Talk:Furious 7: Difference between revisions
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It seems Brian's handgun is a Glock 19 - note how the bottom of the grip is not parallel to the slide.
It seems Brian's handgun is a Glock 19 - note how the bottom of the grip is not parallel to the slide.
--[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 14:06, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
--[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 14:06, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
: I agree about it being a G19 - In addition to the above note, the grip itself and and slide both seem a bit short for a G17. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:30, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
: I agree about it being a G19 - In addition to the above note, the grip itself and and slide both seem a bit short for a G17. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:30, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
It's supposed to be a Glock 23. I'd link to the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, but it doesn't seem to want to let me. “Paul transitioned from Sig 226s and Glock 22s to a S&W 1911 E-series for his carry piece, fitted with Crimson Trace’s excellent laser grips,” said DeLouche. “Though he also uses a Sig (taken from a bad guy), he carries a backup Glock 23 in a chest rig, and a Glock 18 in a drop-leg. For the final battle we see him prep an LMT custom AR .308, and an H&K MP5K."--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 11:44, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
I read that article also and all it did was raise some questions re the Glocks. Why mix calibers( .40 and 9mm) for the same actor in the same scene, and why use a holstered Full auto Glock 18 with a standard 17 round mag instead of the 33 round happy stick that will let viewers know " Ah hah, he's got a machine gun" ?
Other than shoving the tan Glock into his chest holster, there wasn't any real exposition of weapons prep for Walker. All that really.happened with his Glocks was the tan one got knocked out of his hands. Perhaps there is such footage that was deleted and the quotes in the article were made before editing was finished.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 14:51, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
:I finally got around to adding the specific weapons mentioned in Range365.com (nobody did it after three years :P). Didn't include the CZ Scorpion mentioned in one of the sections below, since it doesn't seem to be visible in the film. Regarding the Glock 22, I don't recall seeing Paul Walker wielding any Glock other than the 23 and the 18. However, in the bus fight, he attempts to disarm Tony Jaa's character, who was holding a full sized Glock currently listed as a 17 in the page (Walker doesn't grab the pistol, though). Perhaps they were referring to this pistol when mentioning the Glock 22? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:06, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
::First of all, the "CZ Scorpion" is the Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion that Deckard uses, second of all, just because the armorer says Paul Walker uses a Glock 18 and a Glock 23 doesn't mean they are, and sometimes armorers can misidentify guns, and the converted 17s are mostly used to stand in for the 18s (who uses a Glock 18 with a 17 round mag?) and the 19s mostly used to stand in for the 23s because the 19s are easier and I think cheaper to convert to blank fire same with the 17s, third of all, the SW1911 used by Paul is not a E-Series due to not having scale-like slide serrations because I was once going through frame by frame before he was disarmed by Tony Jaa when they were fighting the first time on the bus, could just be a modified SW1911 due to the ambidextrous safety & rail, last of all, now the Glock 22 mentioned in the article, I think it was referring to the one in ''[[Fast & Furious]]'' where he was working as an FBI agent, even though the "22" doesn't appear as the gun he was using, just wanted to get that off of my chest, I could be wrong about a thing or two that I said.
[[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 22:28, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:::I initially thought that they were talking about the CZ Scorpion Evo 3, due to the way they they spelled it. However, while I'm not sure about the 1911, I think you're overthinking a bit regarding the "they misidentified the Glocks" part. It's one thing if an armorer called an AK-based weapon a generic "AK-47" when it's a Type 56 or a WASR, but it's another when they state specific models like the Glock 22 and 23. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't simply say Glock 17 and 19 if they were truly the models used. As for the "Glock 18 with a 17 round mag" part, you have it in some movies such as [[Exit Wounds]] and [[Revolver (2005)]], plus having it holstered with an extended 33-round magazine would be cumbersome. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:57, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
::::Sometimes armorers can get guns mixed up and identify a gun wrong and I also did the frame by frame on the Glock 19/23 mag when Brian was loading up and I still don't know the brass rounds in the mag either the 9mm or the .40 S&W brass bullets, the 1911 has the S&W markings and front slant slide serrations while I did the frame by frame thing on it, I rather just leave the entries the way it is for now until further notice.
