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First pic looks like some kind of shorthand history of U.S. infantry rifles, with the Winchester lever actions, what might be a [[Krag-Jørgensen]] carbine, a [[M1903 Springfield]], an [[M1 Garand]], and a post-war [[M1 Carbine]]. | First pic looks like some kind of shorthand history of U.S. infantry rifles, with the Winchester lever actions, what might be a [[Krag-Jørgensen]] carbine, a [[M1903 Springfield]], an [[M1 Garand]], and a post-war [[M1 Carbine]]. | ||
Second pic is all handguns, a bit hard to tell but the wheelguns all seem to be Colts (I wouldn't be sure of that, though, especially the bottom revolver). The semiautos I'm even less sure about, but I'd confidently say that the bottom pistol's a | Second pic is all handguns, a bit hard to tell but the wheelguns all seem to be Colts (I wouldn't be sure of that, though, especially the bottom revolver). The semiautos I'm even less sure about, but I'd confidently say that the bottom pistol's a Glock. | ||
Third pic has what I believe is an [[M16A2]] (or one of those A2-handguarded-A1s), then an [[FN FNC]], [[FN FAL]], and a AKM/Type 56 without stock. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC) | Third pic has what I believe is an [[M16A2]] (or one of those A2-handguarded-A1s), then an [[FN FNC]], [[FN FAL]], and a AKM/Type 56 without stock. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Hopefully some of my guesses are accurate. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC) | Hopefully some of my guesses are accurate. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
BTW, I need to point out that museum pieces will often have their firing mechanisms disabled, much less be loaded or in the case of the "Magnetic Accelerator", be charged. [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] ([[User talk:Sanjuro|talk]]) 16:50, 30 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
: Not to sound rude, but why do you 'need' to point that out? Pretty much all of us on here (and I would hope many who read this page) already know that. With that said, I suppose I need to point out ultimately we're talking about a fictional action film, not real life. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:47, 30 April 2015 (EDT) | |||
:: You make a good point, but it is so egregious since the second half of the movie depends on what was stolen from the museum, I thought clarification was necessary. [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] ([[User talk:Sanjuro|talk]]) 03:20, 1 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Don't use that word, it is a bad word. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:30, 1 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
::In a world with no crime and no murder, would they think it necessary to disarm museum weapons? You used to be able to walk straight from the airport entrance to your seat on the plane before a-holes ruined it for everyone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:42, 1 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Loading them might be considered a bit much, but then again considering the way their society presents itself, the tour is probably like "look at all these weapons of violence, preserved in their fully violent state." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:44, 2 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
==G11== | ==G11== | ||
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== Unidentified Double Barrelled Pistol is Japanese flare pistol == | == Unidentified Double Barrelled Pistol is Japanese flare pistol == | ||
According to [https://secure.longmountain.com/just-for-fun/movie-guns/DemolitionMan/ Long Mountain Outfitters], this is Japanese double-barreled flare pistol. I suppose that it must be 28mm Kayaba Type 90, adopted by Japanese Imperial Navy in 1930. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 14:40, 1 June 2012 (CDT) | According to [https://secure.longmountain.com/just-for-fun/movie-guns/DemolitionMan/ Long Mountain Outfitters], this is Japanese double-barreled flare pistol. I suppose that it must be 28mm Kayaba Type 90, adopted by Japanese Imperial Navy in 1930. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 14:40, 1 June 2012 (CDT) | ||
== G11 Pic == | |||
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Out of curiosity, what on Earth is that thing above the G11 on the right? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:54, 8 July 2013 (EDT) | |||
