Talk:Rogue One: A Star Wars Story: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Rogue One: A Star Wars Story: Difference between revisions
:If you're willing to do the work, I don't see why not. Best of luck to you. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:13, 21 November 2019 (EST)
:If you're willing to do the work, I don't see why not. Best of luck to you. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:13, 21 November 2019 (EST)
::I would vote against this because they're pretty much the same weapons for each film, like Han's pistol and Stormtrooper blasters. There are other pages that should get more attention. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:46, 21 November 2019 (EST)
::I would vote against this because they're pretty much the same weapons for each film, like Han's pistol and Stormtrooper blasters. There are other pages that should get more attention. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:46, 21 November 2019 (EST)
::: I don't see your argument here. Just because a movie has fictional guns doesn't mean we have to merge all the films in the series into one page; the Alien franchise has plenty of fictional guns and they don't have their entire series merged into singular pages. I also don't understand what "There are other pages that should get more attention" means; does this page not deserve attention? This page is flawed and its format is inconsistent from the rest of the website. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:48, 21 November 2019 (EST)
::: I don't see your argument here. Just because a movie has fictional guns that are "pretty much the same weapons for each film" doesn't mean we have to merge all the films in the series into one page; the Alien franchise has plenty of fictional guns and they don't have their entire series merged into singular pages. I also don't understand what "There are other pages that should get more attention" means; does this page not deserve attention? This page is flawed and its format is inconsistent from the rest of the website. That needs to be fixed. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 21:48, 21 November 2019 (EST)
I've done the splitting. However, I can't move the page to the official title [[Rogue One: A Star Wars Story]]. Can an admin please move this page?--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 22:00, 21 November 2019 (EST)
It's good to see that someone finally split the trilogies up, but I'm not sure about calling this trilogy "Stories"; right now, it seems they're calling it the Anthology Series.--Quarax (talk) 03:14, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
They originally called it Anthology, but the subtitle now just seems to be "A Star Wars Story". --Ben41 (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
That's only Rogue One, though. The series itself hasn't been renamed.--Quarax (talk) 16:06, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
As far as I have heard it isn't, that is the subtitle they are giving all of them. I specifically remember the point at which they changed from "Anthology", because a lot of people hated this new one. There was a point at Celebration where I believe Kathleen Kennedy referred to Rogue One as "our first Star Wars story" which further suggests that this is what they are calling them. They also have not used the term "Anthology" since then. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop or change this as people really don't seem to like it, but currently that is the most accurate description. --commando552 (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
Alright, fair enough.--Quarax (talk) 23:43, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
Also the upcoming Han Solo movie has been referred too as "Untitled Han Solo Star Wars Story" --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 17:15, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
Prop images
I took a few photos of some of the prop weapons which are vaguely helpful (unfortunately i only had my phone with me and the lighting and glass cases are less than ideal).
Firstly, the death troopers have this pistol strapped to their hip:
This looks like the BlasTech SE-14C Blaster Pistol (Rexim-Favor Mk5) fro mthe original trilogy with possibly a different scope.
The death trooper rifle appears to be the standard stormtrooper rifle with a barrel shroud with a flashlight on the side with a slightly modified Troy PDW stock:
I had assumed that all of the weapons in this were just solid resin props based on real guns, but that fact that the magazine is missing here suggests that it may actually be a real gun or an Airsoft. Or maybe it is just a fabricated prop where they went to the trouble of adding a removable "power pack".
Chirrut has this weird unfolding blaster bow thing:
From a better picture ive seen it looks like the grip and trigger guard off a Sterling was used, i'm not sure if any more of the Sterling is used though.--The Mercenary (talk) 13:52, 13 December 2016 (EST)
There were also several standard stormtrooper costumes on display, and they actually had two slightly different rifle props. The first was the classic rifle, but there was also this one:
It is very similar but there are a couple of differences. It has a flashlight on the barrel shroud, the scope is slightly different and I think that magazine is longer.