[[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 21:42, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
:::::Well, in the event that you see actual 9mm brass bullets in the magazines shown in the movie, fair enough; but until then, there's no use in assuming that they misidentified it. Just because some armorers can get guns mixed up doesn't necessarily mean it's the case here; if they say that a Glock 18 and a 23 were used, then it only makes sense to ID them as such, since there's nothing significant to prove otherwise. I mean, if we go by the logic of not listing a pistol as G22/G23 because "it's easier to have G17 and G19", we would end up replacing almost all non-9mm Glock IDs by 9mm Glock IDs on the IMFDB movie pages. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:19, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
::::::Is these brass rounds 9mm or .40?
[[File:Furious7_BrianGlock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|1st View, Brass 9 or 40?]]
[[File:Furious7_BrianGlock2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|2nd View, Same Question]]
[[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 13:55, 17 July 2019 (EDT)
::Well... here are additional screenshots...
::[[File:FF7 419.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
::...and honestly I'm not 100% sure. It does probably look like a .40 S&W, but the motion blur is really tricky. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:01, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
==Weapons==
==Weapons==
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Hobbs was using a Springfield XD in the fight at the DSS Building--[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] ([[User talk:ZombieKiller|talk]]) 04:22, 11 July 2015 (EDT)
Hobbs was using a Springfield XD in the fight at the DSS Building--[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] ([[User talk:ZombieKiller|talk]]) 04:22, 11 July 2015 (EDT)
Any idea what kind of shotguns were being used by the prison guards at the end of the movie? The ones carried by the guards escorting Statham seem to have underslung pistols/tasers. Mossberg 590? Mossberg X-12 LLS XREP? --[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 10:17, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
I just noticed that the M240 on the main page was changed from the FN-MAG to the M240B. Wouldn't it be an M240D because of the spade grips?--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 15:04, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not sure... the one shown in the first and third screecap has an M240B's heatshield, while the second one lacks it. They both have a lower RIS handguard, though. That would be the case for an M240H, but nevermind on this one, since it has a different flash suppressor. Any ideas about the ID? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:56, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
== Redirect Needed? ==
== Redirect Needed? ==
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The rifle that Stathem is holding in Dubai has an AR-15 magazine inserted so it can't be a 552 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:54, 1 August 2015 (EDT)
The rifle that Stathem is holding in Dubai has an AR-15 magazine inserted so it can't be a 552 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:54, 1 August 2015 (EDT)
:Closest match that I can think of is a SIG556 SWAT SBR, but the handguard is different so it may have started off as something else which has been customised into a similar finished product. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:13, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
From the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, a quote from prop master Guillaume DeLouche: “All of Jason Statham’s stuff was new and fun. It had to be very exotic and have a European terrorist flair, like those groups in the 80s his character would have hunted down, so we gave him an Accuracy International Sniper Rifle that we made into a takedown, a CZ Scorpion, an IMI Micro UZI, and a '''SIG 556 Commando''' with grenade launcher,” said DeLouche. “In his lair, as he prepares, you see an even more impressive array of weapons.” These include a Serbu Super Shorty, a SIG P228, an HK MP5 K, and a suppressed Ruger MKII."--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 10:09, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::So let's rename it to the 556. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)
== Deckard's SIG P226 ==
I can't tell if my eyes are playing tricks on me or if the P226 that Shaw uses is always a P226R? It appears to have a rail under the P226 section, but I can't tell for certain. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 18:50, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
[[File:Furious7 P226R 2.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
:Although the rail's three spacing slots are not visible in this shot, this P226 apparently has a rail's sliding surface, so I think you're right. Also, I wonder what's the submachine gun carried by the operative choked by Dominic when meeting with Mr. Nobody for the first time; at first it seemed to me to be a Brügger & Thomet TP9, but apparently it isn't. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:27, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
::I just noticed that the grip panel is taller, thanks to Ben41's better screencap. Coupled with the rail's sliding surface, this confirms that it's always a P226R. I'll change it on the page. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 11:38, 29 September 2015 (EDT)
Hi, I'm new here. I noticed that the submachine gun used by Mr. Nobody's operative wasn't on the page either, and I initially thought it was a Brugger & Thomet MP9, but now I'm not so sure.--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 09:02, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
== Brian's P226R & Others ==
