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::I remember the production crew at GONZO saying that the anime version started in the early 2000s... [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ::I remember the production crew at GONZO saying that the anime version started in the early 2000s... [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::That would account for Sousuke's XM8 since it was the hotness gun of that period and Mithril is known to have advanced weapons in their arsenal though oddly I would have thought a standard sidearm for Tessa's escort be a more updated 1911 if that was the case. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:05, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | :::That would account for Sousuke's XM8 since it was the hotness gun of that period and Mithril is known to have advanced weapons in their arsenal though oddly I would have thought a standard sidearm for Tessa's escort be a more updated 1911 if that was the case. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:05, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::: I'll throw it in that Mithril SRT/PRT forces were using Cornershots in TSR, though one can argue that they got the first gen models from the production line before it made the '03 released date. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:31, 6 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::::Not to mention the Cornershots they used were actually linked to their visors/goggles whatever you call them instead of video screens that are in the real ones, which is similar to the Land Warrior project. Which goes along with the concept that everything they use is years ahead of the most advanced countries in the world. The M9 ASs they use are barely in trials for the US though it seems like the Soviets of this universe is still trying to outpace the US with tech since they've already fielded their 3rd gen ASs developed by Amaglam. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:22, 7 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::That's the problem with military-centric fiction that tries to keep viewers interested with the "latest and greatest." It just ends up looking ho-hum if the latest and greatest doesn't end up panning out, just like very few today get excited by the prospect of a major military force adopting the [[Dreyse Needle Gun]] as standard-issue. Now that the real-world timeline has long-outpaced the [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty|"cutting-edge technology"]] then-current in the original series' release date, we can only look at this series as alternate history rather than an exciting glimpse of what the real world might be in "a few short years." And the Land Warrior project didn't become anywhere near standard-issue. Still, I wonder if the Cornershot will get [https://youtu.be/hCGLe8ljgyU a fake muzzle-mounted cat] too in this series. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:00, 11 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
:It's good on the producers of this series to keep with the original continuity, overdue as this season is (frankly, it should have been made decades ago since the source material is already finished and not many newer fans have even heard of the original series). Animated series are notorious for "sliding continuity" where it's always "the current year" (for the viewers when the shows originally came out). Another major comeback animation series that had its previous season in 2000, named ''Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card'', has the titular character age only three years (back from when the series first started airing in 1998) and yet somehow be able to make a video call with a smartphone to someone overseas, as if the entire cast took a time machine to the late 2010s without ageing more than three years. If ''Clear Card'' used a more realistic continuity, Sakura would have had to place an overseas phone call to the other character while paying through the nose for the privilege (something that many younger viewers would know nothing about). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 21:08, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Another short continuation of an old series was the Digimon Tri. They remembered it was the late 90s early 2000s with all the tech like CDs and shit [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:55, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Then that's good on them too. If you're interested, you might want to check out [http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/marvel_time.html this link] which convincingly makes the case that a sliding timescale (AKA "Marvel Time") for dramatic stories destroys reader trust, characterization, plot, reader excitement, and continuity. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 23:04, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
Someone in the page stated the SUV Sousuke was driving was a Pajero. We could probably deduce the general year from what model it looks like. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:22, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | Someone in the page stated the SUV Sousuke was driving was a Pajero. We could probably deduce the general year from what model it looks like. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:22, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:It is. Not sure on the gen model, but I've seen them around Manila/Hong Kong and stuff. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:46, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Sousuke's Glock== | ==Sousuke's Glock== | ||
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:May be possible. Though he had a Glock 26 and the animation at GONZO and Kyo Ani just messed this up since animation errors made the 26 look like a 19. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | :May be possible. Though he had a Glock 26 and the animation at GONZO and Kyo Ani just messed this up since animation errors made the 26 look like a 19. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
::I think until they zoom in for a close up to show model number, we'll state it "appears" to be a Glock 19 until otherwise stated based on the size. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:06, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ::I think until they zoom in for a close up to show model number, we'll state it "appears" to be a Glock 19 until otherwise stated based on the size. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:06, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:::I'm down with that. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:44, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
This series seems to be mostly more detailed with it comes to their guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:10, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | This series seems to be mostly more detailed with it comes to their guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:10, 24 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
Also, the way they had Sousuke grip is Glock bothers me. It looked like a tea cup hold but I think IF the gun was supposed to be a Glock 26, it would make sense [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:56, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | |||
Confirmed! Glock 19! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:33, 4 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Gun ID== | |||
Can't quite tell what it is, but it isn't a Glock [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:33, 30 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
:FN HP-DA / Browning BDA9 with early production model decocker [[User:TrickShotFinn|TrickShotFinn]] ([[User talk:TrickShotFinn|talk]]) 09:56, 30 June 2018 (EDT) | |||
==M4/M203 with no rear sights!? and other low production moments== | |||
This is the first time I've seen an animation company done so poorly with how firearms are portrayed. We typically see very fine details but a lot of the scenes with firearms are done kinda piss poorly, especially the M4s. I can understand a live action movie or series forgetting the ask the armorer to put some sights but this is an animation. They remembered to draw the top rails but not a sight? 00:31, 20 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