:Looks like a paintball gun (bottom tube for gas, middle is the barrel, top is a paintball magazine), possibly a Sheridan PMI Pursuit pistol or a relative thereof. [http://www.auctionbandits.com/gallery_images/auctionbandits-sheridan-pursuit-pmi-paintball-marker-gun.jpg Here] is a picture of a "carbine" one with a stock attached. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:49, 8 July 2013 (EDT) Edit: After a bit more googling I found the [http://www.vintagerex.com/pics/gunpics/PMI%20-%20Sheridan/P-68%20SC/articles/sheridan_p68-sc.jpg Sheridan P68] which is a much closer (exact IMHO) match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:54, 8 July 2013 (EDT) | |||
==Spartan's S&W Auto== | |||
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It's listed as a 59 but it seems to have both a barrel/slide and grip too small for a full-size, and doesn't seem to have the frame bulge so it's not a 59 or any hi-cap model. I think it's a compact and, given what appears to be an ambi safety, something much newer, in the 3rd Generation series - Probably a [[Smith & Wesson 3914]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 15:23, 30 November 2014 (EST) | |||
==The Beretta== | |||
[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92F (9x19mm) used by Bruce Willis in ''[[Die Hard]]'', and later by Sylvester Stallone in ''[[Demolition Man]]''. This is the screen-used gun from the film; note the extended mag release and slide release, which were modifications made specifically for Bruce Willis.]] | |||
[[Image:BerettaM92FS DH1&LW1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen used Beretta carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in this film and in ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]''. Note that the magazine release is no longer reversed for left-handed shooters, since this gun was used by many other actors in other films and TV series.]] | |||
I suspect that the Beretta in this movie is the second gun, not the first (which is currently the one on the page). Dan Shea got his information wrong when he visited Cinema Weaponry - he apparently thought that the same Beretta 92F was used on all of the ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' movies. But when MPM2008 visited Cinema Weaponry in 2009 and took pictures of all the guns in Mike Papac's museum display, he learned that the 92F with extended slide release was only used on the first entries in both franchises, and then a 92FS was purchased for use on ''[[Lethal Weapon 2]]'' (and subsequently used on ''[[Die Hard 2]]''). I suspect that the Beretta in ''[[Demolition Man]]'' is also the same 92FS used from ''[[Lethal Weapon 2]]'' onwards - I say this in part because it does not have the extended slide release that was added for the first ''[[Die Hard]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 12:15, 6 January 2015 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 11:44, 2 May 2015
I'm pretty sure that the Mini-14 listed in the should actually be an AC-556 (the automatic version of the Ruger Mini-14), based on the appearance of a selector switch. See input from this discussion: http://www.uzitalk.com/forums//showthread.php?t=46732
- If you feel that it is so and you have evidence; then go ahead and correct it :) --AdAstra2009 20:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
What about the Inox having a frame mounted safety? The picture of an Inox show's a slide safety like all other Beretta 92's/96's. Wouldn't a frame mounted safety be a Taurus?
- It's just the angle and the screenshot quality; it does actually have a slide-mounted safety, so this weapon is a Beretta 92FS Inox. -MT2008 01:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
MP5 w/ odd flash hider
Anyone know the kind of flash hider (I am sorry if this is the incorrect terminology) the MP5 on the lower right has? --Milkovich 16:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
- Not something from the factory. Looks a lot like the flash hider on the MP5 in End of Days. -MT2008 01:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- So I finally figured out what this MP5 is. It's actually a custom-built weapon that was originally made for the movie Nemesis (it's one of Albert Pyun's first films). It actually appears on the poster for that movie. Apparently, this gun was also used in Executive Decision (though I mistook it for an SP89 when I did that page). -MT2008 (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2013 (EDT)
Museum displays
4 caps of the museum armoury:
--Milkovich 19:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
First pic looks like some kind of shorthand history of U.S. infantry rifles, with the Winchester lever actions, what might be a Krag-Jørgensen carbine, a M1903 Springfield, an M1 Garand, and a post-war M1 Carbine.
Second pic is all handguns, a bit hard to tell but the wheelguns all seem to be Colts (I wouldn't be sure of that, though, especially the bottom revolver). The semiautos I'm even less sure about, but I'd confidently say that the bottom pistol's a Glock.