I know that Brian uses a P226R, which the movie kind of makes look like he takes off of one of Tony Jaa's men in the bus. The other men on the bus that Brian shoots with his P226R look to be carrying Glock 19s or 17s (I'm leaning towards 19). The main page incorrectly states that Tony Jaa picks up Brian's P226R before the bus flips, but going frame by frame, it looks like he picks up the Glock the first guy Brian shoots was using. Also, there are no entries for any of the guns carried by the guards at Mando's estate. One looks like an AR-15 variant(possibly an HK33?), another looks to be an UZI, and another looks to be an AKM. There's also an unidentified shotgun used by at least one of Mr. Nobody's men during the factory raid. I also can't figure out the pistol Tony Jaa uses during the raid when he does a flip and shoots one of the operatives. The main page says that Jakande uses an AKMS, but I'm not sure if that's what he's using in the raid when he shoots Sheppard. Can anyone confirm? And if anyone has any info about the guns Brian and Tej use to fire the explosives that latch onto the bus, even if they are made for movie, please let me know! Thanks!--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 09:14, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
The page is updated with the launchers used by Brian and Tej. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 18:10, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
Awesome. Never seen those launchers before. Thanks!--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 10:08, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
Nicely done on the new additions. Now that we're saying Brian uses a Springfield Armory TRP as his personal sidearm (he draws it from his holster before Kiet disarms him), the write-ups for the Glock 19 (Glock 23) and the P226R need to be re-written.--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 10:07, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
== MP5K with PDW stock ==
Is this gun ever shown firing? It is missing the paddle magazine release which means that it is either a replica of some sort which has this part omitted, it has been broken off, or it is a partially converted SP89. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:36, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:Statham's MP5K in the extended cut is not shown firing, but the one used by Paul Walker near the end is. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:32, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::So we're good to change this section to an SP89 converted to full-auto? (it has an S-E-F trigger group) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:25, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::I don't think it is a SP89, it could be a replica or broken MP5K because the receivers don't match.
[[File:H&K-MP5KEarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch SP89 mocked up as a MP5K - 9x19mm]][[File:FF7_106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deckard Shaw ([[Jason Statham]]) holds the MP5K in the extended scene.]]
--[[User:I'mallaboutguns.1|I'mallaboutguns.1]] ([[User talk:I'mallaboutguns.1|talk]]) 07:12, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
:Doesn't mean it isn't one; from what I see [http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/SP89-MP5K-SEF-Contoured-Trigger-Group-C-P-140p1691.htm here], you can have an SEF trigger group on a converted SP89 (this includes the triangular stuff on the receiver and the like). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:22, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
::It is easier to get an SP89 to have what appears to be an SEF trigger housing than to give one a paddle release. The trigger housings can be cut at the front to allow for the semi-shelf and have a fake pin epoxied in place and it will just fit straight onto the normal SP89 receiver. To fit a paddle release I believe that you actually have to do some machining on the receiver itself, and it has to be done in a specific way to comply with BATFE regs. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:03, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
:::That thing about the abscense of the paddle mag release confuses me. I was watching a forgotten weapons video about the very first US imported CETME rifles which still had the paddle release. If i remember correctly Ian said that they later removed it just to make the rifle more different than the select fire ones, but that they didn't actually ''have'' to do it.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:33, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
::::I cant find a FW video about early CETMEs, but there is one about the first G3 that was imported which had a paddle release. To quote "with each batch of imports they had to do more and more to differentiate these guns from the actual military rifles", so I believe that they did have to modify the receiver to make fitting a full auto trigger pack more difficult. It is true that they didn't have to remove the paddle release, however the solution that they chose to solve the trigger pack issue made keeping the original paddle release design impossible, so they would either have to invent a new magazine release just for the sporters, or assume that people can just cope with the push button which is what they chose to do. There are ways of fitting a paddle release these days, however I believe that it is illegal to drill out a pin hole in the receiver (thus also allowing a normal trigger pack to be fitted) which is why solutions have to be a bit of a work around. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:02, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::It was that G3 video, confused the names there.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:00, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
::::::Now back to the topic; if there's no objection, I'll make the change on the page in a while to list the SP89 (this apparently goes for the SMGs of Mr. Nobody's operatives too). Rather weird that they had to go for the faux version in such a movie, but anyway. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:40, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
== Sheppard ==
Regarding the rifle(s) used by Sheppard (John Brotherton), does he actually uses an HK416 when the team storms Shaw's hideout? And I wonder if he carries the same weapon when facing Dom for the first time (as seen in [[:File:FF7 810.jpg|this screencap]]; Sheppard is the third operative from the left, with his P226 drawn). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:04, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:Nevermind, it's sorted, I guess he always uses one. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]])