I'm also putting the image of Sousuke's M4 with the 203 back in place. I don't know why it was integrated with the M4 section since the 203 is a separate weapon and we've always separated them before. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:47, 25 July 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 02:47, 26 July 2018
The Time period of this series
I'm beginning to think this show takes place in an alternate early 2000s since something about Sousuke's XM8C being used, and Kaname's flip up phone never being updated to current time. Excalibur01 (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2018 (EDT)
- Well this series is suppose to be the continuation of the story and since it hasn't even been a year since Sousuke showed up in Kaname's life, it's a nice touch that they maintain the proper timeline instead of suddenly giving everyone smart phones.--Wildcards (talk) 00:34, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- On that topic, the white board in the student council room says it's for the student council of class of Heisei 11 year (平成 11 年), which would be 1999 if I'm not mistaken.--Wildcards (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- I remember the production crew at GONZO saying that the anime version started in the early 2000s... Ominae (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- That would account for Sousuke's XM8 since it was the hotness gun of that period and Mithril is known to have advanced weapons in their arsenal though oddly I would have thought a standard sidearm for Tessa's escort be a more updated 1911 if that was the case. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- I'll throw it in that Mithril SRT/PRT forces were using Cornershots in TSR, though one can argue that they got the first gen models from the production line before it made the '03 released date. Ominae (talk) 10:31, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
- Not to mention the Cornershots they used were actually linked to their visors/goggles whatever you call them instead of video screens that are in the real ones, which is similar to the Land Warrior project. Which goes along with the concept that everything they use is years ahead of the most advanced countries in the world. The M9 ASs they use are barely in trials for the US though it seems like the Soviets of this universe is still trying to outpace the US with tech since they've already fielded their 3rd gen ASs developed by Amaglam. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:22, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
- That's the problem with military-centric fiction that tries to keep viewers interested with the "latest and greatest." It just ends up looking ho-hum if the latest and greatest doesn't end up panning out, just like very few today get excited by the prospect of a major military force adopting the Dreyse Needle Gun as standard-issue. Now that the real-world timeline has long-outpaced the "cutting-edge technology" then-current in the original series' release date, we can only look at this series as alternate history rather than an exciting glimpse of what the real world might be in "a few short years." And the Land Warrior project didn't become anywhere near standard-issue. Still, I wonder if the Cornershot will get a fake muzzle-mounted cat too in this series. --Mazryonh (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
- I'll throw it in that Mithril SRT/PRT forces were using Cornershots in TSR, though one can argue that they got the first gen models from the production line before it made the '03 released date. Ominae (talk) 10:31, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
- That would account for Sousuke's XM8 since it was the hotness gun of that period and Mithril is known to have advanced weapons in their arsenal though oddly I would have thought a standard sidearm for Tessa's escort be a more updated 1911 if that was the case. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- I remember the production crew at GONZO saying that the anime version started in the early 2000s... Ominae (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- It's good on the producers of this series to keep with the original continuity, overdue as this season is (frankly, it should have been made decades ago since the source material is already finished and not many newer fans have even heard of the original series). Animated series are notorious for "sliding continuity" where it's always "the current year" (for the viewers when the shows originally came out). Another major comeback animation series that had its previous season in 2000, named Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card, has the titular character age only three years (back from when the series first started airing in 1998) and yet somehow be able to make a video call with a smartphone to someone overseas, as if the entire cast took a time machine to the late 2010s without ageing more than three years. If Clear Card used a more realistic continuity, Sakura would have had to place an overseas phone call to the other character while paying through the nose for the privilege (something that many younger viewers would know nothing about). --Mazryonh (talk) 21:08, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- Another short continuation of an old series was the Digimon Tri. They remembered it was the late 90s early 2000s with all the tech like CDs and shit Excalibur01 (talk) 00:55, 25 April 2018 (EDT)
- Then that's good on them too. If you're interested, you might want to check out this link which convincingly makes the case that a sliding timescale (AKA "Marvel Time") for dramatic stories destroys reader trust, characterization, plot, reader excitement, and continuity. --Mazryonh (talk) 23:04, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
Someone in the page stated the SUV Sousuke was driving was a Pajero. We could probably deduce the general year from what model it looks like. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- It is. Not sure on the gen model, but I've seen them around Manila/Hong Kong and stuff. Ominae (talk) 10:46, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
Sousuke's Glock
I think this time the animator might've actually went with Glock 19 which is the one he carried in the original light novel.--Wildcards (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- May be possible. Though he had a Glock 26 and the animation at GONZO and Kyo Ani just messed this up since animation errors made the 26 look like a 19. Ominae (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
- I think until they zoom in for a close up to show model number, we'll state it "appears" to be a Glock 19 until otherwise stated based on the size. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:06, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
This series seems to be mostly more detailed with it comes to their guns Excalibur01 (talk) 10:10, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
Also, the way they had Sousuke grip is Glock bothers me. It looked like a tea cup hold but I think IF the gun was supposed to be a Glock 26, it would make sense Excalibur01 (talk) 00:56, 25 April 2018 (EDT)
Confirmed! Glock 19! Excalibur01 (talk) 21:33, 4 May 2018 (EDT)
Gun ID
Can't quite tell what it is, but it isn't a Glock Excalibur01 (talk) 01:33, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
- FN HP-DA / Browning BDA9 with early production model decocker TrickShotFinn (talk) 09:56, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
M4/M203 with no rear sights!? and other low production moments
This is the first time I've seen an animation company done so poorly with how firearms are portrayed. We typically see very fine details but a lot of the scenes with firearms are done kinda piss poorly, especially the M4s. I can understand a live action movie or series forgetting the ask the armorer to put some sights but this is an animation. They remembered to draw the top rails but not a sight? 00:31, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
I'm also putting the image of Sousuke's M4 with the 203 back in place. I don't know why it was integrated with the M4 section since the 203 is a separate weapon and we've always separated them before. Excalibur01 (talk) 22:47, 25 July 2018 (EDT)