I thought I spotted gun parts on that bow. At first I thought it might be MG15 parts, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
The flashlight is a knock off (made by Element) SureFire M300 Mini Scout Light WeaponLight.--Quarax (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
You're right about the stock, forgot about the hk equivalent. As for the bow, the main thing that makes me think it is Sterling based is the pivot behind the pistol grip where the folding stock would normally go. This may just be coincidence though, as having what appears to be an ejection port on the left side is wrong. --commando552 (talk) 04:57, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
I think you're right about it being a Sterling, but maybe they only used the grip?--Quarax (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2016 (EDT)
On a side note, Krennic's blaster is also seen pretty clearly in the first trailer. It's from a distance but pretty well lit and offers a decent view if anyone wants to cap it. It's at about a minute in.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 03:59, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
I'd heard (and, having just watched the movie at the nearest Regal, seen) that Andor has what looks like a Wechselapparat tank on his back. Thoughts? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 16:22, 26 December 2016 (EST)
Pao's Tabanna-Jacked Blaster Rifle
The Rebel commando Pao carries a rifle built around an unknown base firearm, probably an AR15/M16.
I don't think it is based on an AR, here is a more side on image of it:Error creating thumbnail: File missingThere doesn't appear to be any part that is based on an AR. From images I have seen Pao is smaller than humans, so this is probably a smaller scale weapon to suit him.
After seeing a far better view of this is definitely either a heavily modified MP40 lower and grip/trigger guard or a full receiver from a Rexim Favor submachine gun with the magazine housing removed and plenty of added details on the barrel and it's extension. The shoulder stock could be off any number of rifles. --The Mercenary (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2016 (EST)
He is carrying what appears to be a MG34 based rifle, and on his pack is a Sterling based weapon. --commando552 (talk) 19:25, 28 November 2016 (EST)
That's definitely an M60, not an MG34.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2016 (EST)
Your right, at a glance I incorrectly assumed it was just one of the shore trooper blasters without the scope, but it is something totally different to either that or the machine gun used by Bistan as it has rotary barrels. --commando552 (talk) 20:48, 28 November 2016 (EST)
An M60 combined with an M134, it seems. There's better pictures out there of the accessory that comes with the 3.75″ figure.--Quarax (talk) 23:35, 5 December 2016 (EST)
Rogue One weapons video
The Star Wars Show did a segment about some of the Rogues one weapons that showed a few interesting things. Firstly, it seems that most of the weapons are airsoft that actually fire to give the performers something to react to. It also seems that there are bright lights built into the muzzle synchronised with firing, I assume so that they can more easily sync up the special effects. Krennic's blaster is actually a break action that is fed from a three shot cylinder. Some of the rifles carried by the rebels in this are takedown rifles that consist of a base pistol, a stock, and an extended barrel (which also contains a telescopic sight and an extra magazine). --commando552 (talk) 17:48, 14 December 2016 (EST)
Your thoughts?
I watched this movie yesterday and I was actually quite pleased. I am a big Star Wars fan, but Episode VII felt like a complete rehash of the original. This, however, was alot more original and in my opinion, a better movie.--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 08:48, 21 December 2016 (EST)H3nry8adger1982
I loved it, it managed to feel like a Star Wars movie while bringing some legit originality to the series (Dat hallways scene at the end tho!!) --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 10:02, 21 December 2016 (EST)
I really liked it. As a massive Star Wars nerd it had the sort of fan service that I like (blue milk, Red/Gold leaders, Juggernaut, Ghost, Whills, Vader's castle, stuff like that), only possible exception was Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba which was a bit on the nose, and also kind of made no sense. I am curious to know how the film was supposed to go before the reshoots though. At least it isn't a Fant4stic situation where it is painfully obvious which bits are the reshoots, but from the trailers it is clear that the ending originally happened very differently. --commando552 (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2016 (EST)
Felicity Jones is said to have signed a multi-picture deal, it's unknown what the current status of the deal is.--The Mercenary (talk) 16:31, 21 December 2016 (EST)