== Paul Walker? ==
I can admit that im not very up to date with this franchise, but how can Paul Walker be in this movie if he died in real life 2 years ago? Was it made before his death or am i missing something?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 15:32, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
:He died after they were mostly done. They delayed the film's release partially out of respect for his death, and partially to allow some new scenes to be shot. Walker's brother (brothers?) filled in for him, and they used some CGI as well IIRC.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:57, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
::Alright--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:17, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
:::[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] is right. Similar to Oliver Reed dying during the filming of ''Gladiator'', the film was mostly complete, and they managed to use stand-ins and CGI along with a modified storyline to complete enough footage to finish the movie.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:06, 7 October 2015 (EDT)
==Please help ID==
[[File:FF7 37.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
What's the gun flying at the left? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:57, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
:looks like the stock is one of those MP5 collapsible stocks, but the gun doesn't look like an MP5, maybe an MP7?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 12:02, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
::Definitely not an MP7, since the pistol grip is diagonal and not directly attached trigger guard. That's the reason why it can't be either a Mini Uzi (which is the first weapon that came into my mind when I watched this scene, given the rear part). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
[[File:FF7 38.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
There's also this rifle at Mando's estate. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:13, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
:It's a G3, and judging by the slightly suspect looking finish, the cheek riser, bipod (I think), and it not being fired (I assume), my guess would be that it is an airsoft replica of a G3SG/1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:23, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
::Thanks m8. Given the fact that the weapon's stock has a cheek rest, should we put it as a G3SG/1 in the page? Not sure if the real one's sniper scope can be removed, or else it could be another G3 variant (such as the MSG90), or an airsoft version like you said. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:20, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
== Some things i noticed... ==
So first of on this picture below, the markings on the side of the rifle read "SL8-1" and .223 remington, so is it a SL8 mocked up as a KV? If that's the case, how did it get that select-fire lower?
[[File:Furious7 508.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Secondly, on this image, isn't that an HK416 of some sort? The handguard looks like the 416 type and the rail is slightly higher up than it usually is on an AR, another trait of the 416 (i think). Also, it might be the motion blur, but the bolt looks like the fake ones you find on airsoft ARs.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:42, 20 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:Furious7 111.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:Firstly, the rifle in that first image is deffinitely a modified SL8-1. The markings are the most obvious difference, but the rear of the receiver where the stock attaches is also different if you compare it to a real G36. As for how you make this gun, you just put a select fire trigger pack on it to get the markings. This doesn't actually give you select fire though, it just gets you the markings. You also cannot use the G36 selector switch itself and have the use the original SL8 one (which needs to be modified to move the position of the indicator line). Strangely, the other two screenshots show "real" G36s, was the gun ever shown firing? Secondly, the AR is a 10" barrelled HK416, can tell for sure from the gas block. As for the bolt, I think it is a combination of motion blur and the extracting case that gives it that look, the muzzle flash looks like a real one rather than a CG one.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:46, 20 December 2016 (EST)
::As i thought, might be time to fiddle with this page a bit. Thanks for the help bruh--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 21:25, 20 December 2016 (EST)
:::This has apparently been settled, but in case someone wants to check other views of the gun:
:::[[File:Furious7 109.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:::[[File:Furious7 112.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
:::--[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:37, 21 December 2016 (EST)
It's ''sorta'' possible to make out the HK markings on that last image there. Btw, what kind of gear are those operator dudes using? Looks kinda overdesigned.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:20, 21 December 2016 (EST)
==AK in Caucasus Mountains==
[[File:FF7 157.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
It's only seen at that distance, but what could it be? (if not an Arsenal AR-1F or something) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 19:42, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
:To me it looks like it might be an [[AMD-65]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:02, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yep, agreed. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:40, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
I'm fairly sure that this isn't a DRD as firstly there are some differences in the receiver, and secondly there is an "LMT" logo on the lower. I think it is an LM7MWS, but I do not know much about the LMT rifles (although I know it isn't the LM308MWS/LM7/L129A1) so might have the wrong model:
It seems Brian's handgun is a Glock 19 - note how the bottom of the grip is not parallel to the slide.
