that name would also imply a folding stock. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 22:20, 19 November 2018 (EST)
+:Naw, even the 50.63 has more barrel before the flash hider than that, it looks more like they based it on one of the IMBEL or DSA carbine FALs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:44, 20 November 2018 (EST)
+== M1903 Reload ==
+The description of the M1903's reload doesn't really convey the full horror - not only is it loaded from beneath, the clip is inserted with the rounds, and furthermore before this a fully loaded clip is taken ''out''. --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 12:51, 4 January 2019 (EST)
+== Page Layout ==
+Is there a particular reason why the firearms are listed by Primary/Secondary weapons rather than Handguns/Submachine Guns/Shotguns/Assault Rifles/etc. like any other media page. [[User:1morey]] February 2, 2019 11:02 AM (EST)
+: Other than whoever made it that way just because and nobody bothered to question or change it, no. If the 'primary'/'secondary'/etc are actual noted categories in the game they can be noted in the writeup for each weapon, the page should not be categorized as such. That said the whole page needs a do-over - Not only are these 'sections' resulting in weapon types being all over the place and making reference impossible to anyone who doesn't actually know the game, but the oversize thumbnail pages are exceedingly tacky looking and while some are okay I think this page is perhaps overdoing it with some of the 'fun statements'. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:25, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+:: Bah, just saw that this page was locked out by Evil Tim and for some inconceivable reason has stayed that way for ''seven years'' now - which seems rather ridiculous and arbitrary, frankly. Anyway that would probably be the biggest reason why it hasn't been able to be fixed up. That said, if Tim won't square this page away himself he should unlock it so somebody else can. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:29, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+::: I strongly urge against a lot of revisions here as this is one of IMFDB’s most well known pages. Having said that, adjusting the thumbnail images isn’t a bad idea.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:50, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+:: "oversize thumbnail pages"? I though 600px was the standard. --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 15:22, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+:::It's actually the thumbnails of the real weapons that are oversized. The in-game screencaps are fine. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:33, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+:::: To clarify, yes U94N said it - the weapon thumbnails (most of them anyway) are too large. I appreciate that they may all be the same size for uniformity but it's long been agreed thumbs for the smaller guns (handguns but also a few others) don't need to be so large in comparison to the long guns and the screenshot thumbs themselves. That said, the other edits are again to bring this page in line with the rest on the site; how it is laid out now is frankly a mess and wholly counter-intuitive for reference. As for it being a 'well known' page, that's no excuse - if anything it's ''more'' reason to bring it to the same standard as the others, not less. In fact I'm sad it has been like this for so long since it is so damn different from all the others. Ultimately this is all pretty much moot until an admin either makes said changes or opens the page back up. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:11, 1 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::I have said previously that if the game has some system of sorting weapons that makes at least some loose kind of sense, doesn't involve incorrect weapon classifications (CoD GPMGs classified as LMGs) and doesn't have that many weapons in total, we can use that: I did the same for [[Dark Sector]]. The idea being it's easier for someone who's actually played the game to look up weapons like this. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2019 (EST)
+:::::: That kind of flies in the face of the main point of the site - We're here to serve as a reference for the firearms, not for the game itself. Organization should be to serve that point and it should be fairly uniform - I can grant some tweaking of it and all but to do it this way using game-specific reference and thus make it convenient only to those familiar with the game (which isn't necessarily the only people who view such pages) just seems counter-intuitive and arbitrary compared the rest of the site, especially given there's a load of games that have arguably less hokey internal weapon categorization as this and we don't do it that way for them. It 'making at least some loose kind of sense' is very subjective - I have played the game and this is still a mess of a layout to me. Again I grant there's always exceptions but this seems to just going a bit too far. And to be blunt if it's only you that has decided for it to be that way well that only makes it more arbitrary, not less. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:29, 4 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::: Just let the page be. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 14:33, 4 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::What's the point in reinventing the wheel for a page for a 10+ year old game? It works, it's a good reference for anyone who played it and wants to know "what X gun is" and it's the pinnacle of our terrible gun sarcasm. We don't need to fix every single page on this site when we're sitting on a bounty of old Soviet movies and animes with little to no layout at all. Put the effort where it's needed rather than where it isn't. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 17:44, 4 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::: Asking for a page to follow an otherwise unilateral standard of style and layout is hardly 'reinventing the wheel'. That said, I daresay if not for it having been locked all this time I'm certain it would have been edited to be like the other pages a long damn time ago. I mean, even the other pages in the franchise follow the typical layout of categories by weapon type. Bottom-line I'm just not seeing why this page really has to be different, why it deserves some kind of special treatment compared to the rest - to the point of making sure almost no one can change it. Eh, I'd appreciate some other admin input on this. And if I still get overruled, well, so be it then. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:23, 4 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::::Please don't go admin-shopping. The reason the other ''Far Cry'' games aren't ordered like this is that the slot system isn't as strict: there's no limits at all in 3, and in 4 and 5 the only criteria is that one slot must contain a weapon classified as a sidearm, but the other slots can also contain sidearms so there's not a lot of point dividing it up like that (not to mention how absurdly large the "not sidearms" category would have to be). Given I wrote all of these pages and laid them out, don't you think I'd know why I did that?