If anybody hasn't seen this and doesn't want to get spoiled stop reading now: I doubt that is still relevent, as that was signed before production started and at that point there were still a bit up in the air as to who was surviving the film. In the original script all of the main characters survived but this obviously changed over the pre production process. It would be a total cop-out if she survived the film as it was pretty definitive what happened, and if they wanted her to appear in a film set before Rogue One then they would have to work VERY quickly to et the ages to vaguely line up. Even the Han Solo film wouldn't really work as I think even that is about 10 years before this film. Of course it could tie in to an Episode VIII flashback but I don't think so. --commando552 (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2016 (EST)
SPOILER HEREIN. Judging by the scenes in the trailer that didn't make it into the final film the original ending probably had Jyn and Andor escaping with the plans (As you see her and Andor running through the beach battle with the plans) instead of uploading them, so they kept the option open for her to return in another Anthology/Story movie, but with the reshoots they probably won't have her in another movie (unless they decide to do a movie based on her character for some reason.) --RedRobinAlpha (talk) 17:49, 21 December 2016 (EST)
I believe that before they started filming they intended for her to die, so I don't think they ever escaped with the plans (also, in A New Hope it is stated that the plans were beamed to the Tantive IV so I doubt they would have changed it and made it so a physical copy was taken away). I believe that in the original cut this ending was more complex and longer, with them getting the data tape from one building but needing to get to another building to transmit the plans to orbit (rather than in the theatrical cut where they just go up to the roof where there is a dish). There are signs that this was the case from the trailers, such as the shot where they are running along the beach towards the AT-ACTs where you can see a large communications tower behind the walkers which it appears they are trying to get to. Also, in the theatrical cut Jyn and Casian are on the beach when the Death Star fires which would make sense if they had just gone to a standalone tower on the beach, but less so in the film where a couple of minutes ago they were on the roof of the Imperial citadel with hundreds of stormtroopers between them and the ground floor. It is a bit weird though, as in some of the trailers they use shots from the two different endings which are mutaully exclusive, as there is one that has them on the beach with the plans running for the comm-tower, but also has the shot with the TIE fighter on the roof of the Citadel by its comm-tower. This shot of the TIE fighter was cut late in the final edit with the current ending, all that happened was that it rose up in front of Jyn but was shot down by an X-Wing but it was cut as they felt it was too similar to the shot with the AT-ACT getting taken out by an X-Wing as it was aiming at Baze. --commando552 (talk) 19:24, 21 December 2016 (EST)
You know, while I really liked the movie, I really wish that some of the main characters had survived, I mean, it seemed as if the movie just went full Halo:Reach with their deaths (I.E. Each one goes out in their own blaze of glory) especially Bodhi's, which was kind of an "and-f-this-guy-too" suckerpunch (to the character) much like Kat's death from Halo, where she takes a sniper round through the head out of nowhere, mid sentence. At the very least, I'd wish that Jyn and Andor had survived (or even just Jyn, but that's my obsession with weapon-wielding brunettes talking.)
Also, anyone else confused by when the X-wings fired on the shield, and the pilots noted that shooting the shield didn't seem to have any effect, like they didn't notice that MAYBE SHOOTING AT SOMETHING DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO ABSORB BEING SHOT AT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT?
Lastly, I really loved the Rebel ground troops' weapon handling. I think my eyes lit up when one of the rebels entered the Turbo Tank prisoner transport with a thumb over bore grip, and I probably had a massive grin on my face when the rebels on the ground near the end all moved in a low crouch with good spacing when getting cover before the battle started, and some had their weapons leveled and held thumb over bore. Jyn had good trigger discipline, as well.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 23:23, 22 December 2016 (EST).
Overall, it was a pretty good movie with some flaws to it. I loved the action and how the rebel's M4 style rifle is very modular and I suspect that Andor's pistol might actually be the base gun for the entire system. It's cool to see the Rebel soldiers dress up like space Marines from Aliens almost with actual combat helmet and gear. The scenes where the U-Wing was proving over watch and support while taking down AT-ATs were amazing. But I also feel lied too from the trailers. All the trailers seemed to be promoting a completely different story at the end. The running on the beach, Saw's line about "What will you become?" A lot of things were changed into this different ending. It isn't bad and the balls on Disney for allowing it but I felt like there's a completely different story than what was presented in the end. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:13, 23 December 2016 (EST)