--Gr3gory (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
I agree about it being a G19 - In addition to the above note, the grip itself and and slide both seem a bit short for a G17. StanTheMan (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
It's supposed to be a Glock 23. I'd link to the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, but it doesn't seem to want to let me. “Paul transitioned from Sig 226s and Glock 22s to a S&W 1911 E-series for his carry piece, fitted with Crimson Trace’s excellent laser grips,” said DeLouche. “Though he also uses a Sig (taken from a bad guy), he carries a backup Glock 23 in a chest rig, and a Glock 18 in a drop-leg. For the final battle we see him prep an LMT custom AR .308, and an H&K MP5K."--Goondocks (talk) 11:44, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
I read that article also and all it did was raise some questions re the Glocks. Why mix calibers( .40 and 9mm) for the same actor in the same scene, and why use a holstered Full auto Glock 18 with a standard 17 round mag instead of the 33 round happy stick that will let viewers know " Ah hah, he's got a machine gun" ?
Other than shoving the tan Glock into his chest holster, there wasn't any real exposition of weapons prep for Walker. All that really.happened with his Glocks was the tan one got knocked out of his hands. Perhaps there is such footage that was deleted and the quotes in the article were made before editing was finished.--Tecolote (talk) 14:51, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
I finally got around to adding the specific weapons mentioned in Range365.com (nobody did it after three years :P). Didn't include the CZ Scorpion mentioned in one of the sections below, since it doesn't seem to be visible in the film. Regarding the Glock 22, I don't recall seeing Paul Walker wielding any Glock other than the 23 and the 18. However, in the bus fight, he attempts to disarm Tony Jaa's character, who was holding a full sized Glock currently listed as a 17 in the page (Walker doesn't grab the pistol, though). Perhaps they were referring to this pistol when mentioning the Glock 22? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
First of all, the "CZ Scorpion" is the Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion that Deckard uses, second of all, just because the armorer says Paul Walker uses a Glock 18 and a Glock 23 doesn't mean they are, and sometimes armorers can misidentify guns, and the converted 17s are mostly used to stand in for the 18s (who uses a Glock 18 with a 17 round mag?) and the 19s mostly used to stand in for the 23s because the 19s are easier and I think cheaper to convert to blank fire same with the 17s, third of all, the SW1911 used by Paul is not a E-Series due to not having scale-like slide serrations because I was once going through frame by frame before he was disarmed by Tony Jaa when they were fighting the first time on the bus, could just be a modified SW1911 due to the ambidextrous safety & rail, last of all, now the Glock 22 mentioned in the article, I think it was referring to the one in Fast & Furious where he was working as an FBI agent, even though the "22" doesn't appear as the gun he was using, just wanted to get that off of my chest, I could be wrong about a thing or two that I said.
I initially thought that they were talking about the CZ Scorpion Evo 3, due to the way they they spelled it. However, while I'm not sure about the 1911, I think you're overthinking a bit regarding the "they misidentified the Glocks" part. It's one thing if an armorer called an AK-based weapon a generic "AK-47" when it's a Type 56 or a WASR, but it's another when they state specific models like the Glock 22 and 23. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't simply say Glock 17 and 19 if they were truly the models used. As for the "Glock 18 with a 17 round mag" part, you have it in some movies such as Exit Wounds and Revolver (2005), plus having it holstered with an extended 33-round magazine would be cumbersome. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 12:57, 2 October 2018 (EDT)
Sometimes armorers can get guns mixed up and identify a gun wrong and I also did the frame by frame on the Glock 19/23 mag when Brian was loading up and I still don't know the brass rounds in the mag either the 9mm or the .40 S&W brass bullets, the 1911 has the S&W markings and front slant slide serrations while I did the frame by frame thing on it, I rather just leave the entries the way it is for now until further notice.
Well, in the event that you see actual 9mm brass bullets in the magazines shown in the movie, fair enough; but until then, there's no use in assuming that they misidentified it. Just because some armorers can get guns mixed up doesn't necessarily mean it's the case here; if they say that a Glock 18 and a 23 were used, then it only makes sense to ID them as such, since there's nothing significant to prove otherwise. I mean, if we go by the logic of not listing a pistol as G22/G23 because "it's easier to have G17 and G19", we would end up replacing almost all non-9mm Glock IDs by 9mm Glock IDs on the IMFDB movie pages. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:19, 3 October 2018 (EDT)
...and honestly I'm not 100% sure. It does probably look like a .40 S&W, but the motion blur is really tricky. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 15:01, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
Weapons
So I added the stuff I can remember. Couple things:
1.Hobbs and Eleana use SiG P226s during the fight with Deckard, as does Ket on the bus, right?