Third pic has what I believe is an M16A2 (or one of those A2-handguarded-A1s), then an FN FNC, FN FAL, and a AKM/Type 56 without stock. StanTheMan 01:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- There is a stock; it's folded under. So AKMS? The Wierd It 12:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- - Or a Type 56-1, perhaps. Either way, indeed, underfolder stock there. StanTheMan 17:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- The Krag looks more like a Trapdoor Springfield carbine. --funkychinaman 02:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, there is a bit of shadow there, but looking close, I don't see the side magazine that would be on a Krag, so, indeed could be a Trapdoor. Good one. StanTheMan 03:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
And now we have a fourth pic - lets see, MP5A2, MP5K (I think), Steyr AUG 16" Barrel, MP5A3, UZI, Ruger AC556F, what appears to be two sawn-off shotguns, another MP5K, full-size pump shotgun with pistol grip, and FN FAL Para (folding stock). Can't tell much about the bottom long-gun in the display. The rifle on the mannequin might be a Mauser K98k, and at the bottom of the frame in front of that, three MAC-10/11s.
Hopefully some of my guesses are accurate. :b StanTheMan 17:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
BTW, I need to point out that museum pieces will often have their firing mechanisms disabled, much less be loaded or in the case of the "Magnetic Accelerator", be charged. Sanjuro (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2015 (EDT)
- Not to sound rude, but why do you 'need' to point that out? Pretty much all of us on here (and I would hope many who read this page) already know that. With that said, I suppose I need to point out ultimately we're talking about a fictional action film, not real life. StanTheMan (talk) 17:47, 30 April 2015 (EDT)
- You make a good point, but it is so egregious since the second half of the movie depends on what was stolen from the museum, I thought clarification was necessary. Sanjuro (talk) 03:20, 1 May 2015 (EDT)
- In a world with no crime and no murder, would they think it necessary to disarm museum weapons? You used to be able to walk straight from the airport entrance to your seat on the plane before a-holes ruined it for everyone. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2015 (EDT)
G11
G11???
I'm wondering how the grim bloody hell the armorers of this movie got their hands on a g11....... anyone have any idea?
- It can just be a shell, or a toy, for all we know. It doesn't actually fire in the movie. --funkychinaman 00:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The G11 was modified to be the "ray gun" in the film.
- - Uh, we know that. The question was how did they get ahold an an actual HK G11? And I would agree with FCM, it's probably a non-firing dummy or some other fake prop. StanTheMan 20:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been wondering about this gun for a while so did a bit of research. Apparently the physical gun used in the film is a prop weapon made by the armourer Michael Papac. However, it was made referencing a real G11 (not sure if casts were taken or just measurements and replicated) that was leant to him by H&K. H&K heavily scrutinised the plans and production of the prop gun, and it had to be given to H&K once the filming was complete, hence why it has never turned up again. I would imagine it is currently in a museum/display room somewhere standing in for a real G11. --commando552 11:06, 11 December 2011 (CST)
- But why bother building a well researched replica of an existing gun from scratch if you're going to make it a sci-fi ray gun anyway? He could've saved himself a lot of trouble by designing something himself, or even using an existing "ray gun" prop. --Funkychinaman 12:47, 11 December 2011 (CST)
- I would be very surprised if it turned out that they actually used a physical genuine firing G11 in this movie as opposed to a replica/cast. First reason, I doubt that H&K would let them run around with this rare prototype weapon. Second reason, haven't seen it in a while gut I believe there were indicator lights built into the gun and again, doubt that H&K would have let the film makers hack away at the gun to install some LEDs (I think this is the dashed line along the left side of the receiver). Thirdly, I don't believe the gun actually fires at any point, is all post production effects. Lastly, on the real gun the magazine has a circular window at the front through which you can see the magazine spring (don't know how this is particularly useful apart from knowing if a magazine is totally full, but it is there on K1 and K2 rifles) but on the movie gun this circular area is not transparent and appears to be made of the same material as the rest of the gun indicating it is a cast/replica. --commando552 16:36, 11 December 2011 (CST)
- Commando552's story matches what I've heard; I have talked to people in the industry (and people who know people in the industry), and the story that he has told matches what I know. The G11s seen in this movie (as with all "hero" props, there were multiples) were not real, but H&K did loan Cinema Weaponry a prototype G11 so that it could be cast and the replicas built for the production's use. The only thing that Commando552 got wrong is that Mike Papac did not construct the movie's G11s himself (he was just the on-set weapons handler, not the gunsmith). I have no idea who actually built the G11 replicas, but since the G11s in the movie did not actually fire blanks, I doubt that they needed a gunsmith to build them. I'm guessing that the art department's mold makers would have been responsible for that job, but since the G11 is a restricted weapon, they would not have been able to go near the prototype loaned by H&K (let alone study/mold it) unless Mike Papac was present.
