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I haven't seen this yet so am only going by the screenshots, but all of the "LE Carbines" appear to actually have M4 length barrels. Also, I think that the carbines carried by the FBI SWAT might actually be HK416s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:10, 14 January 2017 (EST) | I haven't seen this yet so am only going by the screenshots, but all of the "LE Carbines" appear to actually have M4 length barrels. Also, I think that the carbines carried by the FBI SWAT might actually be HK416s. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:10, 14 January 2017 (EST) | ||
:I agree about the 416s. Just saw it and it does look like the HRT members are armed with them. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2017 (EST) | |||
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My question is why would a beat cop have an automatic weapon in his patrol vehicle? I have heard and seen (even here in Canada) cops with Colt LE carbines in their vehicle which is semi-auto only but this? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 08:39, 28 January 2017 (EST) | My question is why would a beat cop have an automatic weapon in his patrol vehicle? I have heard and seen (even here in Canada) cops with Colt LE carbines in their vehicle which is semi-auto only but this? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 08:39, 28 January 2017 (EST) | ||
:I haven't seen the film, but is the gun actually shown being fired in automatic? If not, bear in mind that Colt make the LE6933 which is a semi-only variant of the 933 for LE use. Generally speaking the majority of Colt rifles have a LE/civillian version that is semi-only, we just list them as the military variant (e.g. Model 933, M4A1, M16A4) as there is no way to tell the difference most of the time, they more often than not are intended to portray the military variant, and in a lot of cases the guns will actually be a civilian variant fitted with a full auto lower from a different gun making them indistinguishable from a real full0auto variant. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:30, 28 January 2017 (EST) | :I haven't seen the film, but is the gun actually shown being fired in automatic? If not, bear in mind that Colt make the LE6933 which is a semi-only variant of the 933 for LE use. Generally speaking the majority of Colt rifles have a LE/civillian version that is semi-only, we just list them as the military variant (e.g. Model 933, M4A1, M16A4) as there is no way to tell the difference most of the time, they more often than not are intended to portray the military variant, and in a lot of cases the guns will actually be a civilian variant fitted with a full auto lower from a different gun making them indistinguishable from a real full0auto variant. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:30, 28 January 2017 (EST) | ||
::Definitely full-auto. At one point the officer who fires the weapon refers to it as "the machinegun" before grabbing it and going rock and roll with the thing. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:55, 29 January 2017 (EST) | |||
:::Charon68: I think that going by movie dialogue is a poor way to go about identifying the weapon. But here’s my take: the movie’s armorer probably grabbed full-auto weapons off the rack from inventory, because those are more common in an armory. I doubt the armorer went to the trouble of selecting a semi lower and then putting the 11.5” barrel upper on it, just for the sake of accuracy. Obviously, armorers try to accurately depict weapons used in a real-life incident, but trigger group is a detail that won’t be visible to audiences, so I think it’s unlikely the armorer went to the trouble. | |||
:::Also, the weapon listed on this page as a Salient Tier One is actually just another HK416 (the hand Guard is clearly a quad rail design with the same type of ventilation that was standard on early HK416 rail forearms, rather than a detachable rail system like that used on Salient rifles). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 10:18, 3 September 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Tamerlan pistol== | |||
Article is missing the handgun that Tamerlan was using, looked like a Ruger P series polymer pistol to me. I'm not gonna put it up unless theres a screencap. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] ([[User talk:AdAstra2009|talk]]) 01:50, 8 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Please help ID == | |||
Please help ID these rifles. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:13, 3 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
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[[File:PatriotsD 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
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I don't think the first two are HK417s. The handguards don't look like anything I've ever seen on a 417. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:50, 13 April 2021 (EDT) | |||
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ARs
I haven't seen this yet so am only going by the screenshots, but all of the "LE Carbines" appear to actually have M4 length barrels. Also, I think that the carbines carried by the FBI SWAT might actually be HK416s. --commando552 (talk) 06:10, 14 January 2017 (EST)
- I agree about the 416s. Just saw it and it does look like the HRT members are armed with them. --Charon68 (talk) 19:24, 15 February 2017 (EST)
Colt 933
My question is why would a beat cop have an automatic weapon in his patrol vehicle? I have heard and seen (even here in Canada) cops with Colt LE carbines in their vehicle which is semi-auto only but this? --Charon68 (talk) 08:39, 28 January 2017 (EST)
- I haven't seen the film, but is the gun actually shown being fired in automatic? If not, bear in mind that Colt make the LE6933 which is a semi-only variant of the 933 for LE use. Generally speaking the majority of Colt rifles have a LE/civillian version that is semi-only, we just list them as the military variant (e.g. Model 933, M4A1, M16A4) as there is no way to tell the difference most of the time, they more often than not are intended to portray the military variant, and in a lot of cases the guns will actually be a civilian variant fitted with a full auto lower from a different gun making them indistinguishable from a real full0auto variant. --commando552 (talk) 10:30, 28 January 2017 (EST)
- Charon68: I think that going by movie dialogue is a poor way to go about identifying the weapon. But here’s my take: the movie’s armorer probably grabbed full-auto weapons off the rack from inventory, because those are more common in an armory. I doubt the armorer went to the trouble of selecting a semi lower and then putting the 11.5” barrel upper on it, just for the sake of accuracy. Obviously, armorers try to accurately depict weapons used in a real-life incident, but trigger group is a detail that won’t be visible to audiences, so I think it’s unlikely the armorer went to the trouble.
- Also, the weapon listed on this page as a Salient Tier One is actually just another HK416 (the hand Guard is clearly a quad rail design with the same type of ventilation that was standard on early HK416 rail forearms, rather than a detachable rail system like that used on Salient rifles). -MT2008 (talk) 10:18, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
Tamerlan pistol
Article is missing the handgun that Tamerlan was using, looked like a Ruger P series polymer pistol to me. I'm not gonna put it up unless theres a screencap. --AdAstra2009 (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
Please help ID
Please help ID these rifles. --Ben41 (talk) 16:13, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
I don't think the first two are HK417s. The handguards don't look like anything I've ever seen on a 417. Spartan198 (talk) 21:50, 13 April 2021 (EDT)