2.What were Frank Petty/"Mr. Nobody"'s men using? I know they were some heavily tricked-out AR-15 things, but any ideas?
3. When Dekard party-crashes the Ab Dhubai heist, does he have a SG 552, SG 553, or the P556 carbine thing?
4. Any idea what Kiet's team were using while fighting Brian in the finale?
5. MAG 58 or M240 in the Land Rovers?--Mandolin (talk) 18:03, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
I'd say Deckard uses a SG 553-1 SP (image here), though I can't confirm it 100%. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:02, 20 April 2015 (EDT)
I might be wrong but it looked more like and XD was used by the rock, also does anyone have any idea what kurt russel uses in the shootout at shaw's hideout, i was thinking p230 but they're pretty hard to see so I can't be sure.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 00:45, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
Also what is the AR that brian uses during the same shootout?--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 00:46, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
I though Kurt Russel had PPKs, but SiG P230s are possible. Probably gona need to wait for the DVD to be sure--Mandolin (talk) 21:35, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
Hobbs was using a Springfield XD in the fight at the DSS Building--ZombieKiller (talk) 04:22, 11 July 2015 (EDT)
Any idea what kind of shotguns were being used by the prison guards at the end of the movie? The ones carried by the guards escorting Statham seem to have underslung pistols/tasers. Mossberg 590? Mossberg X-12 LLS XREP? --Goondocks (talk) 10:17, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
I just noticed that the M240 on the main page was changed from the FN-MAG to the M240B. Wouldn't it be an M240D because of the spade grips?--Goondocks (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
I'm not sure... the one shown in the first and third screecap has an M240B's heatshield, while the second one lacks it. They both have a lower RIS handguard, though. That would be the case for an M240H, but nevermind on this one, since it has a different flash suppressor. Any ideas about the ID? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2018 (EDT)
Redirect Needed?
Could someone add a redirect to this page from "Fast & Furious 7"? That is the film's release title here in the UK. The other F&F film pages all have redirects from their international titles (e.g. Fast & Furious 6 has a redirect from Furious 6, its title in the UK) so I don't see why this one shouldn't follow suit. I'd do it myself but I honestly can't work out how to create a new page on here.--Leigh Burne (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
I created it, but in the future, all you have to do is type the title in the search box, and if it doesn't already exist, it'll show up as a red link and the page asks if you want to create the page. To do a redirect, type in #REDIRECT[[<destination>]]. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:53, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
Thanks! I know how to create redirects, I just couldn't figure out how to make a new page on which to put it; the wikis I usually edit simply have a create page button, but I couldn't find one here. Never mind anyway, noted for the future.--Leigh Burne (talk) 09:00, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
If you click on one of the category tabs on the sidebar menu you will find a text field to fill in with a create page button. It doesn't actually matter which category you do this through so can just click any. --commando552 (talk) 05:13, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
SIG SG 552-2
The rifle that Stathem is holding in Dubai has an AR-15 magazine inserted so it can't be a 552 Excalibur01 (talk) 23:54, 1 August 2015 (EDT)
Closest match that I can think of is a SIG556 SWAT SBR, but the handguard is different so it may have started off as something else which has been customised into a similar finished product. --commando552 (talk) 04:13, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
From the article titled Guns of Hollywood: The Firepower of "Furious 7" at Range365.com, a quote from prop master Guillaume DeLouche: “All of Jason Statham’s stuff was new and fun. It had to be very exotic and have a European terrorist flair, like those groups in the 80s his character would have hunted down, so we gave him an Accuracy International Sniper Rifle that we made into a takedown, a CZ Scorpion, an IMI Micro UZI, and a SIG 556 Commando with grenade launcher,” said DeLouche. “In his lair, as he prepares, you see an even more impressive array of weapons.” These include a Serbu Super Shorty, a SIG P228, an HK MP5 K, and a suppressed Ruger MKII."--Goondocks (talk) 10:09, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
So let's rename it to the 556. Excalibur01 (talk) 10:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)
Deckard's SIG P226
I can't tell if my eyes are playing tricks on me or if the P226 that Shaw uses is always a P226R? It appears to have a rail under the P226 section, but I can't tell for certain. Bristow8411 (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2015 (EDT)
Although the rail's three spacing slots are not visible in this shot, this P226 apparently has a rail's sliding surface, so I think you're right. Also, I wonder what's the submachine gun carried by the operative choked by Dominic when meeting with Mr. Nobody for the first time; at first it seemed to me to be a Brügger & Thomet TP9, but apparently it isn't. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:27, 19 September 2015 (EDT)
I just noticed that the grip panel is taller, thanks to Ben41's better screencap. Coupled with the rail's sliding surface, this confirms that it's always a P226R. I'll change it on the page. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 11:38, 29 September 2015 (EDT)