This reminds me, we really should make a page for DICE's Battlefront given that they recreated the props near perfectly (and I presume they made this model from Battlefield 1's Luger P.08).--AgentGumby (talk) 18:33, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I feel like it's more likely that they used the actual modified airsoft luger that was the prop from the film, as I notice that the rear sight is ground off, and that tab at the back is missing. I believe that it was probably easier to make a new model than have to try and perfect all the modifications to the BF1 model. As well, I've noticed that there is no clipping effect between the luger parts and the Star Wars parts in the game, which makes me think that they did just use the props themselves. As well, the trigger looks a bit thicker on the Battlefront model. lastly, the checkering on the grips is way more obvious in the Battlefront model, and very faint in BF1.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 12:40, 29 December 2016 (EST)
Cassian Andor's Compact Blaster Pistol
Now that Rogue one is available for digital, I managed to take some screencaps from the film. As I watched the film, near the end Cassian Andor uses a different pistol compared to the modular A280 he used before:
Any thoughts? --50AEDeagle (talk) 1 April 2017 1:47 PM EST
I'm inclined to agree with you. The overall shape seems very similar and inthink I can even see the separation between the frame and the slide, and it looks about the same as a five-seven.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 13:30, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
Cassian’s Five-Seven
Maybe off topic here but I was wondering if there is any lore behind this little pistol yet or is it still an unidenfied blaster. I find it hard to believe that no one in the Star Wars fan community has tried to identify it yet or even make a Wookiepedia page about it.-Gunner5
Solo VSS
Towards the end of Solo, there’s a blaster that at least had the stock of a VSS in the armory of Vos’s yacht. I assume it’s probably from an airsoft model, but it was interesting thing to keep an eye out for. --AgentGumby (talk) 22:51, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
I also spotted the Crimson Dawn troops at the end with at least one Val/Vintorez-based blaster (not to mention that Val's grappling gun is most definitely a Vintorez with a sawn-off stock and a whole bunch of greeblies, though it would've been funnier if it was an AS), and there's a great shot at the very end of a rebel with a rocket launcher that has the lower from a Vector. Beckett has a blaster that looks like if you asked the people behind the StG 44 to design a revolver, and both he and Qi'ra use another that looks like a double-barreled Mannlicher M1905. Rio had an SE-14C, and there were also those blaster cannons on the mining colony, and one of the Imperial soldiers seen in Han's time in the Empire's army had something that looks like a chainsaw-gripped Gatling gun. Anything else? Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 09:52, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
Solo thoughts.
So what did everybody think of Solo?--H3nry8adger1982 (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2018 (EDT)H3nry8adger1982
For a more sensible answer, the problem with it is that it treats Han Solo like he's an action figure: it explains how he got his accessories and the other figures in his playset, but not so much how he came to be who he is. Plus a lot of the explanations are just...there. Like let's explain Chewie's nickname! Um, it's a nickname. Where did he get his iconic blaster? Um, someone essentially threw it at him. How did the Falcon get to be so fast? Um, apparently all stock YT freighters are just that fast...? Evil Tim (talk) 12:09, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
PPSh in Solo?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this alien Cloud-Rider appears to be carrying a PPSh-41. --Clonehunter (talk) 00:01, 17 July 2018 (EDT)
Looks plastic, probably a resin cast of a PPSh-41 not a real one. But yeah, you're right otherwise. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2018 (EDT)
Yah, I see what you mean. Kinda neat to see they threw on the Singlepoint sight from the DH-17 though. --Clonehunter (talk) 20:06, 2 November 2018 (EDT)
moved
It should be noted that Rogue One was pulled in for a major reshoot based on a different script, which replaced about 40% of material in the film. As a result, many shots that appeared in marketing for the film do not appear in the final cut. Solo was also pulled in for a major reshoot with a different director, but does not seem to have nearly as much cut material used in its advertising.
It was reported that following the poor box office performance of Solo, all plans for further films in the Stories franchise have been put on indefinite hold, though Lucasfilm has claimed this is not the case.
