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=Trivia= | |||
==Toy Army== | |||
Numerous "gun wielding" toy soldiers can be seen in Bailey's (Beckam Crawford) room. | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark toy 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bailey plants the "rifle" wielding toy soldier in the snow.]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark toy 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Numerous toy soldiers can be seen on the table.]] | |||
==Armored Vehicles== | |||
A few armored vehicles and one combat helicopter can be seen in Iraq. | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark veachles 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The helicopter can be seen at the top of the image, and an armored vehicle and a Humvee can be seen in the background. The soldier at the far right holds an M4 Carbine.]] | |||
==News report== | |||
A few tanks and armored vehicles with mounted machine guns can be seen in a news report on the Battle of Fallujah. | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark TV 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several tanks can be seen on the TV screen.]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark TV 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning machine gun can be seen mounted on the tank.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Where do you get all these guns from? Out of the air? I do not see the M3 infrared sight (and this is not the M3), let alone everything else. And Mauser Selbstlader... huh. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 13:10, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | Where do you get all these guns from? Out of the air? I do not see the M3 infrared sight (and this is not the M3), let alone everything else. And Mauser Selbstlader... huh. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 13:10, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
:The M3 is just another Mini-14. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:29, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | :The M3 is just another Mini-14. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:29, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
::And that is not an M1919, it's an M2 .50 caliber machine gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:58, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | ::And that is not an M1919, it's an M2 .50 caliber machine gun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:58, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::The M2 carbine is also another Mini-14. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | :::The M2 carbine is also another Mini-14. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::The Hawk 372 is just another Remington 870, but with a slug barrel and a sling attachment on the barrel nut. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:02, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::The same about the "FN Trombone". And I do not see the distinctive features of the Springfield M1911. And G3 is clearly not an early version with wooden furniture, but HK91. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:18, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::Might not want to use the rape scene as a screenshot either for the M4.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:50, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::: The S&W auto has the double-stack bulge in a couple shots, which means it can't be a 639. That said, it also appears to have wraparound grips in other shots, that plus the blued hammer suggest this might actually be a later-model 5906. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:25, 8 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Many thanks! I had correct the wrong ID. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 15:23, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
== IDs == | |||
How did you make the IDs on the [[Springfield Armory Mil-Spec M1911A1]] and the [[Lee-Speed Sporter]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:28, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:The Springfield was credited in the movie (as “.45 Springfield”), The Lee-Enfiled can be ID by its typical mag. | |||
[[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 15:59, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:And is it true that cheap Russian shotguns of the 20s are so popular in the USA? --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:37, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::Visual evidence trumps dialogue. Is there any way you can visually confirm that it's a Sprinfield? And I don't see an external magazine on the Lee-Enfield. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:02, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::I had uploaded a few more screenshots: [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:29, 9 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark rifle 9 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|The Lee-Enfield mag is circled in red.]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark pistol 2 1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark pistol 2 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark pistol 2 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark pistol 2 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark pistol 2 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|]] | |||
Hey Pyramid Silent; some of the IDs are still suspect; it is best if you don't rush to add the links on the other gun pages right now. Some of the problems FCM and Slon95 pointed out and currently still exist are: | |||
*"FN Trombone" identification uncertain | |||
*M1911 variant identification uncertain | |||
*Unlikelihood of Frolov shotgun being in an American film production | |||
*Lee-Enfield identification uncertain | |||
Regarding the "Frolov", I asked some of the guys on Gun wiki; they said that the cocking knob on the gun resembles a Springfield M1903 much more than a Mosin. It might be a customized sporterized Springfield or some variation thereof. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:22, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:And Browning Auto-5 is obviously not it. The triggerguard resembles the Winchester 1200/1300, and the gun itself is obviously not young. I don't even know what it is, this is some kind of rare gun. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 13:49, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::The [https://wx2.sinaimg.cn/large/4aff7849ly1fu4lldfincj223v35se86.jpg much better quality] (although to heavy for uploading) image of this gun. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:07, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::I don't think this is a shotgun at all. It's got a scope, and you can see a small magazine. Maybe a Browning BAR Safari? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:42, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::: Your close, it’s a [[Remington Model 742]].--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:37, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:The Lee-Enfield mag, which proving the ID: [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 14:07, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark rifle 9 7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|The Lee-Enfield mag is circled in red.]] | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark rifle 9 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|The Lee-Enfield mag can be seen from the another angle.]] | |||