Hi, I'm new here. I noticed that the submachine gun used by Mr. Nobody's operative wasn't on the page either, and I initially thought it was a Brugger & Thomet MP9, but now I'm not so sure.--Goondocks (talk) 09:02, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
Brian's P226R & Others
I know that Brian uses a P226R, which the movie kind of makes look like he takes off of one of Tony Jaa's men in the bus. The other men on the bus that Brian shoots with his P226R look to be carrying Glock 19s or 17s (I'm leaning towards 19). The main page incorrectly states that Tony Jaa picks up Brian's P226R before the bus flips, but going frame by frame, it looks like he picks up the Glock the first guy Brian shoots was using. Also, there are no entries for any of the guns carried by the guards at Mando's estate. One looks like an AR-15 variant(possibly an HK33?), another looks to be an UZI, and another looks to be an AKM. There's also an unidentified shotgun used by at least one of Mr. Nobody's men during the factory raid. I also can't figure out the pistol Tony Jaa uses during the raid when he does a flip and shoots one of the operatives. The main page says that Jakande uses an AKMS, but I'm not sure if that's what he's using in the raid when he shoots Sheppard. Can anyone confirm? And if anyone has any info about the guns Brian and Tej use to fire the explosives that latch onto the bus, even if they are made for movie, please let me know! Thanks!--Goondocks (talk) 09:14, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
The page is updated with the launchers used by Brian and Tej. --Ben41 (talk) 18:10, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
Awesome. Never seen those launchers before. Thanks!--Goondocks (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
Nicely done on the new additions. Now that we're saying Brian uses a Springfield Armory TRP as his personal sidearm (he draws it from his holster before Kiet disarms him), the write-ups for the Glock 19 (Glock 23) and the P226R need to be re-written.--Goondocks (talk) 10:07, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
MP5K with PDW stock
Is this gun ever shown firing? It is missing the paddle magazine release which means that it is either a replica of some sort which has this part omitted, it has been broken off, or it is a partially converted SP89. --commando552 (talk) 18:36, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
Statham's MP5K in the extended cut is not shown firing, but the one used by Paul Walker near the end is. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:32, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
So we're good to change this section to an SP89 converted to full-auto? (it has an S-E-F trigger group) --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 09:25, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
I don't think it is a SP89, it could be a replica or broken MP5K because the receivers don't match.
Doesn't mean it isn't one; from what I see here, you can have an SEF trigger group on a converted SP89 (this includes the triangular stuff on the receiver and the like). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:22, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
It is easier to get an SP89 to have what appears to be an SEF trigger housing than to give one a paddle release. The trigger housings can be cut at the front to allow for the semi-shelf and have a fake pin epoxied in place and it will just fit straight onto the normal SP89 receiver. To fit a paddle release I believe that you actually have to do some machining on the receiver itself, and it has to be done in a specific way to comply with BATFE regs. --commando552 (talk) 12:03, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
That thing about the abscense of the paddle mag release confuses me. I was watching a forgotten weapons video about the very first US imported CETME rifles which still had the paddle release. If i remember correctly Ian said that they later removed it just to make the rifle more different than the select fire ones, but that they didn't actually have to do it.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:33, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
I cant find a FW video about early CETMEs, but there is one about the first G3 that was imported which had a paddle release. To quote "with each batch of imports they had to do more and more to differentiate these guns from the actual military rifles", so I believe that they did have to modify the receiver to make fitting a full auto trigger pack more difficult. It is true that they didn't have to remove the paddle release, however the solution that they chose to solve the trigger pack issue made keeping the original paddle release design impossible, so they would either have to invent a new magazine release just for the sporters, or assume that people can just cope with the push button which is what they chose to do. There are ways of fitting a paddle release these days, however I believe that it is illegal to drill out a pin hole in the receiver (thus also allowing a normal trigger pack to be fitted) which is why solutions have to be a bit of a work around. --commando552 (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
It was that G3 video, confused the names there.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
Now back to the topic; if there's no objection, I'll make the change on the page in a while to list the SP89 (this apparently goes for the SMGs of Mr. Nobody's operatives too). Rather weird that they had to go for the faux version in such a movie, but anyway. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
Sheppard
Regarding the rifle(s) used by Sheppard (John Brotherton), does he actually uses an HK416 when the team storms Shaw's hideout? And I wonder if he carries the same weapon when facing Dom for the first time (as seen in this screencap; Sheppard is the third operative from the left, with his P226 drawn). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:04, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
Nevermind, it's sorted, I guess he always uses one. --Ultimate94ninja (talk)
Paul Walker?