Lando Calrissian's SE-14r Light Repeating Blaster
From the many times I've watch Solo, I've found out that Lando Calrissian is using a SE-14r Light Repeating Blaster during the Kessel Mine shootout sequence, but his is chromium plated with mother-of-pearl grips, and has a barrel extension on it. However, I have to wonder, do you think the barrel extension is really the main barrel of the Rexium Favor? --Thomoy15 (talk) 02:28, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
I don't think that's a barrel extension, just a heat shield. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 03:46, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
Just wondering, is this page gonna be updated with the other blasters and base firearms of the other weapons seen on Solo at any point, since Solo has now been out for a few months now? --Thomoy15 (talk) 04:52, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
Take the initiative and do it yourself rather than ask others to do it for you.--AgentGumby (talk) 11:04, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
Tobias Beckett's Blaster pistols
As many have noticed, Tobias Beckett's Blaster pistols, the RSKF-44 Heavy Blaster Pistol and DG-29 Heavy Blaster pistol resemble revolvers. From my own perspective, the RSKF044 resembles a Mateba Autorevolver save it has 2 barrels. But the DG-29, I'm not sure. What do you guys think it resembles? And what do you guys think the prop makers used as base guns for both of these blaster pistols?--Thomoy15 (talk) 04:02, 30 April 2019 (EDT)
My guess is that these are entirely scratch built and not based off of any real gun or castings thereof. You can see that they are bolted together in a way that real guns aren't, and they appear to be made of simple flat machined pieces of aluminium. --commando552 (talk) 05:59, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
Darn it, I was really hoping they were based off a gun, oh well, can't win them all I guess.--Thomoy15 (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
Chewbaccia's blaster from Solo
In Solo, Chewbaccia uses a different kind of Blaster rifle as his main weapon in most of the film. Which is an SX-21 Scatterblaster rifle. And from my inspections of the blaster in question, it has a body similar to an M60's but this blaster has 2 barrels and the foregrip is a pump handle.--Thomoy15 (talk) 03:29, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
You are right, it is based off of an M60. You can also see that they kept the rear of the handguard at the front of the receiver and moved the rest of the handguard forward to be the "pump". --commando552 (talk) 06:01, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
If I were to make a section for it under the page, where would it be placed under, Blaster Rifles or its own category?--Thomoy15 (talk) 15:55, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
New Variant of the E-11 Blaster rifle
In Solo: A Star Wars Story, the Mudtroopers and Range Troopers use a new variant of the E-11 Blaster Rifle, The E-10 blaster rifle, which are both based off the Sterling SMG with what looks like an attached stock. There are 2 variants in the film, the standard is used by Mudtroopers on Mimban along with Han Solo. And the second, the E-10r, is used by Range Troopers who guard the train on Vandor.
The Mandalorian TV Series
I was just wondering, Disney+ started airing the Mandalorian Series, right? Well, shouldn't there be a section for it on here, or should it be featured on a separate page?
--Thomoy15 (talk) 16:44, 18 November 2019 (EST)
Let it be on its own page for now. Quite frankly, I don't know why IMFDB merges all the Star Wars films into these "sub-series" pages. As Disney expands the Star Wars live action shows, these weird page groupings would seem more and more arbitrary. They should be split into their individual film pages. --Wuzh (talk) 18:13, 18 November 2019 (EST)
It originally started as one big page for all the Star Wars films, which then just consisted of the original and prequel trilogies. As all those films together didn't have many list-able firearms it made for a much simpler arrangement, and was in-line with how the site operated in the past (just like how we had one page for all seasons of a tv show and the like). When the ST first started, we just split it up into each respective trilogy of films, which again, I suppose was just simpler and easier. Though given how we've expanded/diversified listing media pages in recent years and now that SW has the spin-off films and this show, I have to agree it all seems a bit more wonky now. Ultimately I suppose a 'main' page that lists all the films and shows and so forth in the franchise ala Law & Order/X-Files/Batman/etc - with each piece having their own individual page(s) - will be how this gets done up at some point. StanTheMan (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2019 (EST)
We should try to split up the pages, starting with Solo and Rogue One. Should we try splitting out the Solo stuff from this page first? --Wuzh (talk) 22:07, 18 November 2019 (EST)
So yes or no on the split? I can get the split done pretty quickly. --Wuzh (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2019 (EST)
If you're willing to do the work, I don't see why not. Best of luck to you. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2019 (EST)
I would vote against this because they're pretty much the same weapons for each film, like Han's pistol and Stormtrooper blasters. There are other pages that should get more attention. --Ben41 (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2019 (EST)
I don't see your argument here. Just because a movie has fictional guns that are "pretty much the same weapons for each film" doesn't mean we have to merge all the films in the series into one page; the Alien franchise has plenty of fictional guns and they don't have their entire series merged into singular pages. I also don't understand what "There are other pages that should get more attention" means; does this page not deserve attention? This page is flawed and its format is inconsistent from the rest of the website. That needs to be fixed. --Wuzh (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2019 (EST)
I've done the splitting. However, I can't move the page to the official title Rogue One: A Star Wars Story. Can an admin please move this page?--Wuzh (talk) 22:00, 21 November 2019 (EST)