The long gun seen in Vernon Slone's memories may be a [https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/webley-scott-410-and-9mm-bolt-action-shotguns .410 Webley & Scott bolt action shotgun]. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:26, 17 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:Many thanks! Now, this page seems to be absolutely completed. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:04, 17 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::But it is not exactly. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:15, 17 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::Why? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:18, 17 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::The "FN Trombone" still appears to be uncertain. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 17:14, 17 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::The receiver looks too large and angular for Trombone (and O My Goodness who would go on deer hunt using .22 rifle?!) I have a gut feeling about something like Remington Model 8 or Wichnester Model 1907 but it's a very vague guess. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:41, 18 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::I had added this information (I guess, it's better to leave the both variants, note the unproved ID). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Nothing, since they are another museum exhibits, and they are fed from detachable boxes, and the gun has an extended tube magazine. Probably something like a [[Remington 1100]] with an rifle sights and extended tube, although the receiver is strangely bent. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 15:26, 18 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::::::Rem 1100 seems too streamlined for the screen gun. Maybe it would be better to keep this gun as unidentified that to make doubtful guesses. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:50, 18 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
== The muzzle attachment on the rifle == | |||
I want ask about the "Howa M1500," not exactly on the issue of IDs but on the muzzle attachment; what is this thing? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 13:28, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:I guess, it's a flash suppressor. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:33, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
:: Muzzle break. No point to a flash suppressor on a hunting rifle.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:56, 10 April 2019 (EDT) | |||
::: I think [[Sako 85]] or [[Tikka T3]]. -- [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 22:32, 11 April 2019 (JST) | |||
[[Image:Hold the Dark rifle 15 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Core aims Donald's rifle.]] | |||
Latest revision as of 05:10, 17 December 2019
Trivia
Toy Army
Numerous "gun wielding" toy soldiers can be seen in Bailey's (Beckam Crawford) room.
Armored Vehicles
A few armored vehicles and one combat helicopter can be seen in Iraq.
News report
A few tanks and armored vehicles with mounted machine guns can be seen in a news report on the Battle of Fallujah.
Discussion
Where do you get all these guns from? Out of the air? I do not see the M3 infrared sight (and this is not the M3), let alone everything else. And Mauser Selbstlader... huh. --Slon95 (talk) 13:10, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The M3 is just another Mini-14. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:29, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- And that is not an M1919, it's an M2 .50 caliber machine gun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:58, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The M2 carbine is also another Mini-14. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:00, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The Hawk 372 is just another Remington 870, but with a slug barrel and a sling attachment on the barrel nut. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The same about the "FN Trombone". And I do not see the distinctive features of the Springfield M1911. And G3 is clearly not an early version with wooden furniture, but HK91. --Slon95 (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- Might not want to use the rape scene as a screenshot either for the M4.--AgentGumby (talk) 14:50, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The S&W auto has the double-stack bulge in a couple shots, which means it can't be a 639. That said, it also appears to have wraparound grips in other shots, that plus the blued hammer suggest this might actually be a later-model 5906. StanTheMan (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- Many thanks! I had correct the wrong ID. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:23, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- The S&W auto has the double-stack bulge in a couple shots, which means it can't be a 639. That said, it also appears to have wraparound grips in other shots, that plus the blued hammer suggest this might actually be a later-model 5906. StanTheMan (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- Might not want to use the rape scene as a screenshot either for the M4.--AgentGumby (talk) 14:50, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The same about the "FN Trombone". And I do not see the distinctive features of the Springfield M1911. And G3 is clearly not an early version with wooden furniture, but HK91. --Slon95 (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The Hawk 372 is just another Remington 870, but with a slug barrel and a sling attachment on the barrel nut. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- The M2 carbine is also another Mini-14. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:00, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
- And that is not an M1919, it's an M2 .50 caliber machine gun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:58, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
IDs
How did you make the IDs on the Springfield Armory Mil-Spec M1911A1 and the Lee-Speed Sporter? --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:28, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- The Springfield was credited in the movie (as “.45 Springfield”), The Lee-Enfiled can be ID by its typical mag.
Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- And is it true that cheap Russian shotguns of the 20s are so popular in the USA? --Slon95 (talk) 16:37, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- Visual evidence trumps dialogue. Is there any way you can visually confirm that it's a Sprinfield? And I don't see an external magazine on the Lee-Enfield. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:02, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- I had uploaded a few more screenshots: Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:29, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
- Visual evidence trumps dialogue. Is there any way you can visually confirm that it's a Sprinfield? And I don't see an external magazine on the Lee-Enfield. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:02, 9 April 2019 (EDT)
Hey Pyramid Silent; some of the IDs are still suspect; it is best if you don't rush to add the links on the other gun pages right now. Some of the problems FCM and Slon95 pointed out and currently still exist are:
- "FN Trombone" identification uncertain
- M1911 variant identification uncertain
- Unlikelihood of Frolov shotgun being in an American film production
- Lee-Enfield identification uncertain
Regarding the "Frolov", I asked some of the guys on Gun wiki; they said that the cocking knob on the gun resembles a Springfield M1903 much more than a Mosin. It might be a customized sporterized Springfield or some variation thereof. --Wuzh (talk) 13:22, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- And Browning Auto-5 is obviously not it. The triggerguard resembles the Winchester 1200/1300, and the gun itself is obviously not young. I don't even know what it is, this is some kind of rare gun. --Slon95 (talk) 13:49, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- The much better quality (although to heavy for uploading) image of this gun. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- I don't think this is a shotgun at all. It's got a scope, and you can see a small magazine. Maybe a Browning BAR Safari? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:42, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- Your close, it’s a Remington Model 742.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- I don't think this is a shotgun at all. It's got a scope, and you can see a small magazine. Maybe a Browning BAR Safari? --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:42, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- The much better quality (although to heavy for uploading) image of this gun. Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- The Lee-Enfield mag, which proving the ID: Pyramid Silent (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
The long gun seen in Vernon Slone's memories may be a .410 Webley & Scott bolt action shotgun. --Greg-Z (talk) 15:26, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- Many thanks! Now, this page seems to be absolutely completed. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- But it is not exactly. --Slon95 (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- Why? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- The "FN Trombone" still appears to be uncertain. --Wuzh (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- The receiver looks too large and angular for Trombone (and O My Goodness who would go on deer hunt using .22 rifle?!) I have a gut feeling about something like Remington Model 8 or Wichnester Model 1907 but it's a very vague guess. Greg-Z (talk) 12:41, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
- I had added this information (I guess, it's better to leave the both variants, note the unproved ID). Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
- Nothing, since they are another museum exhibits, and they are fed from detachable boxes, and the gun has an extended tube magazine. Probably something like a Remington 1100 with an rifle sights and extended tube, although the receiver is strangely bent. --Slon95 (talk) 15:26, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
- I had added this information (I guess, it's better to leave the both variants, note the unproved ID). Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
- The receiver looks too large and angular for Trombone (and O My Goodness who would go on deer hunt using .22 rifle?!) I have a gut feeling about something like Remington Model 8 or Wichnester Model 1907 but it's a very vague guess. Greg-Z (talk) 12:41, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
- The "FN Trombone" still appears to be uncertain. --Wuzh (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- Why? Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
- But it is not exactly. --Slon95 (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2019 (EDT)
The muzzle attachment on the rifle
I want ask about the "Howa M1500," not exactly on the issue of IDs but on the muzzle attachment; what is this thing? --Wuzh (talk) 13:28, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
- I guess, it's a flash suppressor. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