+::::::::::Standards are a useful template for how to lay out a page if you can't think of a way to lay out a page, not an absolute: if someone has a decent reason to make a non-standard page layout, that's fine and good, and it shouldn't be standardised if it ''works''. And since this is one of our most popular and widely-praised pages, it clearly does work. There's plenty of other examples of non-standard content: we don't normally have a section on tanks, but ''[[Fury (2014)|Fury]]'' does. We don't normally allow knives, but the ''Rambo'' knives are allowed and the justification is "because it's ''Rambo''." We don't normally have sections for fake guns on an obvious stop-motion model, but ''[[RoboCop (1987)|Robocop]]'' does. We don't normally have sections for battleship cannons, but ''[[Pearl Harbor]]'' does. Some articles have trivia at the bottom, some on the talk page. Non-standard does not automatically mean it needs to be standard, we're not that kind of site.
+::::::::::Also, Bunni likes this page. That's essentially why I'm an admin. I'm fairly sure "the owner of the site likes it" counts for a fair bit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:40, 5 February 2019 (EST)
+::::::::::: Eh, that it does. Very well then, that'll be it. ..Certainly can't say I didn't try though, huh? ;P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:09, 5 February 2019 (EST)
+== "AR-16" ==
+The so called "AR-16" is a custom AR. The receiver is obviously a standard receiver, but I'll leave its precise identification to someone more knowledgeable on ARs. The handguard is from/inspired by the Taiwanese T86 rifle. But the info can't be added since this article is also locked. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:59, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
+:The only thing that looks like an AR-16 on that rifle is maybe the ejection port, the gas system and the hand guard slightly, and maybe the flash hider, but the handguard is definitely inspired by the Taiwanese T86 like you said. The rest of the rifle looks to have a normal lower receiver except for a lack of a bolt release, lack of a magazine release assembly (although the pin is there), and the weird fire selections. It does however have all the pins in mostly the right places (even the auto sear pin).
+:The upper is obviously mirrored (like almost every gun in this game), the ejection port lacks a dust cover, the charging handle is super tiny, it has two "boxes" for the cam pin to rotate (which is absurd), it has a delta ring (which the AR-16 does not), and has an M16 buttstock. The rear of the upper also looks odd.
+:I think the page's description "an essentially fictional AR-15 based rifle labeled as an AR-16" is an understatement.
+:Also the entire page needs to be reorganized into the normal pistols, SMGs, shotguns, assault rifles, sniper rifles, machine guns, launchers, grenades, mounted weapons, etc. type of layout, but like you said its locked and I doubt any of the admins will unlock it. --[[User:TheFlyingDutchman|TheFlyingDutchman]] ([[User talk:TheFlyingDutchman|talk]]) 06:13, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
+:: You should try making an appeal to the admins directly on their talk pages. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 06:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
+::: I already made a very impassioned appeal about changing the layout some time back and got shot down (actually it's the ridiculous pile of text right above this section). Simply put the man who owns and pays for the site likes it this way and that's pretty much it - Every place has it's bit of arbitrariness and this page is one of those bits I guess. As for that gun ID, that's another story. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:23, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
+:::: I mean, the appeals should be made directly on the admin's user talk pages (not on this page), so we can communicate the point more directly. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:03, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
+:::::: The media page's talk page is the proper place to discuss edits on/for said page - I wouldn't start going on any admin's talk page directly unless there's been a long time lack of response. Bear in mind we're all volunteers here and things sometimes take a minute to be attended to. That said, I got plenty of response before myself - I'm sure this next round will be addressed in due course.  [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
+:::::I believe the layout is alright as is, but I also agree that the AR-16 and Homeland 37 that I've also talked about a few years ago could have some up-to-date/newer standards ID.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 09:40, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
+==The Alleged Springfield==
+I can't believe that nobody's pointed this out yet, but is that even a Springfield? The receiver's completely wrong - if anything, the bolt and safety look like a (left-handed, of course) Remington 700. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:35, 16 January 2022 (EST)
+:It's an older game, so along with the alleged Ithaca I can see why this has never been brought up. I can see it too, although the thing still has the full stock and barrel band of a 1903 so it's a bit more of a hybrid. I think just back when this page was first written, the in-game names were really the only thing used for ID-ing the guns.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:44, 16 January 2022 (EST)
+::Yeah, stuff has really changed a lot since then. And the fact that this page was edit-locked for a while probably means that it didn't get swept along with the changes like most of the higher-profile pages out there. Anyway, I'll change it now. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:54, 16 January 2022 (EST) EDIT: Or not, since apparently I forgot that it's still edit-locked.
+== Article unlock? ==
+Can this article be unlocked so we can edit it? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:34, 30 January 2022 (EST)
+:You should make your request on the admins' talk pages for a better chance to have your request heard. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 04:15, 31 January 2022 (EST)

Talk:Far Cry 2: Difference between revisions

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SPAS-12 and USAS-12

I love this game

Couple of mystery M16s here.

To the guy who posted the "Get some!" pic

AS50 jam and failure?

Suppressed Shotgun

IEDs

Mk.19

Norinco Type 63

Captions

It's amazing the things you find out by accident...

Ejection Ports in games now

Cool fact

Dart rifle - Actually a Pneu-Dart Model 389?

Makarov

Golden AKs

Guns Mirrored?

Great Page

Flare Gun

Random Question

Homeland 37

FAL barrel length

M1903 Reload

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"AR-16"

The Alleged Springfield

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