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== Other variants ==
= Additional Images =
[[Image:Nagant silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Actual NKVD-issued supressed Nagant revolver - 7.62 x 38mm Nagant]]
== Live Guns ==
[[Image:Nagant 1895 produces 1920s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Nagant 1895, produced 1920s. The rounded front sight is a sing of revolvers produced from 1890s until 1930 - 7.62x38N cartridge (aka 7.62 Nagant ammo).]]
[[Image:Nagant 1895 produces 1920s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Nagant 1895, produced 1920s. The rounded front sight is a sign of revolvers produced from 1890s until 1930 - 7.62x38R Nagant]]
[[Image:Nagan 1895 wz Ng 30.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Wz. Ng30, Polish version of Russian Nagant 1895. Also known as "Nagant-Radom" or "Radom-Nagant" - 7.62x38N cartridge (aka 7.62 Nagant ammo).]]
[[Image:Nagant M1910.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nagant M1910 swing out cylinder Revolver - 7.62x38R Nagant. This version was made at Liege as a replacement for the M1895, but it was never introduced in mass production.]]
[[Image:Nagant revolver sporting versions.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sporting versions of Nagant 1895 revolver: 1950s version (bottom) and later TOZ-36 - 7.62x38N cartridge (aka 7.62 Nagant ammo).]]
[[Image:Nagan 1895 wz Ng 30.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Wz. Ng30, Polish version of Russian Nagant 1895. Also known as "Nagant-Radom" or "Radom-Nagant" - 7.62x38R Nagant]]
[[Image:Nagant 1895 carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Nagant 1895 in carbine version (12 inch barrel). This weapon was produced in very small amount in 1912-1913 for Russian border guards - 7.62x38N cartridge (aka 7.62 Nagant ammo).]]
[[Image:Nagant revolver sporting versions.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The MTs-4, 1950s sporting version of Nagant 1895 (bottom) - 7.62x38R Nagant, and the [[TOZ-36]] (upper) - 7.62x38R V-1.]]
- [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 05:21, 15 January 2012 (CST)
[[Image:Nagant 1895 carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Russian Nagant 1895 carbine version (12 inch barrel). This weapon was produced in very small amount in 1912-1913 for Russian border guards - 7.62x38R Nagant]]
[[File:Nagan 1895-22-Target.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A long barreled target version of Nagant M1895 - .22 LR]]
[[File:1878Nagant.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nagant M1878]]
[[Image:Nagant M1895 Suppressed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nagant M1895 with Bramit suppressor (modern replica) - 7.62x38R Nagant]]
[[Image:Nagant silenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Suppressed" Nagant revolver - 7.62x38R Nagant. While this revolver is sometimes represented as an "actual NKVD-issued", in reality this is a replica that has nothing in common with real suppressed Nagants (see above for a Nagant with Bramit suppressor, really used by NKVD and Red Army)]]


== Blank-firing and Non-lethal Versions ==
[[File:Nagant Blef.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Blef" (VPO-503 "Nagan-S"), a blank-firing version of Nagant M1895 - .22 Gevelot small cap]]
[[File:Naganych R-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Naganych" R-1, a gas- and rubber-firing version of Nagant M1895 - 9mm P.A.]]
== Airsoft Versions ==
[[File:Gletcher NGT F Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gletcher NGT F Black - .177]]
=Discussion=
== Airwolf, Ep.1 ==
== Airwolf, Ep.1 ==


There was a Nagant M1895 in the first episode of Airwolf. The character Moffit, the one that designed and made off with the helicopter had one once he arrived in Libya. There were a couple of good close ups, so there is no mistaking what it was.
There was a Nagant M1895 in the first episode of Airwolf. The character Moffit, the one that designed and made off with the helicopter had one once he arrived in Libya. There were a couple of good close ups, so there is no mistaking what it was.