I can admit that im not very up to date with this franchise, but how can Paul Walker be in this movie if he died in real life 2 years ago? Was it made before his death or am i missing something?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
He died after they were mostly done. They delayed the film's release partially out of respect for his death, and partially to allow some new scenes to be shot. Walker's brother (brothers?) filled in for him, and they used some CGI as well IIRC.--Mandolin (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2015 (EDT)
Mandolin is right. Similar to Oliver Reed dying during the filming of Gladiator, the film was mostly complete, and they managed to use stand-ins and CGI along with a modified storyline to complete enough footage to finish the movie.--Leigh Burne (talk) 04:06, 7 October 2015 (EDT)
What's the gun flying at the left? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 10:57, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
looks like the stock is one of those MP5 collapsible stocks, but the gun doesn't look like an MP5, maybe an MP7?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 12:02, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
Definitely not an MP7, since the pistol grip is diagonal and not directly attached trigger guard. That's the reason why it can't be either a Mini Uzi (which is the first weapon that came into my mind when I watched this scene, given the rear part). --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
There's also this rifle at Mando's estate. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:13, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
It's a G3, and judging by the slightly suspect looking finish, the cheek riser, bipod (I think), and it not being fired (I assume), my guess would be that it is an airsoft replica of a G3SG/1. --commando552 (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
Thanks m8. Given the fact that the weapon's stock has a cheek rest, should we put it as a G3SG/1 in the page? Not sure if the real one's sniper scope can be removed, or else it could be another G3 variant (such as the MSG90), or an airsoft version like you said. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 05:20, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
Some things i noticed...
So first of on this picture below, the markings on the side of the rifle read "SL8-1" and .223 remington, so is it a SL8 mocked up as a KV? If that's the case, how did it get that select-fire lower?
Secondly, on this image, isn't that an HK416 of some sort? The handguard looks like the 416 type and the rail is slightly higher up than it usually is on an AR, another trait of the 416 (i think). Also, it might be the motion blur, but the bolt looks like the fake ones you find on airsoft ARs.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2016 (EST)
Firstly, the rifle in that first image is deffinitely a modified SL8-1. The markings are the most obvious difference, but the rear of the receiver where the stock attaches is also different if you compare it to a real G36. As for how you make this gun, you just put a select fire trigger pack on it to get the markings. This doesn't actually give you select fire though, it just gets you the markings. You also cannot use the G36 selector switch itself and have the use the original SL8 one (which needs to be modified to move the position of the indicator line). Strangely, the other two screenshots show "real" G36s, was the gun ever shown firing? Secondly, the AR is a 10" barrelled HK416, can tell for sure from the gas block. As for the bolt, I think it is a combination of motion blur and the extracting case that gives it that look, the muzzle flash looks like a real one rather than a CG one.--commando552 (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2016 (EST)
As i thought, might be time to fiddle with this page a bit. Thanks for the help bruh--AnActualAK47 (talk) 21:25, 20 December 2016 (EST)
This has apparently been settled, but in case someone wants to check other views of the gun:
It's sorta possible to make out the HK markings on that last image there. Btw, what kind of gear are those operator dudes using? Looks kinda overdesigned.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:20, 21 December 2016 (EST)