- Also Funkychinaman, to answer your question: The movie's script called for a magnetic accelerator gun, but the director insisted that the gun be portrayed by the G11 (apparently, he'd read about the G11 in a magazine and became obsessed with having it in the movie). It may seem like a ridiculous creative decision, but sometimes, that's what happens during the time between pre-production and filming: The screenwriter decides one thing and the director decides another. -MT2008 13:17, 14 December 2011 (CST)
I just had a thought today, you wouldn't be able to have a blank firing G11 anyway because the G11 fired caseless ammunition, unless I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a way to have the gun fire blanks. --cool-breeze 19:34, 2 June 2012 (CDT)
Actually there were blanks from nearly every prototype ammo stage that were developed for the G11 project also there were a variaty of different mags for the late G11s(ACR, K1, K2, K2/3) with and without windows and or grip grooves, more round or edgy edges, longitudinally or transversely welded. The spring on the windowed mags had one colored spiral that was when the mag was empty close to the "top" of the mag and when full at the "botton", so you could roughly tell the filling level. I bet the prop was casted because the level of detail is way to hight to be sculpted or something else by scratch and you can see clearly marks where the two halfs meet continuously all over the gun (literally ignoring every part of the gun), besides that you can see a big allenscrew infront of the two clipper that originally hold the forearm. Even if the director wanted it for some weird reason I think it represends the technology of the 20th century as shown in the film quite good, what makes that movie so interesting is that is so extreme in every way and the G11 is the most advanced firearms technology of the 20th century that you can find, especially considering the time the movie was made. --DAN11 (talk) 19:02, 30 November 2012 (EST)
Unidentified Double Barrelled Pistol is Japanese flare pistol
According to Long Mountain Outfitters, this is Japanese double-barreled flare pistol. I suppose that it must be 28mm Kayaba Type 90, adopted by Japanese Imperial Navy in 1930. Greg-Z 14:40, 1 June 2012 (CDT)
G11 Pic
Out of curiosity, what on Earth is that thing above the G11 on the right? Evil Tim (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
- Looks like a paintball gun (bottom tube for gas, middle is the barrel, top is a paintball magazine), possibly a Sheridan PMI Pursuit pistol or a relative thereof. Here is a picture of a "carbine" one with a stock attached. --commando552 (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2013 (EDT) Edit: After a bit more googling I found the Sheridan P68 which is a much closer (exact IMHO) match. --commando552 (talk) 11:54, 8 July 2013 (EDT)
Spartan's S&W Auto
It's listed as a 59 but it seems to have both a barrel/slide and grip too small for a full-size, and doesn't seem to have the frame bulge so it's not a 59 or any hi-cap model. I think it's a compact and, given what appears to be an ambi safety, something much newer, in the 3rd Generation series - Probably a Smith & Wesson 3914. StanTheMan (talk) 15:23, 30 November 2014 (EST)
The Beretta
I suspect that the Beretta in this movie is the second gun, not the first (which is currently the one on the page). Dan Shea got his information wrong when he visited Cinema Weaponry - he apparently thought that the same Beretta 92F was used on all of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon movies. But when MPM2008 visited Cinema Weaponry in 2009 and took pictures of all the guns in Mike Papac's museum display, he learned that the 92F with extended slide release was only used on the first entries in both franchises, and then a 92FS was purchased for use on Lethal Weapon 2 (and subsequently used on Die Hard 2). I suspect that the Beretta in Demolition Man is also the same 92FS used from Lethal Weapon 2 onwards - I say this in part because it does not have the extended slide release that was added for the first Die Hard. -MT2008 (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2015 (EST)