== Consoldiation? ==
== Consolidation? ==


Is there any way we could retitle and reformat this page to include all Nagant revolvers? It seems a waste of space to make pages for every variation when most are only going to appear in one or two films at best. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]
Is there any way we could retitle and reformat this page to include all Nagant revolvers? It seems a waste of space to make pages for every variation when most are only going to appear in one or two films at best. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]
 
:I think it probably makes sense to regroup the revolvers in chronological order, as in the other big pages. It's okay to have one earlier version below, but when there are many it becomes confusing. Also, the Nagant is not natively Russian, it was produced by Belgium, Spain, and many others. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:37, 15 August 2021 (EDT)
== Why did they go through all that trouble to make a gas seal mechanism?  ==
 
From what I've read, the Nagant M1895's unique gas sealing mechanism necessitated a fixed cylinder, so it was as cumbersome to load as the famous [[Single Action Army]]. This might not be seen as a major disadvantage to users accustomed to this loading method, but top-break revolvers have been around since at least the latter half of the 19th century (look at the [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]]), with swing-out cylinders following afterwards. The massive double-action trigger pull is mentioned on the page for this weapon, so it was clearly not very user-friendly except for those who were used to revolvers like the [[Single Action Army]] (which also had a fixed cylinder, could only be unloaded/reloaded one round at a time, and required cocking the hammer after every shot, a practice which would largely negate the heavy trigger pull of the Nagant M1895). The gas seal is a neat trick to allow usage of a suppressor and to make the gun more ballistically efficient, except suppressors were first developed in the early 20th century in America, and the Nagant Revolver's proprietary ammunition isn't very powerful either, so the ballistic gain you get from the gas seal isn't going to make it that much better.  
 
If I didn't know better, I'd think that the Nagant M1895 was an over-specialized brainchild of a dictator (except that 1895 was still in the era of Tsarist Russia, more than 2 decades before Stalin and the Russian Revolution) or a wrench-head with too much time on his hands. Its characteristics might have made more sense to me ''if'' it was designed from the ground-up as a clandestine weapon that would allow for fairly rapid, suppressed, shots without the need for working a slide lock or bolt action (the suppressed version also benefits from its fairly anemic cartridge--less blast and flash in the first place means a more effective suppressor), but such a design goal would have been anachronistic for 1895. Can anyone shed some light on this? Did the Tsar or some other sufficiently powerful Russian authority figure at the time say to a wrench-head "We have too many important people burning or losing their fingers due to the cylinder gap on our service revolvers--find a way to eliminate that!"? Could the gas seal mechanism originally have been intended as a ''safety'' feature? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 20:59, 16 December 2012 (EST)

Latest revision as of 22:02, 25 September 2023

Additional Images

Live Guns

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Russian Nagant 1895, produced 1920s. The rounded front sight is a sign of revolvers produced from 1890s until 1930 - 7.62x38R Nagant
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Nagant M1910 swing out cylinder Revolver - 7.62x38R Nagant. This version was made at Liege as a replacement for the M1895, but it was never introduced in mass production.
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Wz. Ng30, Polish version of Russian Nagant 1895. Also known as "Nagant-Radom" or "Radom-Nagant" - 7.62x38R Nagant
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The MTs-4, 1950s sporting version of Nagant 1895 (bottom) - 7.62x38R Nagant, and the TOZ-36 (upper) - 7.62x38R V-1.
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Russian Nagant 1895 carbine version (12 inch barrel). This weapon was produced in very small amount in 1912-1913 for Russian border guards - 7.62x38R Nagant
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A long barreled target version of Nagant M1895 - .22 LR
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Nagant M1878
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Nagant M1895 with Bramit suppressor (modern replica) - 7.62x38R Nagant
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"Suppressed" Nagant revolver - 7.62x38R Nagant. While this revolver is sometimes represented as an "actual NKVD-issued", in reality this is a replica that has nothing in common with real suppressed Nagants (see above for a Nagant with Bramit suppressor, really used by NKVD and Red Army)

Blank-firing and Non-lethal Versions

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"Blef" (VPO-503 "Nagan-S"), a blank-firing version of Nagant M1895 - .22 Gevelot small cap
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"Naganych" R-1, a gas- and rubber-firing version of Nagant M1895 - 9mm P.A.

Airsoft Versions

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Gletcher NGT F Black - .177

Discussion

Airwolf, Ep.1

There was a Nagant M1895 in the first episode of Airwolf. The character Moffit, the one that designed and made off with the helicopter had one once he arrived in Libya. There were a couple of good close ups, so there is no mistaking what it was.

Consolidation?

Is there any way we could retitle and reformat this page to include all Nagant revolvers? It seems a waste of space to make pages for every variation when most are only going to appear in one or two films at best. - Nyles

I think it probably makes sense to regroup the revolvers in chronological order, as in the other big pages. It's okay to have one earlier version below, but when there are many it becomes confusing. Also, the Nagant is not natively Russian, it was produced by Belgium, Spain, and many others. --Slon95 (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2021 (EDT)
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